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[Q] official Android 2.2: real changes & limitations? (vs. 2.1 & custom 2.2-ROM's)
Hi!,
I'm thinking about buying the Motorola Defy and putting Android 2.2 on it (I want/need 2.2). Now that the official 2.2-release is available, I'm wondering about the advantages and limitations of it in comparison to the custom builds available here.
I know about possible warranty limitations of rooting the device, the possibility to tweak it much more through rooted/custom-builds (e.g. extreme overclocking and total deletion of bloatware) but can someone help me with the following questions?
I'm not intrested in extreme overclocking, but I am intrested in aiming at high achievable performance under stable/safe and 'easy'/every-day conditions.
I'm quite computer literate (extensive software user for scientific research, some programming,...), but it would be my first smartphone, so the questions might seem dumb. Sorry! :
-What's the real performance gain of the official 2.2 (compared to 2.1 and/or custom ROM's)? (I find loads of benchmarks of OC'd 2.2-custom ROMs and of the official 2.1, but not of the official 2.2)
-Is it possible to overclock (for performance) and/or underclock (for battery) the official 2.2 to some extend (without rooting), e.g. from within 2.2 or Motorola's software or with an app?
-Is it easy to really shut down all the bloatware with the official 2.2? (Not necessarily deleting it, but at least not letting it run in the background and slowing down the device)
-Is it possible to use another keyboard (software/app), without rooting it?
These might seem questions not related to custom 2.2-builds and XDA, but I think any insights from people who know both 'worlds' might be very welcome. It might help me see (1) if I will by the Defy and (2), if so, if I would root it or just do the official 2.2-update.
As such, other insights on why I should or shouldn't go the official vs. rooted 2.2-way are always welcome!
thanks in advance!!!
bblubb said:
-What's the real performance gain of the official 2.2 (compared to 2.1 and/or custom ROM's)? (I find loads of benchmarks of OC'd 2.2-custom ROMs and of the official 2.1, but not of the official 2.2)
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Dunno. The people who do the benchmarking are usually the same who mod their phones to the max.
-Is it possible to overclock (for performance) and/or underclock (for battery) the official 2.2 to some extend (without rooting), e.g. from within 2.2 or Motorola's software or with an app?
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No. Apps that change the clock speed need root access.
-Is it easy to really shut down all the bloatware with the official 2.2? (Not necessarily deleting it, but at least not letting it run in the background and slowing down the device)
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Freeze the bloatware with Titanium. You'll need to root your phone, but you can defrost frozen apps if you want them to run again.
-Is it possible to use another keyboard (software/app), without rooting it?
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Yes.
I'm not intrested in extreme overclocking, but I am intrested in aiming at high achievable performance under stable/safe and 'easy'/every-day conditions.
I'm quite computer literate (extensive software user for scientific research, some programming,...), but it would be my first smartphone, so the questions might seem dumb. Sorry! :
The default settings of the Defy makes it a battery hog... Default settings are something like 30/300, 48/600, 58/800.. i use 20/300, 40/700, 58/1100... for the same amount of usage my phone last about 3 times longer... And this from someone whose 1st Android device is the Defy...
The principles of OCing a Mobile CPU is same as Ocing a Computer CPU...
-What's the real performance gain of the official 2.2 (compared to 2.1 and/or custom ROM's)? (I find loads of benchmarks of OC'd 2.2-custom ROMs and of the official 2.1, but not of the official 2.2)
A noticeable gain... Apps open up way faster as well since custom ROM's are devoid of any bloatware... And I am talking about real world performance not benchmarks (Though I'd like to say here that my Quadrant score is 1550+ on a Custom ROM and 1100+ on stock 2.2)
-Is it possible to overclock (for performance) and/or underclock (for battery) the official 2.2 to some extend (without rooting), e.g. from within 2.2 or Motorola's software or with an app?
No it is not, Overclocking apps require Root access...
-Is it easy to really shut down all the bloatware with the official 2.2? (Not necessarily deleting it, but at least not letting it run in the background and slowing down the device)
Titanium back up is the easiest way, any easier than we'd have had 200+ different ROMs and not 10....
-Is it possible to use another keyboard (software/app), without rooting it?
Yes, there are some available..
These might seem questions not related to custom 2.2-builds and XDA, but I think any insights from people who know both 'worlds' might be very welcome. It might help me see (1) if I will by the Defy and (2), if so, if I would root it or just do the official 2.2-update.
