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What's the differences between the two, if any?
I've been contemplating whether or not I should get the GSM version or CDMA. Are there any major differences between the two?
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If you're on sprint, you kind of need to change to Verizon if you want the CDMA version. CDMA also has LTE aka true 4G, so speed will probably be better. VZW also has further reaching 3G coverage than AT&T, generally. On top of this, in my experience VZW's customer service is great, but everyone's mileage varies there.
The GSM version is not "official" for the US - you will have to pay full retail price on one ($600-ish) and sign up with tmobile or att to use it. No carrier subsidy.
Without further information about you, it's hard to say anything more.
I think the op was asking about the hardware spec. CDMA version has bigger battery and twice the storage space.
Does this mean that the Verizon version will not work on at&t? Or have slower speeds?
thanks. I wasn't referring to carrier information, though. I meant as far as hardware and software.
Did android 4.1 come with the Verizon version as promised?
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SocialReject said:
thanks. I wasn't referring to carrier information, though. I meant as far as hardware and software.
Did android 4.1 come with the Verizon version as promised?
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Verizon comes with 4.0.1 with a small update leading it to 4.0.2
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Does this mean that the Verizon version will not work on at&t? Or have slower speeds?
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Yes, verizon version will not work on ATT.
In the US is very simple. Two types of radios: CDMA and GSM.
Verizon and Sprint use CDMA.
ATT and TMO use GSM.
The smaller carriers generally use either CDMA or GSM and piggy back off the larger carrier towers.
Hopefully android devices which have hardware and software capable of using both radios will arrive and it'll become less of an issue, but as of now, the galaxy nexus is either GSM or CDMA, but not both.
Hope that helps!
How about in the UK? Is there only one of these versions? And how do I find what version I have?
UK is gsm
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ZPrimed said:
If you're on sprint, you kind of need to change to Verizon if you want the CDMA version. CDMA also has LTE aka true 4G, so speed will probably be better. VZW also has further reaching 3G coverage than AT&T, generally. On top of this, in my experience VZW's customer service is great, but everyone's mileage varies there.
The GSM version is not "official" for the US - you will have to pay full retail price on one ($600-ish) and sign up with tmobile or att to use it. No carrier subsidy.
Without further information about you, it's hard to say anything more.
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LTE IS NOT true 4G.
There is no True 4G in the US.
Google the definition of 4G.
Hi everybody, I have a verizon Galaxy Nexus I understand it's a CDMA, is there any hardware differences between this and a GSM one? or is only software? will this device work on a GSM network if I flash a GSM Rom on it?
thanks for your help!
jhonyDroid said:
Hi everybody, I have a verizon Galaxy Nexus I understand it's a CDMA, is there any hardware differences between this and a GSM one? or is only software? will this device work on a GSM network if I flash a GSM Rom on it?
thanks for your help!
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Don't even think about flashing a GSM rom on it.
mudferret said:
Don't even think about flashing a GSM rom on it.
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thanks for your answer!
I thought it was some kind of adventurer try to mix roms but can you tell me what would happen by doing this? and, is there any way to get this CDMA phone work on a GSM network?
best regards!
jhonyDroid said:
Hi everybody, I have a verizon Galaxy Nexus I understand it's a CDMA, is there any hardware differences between this and a GSM one? or is only software? will this device work on a GSM network if I flash a GSM Rom on it?
thanks for your help!
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Your CDMA version has a CDMA radio, a LTE radio, and antennas tuned to the correct LTE and CDMA frequencies used by Verizon.
The GSM version has a GSM radio with antenna turned to all common GSM frequencies.
The radios and antenna hardware are completely different in these versions and so by this fact the firmware (the software or flash able 'radio') is 100% different. Flashing the wrong one can cause all kinds of issues from not working until reflashing the correct ones yo bricking your radio (depending on how the firmware is flashed, size differences, etc.)
CDMA and GSM and LTE are all very different. LTE is based off GSM which is why you have a SIM card in LTE (though CDMA can have SIM cards if that is how the company set it up, which also is why without the SIM card you can't use your CDMA parts either).
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jhonyDroid said:
I thought it was some kind of adventurer try to mix roms but can you tell me what would happen by doing this?
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You will destroy your phone. It won't work ever again.
is there any way to get this CDMA phone work on a GSM network?
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No. It's a hardware issue that can't be fixed with software.
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siberslug said:
LTE IS NOT true 4G.
