[Q] phone keeps restarting. need help - Samsung Galaxy Nexus

i bought the phone rooted already. its running aokp milestone 5 and franco.kernal milestone 3. i restarted the phone the other day and i got the android is upgrading..optimizing applications #of#. after it finished it would crash and reboot and ill get the android is upgrading message again and it would crash and reboot and repeat the whole process. i tried wiping the data through cwm and it would do the same. i tried restoring the backup and it would do that same. can anyone help me with this problem? im stuck with a blackberry until i can fix my phone. i already tried searching. thanks

antn said:
i bought the phone rooted already. its running aokp milestone 5 and franco.kernal milestone 3. i restarted the phone the other day and i got the android is upgrading..optimizing applications #of#. after it finished it would crash and reboot and ill get the android is upgrading message again and it would crash and reboot and repeat the whole process. i tried wiping the data through cwm and it would do the same. i tried restoring the backup and it would do that same. can anyone help me with this problem? im stuck with a blackberry until i can fix my phone. i already tried searching. thanks
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wipe and reflash the rom. or wipe and try another rom and kernel. every time you wipe, you want to reflash.

yea i already tried doing that and it would do the same thing.

I would try going into recovery and load a restore point first, hopefully there IS one.
I had this happen a few times to me while over flashing and restoring fixed the problem.

I'd rather flash the takju build via fastboot using efrants step by step instructions. If I were to buy a used phone I'd want to do all the rooting and flashing as if it were a new device.
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kvirus11 said:
I would try going into recovery and load a restore point first, hopefully there IS one.
I had this happen a few times to me while over flashing and restoring fixed the problem.
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restore point? lmao! theres no such thing. you can restore a nandroid backup, but i doubt the previous owner would leave it in your sd storage considering all his/her personalinformation/data would be contained in it.

i got it to work now. i was able to learn and unroot the phone through the guide. at first i thought it wouldnt work cause i couldnt access the phone to put it in debugging mode but i guess it was already on and i did the whole unrooting process and flash stock image with no problems. thanks guys

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[Q] My Gnex won't stop rebooting

Hi guys
I just changed my color of everything in recovery mode. My phone has been trying to start up for 40 minutes! I don't know what to do. Can I remove the battery and try to turn it on again? I just want it to startup.
Thanks
i guess you are stuck in a bootloop. you should have made a backup, did you?
I'm not really sure what a backup is? I have titanium, and clockwork I believe on my phone. I have changed the os a few times. Please explain to me what a backup is
Backup (Nandroid) is a part of clockworkmod recovery.
usually before you flash anything that changes the system files, you should make a backup (takes less than 5 minutes). just in case something goes wrong with the file you flashed, so you can revert back to how the phone was before the backup.
are you stuck at the splash screen or bootanimation?
I just removed the battery, and I put it back in and it's doing it again... I hope it starts up.
You are the fifth person I saw having this problem today. Something is not right here...
I am guessing chrome beta is causing this. I didn't get a chance to do factory restore yet as I want to backup my data files first when I get home.
But someone said data wipe and factory restore do not help...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=22320729&postcount=2
tigersgt said:
You are the fifth person I saw having this problem today. Something is not right here...
I am guessing chrome beta is causing this. I didn't get a chance to do factory restore yet as I want to backup my data files first when I get home.
But someone said data wipe and factory restore do not help...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=22320729&postcount=2
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i highly doubt that Chrome for Android is the source of the problem.
kkl1993 said:
i highly doubt that Chrome for Android is the source of the problem.
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I am on stock rom without root. There wasn't any issue before and installing chrome was the only thing I did yesterday.
By changing the color what do you mean? Flashed a theme?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1485568
I did the red sensation
Biomera said:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1485568
I did the red sensation
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which process did you use to root your phone?
So basically something from that theme didn't install correctly and is not allowing your phone to boot.
When making any changes to anything it is always wise to make a nandroid backup. If you made a nandroid you could restore that and you would be fine.
Since you didn't you have 2 options.
Option 1) Flash the current rom you were running with just a dalvik cache wipe and hope that it boots back up. If it does not you will have to do option 2.
Option 2) Wipe both data and cache and then flash a rom. You will lose all of your data but, you will then have a working phone.
I installed the chrome earlier today, a few hours later i got stuck in reboot loop. I use adb pull to get a copy of important data.
factory reset doesnt work. when i try to flash an earlier image of my phone, it fails at restoring 'data'

Clockworkmod: Error while restoring /data!

