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Window mobile 7 bad in some ways :(

well now that windows mobile 7 is coming out there wont be anything left fot the old phones (softwares -rom develpment - ect...) i was extremely happy when i heard its coming but i was extremly pissed when i found out it will have a diffrent installing system no more cabs . i have a a blue angel (imate pda2k) and this is why i hate the new windows 7
what do u guys think

Im the same mate, seems very iphoney,.......... can see everyone switching to android or buying windows 7 phones and installing 6.5 on them (like people where doing with xp when vista came out)

8 posts and already pissed? And the no cab installation thing is nowhere confirmed so far!

I think the lack of backwards compatability is overblown. It was time for MS to change their entire structure and get back to developing software...which HTC has been doing for them for the last few years. Here's a longer posting I did on it earlier: http://www.mobilitydigest.com/windows-phone-7-is-leap-forward/

Windows Embedded CE 6.0 features a completely redesigned kernel, which supports over 32,768 processes, up from 32 process support of the previous versions. Each process receives 2GB of virtual address space, up from 32MB.

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Windows Embedded CE 6.0 features a completely redesigned kernel, which supports over 32,768 processes, up from 32 process support of the previous versions. Each process receives 2GB of virtual address space, up from 32MB.
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So what? It doesn't matter one bit how many trillions of processes the OS supports, when third party developers are not allowed to make their applications run in the background!

The way things are going with Windows Mobile 7, I can't see it lasting as a platform.
I understand why Microsoft wants to do this. The real money is in the marketplace, like how Apple is doing it. The problem is, the iPhone is a success not just for it's features or UI, but because it's an Apple product.
For example, there's been way better players then iPod, but people bought it for the status symbol it gives. Just like the iPhone.
If Windows Phone 7 isn't as open as Windows Mobile 6.5, then my next phone will certainly be based on Android. I expect a lot of other people to make that decision as well.
You can't expect iPhone or Windows Phone 7 to succeed? No Flash support, not allowing emulators, and complete control of what software you can install.

Dont panic guys, we still dont know much about the application side of WP7 ... Wait till next month March 15 for the MIX10.
Me personally, I dont mind "rebooting" myself to use WP7 new OS and app scheme.
I have no problem with semi-multitasking or no-cab as long as it could get the job done and has tons of very good useful applications.
Android is nice, but being in Europe, I feel pain to not having Nexus ... to not having Google Voice ... I feel not complete. I know, I will get that eventually (Nexus, but dont know about Google Voice), but if I have to wait, then it would be long due before I got WP7.
Yes true, we also dont know if there are some US specific services for WP7, I hope not.
Apple? No, I dont like it ... it is too common nowadays ... I am Windows and Linux user
Dukenukemx said:
The way things are going with Windows Mobile 7, I can't see it lasting as a platform.
I understand why Microsoft wants to do this. The real money is in the marketplace, like how Apple is doing it. The problem is, the iPhone is a success not just for it's features or UI, but because it's an Apple product.
For example, there's been way better players then iPod, but people bought it for the status symbol it gives. Just like the iPhone.
If Windows Phone 7 isn't as open as Windows Mobile 6.5, then my next phone will certainly be based on Android. I expect a lot of other people to make that decision as well.
You can't expect iPhone or Windows Phone 7 to succeed? No Flash support, not allowing emulators, and complete control of what software you can install.
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I am also afraid that Microsoft will take away to many of our beloved freedoms (open for everybody to write programs, multi-tasking, customizing...). I have always looked at WM as a pocket computer rather then a simple smartphone. I fear this will not be the case with Windows Phone 7. There are just too many things threatening the mentioned freedom.
For example the leaked documents state that to use full multi-tasking you will have to let Microsoft approve your program. Given the history of MS I dont think they are going to approve anything without charging a fee. And why would someone even think that any of the many developers that have contributed freeware for Windows Mobile will be willing to pay for beeing allowed to use certain features of Windows Phone for their programs?
But sure we dont know everything yet. Lets just hope that future unveilings will bring some positive facts to daylight.

Well in those leaked docs, it looks like you'll only be able to install apps through the marketplace. I can understand how that will help developers and their security.
But if those developers are still charging ~$14.00 for programs, then that makes it totally pointless. I will not dish out that kind of money for a game that will finish in one sitting. No matter how great it is.
If they implement this, I hope they think it through. 0.99c releases, and if they allow cab installation (which I do hope), then downloading the cab from developers website would could cost the normal ~$14.00 instead, because it's a fact that it will be broadcast everywhere.
Marketplace is way too overpriced. Fix that, and you'll have a winner.

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So what? It doesn't matter one bit how many trillions of processes the OS supports, when third party developers are not allowed to make their applications run in the background!
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a completely redesigned kernel

i dont get it ..
i dont understand what the problem is.. WinMo7 will be great for microsoft..
if everyone thinks multitasking and the ability to install cabs are so important.. iphones wouldnt be as popular.. and NOT everyone buys an iphone for the STATUS symbol.. it's popular because it has a lot of useful APPs.. and the UI is logical and useful.. unlike the current WinMo 6.5
I am currently using a diamond 2 and if WinMo doesnt have all these non finger friendly feathers i wouldnt have to tweak it. So i dont see such a major issue with WinMo7 not being as customizable, because if it's functional it will be FINE.
Another issue i see people having is not being able to multitask.. it's not like there isnt any at all... and plus what type of multitasking are you doing on your phone anyways...? it's not a computer, as long as you can listen to music when your doing other things isnt that fine..? and plus if i were to choose between UI speed to multitasking .. SPEED would win in a land slide... it's no use to have multitasking ability when your phone isnt moving...
i think the general population will welcome this change in WinMo7. It will be finger friendly, have more useful apps, and better UI.. this alone will win back the most important sector to microsoft.. which is the GENERAL public...