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Sure it is. Just like EDGE is "officially" 3G whenever carriers think it's in their marketing interest to say so. No one owns the term "3G" or "4G" so there's no such thing as "true" or "official". It is certainly marked performance advance over HSPA+, with real world LTE uplink speeds higher than HSPA downlink. It's at least as big of a jump from EDGE to UMTS (200kbps to 600kbps) was.
If you're referring to LTE Advanced, expect that technology to be labelled 5G when it hits the carriers. Why? Why the hell not? It's just a stupid marketing gimmick. Most consumers don't even know what the hell it means, with something like 70% of the population thinking that the iPhone 4/4S has 4G. Mo G's mo money.
Just to go along with what you are saying, the ITU changed it so that the current "4G" techs such as LTE, WIMAX, and HSPA+ are considered 4G.
I am going to switch to T-Mobile in 2 months so was wondering if it will work with T-Mobile's HSPA + Network.
AFAIK It won't, but the frequenceies are listed on both carrier's sites so you can have a look at that.
No.
http://www.androidpolice.com/2011/0...nt-4g-hspa-phone-will-not-be-covered-by-both/
Couldn't we just flash the t-mobile radio like with the t-mobile sgs2 and the skyrocket from at&t?
It should be possible. Check out the specs of the two: http://www.gsmarena.com/compare.php3?idPhone1=4804&idPhone2=4803
This is EXACTLY the same as Tmobile S2 and ATT S2 LTE: http://www.gsmarena.com/compare.php3?idPhone1=4129&idPhone2=4303
Some awesome dev needs to do some radio hacking to make the two phones interchangeable as they did for the S2/S2 LTE.
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No.
http://www.androidpolice.com/2011/0...nt-4g-hspa-phone-will-not-be-covered-by-both/
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that article is over a year old. there are many devices that work on both carriers via 4g. looking at the frequencies on att version it should work with a radio flash.
There's hope then
http://news.cnet.com/8301-1035_3-57460125-94/t-mobiles-pricier-samsung-galaxy-s3-will-not-get-lte/
same hardware in all US S3's so theoretically even a sprint or verizon one can be flashed if its just going to be software limitations
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http://news.cnet.com/8301-1035_3-57460125-94/t-mobiles-pricier-samsung-galaxy-s3-will-not-get-lte/
same hardware in all US S3's so theoretically even a sprint or verizon one can be flashed if its just going to be software limitations
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The CDMA and TDMA versions are different and not compatible. A sprint or Verizon model will not work on GSM networks due to the different protocols used. AFAIK no phone is universally portable amongst US carriers.
Verizon/Sprint/US Cellular phones are 100% different in terms of radio hardware and software.
It is possible the T-Mobile/AT&T ones will likely work together, but why? Also something to consider is the AT&T Note on T-Mobile gets HORRIBLE battery life.
malaeum said:
The CDMA and TDMA versions are different and not compatible. A sprint or Verizon model will not work on GSM networks due to the different protocols used. AFAIK no phone is universally portable amongst US carriers.
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You sure about this? Verizon model will have a sim card and has GSM support. Verizon will probably block T-Mobile and ATT with all of their GSM/devices.
tspx23 said:
You sure about this? Verizon model will have a sim card and has GSM support. Verizon will probably block T-Mobile and ATT with all of their GSM/devices.
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The SIM card is for LTE. The only way to get 3G on a CDMA device would be through CDMA.
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The SIM card is for LTE. The only way to get 3G on a CDMA device would be through CDMA.
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Not exactly true... After a "hack" to my VZW Moto Bionic and dropping in an ATT sim from a demo Galaxy Note, we got working H+ on the Bionic.
Even after hack, the Bionic doesn't appear to support T-Mobile's 1700mhz so I get EDGE only when I use the T-Mo SIM out of my Galaxy S2.
But I wont have a Verizon Galaxy S3 to play with to see how that works.
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Not exactly true... After a "hack" to my VZW Moto Bionic and dropping in an ATT sim from a demo Galaxy Note, we got working H+ on the Bionic.
Even after hack, the Bionic doesn't appear to support T-Mobile's 1700mhz so I get EDGE only when I use the T-Mo SIM out of my Galaxy S2.
But I wont have a Verizon Galaxy S3 to play with to see how that works.
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Interesting, have not heard of that one but I will take your word for it. Either way, most phones do not have AWS bands for T-Mobile unless they are T-Mobile phones.
Assuming the Verizon version has GSM 3G radios in it (what they call a "Global" phone) I don't see why even it could be flashed if someone could get the radio hacked.
For example, my current phone, the Droid 2 Global, normally runs on Verizon's CMDA bands. Being a global phone, it has GSM radios in it which can be activated if you get an unlock code from Verizon (not difficult).