I'm using regular Clockworkmod 5.0.2.6 (not touch, which I've never tried).
I made a bunch of Nandroid backups of my phone. In the past I've restored to some of them and they worked. However, now, whenever I try restoring any of them from CWM, including the ones that worked before, it restores for a while and then it fails stating:
"Error while restoring /data!"
I searched on Google, and the only references I've found to this problem are from Galaxy Nexus owners. For them, just reflashing stock over Fastboot fixes it, so I reflashed stock 2.3.5 over Odin, but the problem remains.
I've also tried doing wipe data/factory reset from inside CWM and that didn't help.
Has anyone seen this before or have any ideas on how to fix this?!
I've discovered the log function under Advanced of CWM. This is what the log is ending with:
tar: can't remove old file data/system/packages.xml: Operation not permitted
#92997temp.dumpefs1.binefs2.binefs3.binS30edt_perms.logzipalign.log.cid.info.psm.info.mac.infoentropy.datbatterystats.binuiderrors.txtusage-20120304usage-20120305usage-20120229usage-20120301usage-20120302usage-20120303packages.xmlError while restoring /data!
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I Googled around, and came up with this:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1461658
Again, the Galaxy Nexus, with the same problem being this data/system/packages.xml file, and the same solution being Fastboot.
What the heck is going on? Is it possible for us to use Fastboot on our T989's?
manekineko said:
I'm using regular Clockworkmod 5.0.2.6 (not touch, which I've never tried).
I made a bunch of Nandroid backups of my phone. In the past I've restored to some of them and they worked. However, now, whenever I try restoring any of them from CWM, including the ones that worked before, it restores for a while and then it fails stating:
"Error while restoring /data!"
I searched on Google, and the only references I've found to this problem are from Galaxy Nexus owners. For them, just reflashing stock over Fastboot fixes it, so I reflashed stock 2.3.5 over Odin, but the problem remains.
I've also tried doing wipe data/factory reset from inside CWM and that didn't help.
Has anyone seen this before or have any ideas on how to fix this?!
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You're not alone my friend and I know how to fix it, albiet temporarily, although I haven't actually had the issue in quite some time.
Do a full wipe and clean install of your favourite rom. Once it boots and you let it settle for a few minutes reboot recovery and restore your backup. I have done this method about 12-15 times. The error restoring was accompanied by the inability to reboot my phone at all without having a complete meltdown of every app force closing. It was after the first "bad reboot" I had that I got the error while trying to restore a backup. Hopefully you don't have o go through that. It sucked big time to say the least. Hope this helps
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raycaster3 said:
You're not alone my friend and I know how to fix it, albiet temporarily, although I haven't actually had the issue in quite some time.
Do a full wipe and clean install of your favourite rom. Once it boots and you let it settle for a few minutes reboot recovery and restore your backup. I have done this method about 12-15 times. The error restoring was accompanied by the inability to reboot my phone at all without having a complete meltdown of every app force closing. It was after the first "bad reboot" I had that I got the error while trying to restore a backup. Hopefully you don't have o go through that. It sucked big time to say the least. Hope this helps
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Fixed it, just as you were typing up your response. (Thanks for the tip nonetheless!)
I just ran Darkside Super Wipe on my phone, and after that my restore proceeded perfectly.
I wonder if that's really the key. I don't suppose your favorite ROM is Darkside Digital Warfare, which has Darkside Super Wipe built-in?
manekineko said:
Fixed it, just as you were typing up your response. (Thanks for the tip nonetheless!)
I just ran Darkside Super Wipe on my phone, and after that my restore proceeded perfectly.
I wonder if that's really the key. I don't suppose your favorite ROM is Darkside Digital Warfare, which has Darkside Super Wipe built-in?
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Of course it is lol.
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Thanks for the fix, same thing happened to me. I had the Optimus T before this so I whent flash happy 12 hours after I unboxed this beautiful phone. I've only had this phone a week, you saved my life lol.
this is just now happening to me, this threat is old but very help full lol
Hey all,
not trying to rehash a "solved" thread but Im having this issue and then some.
First, I tried Darksides wipe script and tried to restore the boot and install a new rom, then install the backup, all to no avail. I tried everything. When you get this error, it seems (at least from my experience) that your only hope is to restore from the stock 4.02 google image and then restore from the nandroid. This first happened to me when my phone dropped and off the couch and the battery came out. It seemed to have corrupted the sdcard, or, at least that was my guess.
However, upon redoing everything to stock and restoring the nandroid (even upgrading to the latest ver of clockworkmod recovery), the problem comes back. Im worried about permeneant damage, possibly, but it makes no sense that I would be able to revert to stock and have it working fine. When I reverted and restored from my nandroid, everything worked flawlessly. Then, today, I turned off my phone (which is a rarity, if ever) and it wouldnt boot back up a few minutes later. Bootlooop and the dreaded "error while restoring data!" message. Im going to revert to stock again and start completely from zip, no nandroid. Its possible that the nandroid is corrupted I suppose but i dont believe it would let me restore it than. Any ideas? Could this be from me leaving my phone on practically all the time, without ever turning it off? or the battery coming out while in use? (which makes sense in theory but I've done a battery pull countless times and never had a problem like this). Would there be a way I could determine, for sure if its a hardware problem? Verizon Nexus (hardware ver 9 I believe) now running JB Sourcery 2.0 (from team sourcery...an AWESOME rom, so I dont believe it to be that.)
Cheers!
raycaster3 said:
You're not alone my friend and I know how to fix it, albiet temporarily, although I haven't actually had the issue in quite some time.
Do a full wipe and clean install of your favourite rom. Once it boots and you let it settle for a few minutes reboot recovery and restore your backup. I have done this method about 12-15 times. The error restoring was accompanied by the inability to reboot my phone at all without having a complete meltdown of every app force closing. It was after the first "bad reboot" I had that I got the error while trying to restore a backup. Hopefully you don't have o go through that. It sucked big time to say the least. Hope this helps
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Wow thanks so much for this! Just happened to me on my note 2 and after doing some googling I came across this post and it worked perfectly, first try. thanks again!
i had this problem now.. my hearth stopped to work.. but this guide helped me ! thanx ! so it is working in year 2014 too
raycaster3 said:
You're not alone my friend and I know how to fix it, albiet temporarily, although I haven't actually had the issue in quite some time.
Do a full wipe and clean install of your favourite rom. Once it boots and you let it settle for a few minutes reboot recovery and restore your backup. I have done this method about 12-15 times. The error restoring was accompanied by the inability to reboot my phone at all without having a complete meltdown of every app force closing. It was after the first "bad reboot" I had that I got the error while trying to restore a backup. Hopefully you don't have o go through that. It sucked big time to say the least. Hope this helps
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plz help me :crying: i am new to this here is my situation i hav a galaxy s4 i9500 i rooted my device 2 days ago and i backed up during the back up it showed no .android_secure found. skipping backup of applications on external storage andalso root error fix . i google it and found its not a big deal so i factory formatted it but when it restored it and restored it all the applications started showing error msg so i formatted sd card and replaced backup folder and tried to back up it showed md5 mismatch so i editted nanroid.md5 with notepad++ and tried to reboot again now its showing recovery data error . what to do?