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i dont understand what the problem is.. WinMo7 will be great for microsoft..
if everyone thinks multitasking and the ability to install cabs are so important.. iphones wouldnt be as popular.. and NOT everyone buys an iphone for the STATUS symbol.. it's popular because it has a lot of useful APPs.. and the UI is logical and useful.. unlike the current WinMo 6.5
I am currently using a diamond 2 and if WinMo doesnt have all these non finger friendly feathers i wouldnt have to tweak it. So i dont see such a major issue with WinMo7 not being as customizable, because if it's functional it will be FINE.
Another issue i see people having is not being able to multitask.. it's not like there isnt any at all... and plus what type of multitasking are you doing on your phone anyways...? it's not a computer, as long as you can listen to music when your doing other things isnt that fine..? and plus if i were to choose between UI speed to multitasking .. SPEED would win in a land slide... it's no use to have multitasking ability when your phone isnt moving...
i think the general population will welcome this change in WinMo7. It will be finger friendly, have more useful apps, and better UI.. this alone will win back the most important sector to microsoft.. which is the GENERAL public...
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the only thing that i want is: porting wp 7 or android 2.xx to touch pro.

skg22086 said:
i dont understand what the problem is.. WinMo7 will be great for microsoft..
if everyone thinks multitasking and the ability to install cabs are so important.. iphones wouldnt be as popular.. and NOT everyone buys an iphone for the STATUS symbol.. it's popular because it has a lot of useful APPs.. and the UI is logical and useful.. unlike the current WinMo 6.5
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See this is part of the problem here, most of the iPhone users got it for a few reasons like because they wanted a smart phone but, didn't know better, it's a cool looking apple product or their friend has or talked about one. The iPhone had coolness factor, so that is why people grabbed them. A good chunk(most) didn't have a clue about a smartphone. I am diehard WM but, I'll admit the iPhone has some coolness factor and features I have been dreaming about for WM for a long time....
Now we move to Windows Mobile, there is tons of people who have these phones, why ? Because we can do what we want with them, tons of 3rd party apps, we can install them as we want to, on our time, taking after the model of a Windows PC. It allows us to make them our phones, not what the provider gives you and you have to deal with it.
The MarketPlace was a great idea and WM has needed it for a while. It also needs a way to manually install apps, like WM has always done to make everyone happy. It wants to hit the user market and the corporate market, it will need both. This will make both people happy, the people like us, who want to play, do what we want and the people who want a easy to use phone with the marketplace to get all there apps.
In this model, if the marketplace is kept up (always getting new apps), a newbie user would NEVER have to even install a cab for the entire time of owning a phone. This will allow a developer to be able to sell an app on media or on their own website for users to download and install as well as the marketplace.
skg22086 said:
i think the general population will welcome this change in WinMo7. It will be finger friendly, have more useful apps, and better UI.. this alone will win back the most important sector to microsoft.. which is the GENERAL public...
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Yes, WM needed a major overhaul, no question about it. Most experts think this is it, if they don't make it with the next version, they should get out of the game. The finger friendly thing is HUGE now, the iPhone showed it and they started some of it in 6.5, something that has been needed for a long time.
They have a good chance with this to bring the public back in, let's see if they can but, lets not abandon the people, like us, who made WM what it is today (we on here and PPG make good % of WM owners).
Time will tell and it will be interesting to see what happens here...I do look forward to the change but, still want it all, like it is now but, a lot better...

Dukenukemx said:
The way things are going with Windows Mobile 7, I can't see it lasting as a platform.
I understand why Microsoft wants to do this. The real money is in the marketplace, like how Apple is doing it. The problem is, the iPhone is a success not just for it's features or UI, but because it's an Apple product.
For example, there's been way better players then iPod, but people bought it for the status symbol it gives. Just like the iPhone.
If Windows Phone 7 isn't as open as Windows Mobile 6.5, then my next phone will certainly be based on Android. I expect a lot of other people to make that decision as well.
You can't expect iPhone or Windows Phone 7 to succeed? No Flash support, not allowing emulators, and complete control of what software you can install.
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Except the iPhone is already a success! I think Windows Phone 7 takes the best of the iPhone and the best from Windows Mobile.
You don't seriously think Microsoft should have left Windows Mobile in the same path as 6.5 do you? or even Photon? It would have left Microsoft stagnant with the same marketshare at best.
Remember, the iPhone hasn't stolen from Windows Mobile (its market has actually stayed the same to a slight growth) but the iPhone has brought so many more people into the smartphone market.
It also amusing that you judge so quickly when nothing has been said about development except for leaked documents that do infer multitasking. Perhaps you can spread more judgement after MIX next month.

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Windows Mobile, there is tons of people who have these phones
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If this was true, you wouldn't be saying
DavidinCT said:
Yes, WM needed a major overhaul, no question about it. Most experts think this is it, if they don't make it with the next version, they should get out of the game.
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Microsoft's market share was plummeting, yet everyone here on XDA acts like it was all good and now is when it will fail after their "freedom" is removed
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i have a a blue angel (imate pda2k) and this is why i hate the new windows 7
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I don't understand that sentence at all

why microsoft will continue with wm6.5
is they not satisfy for wp7s or the partner ( HTC, SAMSUNG, ...) not like it?
does WP7S made only for microsoft phones? same strategy of iphone?
like they say spain restaurant not have all the data on the net, who have?
i think WP7 not finished yet but they announce it early.

