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Just ordered my Arc S... Some questions.

I went for a genuine SIM-FREE one (at extra cost), so the bootloader can be unlocked.
What does this mean with regards to getting updates and rooting the device?
Can I download the latest OTA update when I boot the phone, and by doing so, will it lock me out of doing anything? (i'm guessing after taking the latest OTA, I can still request a bootloader unlock?)
I have seen some posts suggesting that once you unlock the bootloader, you will stop getting OTA updates, which would suck, as Android 4.0 is out soon(ish), and I wouldn't want to prevent my phone from being able to get that.
I'm sorta tempted to get the latest OTA and then leave it for a while until I understand the pros and cons of unlocking the bootloader, and rooting the phone.
Sorry to sound like a Newb, but all phones are different, I have a HTC Legend, and know all about that one, ditto for my Asus Transformer, both are rooted with CWM recovery, but only once I worked out what the pros and cons are.

If youve bought one sim-free (and thus unbranded, good call) then you should (as of, like, yesterday, good timing) be able to root without unlocking the bootloader (see this thread for how).
Thus the only reason for you to unlock the bootloader would be when you want to install a custom rom, and if youre running a custom rom youre not really going to be wanting OTA updates blatted on top of them
As far as getting OTA updates when rooted - so far OTA updates have worked fine on rooted arcs (and have maintained root). But, with this new rooting method we dont yet know what the outcome would be with an OTA update. However, when 4.0 rolls around you should still be able to flash it via SEUS unless youve also unlocked the bootloader, which stops SEUS from working. Also - if you do unlock the bootloader DO NOT ACCEPT any OTA updates, this can brick the phone.

Thanks, for the moment, i'll hold off unlocking the bootloader, accept OTA updates and then root it (or should I root it for and then update?)
The unlocking of the bootloader is only really of use when SE stop supporting the phone....

CrazyPeter said:
The unlocking of the bootloader is only really of use when SE stop supporting the phone....
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Not really, even while SE continue to support the handset, some people will always prefer to be able to flash custom ROMs - CM7 offers a lot of nice features, some of which Google have actually copied in ICS.

Imo the arc s is a very good phone that needn't be rooted or boot loader unlocked unless you want themed or roms. Now if there was a mod for the stock camera app to give lower compression images, I'd root straight away.
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The reason I root is so I can use AdFree and MyBackup Pro , which both require root, there are also some other handy root-required apps....
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LOADS of reasons to root.
Crapware removal, titanium backup, drocap2, button saviour, root explorer, SE panorama app, appwidgetpicker, transparent dock... the list goes on.
However, not everyone needs/wants these things. Horses for courses innit?

[Q] Unlocking Bootloader and Rooting

Hey guys, sorry if this has already been answered somewhere else but I couldn't find it anywhere.
I bought a Galaxy Nexus a couple weeks ago and am loving it (except for battery life) and am interested in rooting it. But I have a few questions first:
1. What is the difference between unlocking the bootloader and rooting a phone. I know what unlocking a bootloader is, but I don't know much about rooting.
2. If I unlock and root, will I still be able to get updates from Google directly wihtout issues? Like, will I get the 4.0.3 update whenever it comes out even if I'm rooted?
3. Will my warranty be voided if I unlock the bootloader?
4. And if I do root it, what ROMs do you guys suggest I use? Which ones are the smoothest in performance and give the best battery life and customizations etc?
5. There is a new unlock/root tool made for the SGN, shown here: droid-life.com /2012/01/04/simple-galaxy-nexus-lte-rootunlock-and-unrootre-lock-tool-released/
Is it as effective as unlocking and rooting manually or does it have some drawbacks since it does everything for you automatically? BTW, thanks to whoever made that tool.
I know these are dumb questions but I'm new at this, so please bear with me. Thanks for any help in advance!

