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[Q] NFC in the UK

Can we use this to pay for goods in the UK?
if so, what software do we need on the phone. There's a few shops in my town that have a contactless payment machine so I'm wanting to try it out.
any ideas?
Also, can these be used to scan and copy a proximity card for use at work to let me in doors?
I am one of the worst for forgetting my card each day so having my ID on my phone would be useful!

mmace said:
Also, can these be used to scan and copy a proximity card for use at work to let me in doors?
I am one of the worst for forgetting my card each day so having my ID on my phone would be useful!
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this would be fabulous if we could get it to work!

winwiz said:
this would be fabulous if we could get it to work!
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I think Android's implementation of NFC is still missing tag emulation mode, unfortunately.

Chirality said:
I think Android's implementation of NFC is still missing tag emulation mode, unfortunately.
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what if I had access to the security system and any codes etc, would that help?

mmace said:
what if I had access to the security system and any codes etc, would that help?
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I don't think so. Basically Android has the functionality to read/write NFC tags and communicate with NFC devices that expect an active NFC device, but can't communicate with NFC/RFID devices that expect an NFC/RFID tag.

Chirality said:
I don't think so. Basically Android has the functionality to read/write NFC tags and communicate with NFC devices that expect an active NFC device, but can't communicate with NFC/RFID devices that expect an NFC/RFID tag.
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ah, cheers
any way we can make payments then like they can in the US?

Ive got it working in the UK. I flashed the app from here and factory reset, then opened Google wallet with a non-Apps Google account, added a new prepaid card and its all working, paid for a coffee at starbucks this morning in London. Only problem I have now is how to top up my prepaid card. Only US cards are supported.
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My dream is to use it as my Oyster card here in London. Do you think it's gonna happen anytime soon?
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juniorbattle said:
My dream is to use it as my Oyster card here in London. Do you think it's gonna happen anytime soon?
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That would be ballistic, bumbastic, amazing

juniorbattle said:
My dream is to use it as my Oyster card here in London. Do you think it's gonna happen anytime soon?
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I doubt it, because
Chirality said:
Android has the functionality to read/write NFC tags and communicate with NFC devices that expect an active NFC device, but can't communicate with NFC/RFID devices that expect an NFC/RFID tag.
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The simplest way would be to super-glue your Oyster card to the back of the phone. But that would impair other NFC uses.

With Visa and Mastercard support we are meant to get Google Wallet in early 2012. Source

I paid with my Visa PayWave card today at Greggs.....the lady there had absolutely no clue what just happened, she kept telling me to insert my card even though I told her that I've got a contactless card and the payment has already been authorized(according to what was displayed on the terminal). She had no idea if that's normal/allowed so she had to ask the store manager. What an embarrassment. I can only imagine what would have happened if I tried to pay with my phone - panic in the shop? It would take me 5 minutes to explain what I did. It's nice to see contactless payments being accepted in more and more places, but in most cases the staff has no idea what is going on. I even had it in McDonald's once.

gambiting said:
I paid with my Visa PayWave card today at Greggs.....the lady there had absolutely no clue what just happened, she kept telling me to insert my card even though I told her that I've got a contactless card and the payment has already been authorized(according to what was displayed on the terminal). She had no idea if that's normal/allowed so she had to ask the store manager. What an embarrassment. I can only imagine what would have happened if I tried to pay with my phone - panic in the shop? It would take me 5 minutes to explain what I did. It's nice to see contactless payments being accepted in more and more places, but in most cases the staff has no idea what is going on. I even had it in McDonald's once.
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Maybe I'm strange but I'm quite looking forward to that

gambiting said:
I paid with my Visa PayWave card today at Greggs.....the lady there had absolutely no clue what just happened, she kept telling me to insert my card even though I told her that I've got a contactless card and the payment has already been authorized(according to what was displayed on the terminal). She had no idea if that's normal/allowed so she had to ask the store manager. What an embarrassment. I can only imagine what would have happened if I tried to pay with my phone - panic in the shop? It would take me 5 minutes to explain what I did. It's nice to see contactless payments being accepted in more and more places, but in most cases the staff has no idea what is going on. I even had it in McDonald's once.
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They would probably think you hacked the payment system or something if you used your phone.

omg call the police. hax0r!