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why microsoft will continue with wm6.5
is they not satisfy for wp7s or the partner ( HTC, SAMSUNG, ...) not like it?
does WP7S made only for microsoft phones? same strategy of iphone?
like they say spain restaurant not have all the data on the net, who have?
i think WP7 not finished yet but they announce it early.
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2 pathes, 6.5 is for business business users (Pure business & no fun) while 7 is for having fun and doing SOME work done.
No iphone strategy (vertical strategy as steve ballmer said) "We sell software to people who make devices".
This is a good time in MWC10 (FEB) to announce WP7 so they can announce the Development tools in MIX10 (MAR) and release the stuff to develop with VS2010 (APR)

jaxouk said:
Im the same mate, seems very iphoney,.......... can see everyone switching to android or buying windows 7 phones and installing 6.5 on them (like people where doing with xp when vista came out)
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I think you need to get over it if Microsoft didn't make this move, Windows Phones would be stuck in the same state they are now: old, retarded, slow and inconsistent.
This change is NEEDED and people like you are the folks that'll hold it back. Buy a new phone.

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If this was true, you wouldn't be saying
Microsoft's market share was plummeting, yet everyone here on XDA acts like it was all good and now is when it will fail after their "freedom" is removed
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WRONG. They needed to make this move. The iPhone hasn't got much freedom and look at the HUGE adoption there.

Boycott Windows Phone 7 Series!

Sign the WP7S boycott.. Unless you like Microsofts interpretation of an iPhone.. Lets reiterate all that M$ cut out..
- No flash support.
- No multitasking.
- No copy paste.
- No removable storage media.
- No other default apps.
- No USB mass storage.
- No sideloading apps (Non App Store).
- No customized UI.
M$ is saying F their current user base, its like they are saying you dummies should have got an iPhone.. I cant get any work done on this, 3D games and slick graphics are cool but not if I have to carry a laptop around with me. Sign this petition if you feel the same way.
http://www.petitionspot.com/petitions/7seriesphoneboycott/

Hold your ground!
We're not given up yeat ))
WinCE is WinCE.. ))) you can patch it a little bit ))
And there WILL BE copy-paste, but it's not implemented in current build.
I would bet, that most of the stuff will be available in some "jailbreak" roms. It's just will be different experience.

yeah i hope you guys boycott so that MS will change alot of that stuff & add it to my new phone i hope you succeed

I was waiting this reaction to Microsoft 'innovation'.
It is the general approach: if more than 50% employer crazy - product fit to it.

man... hold you breath...
1. nothing is official released, so all the pros & cons are speculations - nothing else. OK MS has shown somthing on MIX etc. but no one outside of MS realy now how near the presented system is to the final version!
2. WM7 should be an iphone-killer and an iphone is a device for endcustomers, not for it-pros! thats the reason why there will be a 6.x-version parallel to WM7.
So stay cool and wait for the final version, and when it arrives, you will know if you can live with an end-user-iphone-killer-device or if you will need a pro-user-device - than you have to wait for WM8 which will be a real new implmented OS.
WM7 is a quick reaction to the iphone - nothing else. microsoft has millions of business-customers which are using devices with windows mobile on. and thats the market MS makes money and that are th customers MS has to care about! Don't hype WM7 to much

It is the direction of the so called OS that is bad.
Lock it down! Lock it down!
I want my phone to empower me and give me more. I do not want some company telling me how to do things. I am not a Micro$haft drone.
Wherever you see WP7S you will see the iPhone. iPhone killer etc... It is iPhone younger brother or little sister...
Windows users are not iPhone users.
Microsoft is forcing the user to obay.

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So stay cool and wait for the final version, and when it arrives, you will know if you can live with an end-user-iphone-killer-device or if you will need a pro-user-device - than you have to wait for WM8 which will be a real new implmented OS.
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Regarding this topic a quick search gave me following result:
While current (Windows Mobile 6.1) and next (Windows Mobile 7) versions of Windows Mobile are based on Windows CE, it could be that future Windows Mobile will be based on a completely different platform that Microsoft is cooking – code-named Midori.
Midori is an offshoot of Microsoft Research’s Singularity operating system, the tools and libraries of which are completely managed code. [...]
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This doesn't sound a lot better and is nothing but the next logical step from WP7. Though the news or rumours are from 2008 so noone knows about their reliability...

RAMMANN said:
Regarding this topic a quick search gave me following result:
This doesn't sound a lot better and is nothing but the next logical step from WP7. Though the news or rumours are from 2008 so noone knows about their reliability...
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2008 was around the time they hit the reset button so this is prolly true, i mite just skip wp7 & get a zune HD that & my tp2 should be enough for the next couple of years

I like how people are *****ing about so many things which they see "wrong" with WM7 with out realising they have been replaced with alternatives- weather they are a better solution is remained to be seen, but you guys are way to quick to jump the gun.
It looks good, and half the stuff your complainning about is as locked down on the iphone and Android isn't the ants pants either (while its open soruce as you devs call it- from a consumer point off view no-one should really care, meaning there is no room for Android)

Interview: Windows Phone 7 battery life, copy/paste, multitasking, and more
Some good reading material whilst we await for the last day of MIX10. And this is a very interesting sentence from the site, the Copy and Paste section.
Brix then goes on to say that there's something that Microsoft calls, "delighters." These are things that users want in the platform and can be announced any time between now and release... Nilay Patel of Engadget asked Brix, specifically, if copy and paste is one of the "delighters" and he told him "no."
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So if we raise our voice loud enough, they will listen, still quite some time before it comes onto the market, a lot can change. It would be amazing if Microsoft can strike a chord for both mass consumers and tech-savvy people with WP7S.
At the end of the day, I'm more likely than not going to get a WP7S phone, Xperia X1 failing me right now... Will look towards Android alternatives, not much of an Apple guy.