As such, other insights on why I should or shouldn't go the official vs. rooted 2.2-way are always welcome!
it is something like having a Core i7 2600K. You can let it be the way it is at 3.4 GHz and it'll still be fast... But add a custom cooler, water bloc maybe and the same chip will do 5 GHz... and still last you the same period of time... Choice is but yours how do you wan it to be...
thanks a lot for the input!!
I suspected that benchmarks would rather be made by uers that tweak and overclock their device, but I was hoping on the need for comparison-benchmark, helping me to chose whether to root or not
A quadrant-score of 1100 on the stock-2.2 doesn't seem bad. (I'm not to familiar with quadrant-benchmarks, as I don't own a smartphone yet (!) , but from memory, it seems quite higher than the benchmark scores I saw on stock 2.1.)
It's such a pitty that even underclocking (and/or limited overclocking) isn't possible without rooting . Does that mean that I also need to install another firmware, or can I 'root' (as 'unlock') the firmware to make (limited) under/overclocking possible with the original firmware?
What's the difference between using Titanium and using LauncherPro to cancel the unwanted lags due to bloatware? (I suspect that Titanium deletes the apps, while LauncherPro shuts them off/don't let them launch on start-up. Is this correct? Beside freeing up more space, does Titanium than also speeds up things more than LauncherPro?)
Sorry for the many questions!
ow! Strangely enough, checking the Quadrant-results for the Defy on the stock-Android 2.1 without overclocking, I found values around 1050-1150 ( on smartphonebenchmarks.com )
That would mean the official 2.2-update doesn't improve anything on the speed-level :s
Am I missing something? I read that Android 2.2 was faster than 2.1.
Android 2.2 is definitely faster. The differences are well documented.
Improved performance
Performance of the browser has been enhanced using the V8 engine, which enables faster loading of JavaScript-heavy pages.
Dalvik Performance Boost: 2x-5x performance speedup for CPU-heavy code over Android 2.1 with Dalvik JIT.
The graph to the right shows the performance speedup from Android 2.1 to Android 2.2 using various benchmark tests. For example, LinPack is now more than 5 times faster.
Kernel Memory Management Boost: Improved memory reclaim by up to 20x, which results in faster app switching and smoother performance on memory-constrained devices.
bblubb said:
What's the difference between using Titanium and using LauncherPro to cancel the unwanted lags due to bloatware? (I suspect that Titanium deletes the apps, while LauncherPro shuts them off/don't let them launch on start-up. Is this correct? Beside freeing up more space, does Titanium than also speeds up things more than LauncherPro?)
Sorry for the many questions!
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Launchers like launcher pro are just a graphical interface for your home screens. They don't stop bloatware from starting up.
Titanium can delete them. Better yet, it can freeze them. This makes the system thinks they're gone, but you can easily unfreeze them. Installing official updates can break if the bloatware is gone, so freezing is safer.
Rooting the phone is a trivial task. I don't understand why are you even bothering about it. For most people is a single click and voila!, rooted phone!.
Furthermore, you can unroot, or flash a new ROM, and revert to the state the phone was when you bought it.
Right now it's more difficult to overclok than to root the phone or flash a ROM... and overclocking itself is easy enough...
Sorry. I thought rooting was a one-way-only ride, cancelling e.g. the warranty.
But I might have mistaken 'rooting' as such, with some specific custom-ROMs which cannot be rolled-back.
If rooting + freezing bloatware with Titanium is enough to make the official 2.2 be a lot more productive than the original 2.1, and still keeping it possible to run all official updates, I might just go that way.
Than only will I see if I would like to further over/underclock it and/or put a custom-ROM or not.
From what I read, the Defy is quite powerfull in itself, when cancelling the bloatware. Whith 2.2 on it, I might do it without overclocking. Maybe rather underclock it sometimes if that might help increase battery-life when it's not in intensive use.
I read quite some articles and posts comparing Android 2.1 with 2.2, convincing me 100% I wanted Android 2.2. I'm just confused about their (stock)-results on the Defy, but that might be due to the very-very low amount of tests/benchmarks of both stock-ROMs on the Defy.
Thanks a lot for all the info!!
Hello all,
I am the owner of a rooted xperia play with stock rom.
I've installed link2sd so that I can save some ram and space: moved most of my apps on the SD card, and deleted some unwanted native apps (Bruce Lee, Fifa, etc...) and "freezed" the others I did not dare to delete.