Anyone link it with their Barclay card, or is that even possible?
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Sinbad_NI said:
Anyone link it with their Barclay card, or is that even possible?
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I've been trying.
The registration page in My Barclaycard asks for phone number and SIM serial number. It expects a SIM serial number that is 19 digits. The number written on my T-Mobile SIM is 12 digits. I contacted T-Mobile and they gave me my full serial number - 20 digits. So now it is too long. The best they could suggest was dropping the last zero. It didn't work. So I still can't link my Barclaycard to a contactless account.
Even if I managed to do any of this, I still wouldn't have the necessary app that comes pre-installed on the Samsung Tocco Quick Tap from Orange. So I wouldn't be able to do anything with the account. Maybe it is possible to port the app from that phone onto the Nexus.
Are all Orange SIM numbers 19 digits? I guess the Barclaycard/Orange Quick Tap thing really does only work with Orange.

Ok, so received an email from the android bug tracker saying that it's going to get resolved in the next software update \o/

It is going to take off here in the UK - but I think I saw it on BBC Click that it will reach widespread use by 2014

madhat73 said:
It is going to take off here in the UK - but I think I saw it on BBC Click that it will reach widespread use by 2014
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I believe the government want it at the very least commonplace throughout London ready for the 2012 Olympics. But I don't have a link for where I read that.

[Q] Google Wallet Topup

Hi there,
i am from the UK. based on all the forums i read about google wallet, there doesn't seems to be anyway we can topup our google wallet prepaid card from abroad.
which i have a question. if you are in the states, where google wallet is officially supported, how do you actually topup the prepaid card?
is it only possible via the google wallet app? do they only accept topping up from a american credit card?
i am thinking whether its possible to some how setup a VPN (not even a proxy), to the US, and topup via it?

I would suggest trying this - http://www.usunlocked.com/how_it_works.php?topic=USUnlockedCard

case0 said:
I would suggest trying this - http://www.usunlocked.com/how_it_works.php?topic=USUnlockedCard
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still doesn't quite answer my question of how to topup into the prepay card google gives. (as we can't add any CCards apart from cards from the US. plus specific banks only i believe).
unless you are trying to tell me, that i can add this virtual debit card into my google wallet app.

case0 said:
I would suggest trying this - http://www.usunlocked.com/how_it_works.php?topic=USUnlockedCard
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That won't work unfortunately.
I'm starting to think that we're stuck until Google officially release the application in the UK. What a shame.
Unless you have a friend/family member in the states who is willing to provide you with all of their card details. I don't have that.

WhiterThanWhite said:
That won't work unfortunately.
I'm starting to think that we're stuck until Google officially release the application in the UK. What a shame.
Unless you have a friend/family member in the states who is willing to provide you with all of their card details. I don't have that.
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Yep, that's what he is saying. Sign up to that service; they give you a US card.
You can then add this US card; to add money into your el Goog wallet

fakker said:
Yep, that's what he is saying. Sign up to that service; they give you a US card.
You can then add this US card; to add money into your el Goog wallet
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They give you a US virtual prepaid card. Google Wallet only takes credit cards for top-up. Besides, I contacted the company and they confirmed that it won't work with Google Wallet.
We're stuck.

WhiterThanWhite said:
They give you a US virtual prepaid card. Google Wallet only takes credit cards for top-up. Besides, I contacted the company and they confirmed that it won't work with Google Wallet.
We're stuck.
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****ty! I didn't realise that. Oh well! Sucks for us (UK/rest of the world).
I remember reading about Google Wallet on Modaco after GN release, and I noticed someone saying every time they reflashed the package they were getting a different ID... wonder if this means another free $10 - could be an nice supply of McDonald's being one of the only places I have seen where you can use it .

fakker said:
****ty! I didn't realise that. Oh well! Sucks for us (UK/rest of the world).
I remember reading about Google Wallet on Modaco after GN release, and I noticed someone saying every time they reflashed the package they were getting a different ID... wonder if this means another free $10 - could be an nice supply of McDonald's being one of the only places I have seen where you can use it .
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I was thinking about that, too. Logging into Google Wallet online shows no record of the $10, maybe that's why?
But I'm not too sure. Not only is it morally questionable, but you'd basically be stealing $10, and the people you're stealing from have your name, phone number, address etc.
But maybe I'll try it later on in the future. I'm sick of constantly being bugged to update to the volume bug fix update, so I might restore to stock, update and then try to reflash Google Wallet.