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I like how people are *****ing about so many things which they see "wrong" with WM7 with out realising they have been replaced with alternatives- weather they are a better solution is remained to be seen, but you guys are way to quick to jump the gun.
It looks good, and half the stuff your complainning about is as locked down on the iphone and Android isn't the ants pants either (while its open soruce as you devs call it- from a consumer point off view no-one should really care, meaning there is no room for Android)
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no ive been a supporter of wp7 since i saw it, but what really makes me mad is how they took copy & paste away just because they can with absolulty no upside to removing it i dont even use copy & paste but still, i dont like how they just said no we dont want u to have it because we dont think you need it, all the other stuff i understand why they mite take it away but copy & paste?? wth & i could care less about iphone or andriod

Won't we do nothing against WM7 jail ?

Hi Everyone,
I'm very worried about all I've eared recently on coming WM7
No cut/paste
No multitasking
No Storage card management
And a MarketPlace build on the Itunes-Jail-Model...
So my question is :
Won't we do something to stop that ?
Would someone start a petition saying that if Microsoft keep going this way, we'll all move to Android !
Maybe I'm just dreaming, but if XDA display this petition everywhere, we might grow fast and make some noise. It's not too late.
What do you think ?

from what I heard everyone at MIX10 loved WP7, as the majority of people will. We are just bunch of freaks. Even XDA camp is split up, at least half of people dig it as well.

It is high time WinMobile moved forward. Donno if Windows Phone 7 is the way to go, but I think the WM interface never really worked when touch screens came in.
As for opening it up, well I agree MS should make it as easy as possible for people to develop for free. Unfortunately it probably won't be, at least for a good while yet which is huge shame.
MS will want to make money from it, and gain market share and for now that means locked down with Apps Store route. Hopefully they will open it up for free developers in time or they will never gain anything over the options.

Won't we do something to stop that ?
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Don't you think they WANT us to TALK about it, until REAL thing will come out...
It looks like weird advert campaign.
But funny, that people who bought their HD2 were simply fooled.
Few millions there, another there...pure FUN.

Honestly, I'd say there's roughly zero chance of XDA or anyone else being able to change Microsoft's mind on these issues prior to WP7 launch. They thought long and hard about all these things and know some of the decisions will make a certain amount of developers and tweakers unhappy, but really they're focused on creating a revolutionary UX, and to do so they need to control certain things more than before. If you've seen the demo apps from MIX hopefully most will agree it's worthwhile pain for the expected gain.
Microsoft isn't turning it's back on the WM dev community though - the tools for developing on WP7 are excellent (so long as you're already doing managed code at least), and now all free. It's impressive the things you can do with Silverlight/XNA/Blend on WP7.
Richard

Man, i much more worrying about that there isn't a release for the Leo, because it has too much buttons (what an idiot reason!!!!). I bought my Leo for wm7. I veryvery disappointed in microsoft. I going to move to Android!

Man, i much more worrying about that there isn't a release for the Leo, because it has too much buttons (what an idiot reason!!!!).
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..because this is not a reason.
This is game about getting attention.
Very, very strange way of advertising, to be honest.
They are sure, that people will buy ANOTHER 500+$ device just to get their feeble bs. Ridiculous.
(personal opinion).
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I bought my Leo for wm7.
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Name it, lol. This is exactly same thing as Kaiser and its drivers(if there is someone who remember these times - users were told they will get DRIVERS...yeah, right - people did not learn, i assume).
I am not against progress - I am against stupidity and fooling people.
g'night.

pupakota said:
I am not against progress - I am against stupidity and fooling people.
g'night.
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Well I agree, there is so much available which is good for wm5, wm6 etc but wp7 with new start should open up even more possibility of graphically rich and media centred experience. In theory that is.
Look at the development between wm5 and wm6, hardly anything in how long? Hopefully it will be updating interfaces only for wm7, spb and htc have both realised that people want more eye candy than wm could provide.
I love windows mobile but I like the iPhone package, only because it appears to work. But I wouldn't buy an iPhone because there might be an app for everything, but with wm there's a free app for everything. (Although not when big companies forget about wm!)
If WP7 is free to develop on, using MS tools, then fingers crossed the draw of fast fancy graphics and features will bring back developers from iPhone only apps. No doubt MS will extract their pound of flesh first but hopefully it won't end up locked down like the iPhone.
Then again, there may only be fancy graphics in WP7 and no substance or power left for anything else, but without WP7 don't you think WM would end up being shelved (and where would the little apps go then? somebody think of the apps). Perhaps Android is the future!
Also, why do they hate hardware buttons, give me a D-pad back please! If want to flick my fingers around I'd take up tiddlywinks.

im sure WP7 will be quite a success, you need to remember that most phone users are not enthusiasts like us. What the general public want and what we want are very different criteria. See how popular Iphone is!
I see no problem with WP7 not having
No cut/paste
No multitasking
No Storage card management
there is already WM 6.5 that does have these things and there is no wait until its released because we already have it.
Maybe in the future when no more WM 6 devices are produced we will have a tough choice on picking a new device, or maybe people will cook 6.5 for the WP7 handsets (upgrade with older version ha ha)

There is nothing we can do. Even if whole xda makes petition or something, who cares about some stupid forum where geeks want do to something?
Also, why do they hate hardware buttons, give me a D-pad back please! If want to flick my fingers around I'd take up tiddlywinks.
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Couldn't agree more. Im suprised that they allow QWERTY.
Also where is competition here? What can phone vendors do to make their phone better? Most stuff is already standarized, so there will be bunch of same devices on market.