[Q] Phone came unrooted

I was experiencing a lot of issues within the last few days so I decided to wipe my phone and reinstall the rom. I've been on the 7/11 build of CM 10.1 since it came out. The phone has been a little wonky lately out of the and wouldn't reboot or go into recovery. I managed to get into Recovery through the ROM Manager app. The power button seemed to be a little touchy. I did a factory reset and wiped the cache. Before I could do anything further it rebooted and brought me into the Rom fresh, making me log into my google account and set up the phone from the start.
The issue now is that the phone is not showing as being rooted anymore. Is there something I can do to get root back from this point? Do I just go back into Odin and root as if I’m doing it for the first time? Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Jaypcarlson said:
I was experiencing a lot of issues within the last few days so I decided to wipe my phone and reinstall the rom. I've been on the 7/11 build of CM 10.1 since it came out. The phone has been a little wonky lately out of the and wouldn't reboot or go into recovery. I managed to get into Recovery through the ROM Manager app. The power button seemed to be a little touchy. I did a factory reset and wiped the cache. Before I could do anything further it rebooted and brought me into the Rom fresh, making me log into my google account and set up the phone from the start.
The issue now is that the phone is not showing as being rooted anymore. Is there something I can do to get root back from this point? Do I just go back into Odin and root as if I’m doing it for the first time? Any help would be greatly appreciated.
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not sure how you could lose root on CM 10.1 but you could use odin to flash back to stock and start over, or you can just flash the .tar file for the 2.6.1.0 TWRP recovery in odin and that will root your phone with out having to go all the way back to stock.
Heres the link for TWRP 2.6.1.0 http://goo.im/devs/OpenRecovery/hercules/openrecovery-twrp-2.6.1.0-hercules.tar
hey i had the same thing happen to two t989's that i own, one i had flashed the newest chameleon os on it, the other I had revolt.Basically I tried numerous ways to fix it, even downloading and flashing superuser zip again. thing is, I still had access to custom recovery, but no root. Nothing worked, I ended up finding out that the super user program was the issue. Try downloading this one, from this link, and flashing thru the recovery, it will work. No need to reflash anything else.
http://download.chainfire.eu/351/SuperSU/UPDATE-SuperSU-v1.65.zip
Go on dev options and set root access to apps and adb