Here's the catch- the baseband locks the phone so that it does not work on AT&T and T-Mobile's frequency bands! However, some clever hackers at TeamBlackHat were able to hack the baseband to allow it to work on US carriers as well.
tl;dr if the CDMA versions have GSM radios it should be feasible to make them work on AT&T and T-Mobile.
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Assuming the Verizon version has GSM 3G radios in it (what they call a "Global" phone) I don't see why even it could be flashed if someone could get the radio hacked.
For example, my current phone, the Droid 2 Global, normally runs on Verizon's CMDA bands. Being a global phone, it has GSM radios in it which can be activated if you get an unlock code from Verizon (not difficult).
Here's the catch- the baseband locks the phone so that it does not work on AT&T and T-Mobile's frequency bands! However, some clever hackers at TeamBlackHat were able to hack the baseband to allow it to work on US carriers as well.
tl;dr if the CDMA versions have GSM radios it should be feasible to make them work on AT&T and T-Mobile.
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So basically, all world phones can literally be made into world phones? Nice!
SaHiLzZ said:
It should be possible. Check out the specs of the two: gsmarena /compare.php3?idPhone1=4804&idPhone2=4803
This is EXACTLY the same as Tmobile S2 and ATT S2 LTE: gsmarena /compare.php3?idPhone1=4129&idPhone2=4303
Some awesome dev needs to do some radio hacking to make the two phones interchangeable as they did for the S2/S2 LTE.
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You raise a really good point.
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Verizon/Sprint/US Cellular phones are 100% different in terms of radio hardware and software.
It is possible the T-Mobile/AT&T ones will likely work together, but why? Also something to consider is the AT&T Note on T-Mobile gets HORRIBLE battery life.
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Does the S2 and S2 LTE (skyrocket) succumb to bad battery life like the note does when their networks are interchanged?
I'm going to be upgrading my phone within a week or two. However, I plan on keeping my Play for gaming purposes. (Mostly emulators and a few other games.) Now my question is, since my Play won't be an active phone anymore, is it safe to flash GSM ROMs? Or will that affect other phone functionality? If data is the only thing that's lost with GSM ROMs then I should be fine right?
EDIT: Woops wrong section, meant to post this in Q and A. Sorry about that! "^_^
I'm about to buy a xperia play as a gaming device, and the cdma versions are much cheaper, so I have the same question. If it's unlocked for GSM, can we pop a sim and use it as a GSM phone with the GSM rom?
Actually, your question isn't the same as mine. And to answer your question, the answer is no. CDMA devices are built to work with CDMA frequencies. You cannot get a GSM SIM and place it in your CDMA device. It just won't function.
You can flash a GSM ROM on a CDMA Phone. You just can't use any phone functions. ie messaging, calling etc.
game_guy said:
Actually, your question isn't the same as mine. And to answer your question, the answer is no. CDMA devices are built to work with CDMA frequencies. You cannot get a GSM SIM and place it in your CDMA device. It just won't function.
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Well, then I had 2 questions. 1 was your question, and then there was the other question. I thought Verizon had gsm in some of there phones, and you could unlock it for world use. It has a sim slot for some reason... The GSM roms are much better, so can we flash them on the CDMA R800x?
DubleJayJ said:
You can flash a GSM ROM on a CDMA Phone. You just can't use any phone functions. ie messaging, calling etc.
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Alright thanks, once I get my new phone, I won't be able to do any of those things anyways.
Pokestory1 said:
Well, then I had 2 questions. 1 was your question, and then there was the other question. I thought Verizon had gsm in some of there phones, and you could unlock it for world use. It has a sim slot for some reason... The GSM roms are much better, so can we flash them on the CDMA R800x?
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Just as JayJ said, you can flash a GSM ROM to a CDMA device, but you'll lose your data functionality. I'm pretty sure Verizon is a CDMA frequency company. Though I may be wrong.
game_guy said:
Alright thanks, once I get my new phone, I won't be able to do any of those things anyways.
Just as JayJ said, you can flash a GSM ROM to a CDMA device, but you'll lose your data functionality. I'm pretty sure Verizon is a CDMA frequency company. Though I may be wrong.
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Checked GSM ARENA and your right. The xperia play CDMA is only a CDMA phone, unlike some phones(example htc trophy) I already have a phone, so this will be a nice wifi only device.
game_guy said:
Alright thanks, once I get my new phone, I won't be able to do any of those things anyways.
Just as JayJ said, you can flash a GSM ROM to a CDMA device, but you'll lose your data functionality. I'm pretty sure Verizon is a CDMA frequency company. Though I may be wrong.