Personally I think they're taking all of the flexibility and breadth of applications away from the platform and moving towards the pointless "There's a crApp for that" mentality.
I won't be looking for a phone until towards the end of the year, I'll be taking a serious look at Android and WebOS at that time I believe.

MS won't change it's mind no matter what, they are trying the Apple approach, at least we still have Android, too bad cuz I loved WM...

The best petition is not buying wp7. Believe me..they will get that message real quick. It's not the end of the world. MS forgot that there'r other platform out there (Android).

dicast said:
The best petition is not buying wp7. Believe me..they will get that message real quick. It's not the end of the world. MS forgot that there'r other platform out there (Android).
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well if they do mess up wm, then think what the combined effort could do with Android instead!

Seems everything nowadays (Not just Windows Mobile) is all about moving towards "locking things down", taking away the control from the regular people ala iphone style... and people seems to just accept it with a smile on their lips.
Companies are trying to control everything their employies (correct english?) do, trying to prevent them to use facebook at work and logs everything they do online... Seriously, what the f^** is going on??? Why not implement internet filters all over the world aswell? Buy the technology from China!
Soon when microsoft have killed windows mobile, android will be the only option for me at least...
Maybe Windows Phone series 7 or whatever they call it will be a huge success, but it's not windows mobile anymore, ok it's finger friendly but the OS will be as restricted as China itself. WM the way we like it will soon be history...
I will enjoy the freedom while it lasts and stick to current wm until I'll switch to Android...

khaytsus said:
I won't be looking for a phone until towards the end of the year, I'll be taking a serious look at Android and WebOS at that time I believe.
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From what I've read WebOS is going bye bye. Palm will be switching to Android. Shame. I never used it but from what I've read it had great potential.
I am indifferent to WP7 till i use it myself. I am not upgrading anytime soon and am waiting for a the next step up from the Rhodium(in all aspects) be it an Android or a WP7.
WP7 will take time to work out the kinks. It might not cater to everyones needs at first but I have faith that it will one day be something only Fanatics and Apple Fanboys will hate. <GARTH>"We fear change!"</GARTH>

@ owziee
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Hope that, all of you guys, have signed the petition...
Of course it won't change Microsoft'sMind.
But "Who doesn't do, doesn't get"
It starts there....

dicast said:
The best petition is not buying wp7. Believe me..they will get that message real quick. It's not the end of the world. MS forgot that there'r other platform out there (Android).
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What do you imagine MS will do if no one buys WP7S? WP7S is the last roll of the dice. If it fails, MS will get out of the mobile device market completely.

Except that it will hardly happen, general public couldn't care less about jails and even breaking them.

I guaranty there will be loads of people who will buy it because they want xbox live and zune on their phones and I reckon I'll join them as I'm getting fed up of phones that suddenly start becoming stuttery randomly, or has bugs that I have to end up waiting for an operator to release their branded version of a to ROM fix because I don't want to void my warranty and basically I don't get the time to endlessly flash new ROMS these days.
But I'll still be hanging onto my WM6.5 HD2

WP7 means MS abandons PPC

What the major difference between WM and Iphone os..is that the WM is a computer..and Iphone is just a phone with alot of features..
It's two completely different things..and it seems that MS(prolly because they can't stand watching apple getting mo money then they R) with their new WPhone7 decided to abandon pocket computers and start to make phone only OS..and it's pretty disappointing.
personally I love WM platform because it is a pocket PC..not just a fancy phone with whole alot of things inside..and it seems it's over now..they just don't care about us(prolly because we to smart to pay for every lil thing so we're not really profitable)..

SMH.......thats the problem with windows mobile NOW! nomatter what you do, how much your phone can do...its NOT a computer.....windows mobile now is not a computer and nowhere near it, and microsoft has finally realized this as fact which is why they are moving n another direction....wm-ppc-are not PC'S

in fact you cant stand still on that idea... about not a PC but PPC ancient times when Windows CE comes to town everybody knows the OS a "Pocket" PC, cause it can handles: I sharing, desktop remote, exchnage in WM5, PDA features and... the most important thing as "windows is" the multitasks we knows and fell in love with WM due to that, and now many of that will dissapears... why? due to the NON File explorer and Windows features. The Development will be on two fronts now WP6.6 and WP7 will starts from zero again.