[Q] Grand rebooting problem help

my galaxy grand continue to reboot, i even flash the stock 4.1.2 and 4.2.2 firmware but still the phone reboots, it only reaches the wifi setup, then it restarts, please help.
chrowley said:
my galaxy grand continue to reboot, i even flash the stock 4.1.2 and 4.2.2 firmware but still the phone reboots, it only reaches the wifi setup, then it restarts, please help.
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The information provided by you is not sufficient.There are some points i would like to know about.
Have u rooted your device?
Are you flashing through ODIN?
ROM version?
Did you make data wipe/ cache wipe before flashing over a previous firmware?
There are many threads associated with this.So please take a look over that.If you don't find answer then we are here to help you
ashwin77sgg said:
The information provided by you is not sufficient.There are some points i would like to know about.
Have u rooted your device?
Are you flashing through ODIN?
ROM version?
Did you make data wipe/ cache wipe before flashing over a previous firmware?
There are many threads associated with this.So please take a look over that.If you don't find answer then we are here to help you
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yes sir rooted, i flash the firmware through odin, then i figured out that i have a backup so i restore it and its a yes it starts, , but the problem is sometimes it reboots and the screen is blinking sometimes, any solution for this sir? thanks in advance
chrowley said:
yes sir rooted, i flash the firmware through odin, then i figured out that i have a backup so i restore it and its a yes it starts, , but the problem is sometimes it reboots and the screen is blinking sometimes, any solution for this sir? thanks in advance
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Thanks for Calling me "Sir". But seriously no need to say it. Say it to real developers.
Now coming to the topic,
For your information,keep in mind that when u flash the Official firmware through ODIN, You loose the root access.
Don't restore any backup. Just flash through ODIN. After flashing Wipe Cache and Data wipe is recommended too.
To gain the root access again you need to flash recovery from ODIN.
Other members looking at this this thread please correct me if i am wrong .I still not getting which backup the guy is talking about.
ashwin77sgg said:
Thanks for Calling me "Sir". But seriously no need to say it. Say it to real developers.
Now coming to the topic,
For your information,keep in mind that when u flash the Official firmware through ODIN, You loose the root access.
Don't restore any backup. Just flash through ODIN. After flashing Wipe Cache and Data wipe is recommended too.
To gain the root access again you need to flash recovery from ODIN.
Other members looking at this this thread please correct me if i am wrong .I still not getting which backup the guy is talking about.
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oh sorry sir, i'll make it clear, my last firmware is 4.2.2 and my rom is GENNEXT, but when i encounter the problem, i tried to go back and flash the 4.1.2 stock firmware, then later i discovered that i have a backup from my previous rom(GENNEXT running 4.2.2 firmware) so i flash again the 4.2.2 stock firmware and flash the philz touch recovery, wipe data/factory reset, wipe cache and wipe dalvik cache then restore the back up, then my phone is restored but theres another problem sometimes the screen blinks and the phone reboots in a few minutes after the startup.
chrowley said:
oh sorry sir, i'll make it clear, my last firmware is 4.2.2 and my rom is GENNEXT, but when i encounter the problem, i tried to go back and flash the 4.1.2 stock firmware, then later i discovered that i have a backup from my previous rom(GENNEXT running 4.2.2 firmware) so i flash again the 4.2.2 stock firmware and flash the philz touch recovery, wipe data/factory reset, wipe cache and wipe dalvik cache then restore the back up, then my phone is restored but theres another problem sometimes the screen blinks and the phone reboots in a few minutes after the startup.
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OK. Then it may be the problem with your GENNXT ROM cause the problem occured after restoring Backup.Try the fresh install of latest build of GENNXT rom.
ashwin77sgg said:
OK. Then it may be the problem with your GENNXT ROM cause the problem occured after restoring Backup.Try the fresh install of latest build of GENNXT rom.
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i already tried it sir but it didnt solve the problem, it passes the setup but after a few minutes the phone reboots.
You might want to try one of the AOSP-based ROMs (CM11/Slimkat/Carbon/Omni/ProBAM) and see if it fixes the issue. If it still reboots even after installing one of those ROMs, then you probably has a faulty hardware. If it stops rebooting,then you probably has a corrupted installation of stock firmware...