But this is not enough for me to play games like GTA III and Dead Trigger smoothly, even with a task killer and airplane mode set on. I suffer from many lags while playing greedy games.
I've done some researches on this forum and found some potential solutions:
- Using boosting apps like: gamebooster, ram manager pro, chainfire 3D pro, etc...
- Overclock the processor up to 1,6ghz with setCPU or other apps.
-Increase SD card performance and optimize ram as explained below:
Increase SD card performance
1. Navigate to /sys/devices/virtual/bdi/179:0 folder in your Xperia Play
2. Press and hold on the read_ahead_kb file. This action will pop out a new menu.
3. Choose Open With Text Editor option
4. Change the current value to 1024
5. Save your changes and exit
Optimize RAM
1. Grab the Juwe_Update18082011_RAM_Script.zip
2. Extract the file and put it on your SD card
3. Launch the Root Explorer
4. Navigate to /system/etc/
5. Create a new folder, named it as init.d
6. Copy the S97ramscript file into that folder
7. Set the perms of S97ramscript file to rwxrwxrwx
What is your advice? Can I use safely one (or several) of those solutions? What are the risks? Which solution is really effective and will allow me to play demanding games?
My xperia play is still under warranty so I don't want to lose it. Which means I don't want to try custom roms or custom kernels... Until my warranty ends.
Thanks for your help!
Well, the biggest performance boost, overclocking, requires a custom kernel. Not much else really makes a huge difference
Also, I believe using the init.d directory requires a custom kernel as well
Why not just use v6 supercharger?
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Why not just use v6 supercharger?
Sent from my R800x using xda premium
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Did not know about this one...
It has a lot of success judging from the number of pages in the official v6 Supercharger thread...
But seems a bit complicated to me. Does it really works? Have you noticed some improvements in your performances?
More importantly, does it preserve the phone's warranty? I've read somewhere that it can be uninstalled so I guess so, but I'd like a confimation first.
Thanks for your help.
Look, the amount of times I have seen this type of thread open is astounding I would like to point that you use gingerbread any version (2.3.7 Moded to look like rom) and a custom kernel such as Doomlords etc. Supercharge or use a rom like Dike's. You only get best performance with using less apps, rebooting the phone before playing a game, task killers, clean your cache, installing phone eco friendly apps and use a governer for your preference!
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cityhunter62 said:
Did not know about this one...
It has a lot of success judging from the number of pages in the official v6 Supercharger thread...
But seems a bit complicated to me. Does it really works? Have you noticed some improvements in your performances?
More importantly, does it preserve the phone's warranty? I've read somewhere that it can be uninstalled so I guess so, but I'd like a confimation first.
Thanks for your help.
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No you wont because you have to root, rooting voids the warranty anyway but you can simply unroot after...
cityhunter62 said:
Did not know about this one...
It has a lot of success judging from the number of pages in the official v6 Supercharger thread...
But seems a bit complicated to me. Does it really works? Have you noticed some improvements in your performances?
More importantly, does it preserve the phone's warranty? I've read somewhere that it can be uninstalled so I guess so, but I'd like a confimation first.
Thanks for your help.
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I saw a vast improvement in my phone with V6. Its really easy. Just place the scirpt on your SDcard. Download script manager, then select the V6 script, check run as root, and hit go. Follow the on screen selection.
I did the following
512 HP super unleaded (Bulletproof home)
Nitro Lag nullifier
Seriously.... BIG difference in my phone. I could b playing a game and hit the home button.. BAM... there instant no lag no redraw, nothing just all there ready to go. Seriously cannot praise it enough.
nice..
Just to share my experience.
I've bought Ram Manager Pro finally.
I know it's probably not as effective as an overclock or V6 Supercharger, but I do not want to mess with the kernel, custom roms or scripts.
I'm running on stock gingerbread rooted, I've removed the bloatwares and I think it's enough modifications already. I don't want any bugs or troubles with stability so I don't want to modify the OS too much.
Anyway, I'm using Advanced Task Killer along with Ram Manager Pro... And it works! Really.
I was not able to play GTA because it was too laggy, but with Ram Manger Pro set on "Hard Gaming", I was able to improve the graphics (max details, dynamic shadows, 75% clipping and 80% resolution) and it plays rather nicely. It's not really smooth (not like 60 FPS) but it's far enough to be playable and enjoyable.