kel16harris said:
SMH.......thats the problem with windows mobile NOW! nomatter what you do, how much your phone can do...its NOT a computer.....windows mobile now is not a computer and nowhere near it, and microsoft has finally realized this as fact which is why they are moving n another direction....wm-ppc-are not PC'S
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Ofcourse PPC is not a PC..but very close to it..
I think even if they wanna make the totally new os..they shouldnt abandon this one..for exemple Y not develop both of them..
XDA is the biggest internet community in this matter..and what i c the most..is disagreement with new MS politics..but since they(MS) just dont care bout it..they'll will lose some of their loyal clients..
But unfortunately..we don't have mush choice..since one or another of big brothers is gonna dictate their terms..n thats a bad thing about the monopoly..
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in fact you cant stand still on that idea... about not a PC but PPC ancient times when Windows CE comes to town everybody knows the OS a "Pocket" PC, cause it can handles: I sharing, desktop remote, exchnage in WM5, PDA features and... the most important thing as "windows is" the multitasks we knows and fell in love with WM due to that, and now many of that will dissapears... why? due to the NON File explorer and Windows features. The Development will be on two fronts now WP6.6 and WP7 will starts from zero again.
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They made a choice..and not to our favor..

You are in right OP.. Windows 7 is very ugly,and only reason why I like Pocket PC,bcs he is PC in small package...Last good windows been 6.0/6.1... After this Microsoft make serious ****s...Windows 6.1 dont have many things...But he is far away best OS for mobile devices.I used Iphone/Android,and after many testing Win 6.1 is REAL os with must to say....best multitasking.I like Start menu,I like `PC icons` and I like programs for 6.1...I dont want to use Win 7...Win 6.1 have many popular PC apllications,and have all what I ever will need.Windows 7 look like some ugly Iphone....(and yes,Windows is better os than Mac : )

The grammar in this thread is just...terrible. Every...other... sentence...being... separated...by...dots............
Were all you guys posting from iPhones? I know that device can have a deleterious effect on the English language. It's okay to admit it, it is shiny after all.

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The grammar in this thread is just...terrible. Every...other... sentence...being... separated...by...dots............
Were all you guys posting from iPhones? I know that device can have a deleterious effect on the English language. It's okay to admit it, it is shiny after all.
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What's an iPhone...?

Sorry dude,I know macedonian,spanish,russian and serbian.I dont need to know grammar for eng.I can understand you/you can me,where is problem ? Try you to write in my lang : )))

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What's an iPhone...?
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Iphones is mobile phone for kids.With cute icons and animations.

Careful now.
PPC can also mean "PowerPC", "Pocket Personal Computer" or some other meanings. Just a warning not to get your terms mixed up.
LOL @ iPhone post above.
I'm liking Windows Mobile so far... Althrough Win Phone 7 looks like all glossy and not that appealing to me. Isn't WP7 based on CE 6.0? Shouldn't be too hard to hack in a Windows XP-like desktop...

My point was that every post in this thread has bad grammar. In fact it almost looks like every post was made by the same person...
And WP7 is not even close to glossy.

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My point was that every post in this thread has bad grammar. In fact it almost looks like every post was made by the same person...
And WP7 is not even close to glossy.
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hm..really....?

ok, seems everyone hates win7 here... its not that bad.if the phone does its job, its good. i am buying a phone. I'm not going to develop a website on the phone. i have pc for that. but i can listen to music, surf the web, play a game, whatever. the problem with iPhone is that everyone has it. main reason i bought htc mobile. why not steal everything good from iPhone and windows and put it to good use :d

I dont hate WP7 nor loves it, only time will tell what its going to look like. But what i dont like about WP7 is how it is become more look like "others" -read overly simplified popular flashy gadget rather than techie stuffs. WinMo is vastly more advance but i guess being friendly and simple sells more than advance and complicated. Gotta love the iphone, hahahah it is so boring but for what it is, it serves well.
Well i still love WinMo.

WP7 sucks...
hi guys, let me tell you what is going to be the WP7... it is going to be a windows device with iPhone look-a-like in side- NO THANKS!!!
I personaly dont like where things are going for windows mobile, and I believe alot of loyal wm users will turn back on WP7.
Almost forgot... I cant bare loosing my multytasking...
WP7 compare to WM is a step backwards,not forward,that was a sick,profit driven decision made by Microsoft which gonna cost them dearly...

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I dont hate WP7 nor loves it, only time will tell what its going to look like. But what i dont like about WP7 is how it is become more look like "others" -read overly simplified popular flashy gadget rather than techie stuffs. WinMo is vastly more advance but i guess being friendly and simple sells more than advance and complicated. Gotta love the iphone, hahahah it is so boring but for what it is, it serves well.
Well i still love WinMo.
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that's exactly my point!
But anyway..unfortunately we don't have mush choice..and nothing depends on us..
I'll prolly stick with my hd 2 for a moment..n I'll c how things r gonna happen..

kel16harris said:
SMH.......thats the problem with windows mobile NOW! nomatter what you do, how much your phone can do...its NOT a computer.....windows mobile now is not a computer and nowhere near it, and microsoft has finally realized this as fact which is why they are moving n another direction....wm-ppc-are not PC'S
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So umm why are you on this forum, go play with your IPHONE
Can you change the bootup on a pc yes
On an iphone no
On an htc diamond yes
hmmmmmm

slaki85 said:
Sorry dude,I know macedonian,spanish,russian and serbian.I dont need to know grammar for eng.I can understand you/you can me,where is problem ? Try you to write in my lang : )))
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pwned lol multi lingual dude

bako.li said:
hi guys, let me tell you what is going to be the WP7... it is going to be a windows device with iPhone look-a-like in side- NO THANKS!!!
I personaly dont like where things are going for windows mobile, and I believe alot of loyal wm users will turn back on WP7.
Almost forgot... I cant bare loosing my multytasking...
WP7 compare to WM is a step backwards,not forward,that was a sick,profit driven decision made by Microsoft which gonna cost them dearly...
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i left halo cause they made it gay for the new players
i will leave wm cause they made it gay for the non techs who dont flash every night

Actually PPC is much more PC than many of us believe.
I remember my first PC form 1994. It was poor Pentium I 66MHz with 16Mb RAM and 450Mb HDD.
Now my wife's Xperia has 528MHz CPU, some memory and a "pitiful" 4Gb storage SDHC. Also X1's 800x480 is almost as good as my first 800x600 CRT.
Which one is more PC? If compared per watt?
I'd like to see WP7 and WinMob multitask OS in parallel.