WhiterThanWhite said:
I was thinking about that, too. Logging into Google Wallet online shows no record of the $10, maybe that's why?
But I'm not too sure. Not only is it morally questionable, but you'd basically be stealing $10, and the people you're stealing from have your name, phone number, address etc.
But maybe I'll try it later on in the future. I'm sick of constantly being bugged to update to the volume bug fix update, so I might restore to stock, update and then try to reflash Google Wallet.
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Hehe, great minds think alike I'm scared to do it too... As Google Wallet will be in UK for the Olympics (maybe before to test it)... they'll catch up with us

I've used up most of my $10 from google already after flashing Wallet onto my phone.
I purchased a USunlocked card and attempted to refill the prepaid card however it did not work.
Every attempt was met with something like: "Funds were not added. Please try again."
I sent an email to Google Wallet support (of which they've recently removed the email contact) and:
1. Ensure that your phone is connected to the CDMA data network or to
Wifi. Check if your Wifi is turned on.
2. Ensure that you are using a credit card (or a signature debit card) to
add funds, not a debit card requiring a PIN.
3. Ensure that your billing address for the credit card you are using to
load funds is in the United States. At this time, the app is unable to
accept P.O. Box addresses.
4. Ensure that you are using the most updated version of Google Wallet.
5. Try to add funds to the Google Prepaid Card again.
If you still experience trouble with this, I recommend contacting Money
Network, the issuer of the Google Prepaid Card. You can reach them at
855-896-0693.
Which was pretty much a canned response. I will however, contact the number and attempt a manual transfer over the phone.
CAN ANY US users check if they can actually refill their hacked/flashed Google Wallet with their own cards?

CanaganD said:
I've used up most of my $10 from google already after flashing Wallet onto my phone.
I purchased a USunlocked card and attempted to refill the prepaid card however it did not work.
Every attempt was met with something like: "Funds were not added. Please try again."
I sent an email to Google Wallet support (of which they've recently removed the email contact) and:
1. Ensure that your phone is connected to the CDMA data network or to
Wifi. Check if your Wifi is turned on.
2. Ensure that you are using a credit card (or a signature debit card) to
add funds, not a debit card requiring a PIN.
3. Ensure that your billing address for the credit card you are using to
load funds is in the United States. At this time, the app is unable to
accept P.O. Box addresses.
4. Ensure that you are using the most updated version of Google Wallet.
5. Try to add funds to the Google Prepaid Card again.
If you still experience trouble with this, I recommend contacting Money
Network, the issuer of the Google Prepaid Card. You can reach them at
855-896-0693.
Which was pretty much a canned response. I will however, contact the number and attempt a manual transfer over the phone.
CAN ANY US users check if they can actually refill their hacked/flashed Google Wallet with their own cards?
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Sorry to hear it didn't work

Wallet topup UK
Having looked at the google help on topping up (found at support_dot_google_dot_com_slash_wallet and selecting the payments link) it is unlikely that UK residents will be able to topup until google launches the wallet in the UK with a card issuer here. The main stopper will be the anti money laundering and know your customer requirements that are particularly tough in the US after 9/11. First off the add funds help says you need a credit card (not a debit or gift card) so even US issued prepaid cards wont work, secondly the billing address will need to be a US billing address, and thirdly you will need a US social security number or birth address in the US, so I think it is a non starter, have fun with the $10.

first off all Im in milan-Italy and untill I have money using google wallet without any problems
So, today I got a paypal credit card from a friend in the US to add funds to google pre paid card
so I fullfill the blacks spaces with me friend details, he lives in LA and I clicked next and after I got a message saying that it didint worke!!!!
why...???????
I then went back and made the procedure once again, and nothing...not working...I changed the amount of money this time...and nothing
and later stopped cause the money was being charged on paypal....!!!!!!
and I still without any money on google wallet.....
am waiting to see if the money was really charged from the paypal account of my friend....
anyone know wats happening??
thanks in advance and any input is appreciated....

test nfc

Hi is there a way to test if the nfc is working? In my country i dont have any paying terminal with it but ive checked that you can scan rfid security tags is this right?
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If you have a Mastercard or Visa, just tap it to the back of your phone.
Your phone will make a noise to say it recognised it.
This also worked with my Perth transit card (i live in Western Australia).

will it work with rfid?

NFC Payements..Paypass/Masterpass?

so i searched around for this and no one seems to have a definite answer...or at least, no one that has possibly used these possibilities has spoken out..
here's my question..mastercard paypass mobile (and now called masterpass)... is it just an app that i'm missing that you can register on an NFC phone and then you're able to use your credit card linked to your profile?
Or will masterpass be that app when it gets release and will only support the banks that are signed on with them? (in Canada, BMO has already signed on)
basically, as a replacement option to google wallet for those (like us in Canada) who can't use wallet..or at least, functionally use it with one of our credit cards
any info is appreciated...
*sorry if this doesn't go in nfc hacking...but it's nfc related since i'm just looking for nfc payment solutions...i hate wallets