Peesashiz said:
Hey guys, sorry if this has already been answered somewhere else but I couldn't find it anywhere.
I bought a Galaxy Nexus a couple weeks ago and am loving it (except for battery life) and am interested in rooting it. But I have a few questions first:
1. What is the difference between unlocking the bootloader and rooting a phone. I know what unlocking a bootloader is, but I don't know much about rooting.
2. If I unlock and root, will I still be able to get updates from Google directly wihtout issues? Like, will I get the 4.0.3 update whenever it comes out even if I'm rooted?
3. Will my warranty be voided if I unlock the bootloader?
4. And if I do root it, what ROMs do you guys suggest I use? Which ones are the smoothest in performance and give the best battery life and customizations etc?
5. There is a new unlock/root tool made for the SGN, shown here: droid-life.com /2012/01/04/simple-galaxy-nexus-lte-rootunlock-and-unrootre-lock-tool-released/
Is it as effective as unlocking and rooting manually or does it have some drawbacks since it does everything for you automatically? BTW, thanks to whoever made that tool.
I know these are dumb questions but I'm new at this, so please bear with me. Thanks for any help in advance!
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1) I have an app called All About Root which should answer the majority of all basic questions and even some advanced technical ones regarding root.
2) Yes, if you're still on stock and dont change/modify any of the stock apk/framework files. Once the OTA update finishes, root access will be removed and a stock recovery will be reloaded. Will have to fastboot flash the custom recovery back and set the permissions back on root (permissions are a topic in All About Root)
3) Depends on who is covering the warranty or another way to put it, who/where/how device was purchased.
5) I would always recommend learning the manual method. Once you load the android-sdk, which is needed for many customizations, the unlock is a simple command and learning adb/fastboot will be very useful in the future for most operations.
Hope that helps! I'm sure others will chime in with their opinions and experiences to cover any gaps I might have missed. Good luck!

1) Unlocking allows you to modify the kernel and flash custom roms. Rooting allows you root access to the OS. Root is the equivalent of an admin in windows, but in the context of android it gives you write access to the full device. Basically it allows you to access lower level system functions (ie droidwall is a gui for iptables which is a firewall).
2)My understanding is that if you unlock and root, you'll be running a custom recovery (clockwork). I'm not sure if that means you won't see the OTA or if it'll just revert to stock or it may not work at all. Perhaps someone else can explain, but frankly when you get to #4 I don't see any reason why OTA updates are relevant.
3) I think the bootload can be relocked so even if it does void the warranty it can be reversed. Whether or not they can tell that it has been unlocked I don't know, and if they wanted to find a reason to deny a warranty I'm sure they could find one whether or not it's unlocked. I'd be surprised if they denied it though since the nexus devices are important because they can be unlocked.
4) I've used Axiom pretty much since the day after I got my phone. Most of them are all the same 4.0.3 core just various modifications to 'improve' the experience. The one other rom I'd look at is kang's because it's based on CM9. Kernels are another issue from there - I've liked both leankernel and franco's. Note that you should check out the forums over at rootzwiki as their dev area seems more active than around here. The kernel is the main source of battery and performance boosts.
5) I would recommend attempting it manually. The most difficult part imo is getting the drivers installed and the device recognized by adb. From there it's just executing a single line to unlocked. Unlocking will wipe your data. I'll say it again...unlocking will wipe your data. I used superboot myself, but if you're going to a custom rom then getting root access is really only needed temporarily to get clockwork installed - any custom rom has root access already. Here's a link to superboot. I *think* you just execute it from your computer (its a batch file) and it will root the device for you. I'm not sure if it installs clockworkmod so the first thing you should do after booting is download rom manager and reflash recovery to be sure. Then you can use clockworkmod to move to a rom.
Happy flashing.