Oh, this is where the android fanboys went...

Wow, I've been reading through this forum after receiving my second WP7 device. I was an avid android user and built my own custom roms on there and never once did I come across one thing (despite people like Cyanogenmod who do amazing things) that ever came close to comparing the feel and the general UI of windows phone 7. Yes, android is great in the gaming department and being able to get ANY app free was nice but that novelty wears off and then what do you have except an ugly UI that's laggy and overdone. The multiple launchers were not a bad thing either, too bad almost all of them seemed like distros of eachother with one or two extra features. The best one I stumbled across was windows phone android which was a slow boring cheap imitation of the windows phone 7 metro UI. Ladies and gentlemen, we give you the best android can do. Really, should you base an entire UI on the fact that the game developers have invested more into android in 2 years than they have in WP7 in 3 months? We've progressed exponentially faster than android in these 3 months and are continuing to snowball. Oh, but you cant copy and paste or use your phone as a USB drive? Well, who needs to, I don't use my phone as a thumb drive, I have an 8 dollar flash drive for that. I use it as a multimedia device with live streaming video, slacker radio, and zune player, I use it as a camera with a quick draw camera that can go from locked to camera mode in the time it takes to pull it from your pocket. I use it as a web browsing device with a browser that despite the lack of flash has already functioned on more websites than androids ever did for me. I use it for gaming, seamless gaming, we may not have the quantity of games yet but I've always been a firm believer in quality over quantity. And most of all I use it as a phone, beautiful dialer, clear sound, and no hanging up with my face. I'm sorry that I dont have to use my phone as a disk drive, I dont find it necessary to put a new rom on my phone every 30 minutes just to get my phone fully functional. I have no need for it when I can just copy my multimedia files over. Copy and paste on a phone? Really how lazy are you... I mean seriously it's not hard to type and if you're handling word documents on your phone then let me introduce you to a laptop, it's portable and you dont have to look like a douchebag for typing on it for long periods of time. I do not get the hostility towards WP7 users aside from the fact that we are an obvious threat to that niche android has carved itself amongst the low-end device world. Android was great as a low-end device but I wanted to move on up to something a little more adult.

To argue windows phone 7 as a more adult platform is stupidity. Furthermore, to argue android as a low-end device is retarded. Android is an operating system, not a device. Diving even further into the matter, calling an open source platform anything short of amazing in today's society would be an understatment. To bash the flow of custom roms present on android is to say you don't expect more out of belittled hardware your holding in your very hands. Your saying having the same old ui on every windows phone 7 device you hold isn't a waste of perfectly capable hardware? You also argue android phones are limited to flashing custom roms to get the most out of your phone. Hmm..I know plenty of satisfied people, including my own mother, who are perfectly happy with their android phone stock. Bashing custom roms like they're a bad thing is destroying the foundation xda devlopers is even built on, it's heart and soul. We get it your happy with your purchase, cool. Move on with life no need to share your opinion on an openminded forum filled with trolls and geeks willing to dispute their case over and over and over. In all seriousness the Zune HD interface was mind-blowing, a phone based on that, again amazing. The thing that drags most every amazing ui and platform down is it not being open.
You also admitted to pirating apps in writing, and bashed custom roms you created? Hm..

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To argue windows phone 7 as a more adult platform is stupidity. Furthermore, to argue android as a low-end device is retarded. Android is an operating system, not a device.
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more developed as a platform? No. More appealing to an adult user who doesnt spend most of their time... well... here. Absolutely, no doubt.

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more developed as a platform? No. More appealing to an adult user who doesnt spend most of their time... well... here. Absolutely, no doubt.
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Lol. I kind of agree with this.
Android looks like a God among platforms on a website trolled and perused by geeks and hackers.
It looks pretty rough out in the real world, though...

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Lol. I kind of agree with this.
Android looks like a God among platforms on a website trolled and perused by geeks and hackers.
It looks pretty rough out in the real world, though...
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Thanks for your input, as a once vibrant user I do apologize for any loss of sanity that may occur. The galaxy S series is just garish to anyone who really USES their phone as something more than a phone.

I'm looking at other phones to get rid of this one at the moment.
I'm even considering a Blackberry Bold 9780, that's how terrible my experience with this phone is.
After CES if nothing spectacular is coming out I'll open another line and then sell this one to ETF the other line, but keep my current SIM card (changing phone numbers yet again... will anger many people I know ).
I'm keeping up on WP7 because I like that they double up as Zune HDs. Unfortunately I don't think the devices out right now really scratch my itch.
My coworkers all hate me for getting Android phones banned on our Exchange server after I lost my first Vibrant and IT found out they didn't support Remote Wipe :<

Yeah, I was fortunate enough to find a guy who was looking for a behold 2 for his HD7... I dont really understand why anyone in the world would want the behold 2 but I had an extra one laying around that I'd never even powered on so I figured why not... I will never turn back.