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It is. Verizon, CDMA. AT&T Sprint and T-Mobile are GSM( not surre about Sprint. Something with an S is CDMA also.
DubleJayJ said:
It is. Verizon, CDMA. AT&T Sprint and T-Mobile are GSM( not surre about Sprint. Something with an S is CDMA also.
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Sprint is also CDMA.
To clear some stuff up. Yes, the R800x does have a sim slot. BUT it is not hooked up & our phones are hard coded for CDMA.
PS. Thread moved to Q&A
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Will wifi still work if you flash a gsm rom to a cdma phone? I assume it will since wifi seems to be a kernel issue and I'd keep the cdma kernel but I'm afraid.
I also don't use the phone on a carrier network.
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Will wifi still work if you flash a gsm rom to a cdma phone? I assume it will since wifi seems to be a kernel issue and I'd keep the cdma kernel but I'm afraid.
I also don't use the phone on a carrier network.
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If you install a gsm kernel on a cdma rom you will get stuck in a bootloop. But if use a cdma kernel on a gsm rom you will get stuck with a blackscreen.
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guies Is it possible to make GS3 to run on CDMA network as some guies in this forum could hack the Verizon GS3 and have made it able to run on GSM network?
has any one tried before? if any one have an idea we can share the info in order to do that so. If you can notice once you use this code *#*#4636#*#* you can find CDMA only and other types of CDMA there and I heard that S GS3 has the ability to run both CDMA and GSM.
Let's give it a try
CDMA is an actual built in internal radio. Not every GS3 has it, only the CDMA ones do (Sprint and Verizon). They are global phones, and by that means, its only for GSM networks. I can't make a solely strict AT&T made phone, into a Verizon CDMA phone. That's all hardware
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iAndropple said:
CDMA is an actual built in internal radio. Not every GS3 has it, only the CDMA ones do (Sprint and Verizon). They are global phones, and by that means, its only for GSM networks. I can't make a solely strict AT&T made phone, into a Verizon CDMA phone. That's all hardware
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But then all US GS3's share the same hardware or SOC's...so by this running a T999 on the CDMA network should be possible. But then why would you? Tmobile already offers the best plans covering the best network out of all the others?
All personal opinion on the last part
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could you do a favor for me? just give me a software that can amend the radio band as I hardly want to try. From what I understood through reading some info in some forums, Galaxy S3 not like the older phones and it can run both GSM and CDMA and I hope that's right. I just need some help to try this in my international GS3. Let's try we are not going to lose any thing..........
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could you do a favor for me? just give me a software that can amend the radio band as I hardly want to try. From what I understood through reading some info in some forums, Galaxy S3 not like the older phones and it can run both GSM and CDMA and I hope that's right. I just need some help to try this in my international GS3. Let's try we are not going to lose any thing..........
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See now thats where you lose it. The international GS3 has a totally different SOC than the US variants, therefore you will not be able to run for any US CDMA network. You can flash any radio you want...but that's only if you want a $700 paperweight ofcourse
The us variants are WCDMA or CDMA 2000 as I want to try it in my country where the type is CDMA 2000?
so you mean if I flashed a radio that is not compatible with my GS3 it will damage it???? is there any app that can control the radio without out a risk???
have you had a look to this thread Set up Verizon Galaxy S3 as World GSM Phone (confirmed working) http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1809314 I mean a way like this or similar to it???
babymatteo said:
But then all US GS3's share the same hardware or SOC's...so by this running a T999 on the CDMA network should be possible. But then why would you? Tmobile already offers the best plans covering the best network out of all the others?
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No they don't. The T-999 uses an MSM8260a chip, for one. There is no CDMA hardware in the GSM versions.
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suhailstar said:
The us variants are WCDMA or CDMA 2000 as I want to try it in my country where the type is CDMA 2000?
so you mean if I flashed a radio that is not compatible with my GS3 it will damage it???? is there any app that can control the radio without out a risk???
have you had a look to this thread Set up Verizon Galaxy S3 as World GSM Phone (confirmed working) http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1809314 I mean a way like this or similar to it???
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No. An international S3 is completely different from a US GSM S3. Neither has CDMA hardware in them. At all.
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No they don't. The T-999 uses an MSM8260a chip, for one.
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I thought all US S3's had the Q MSM8960?
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I thought all US S3's had the Q MSM8960?
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The T-999 uses an MSM8260a which is for all intents and purposes, an MSM8960 without LTE.
babymatteo said:
I thought all US S3's had the Q MSM8960?