Galaxy Nexus Rooting questions

Hi,
I have a couple of questions regarding rooting my verizon galaxy nexus. I'm now on 4.0.4. Judging from what I read on the forums, it used to be possible to root the phone without unlocking the bootloader in 4.0.2. Now this exploit has been patched?
In addition, suppose we were able to root 4.0.4 without unlock, is it possible to run new roms/kernels? The reason I am hesitant to unlock is that I've been stock for a long time, and don't really want to lose all the data on the phone right now.
I heard Wugfresh's toolkit is able to fully backup the phone, but does this preserve everything as it is now, without root, so that after unlock, I could get all this data back?
Thanks

rajsris said:
In addition, suppose we were able to root 4.0.4 without unlock, is it possible to run new roms/kernels?
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New custom roms/kernels, no.
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rajsris said:
I have a couple of questions regarding rooting my verizon galaxy nexus. I'm now on 4.0.4. Judging from what I read on the forums, it used to be possible to root the phone without unlocking the bootloader in 4.0.2. Now this exploit has been patched?
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No, you need to unlock.
In addition, suppose we were able to root 4.0.4 without unlock, is it possible to run new roms/kernels? The reason I am hesitant to unlock is that I've been stock for a long time, and don't really want to lose all the data on the phone right now.
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No.
I heard Wugfresh's toolkit is able to fully backup the phone, but does this preserve everything as it is now, without root, so that after unlock, I could get all this data back?
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You can do an ADB backup and restore. Requires the full SDK and it takes a while but it works with relatively high success.

Any reason NOT to root brand new GNEX?

I'm receiving a new Galaxy Nexus in the mail today. I'm new to the Android world but this site has been extremely helpful in explaining the capabilitys of this OS. Since I've never used Android I don't completely understand the pros/cons to rooting my device. A lot of posts say "you have to do it to understand the benefits" or something of that nature. I understand that once you root you can change your ROM, kernel, navigate all file folders, use certain apps that require superuser access, etc. As of now, I'm not sure I'd want to do any of that. I may want to in the future when I see some limitations that could be bypassed by rooting, but for now I would like to keep the stock ROM, kernel, etc.
It's possible to keep everything stock when rooted, correct? So it would function the same as a stock device but would have the potential to be modified later. If an updated Android OS version is released, can I download and install it the same as anyone with an unrooted stock device?
Is there any disadvantage to rooting? Why would anyone NOT root their device? I'm just thinking that if I'd do it eventually, I might as well do it right now when there are no valuable files/apps/etc. that I'd have to worry about backing up.

People often root to flash aosp roms otherwise not available on htc or galaxy s phones
Aosp also in many cases gave better battery life than their skinned cousins
But on nexus phones and jelly bean I don't see much of one other than to experiment or to use addons like roms such as codename android and baked bean give
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The main reason I root is for Titanium Backup. That is probably the only way to migrate apps (with data) from one device to another.
Also nandroid (Clockworkmod Recovery) backup is useful if you want to experiment with different ROMs and can restore stock and apps easily.
On a side note: Don't like CWM 6 when backup creates a huge BLOB directory structure. Not convenient to backup your backup to PC.

Backups
Free Tethering
Block ads
etc

Tethering is enabled already. Ah u probably must be talking about the us version. I have the international one.
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I root for Paranoid Android and Titanium Backup. Two things I can't be without once getting used to them.
But really. Installing Titanium Backup almost feels like a necessity on Any phone to freeze/backup apps detach them from market etc.

I appreciate the responses but you guys aren't really answering my questions...
It's possible to keep everything stock when rooted, correct?
If an updated Android OS version is released, can I download and install it the same as anyone with an unrooted stock device?
Is there any disadvantage to rooting? Why would anyone NOT root their device?

bchaney16 said:
I appreciate the responses but you guys aren't really answering my questions...
It's possible to keep everything stock when rooted, correct?
If an updated Android OS version is released, can I download and install it the same as anyone with an unrooted stock device?
Is there any disadvantage to rooting? Why would anyone NOT root their device?
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Yes you can be stock & rooted. Root by itself will not affect an OTA. The only reason to root is if YOU gain something. If your phone dose everything you want without root then there is no reason to root.