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Yeah, I was fortunate enough to find a guy who was looking for a behold 2 for his HD7... I dont really understand why anyone in the world would want the behold 2 but I had an extra one laying around that I'd never even powered on so I figured why not... I will never turn back.
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Hrm, maybe I'll try to strike a deal on Craigslist or something. I have an extra HD2 lying around I can probably score a deal on, especially with the Android NAND project delivering a functional ROM for that phone... I've never tried Android on that phone, but I guess it's pretty popular these days (especially since the last week ro so)!

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The galaxy S series is just garish to anyone who really USES their phone as something more than a phone.
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Couldn't disagree more. From an everyday use point of view the galaxy s beats wp7 hands down. My wife disagrees of course - she loves her Optimus 7 (save for the lack of turn by turn nav). Point is everyone has different expectations from there phone.
Surely a "grown up" wp7 user like yourself can understand that .
Sent from my GT-I9000M

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Are there a lot of adults out there who feel the need to carry their Xbox avatars in their pockets?
Because according to Microsoft's own ad campaign, playing Xbox games without getting in trouble is the "best" part of the phone.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1RvPQHZDOs
How adult.

@Radeon, I completely agree on the part where each of us have different needs, my comment was more directed at the hostility surrounding our forum by android users. If I wanted to attack an OS without reason I'd hit iphone.
@Greenbird, I've stated time and time again that Microsofts ad-campaign managers need to be taken out back and bludgeoned to death with iphones (so that garbage can get some kind of use) My original impression of the HD7 thanks to them was, "Oh joy, It's a 4.3 inch screen and 1 gHz processor that is meant to be taken out of my pocket for about 5 seconds to swipe and check my updates then go. It seemed completely impractical. They undersell the UI in every ad and it's completely nonsensical. I do enjoy the occasional game of fruit ninja but I can honestly say this is the only phone ive had since before Windows mobile 2003 that I didnt feel it was necessary for me to install third party apps to make the phone great.

You successfully brought the Android fanboys out... by insulting their beloved OS. I did love Android... but I'd take WP7's smootheness and ease of use over Android any day. I like that I have half my life back. Android and WinMo were exhausting all of my time. MS's ad campaign is right... I have more time with my WP7 now for... well... life.

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You successfully brought the Android fanboys out... by insulting their beloved OS. I did love Android... but I'd take WP7's smootheness and ease of use over Android any day. I like that I have half my life back. Android and WinMo were exhausting all of my time. MS's ad campaign is right... I have more time with my WP7 now for... well... life.
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LMAO, seriously. These kiddies came flying out of the gates to defend their beloved wack OS.

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I have more time with my WP7 now for... well... life.
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LOL. That's because all you can do with your beloved Windoze Phone is listen to Zune and twiddle your thumbs while waiting for all those phantom updates that you hope will drag your OS out of 2007.

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LOL. That's because all you can do with your beloved Windoze Phone is listen to Zune and twiddle your thumbs while waiting for all those phantom updates that you hope will drag your OS out of 2007.
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nah, more like we don't have to tweak and cook roms just to make our phones work "ok" much less at an optimized pace like WP7 phones operate at. If I still want to tweak I have my WM6.5 device. But no thanks, finally found a phone that WORKS. ;-)

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finally found a phone that WORKS. ;-)
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But what does it do? Zune, Xbox, email, and Facebook?
Wow. Where do I sign up?

Everyone has their own expectation for their daily use phone. Some only want to use the phone to make calls and SMS, some might use the phone to its full potential like email, surf, social networking and even games.
But there is an important fact that we need to aware of, there are phone savvy users and "idiot" users. A savvy user will expect more from their daily used phone and they will never satisfy with the performance of the phone. A very good example, i have both Galaxy S and Omnia 7. The problem is i am always looking forward in flashing new ROMs for my Galaxy S in order to achieve better performance. I would say its a never ending story until nobody releases new ROMs. For non savvy user, they will never know what's good or bad, as long as they can make calls and SMS, they will be satisfied. Most importantly, a 70 year old user is also able to adapt to the phone easily.
Therefore, i would say MS has done a good job in WP7, a very solid platform. No whatsoever performance issue. Hence its definitely a very powerful platform catering to non savvy user.

It has nothing to do with being tech savvy or not. I mean read your statement. You flash roms to improve your performance and yet you say wp7 has no performance issues. Androids success relies solely on its developers because there is nothing pleasant about the UI or social integration. The market is the only thing that sales Android. The os itself is a letdown at best.

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But what does it do? Zune, Xbox, email, and Facebook?
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And Android does what? Pirated apps, Wifi hotspot and plenty of lags and crashes? I'm duly impressed.

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It has nothing to do with being tech savvy or not. I mean read your statement. You flash roms to improve your performance and yet you say wp7 has no performance issues. Androids success relies solely on its developers because there is nothing pleasant about the UI or social integration. The market is the only thing that sales Android. The os itself is a letdown at best.
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+1. The dev. support that Android has it what makes it MUCH better than it is in stock form. WM6 has more capabilities than Android, just less developer support and worse advertising. Android phones got great hype from Verizon (the Droids) and T-Mobile, so that's where it won half the battle; by getting people excited for it. And yet WM6.5 devices can still own Android devices in every way possible. Does the general public know this? Nope...they just buy what they're told like the sheep they are.