Faulty hardware = get it to a service center, but be prepared to pay some bucks because you have already lost your warranty...
Corrupted stock firmware = try to flash the firmware again via Odin but DON'T RESTORE ANY BACKUP. If it still reboots, redownload the firmware package and reflash.
I'm not an expert, but I figured that your phone is already unusable by constant rebooting... let's just solve it by trial and error.
naufalhadyan said:
You might want to try one of the AOSP-based ROMs (CM11/Slimkat/Carbon/Omni/ProBAM) and see if it fixes the issue. If it still reboots even after installing one of those ROMs, then you probably has a faulty hardware. If it stops rebooting,then you probably has a corrupted installation of stock firmware...
Faulty hardware = get it to a service center, but be prepared to pay some bucks because you have already lost your warranty...
Corrupted stock firmware = try to flash the firmware again via Odin but DON'T RESTORE ANY BACKUP. If it still reboots, redownload the firmware package and reflash.
I'm not an expert, but I figured that your phone is already unusable by constant rebooting... let's just solve it by trial and error.
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This is probably the best explained and most direct definition of what to do and what may be happening with our ever-rebooting Grands.... Thank you!!!
Had to create an account to thanks naufalhadyan
I was running on LineAgeOS 13.0 for a while until yesterday, when I went to install some random play store app and it crashed then went on a infinite rollercoaster with absolutely no fun making loops every time it got of the boot animation, did a factory reset, on the 2nd or 3rd app it crashed and looped, flashed another .zip with the rom, same, installed an RRemix on the same version (I like the 6) and when installing another random playstore it crashed the same way, now i'm on a AOSP 6.0 flashed from the recovery and so far i've been downloading the entire play store (just for kicks) and its smooth.
I don't use come to this troubleshooting section but on the last 24 hours there were some major bugs regarding endless loops, maybe a play store update came bugging our grand duos'? Is that even possible?
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Had to create an account to thanks naufalhadyan
I was running on LineAgeOS 13.0 for a while until yesterday, when I went to install some random play store app and it crashed then went on a infinite rollercoaster with absolutely no fun making loops every time it got of the boot animation, did a factory reset, on the 2nd or 3rd app it crashed and looped, flashed another .zip with the rom, same, installed an RRemix on the same version (I like the 6) and when installing another random playstore it crashed the same way, now i'm on a AOSP 6.0 flashed from the recovery and so far i've been downloading the entire play store (just for kicks) and its smooth.
I don't use come to this troubleshooting section but on the last 24 hours there were some major bugs regarding endless loops, maybe a play store update came bugging our grand duos'? Is that even possible?
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Even iam facing the same issue
phone reboots automatically and doesnt even start... infinite bootloop. Was working fine and suddenly this issue came up from nowhere(past 2 weeks) ..
Iam using Resurrection rom 5.7.4 (Marshmallow)
Damn I was on AICP 11, when this exact strange bootloop problem occurred for no rhyme and reason. I know the hardware is fine, the issue arises from installing apps from playstore, the moment it goes beyond a certain app limit in the device, it will start endless bootloop, I am sure this is Google's doing. Anyways this is not a hardware issue and I know more people will be coming here looking for answer to this issue. I have tried both the opengapps and deltagapps, same behaved this way, it never happened before and lately google have introduced one other app which is google's android instant app that will sit in your device, even though you need it not not. very well google for using our precious internal data to around 500Mb to 1Gb.
formating data partition solves this issue, temporarily but you lose your apps and data.
I had successfully avoided this issue when I stopped installing more apps on my device, It took me 2 tries and I found a perfect balance of 4-5 apps, it came crashing again when I tried installing the 7th app.
I don't know if other ROMs will be able to handle this bug, but I know it's time for me to look for another ROM, I was happy with AICP 11, for more than a year. Sad.
Reading about this issue, I came to know this is prevalent on all CM marshmallow based ROMs. So, going to flash Nougat or kitkat or the stock ROM should probably fix this.
Try a new battery.