bchaney16 said:
I appreciate the responses but you guys aren't really answering my questions...
It's possible to keep everything stock when rooted, correct?
If an updated Android OS version is released, can I download and install it the same as anyone with an unrooted stock device?
Is there any disadvantage to rooting? Why would anyone NOT root their device?
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Yes u can stay stock and rooted.
If u root and take an update you will most likely loose root or you will have to unroot before u can take the update. One of the 2.
Biggest disadvantage is that it voids warranty. But no big deal if u no how to go back to stock.
People that don't root probably don't because they don't how, are scared to and/or they don't want to void that precious warranty.
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bchaney16 said:
I appreciate the responses but you guys aren't really answering my questions...
1. It's possible to keep everything stock when rooted, correct?
2. If an updated Android OS version is released, can I download and install it the same as anyone with an unrooted stock device?
3. Is there any disadvantage to rooting? Why would anyone NOT root their device?
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1. Yes
2. Yes. Though root disappears if you update officially OTA. So then you need to re-root. If you would also unlock bootloader and install CWM you can not update OTA.
3. Umm. I guess some manufacturers claims that warranty is void when rooting. That's pretty much the only not-to reason I can think of. If rooted only and don't "use it" you won't even notice you're rooted.

bchaney16 said:
I'm just thinking that if I'd do it eventually, I might as well do it right now when there are no valuable files/apps/etc. that I'd have to worry about backing up.
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It's unlocking the bootlaoder (fastbbot oem unlock) that will (not Play Store devices) wipe the device, not rooting (though the easiest way to root is to unlock the bootloader).

Ok I think its becoming more clear now.
I ordered mine unlocked from the Play Store. Does that mean the bootloader is already unlocked?
How often does an OTA come out anyway?

bchaney16 said:
Ok I think its becoming more clear now.
I ordered mine unlocked from the Play Store. Does that mean the bootloader is already unlocked?
How often does an OTA come out anyway?
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No, that refers to SIM unlocked, not tied to a specific carrier.
[REF] efrant's "Android for Galaxy Nexus" 101 & FAQs
If your new to Android this is a good place to start getting acquainted with the terminoligy & procedures

Right, I know it is carrier unlocked. So a Play Store GNEX still has a locked bootloader but unlocking it does not erase your files...
If that's the case I guess there's no downside to waiting until I see a good reason to unlock and root. I was thinking that I should do this on my brand new phone so that it wouldn't have any files on it that I'd need to backup. It sounds like I wouldn't have to worry about backing up regardless.

The only reason I can think of to unlock the bootloader straight away (& it's arguably a good one) ...
If for some reason your phone won't boot into android you could fastboot boot a custom recovery & have adb access to pull files from the virtual sdcard.

Rooting is the best thing to happen to Android phones. Do it.
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bchaney16 said:
Right, I know it is carrier unlocked. So a Play Store GNEX still has a locked bootloader but unlocking it does not erase your files...
If that's the case I guess there's no downside to waiting until I see a good reason to unlock and root. I was thinking that I should do this on my brand new phone so that it wouldn't have any files on it that I'd need to backup. It sounds like I wouldn't have to worry about backing up regardless.
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Yes it will. Unlocking the bootloader via fastboot oem unlock will erase /sdcard. Does not matter if you get if from the play store or not. But like you said, if the device is brand new it doesn't matter anyway.
Side note: recently an exploit is discovered that allows to gain root without unlocking the bootloader. And if you have root, you can unlock/lock the bootloader at will without losing data. Follow the link in my signature for more info.

Petrovski80 said:
Yes it will. Unlocking the bootloader via fastboot oem unlock will erase /sdcard. Does not matter if you get if from the play store or not. But like you said, if the device is brand new it doesn't matter anyway.
Side note: recently an exploit is discovered that allows to gain root without unlocking the bootloader. And if you have root, you can unlock/lock the bootloader at will without losing data. Follow the link in my signature for more info.
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There were numerous reports that Play Store phones did NOT wipe all data when the bootloader was unlocked, I know mine didn't

3rdstring said:
There were numerous reports that Play Store phones did NOT wipe all data when the bootloader was unlocked, I know mine didn't
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Was your /sdcard partition untouched after oem unlock?