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I think only ATT/VERIZON/SPRINT/USCC use MSM8960. T-mobile lacks LTE and went with MSM8260a.
So only the ATT GS3 SGH-I747 would possibly be capable of running on CDMA. The international i9300 would not work on CDMA no matter what.
It MAY be possible to make the Verizon SCH-i535/USCC SCH-R530U version work on both CDMA/GSM. Currently the CDMA i535 works on CDMA 800/1900, international gsm/wcdma 850/900/1800/1900 and domestic gsm 850/1900 but no HSPA+ yet.
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only the SCH-R530U, SCH-I535 and SGH-I747 versions are possible candidates of doing both full gsm and cdma.
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The T-999 uses an MSM8260a which is for all intents and purposes, an MSM8960 without LTE.
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Can you point me to the right direction? Because everywhere i look it says that the T999 does indeed have the MSM8960
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Can you point me to the right direction? Because everywhere i look it says that the T999 does indeed have the MSM8960
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=30631797&postcount=3
the pdf he links has some good info. seems the SCH-R530U, SCH-I535 and SGH-I747 versions all support both cdma/evdo and 850/900/1800/1900 GSM/WCDMA
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I think only ATT/VERIZON/SPRINT/USCC use MSM8960. T-mobile lacks LTE and went with MSM8260a.
So only the ATT GS3 SGH-I747 would possibly be capable of running on CDMA. The international i9300 would not work on CDMA no matter what.
It MAY be possible to make the Verizon SCH-i535/USCC SCH-R530U version work on both CDMA/GSM. Currently the CDMA i535 works on CDMA 800/1900, international gsm/wcdma 850/900/1800/1900 and domestic gsm 850/1900 but no HSPA+ yet.
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only the SCH-R530U, SCH-I535 and SGH-I747 versions are possible candidates of doing both full gsm and cdma.
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Keep in mind though that CDMA running on 800/1900 and GSM WCDMA running on 800/1900 are not the same thing.
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Keep in mind though that CDMA running on 800/1900 and GSM WCDMA running on 800/1900 are not the same thing.
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indeed.. but if the verizon version can do cdma 800/1900... as well as domestic gsm 850/1900..
and atts version obviously supports all of its own bands... they wouldnt have a different SOC between them both. so it seems its only possible for MSM8960 to support all... yet somehow locking out whats not used by the carrier.
Guys, even if the Verison S3 works on GSM, that doesn't mean T-Mobile's GSM will work on CDMA. It will not.
If car engine X from car A, fits and works decently well in car B, that DOES NOT mean that car engine Y from car B will fit and work on car A.
You can ask the same question ten different ways and you'll still have the same answer; the T999 will and cannot work on CDMA. Yes, the US S3s have the same hardware, EXCEPT radios.
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Guys, even if the Verison S3 works on GSM, that doesn't mean T-Mobile's GSM will work on CDMA. It will not.
If car engine X from car A, fits and works decently well in car B, that DOES NOT mean that car engine Y from car B will fit and work on car A.
You can ask the same question ten different ways and you'll still have the same answer; the T999 will and cannot work on CDMA. Yes, the US S3s have the same hardware, EXCEPT radios.
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We've already accepted this... we're looking at ATT/VZW/USCC only. VZW/USCC will have the best chance of doing both.
guise, what are uscc and vzw? Are those US variants? Currently, l'm looking for the gs3 hardware to make sure it's somehow able to run Cdma. What should i look for in it's hardware ?
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guise, what are uscc and vzw? Are those US variants? Currently, l'm looking for the gs3 hardware to make sure it's somehow able to run Cdma. What should i look for in it's hardware ?
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Yes those are US variants.
have you achieved any progress yet?
Hey everyone, sorry in advance if this was already asked. I did a search and didn't find anything. I'm also sorry if this is the wrong forum.
I have a Galaxy Nexus from Verizon and am absolutely beyond done with them and contact services in general. Can my Verizon GNex work on another carrier? Which carriers will it work on? I know T-Mobile and other GSM carriers are out buy my knowledge of CDMA and if it's a single standard like GSM or if there are different flavors of CDMA is lacking.
Any assistance is greatly appreciated
Any CDMA should do the work, but to get it working it's different to just SIM-unlock your device like in GSM devices, If you're in the US, I believe Verizon and Sprint are the only CDMA compatible carriers.
linkermix said:
Any CDMA should do the work, but to get it working it's different to just SIM-unlock your device like in GSM devices, If you're in the US, I believe Verizon and Sprint are the only CDMA compatible carriers.
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No. Just no.
To get a vzw Gnex on another network you have hack the via chip set
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