Just like Google wallet and Isis by all most of the major US cellular vendors the app is only half of the story. The other half is something that is embedded in the actual phone it self. What is missing is something called the "secure element" so that no one else with out proper access can use it and it cannot be mimicked/copied. The secure element can be anything from an actual chip embedded in the device to a SIM card that has the chip built in. If you have a credit card with the smart chip or that has wave pass or some other NFC option and you have scanned it with your device, heck even the popular skylanders toys there is an area that is secure and no matter what you do you cannot view the data or alter the data, that's an example of a secure element. That's what is missing from your device
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rastlin said:
Just like Google wallet and Isis by all most of the major US cellular vendors the app is only half of the story. The other half is something that is embedded in the actual phone it self. What is missing is something called the "secure element" so that no one else with out proper access can use it and it cannot be mimicked/copied. The secure element can be anything from an actual chip embedded in the device to a SIM card that has the chip built in. If you have a credit card with the smart chip or that has wave pass or some other NFC option and you have scanned it with your device, heck even the popular skylanders toys there is an area that is secure and no matter what you do you cannot view the data or alter the data, that's an example of a secure element. That's what is missing from your device
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I wasn't asking why i can't use google wallet. I could actually use google wallet before they took away their virtual card in October. I can't add any credit card because my billing address is in Canada (not completely true...like most others, i can add my card but the transaction will not go through when i try to use google wallet with that card).
the gist of my question was more along the lines of, is masterpass like google wallet? does it already exist with paypass mobile or is paypass mobile just an internet profile that you can use to pay online and masterpass will absorb it but also be an nfc payment method?
at MWC recently, mastercard mentioned masterpass as an NFC payment solution...so i would imagine that you can use credit cards from banks that are signed on with it as nfc payment...but it is not 100% clear

well, masterpass launched today, and from what i read on mobilesyrup, it looks like nfc payments will not be possible
i hate that we are seriously lacking in an option similar to google wallet
if anyone signed up for masterpass and says it does work through nfc, please let us know...as of now, from any article i've read, it doesn't look like it works...

how to setup NFC?

I try but I faild to adjust NFC, I wanted to use this instead of my Mastercard and to pay my bills in store or general...
Is this possible to use in Serbia and how to setup this?

tze_vitamin said:
I try but I faild to adjust NFC, I wanted to use this instead of my Mastercard and to pay my bills in store or general...
Is this possible to use in Serbia and how to setup this?
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Which version of the phone so you have? Chinese or global?

I have Global with EU rom

tze_vitamin said:
I try but I faild to adjust NFC, I wanted to use this instead of my Mastercard and to pay my bills in store or general...
Is this possible to use in Serbia and how to setup this?
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i set it up for my visa card in germany. works flawlessly. didn't try to pay yet, but everything is configured in googlepay.
but: your bank has to support it (ING in germany does: www.ing.de ).

astrakid said:
i set it up for my visa card in germany. works flawlessly. didn't try to pay yet, but everything is configured in googlepay.
but: your bank has to support it (ING in germany does: www.ing.de ).
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I just call my bank, doesn't support it yet. Erste bank.. but others bank have it.. I will see if I change it..

Btw, can the nfc system on this phone read/write nxp mifare classic cards?

Elusivo said:
Btw, can the nfc system on this phone read/write nxp mifare classic cards?
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nah, mifare classic cards need specialised hardware to read them unfortunately

Elusivo said:
Btw, can the nfc system on this phone read/write nxp mifare classic cards?
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This phone supports mifare classic. It has nxp pn553 chip if I'm not mistaken, and I can read classic cards with Nxp TagInfo and MCT without any problem.
Edit: Checked it again and it seems that nfc gives errors quite often while interacting with mfclassic cards. Not sure what causes this, though.

SkRiMiX said:
This phone supports mifare classic. It has nxp pn553 chip if I'm not mistaken, and I can read classic cards with Nxp TagInfo and MCT without any problem.
Edit: Checked it again and it seems that nfc gives errors quite often while interacting with mfclassic cards. Not sure what causes this, though.
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Thanks for checking, and indeed looking up np553 specs says it is suposed to read mifare classic, i'm hoping those errors can be fixed with new rom updates or somethin...
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tze_vitamin said:
I just call my bank, doesn't support it yet. Erste bank.. but others bank have it.. I will see if I change it..
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There is another workaround if your bank doesn't support, you can link your bank account to PayPal and give your PayPal credentials in Google pay.
Enable your NFC and in the secure element position settings use HEC wallet instead of Sim

rooting4ever said:
There is another workaround if your bank doesn't support, you can link your bank account to PayPal and give your PayPal credentials in Google pay.
Enable your NFC and in the secure element position settings use HEC wallet instead of Sim
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Thanks , this is great and nice to know but.. I live in Serbia.. and PayPal is not working fully, but I definitely try this..