Petrovski80 said:
Was your /sdcard partition untouched after oem unlock?
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Yes, the data partition was untouched. All my apps & sdcard data was still there.
[DISCUSSION] Google Play Nexus not wiping after Bootloader Unlock

Thinking about rooting - need some advice

Hey all!
First Nexus device ever here, and I'm loving it! I've long been an amateur tinkerer with Android things (I've been through the Droid X, Bionic, Razr, Razr Maxx, and currently rocking the SGS3; Tablet wise I've had the OG Nook Color pimped out with Cyanogenmod, the HP Touchpad with Android, and more recently an Asus TF201 Transformer Prime).
Needless to say, I'm not completely useless with this type of stuff! I am, however, a little curious as to the rooting / unlocking process.
1) It looks like you need to unlock to root this device? Just double checking because that's new to me. (yes, I already know you lose your data if you do)
2) If I unlock / root but don't change the system files other than the custom recovery, can I still flash the OTAs when they come? I am not currently interested in a custom ROM, and I know I won't actually be PROMPTED for the OTAs if I have a custom recovery, but can I simply sideload the official update .zip and install via TWRP? Or is that impossible? I also understand Voodoo would be necessary (or re-rooting if Voodoo doesn't work on the update)
3) If 2 is impossible, what is the procedure to install official updates while rooted / unlocked?
Sorry for all the questions! Any help is appreciated

Yes. Unlock is needed. But it is sooo easy on Nexus: fastboot oem unlock
Now, with OTAs, I would stick with a stock deodex or odex ROM and just update when your dev updates. Trust me, saves a lot of headache.
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swagstr said:
Yes. Unlock is needed. But it is sooo easy on Nexus: fastboot oem unlock
Now, with OTAs, I would stick with a stock deodex or odex ROM and just update when your dev updates. Trust me, saves a lot of headache.
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Thanks for the quick response! See the thing was, I didn't want to have to have to flash a ROM because I like how quickly Nexus devices get updated and I'm worried it'll be delayed by that process.. I'm not even certain I need to root yet anyway haha..My phone is rooted (mostly for hotspot, wireless adb, etc.), but I've yet to come across a compelling reason to root the N7 in the first place. Can anyone offer some examples?

SJonesGSO said:
Thanks for the quick response! See the thing was, I didn't want to have to have to flash a ROM because I like how quickly Nexus devices get updated and I'm worried it'll be delayed by that process.. I'm not even certain I need to root yet anyway haha..My phone is rooted (mostly for hotspot, wireless adb, etc.), but I've yet to come across a compelling reason to root the N7 in the first place. Can anyone offer some examples?
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Titanium backup. Adblockers. Etc. If you don't got a reason to root. Don't

Here's my Nexus 7 rooting notes (I use fedora linux on my system and root from there):
http://home.comcast.net/~tomhorsley/hardware/nexus7/hacking.html

you are always safe with nexus
all nexus devices have stock images located on google's site and they are flashable in fastboot so you will never be outdated only these methods you will lose your data my suggestion is with whatever you do in your tinkering is back up everything just to be safe and make data recovery a breeze good luck

albundy2010 said:
Titanium backup. Adblockers. Etc. If you don't got a reason to root. Don't
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I don't use Titanium Backup, and I don't use adblockers on principal (I'm an app developer and make most of my revenue from ad clicks).
At this point, I'm thinking I'm just not going to go through the trouble if I can't think of a specific reason to. Thanks everyone.

There is plenty of ways to root and unlock with AIO's out there but there is no point of really doing it at this moment as there is not that much development for N7-2

I would suggest you do the unlock, even if you don't plan on using custom recovery or rooting at this time.
Otherwise if you find something where you need root or custom recovery for in the future, you'll end up wiping your data then, after everything is set up and you've installed your apps.
Unlocking won't affect your ability to receive OTAs and neither will installing root.
Custom recovery can affect your ability to receive OTAs, but you actually don't need to install custom recovery to root. You can just temporarily boot into twrp or cwm (ie don't write the custom recovery onto your phone) and run the update.zip for SuperSU. Use fastboot boot twrp.img to do a one-time boot into custom recovery.