phone says its full?

Hey guys Im running stock rooted and for some reason my phone SD is saying im full. I have literally nothing on it. Any ideas?
I tried once to install a ROM but it borked so I went back to a backup I had and it was fine.
Via windows it says my SD only has around 8 gigs used but android is saying 24?!?!?!?
WTF MATE?
Try wiping userdata in twrp.
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Try wiping userdata in twrp.
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thanks, I was about to try and just redo the device with a ROM. Clear cahces and such.
I was actually wrong, every time I go into the phone in windows its giving me different storage use #'s. One time its 8 then 17 then 23 then 9. its weird. I think when I tried dirty flashing it just screwed it all up. I have nothing on the SD I care about really so maybe Ill just back up what I want (TWRP backup and titanium apps) and start from scratch if I Cant solve this.
That might be the best. Try backing up to an OTG then completely wiping and installing a fresh ROM. After backing up apps and such.
ugh IM having trouble using any roms on my 5x. No matter the way I install the phone always boots to "internal problem with device"
Ive tried installing different roms (I only like stock style ones) and the vendor.zip and it just doesnt work for me. Ive gone back to my backup for the moment until I figure this out. Never had these issues with my nexus 5
this is odd now my pattern no longer work since my restore back to my TWRP backup! GOD DAKNIT!
let me do the start patttern fine for android then when unlocing the phone it tells me "pattern needed to start device"
what the hell man!
tevil said:
this is odd now my pattern no longer work since my restore back to my TWRP backup! GOD DAKNIT!
let me do the start patttern fine for android then when unlocing the phone it tells me "pattern needed to start device"
what the hell man!
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Try 1st: Completely wipe device, System, data etc. Including Internal Storage and flash a new rom. If that does not fix the issue try flashing stock firmware and start from scratch. Use THIS guide to flash the stock images.
Flash vendor.img that matches your rom base. MMB29Q is the February OTA base. February AOSP roms are based on MMB29U master code but MMB29Q vendor file works fine.
For password issues after TWRP restore, do this: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=3245070
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SERIOUS ISSUE!
Bricked the phone!
CRAP, this whole thing went downhill. Can get into TWRP, and get the android crash logo (triangle) was trying to restore back to stock to start fresh and it bombed completely!
Any tips!!!
Been a while since I used ADB or fast etc, but man if I have to relearn I will

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