It wasn't without Ram Pro Manager. SO it's worth trying. Don't expect miracles but some gain in performances, surely.
Maybe I should try an alternative launcher as I heard it can improve performances as well... Any suggestions for a light and modest one?
Also, is there anyway to prevent Maps, Facebook, Crash bandicoot or Super Monkey Ball to start automatically even with task killer? I can understand (to a certain extent) that Maps and Facebook needs to start and connect, but Crash Bandicoot and Monkey Ball??? Seriously? WTF?
cityhunter62 said:
Just to share my experience.
I've bought Ram Manager Pro finally.
I know it's probably not as effective as an overclock or V6 Supercharger, but I do not want to mess with the kernel, custom roms or scripts.
I'm running on stock gingerbread rooted, I've removed the bloatwares and I think it's enough modifications already. I don't want any bugs or troubles with stability so I don't want to modify the OS too much.
Anyway, I'm using Advanced Task Killer along with Ram Manager Pro... And it works! Really.
I was not able to play GTA because it was too laggy, but with Ram Manger Pro set on "Hard Gaming", I was able to improve the graphics (max details, dynamic shadows, 75% clipping and 80% resolution) and it plays rather nicely. It's not really smooth (not like 60 FPS) but it's far enough to be playable and enjoyable.
It wasn't without Ram Pro Manager. SO it's worth trying. Don't expect miracles but some gain in performances, surely.
Maybe I should try an alternative launcher as I heard it can improve performances as well... Any suggestions for a light and modest one?
Also, is there anyway to prevent Maps, Facebook, Crash bandicoot or Super Monkey Ball to start automatically even with task killer? I can understand (to a certain extent) that Maps and Facebook needs to start and connect, but Crash Bandicoot and Monkey Ball??? Seriously? WTF?
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Try Autostarts to disable apps from running automatically
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Install custom ROM like Xperia NXT and get Bloatware remover by fma965 = SMALL SPEED BOOST
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Hi I'm rooted and have an unlocked bootloader (CM9 RC2 with included FXP kernel). Now I'm wondering if there's any other tweaks I can do, I've heard some people talk about superchargeV6? and SmartassV2? They're suppose to improve RAM from what I understand? When I was on android 2.3.3 games and emulators ran pretty smooth, on CM9 (ICS) they're not too bad but I've noticed a bit more lag from time to time. I'm wondering if one of those RAM enhancers would help in my case. Also, are they safe? I haven't overclocked my CPU because I heard it decreases the over all lifespan of your device. I currently have 306MB of free memory on my phones internal memory ( I still have a few apps to move over btw ) and my RAM is at 177MB free. IDK if there's anything I can do to boost internal memory but surely the RAM can be improved correct? And lastly are there any files or folders on my phones internal memory I don't need? I've noticed a slight change when using Androzip (file manager) on 2.3.3 it went from "/" to "/sdcard". Now it goes from "/" to "/mnt" to "/mnt/sdcard" why is this? Is this ok?? Just some small change I noticed ( perhaps this happened when my bootloader got unlocked? ) If someone could answer these questions and guide me in the right direction it would be much appreciated.
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Xperia Player said:
Hi I'm rooted and have an unlocked bootloader (CM9 RC2 with included FXP kernel). Now I'm wondering if there's any other tweaks I can do, I've heard some people talk about superchargeV6? and SmartassV2? They're suppose to improve RAM from what I understand? When I was on android 2.3.3 games and emulators ran pretty smooth, on CM9 (ICS) they're not too bad but I've noticed a bit more lag from time to time. I'm wondering if one of those RAM enhancers would help in my case. Also, are they safe? I haven't overclocked my CPU because I heard it decreases the over all lifespan of your device. I currently have 306MB of free memory on my phones internal memory ( I still have a few apps to move over btw ) and my RAM is at 177MB free. IDK if there's anything I can do to boost internal memory but surely the RAM can be improved correct? And lastly are there any files or folders on my phones internal memory I don't need? I've noticed a slight change when using Androzip (file manager) on 2.3.3 it went from "/" to "/sdcard". Now it goes from "/" to "/mnt" to "/mnt/sdcard" why is this? Is this ok?? Just some small change I noticed ( perhaps this happened when my bootloader got unlocked? ) If someone could answer these questions and guide me in the right direction it would be much appreciated.
-Thanks
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yes you can use v6 supercharger its easy and makes phone faster and xperia tweat app from here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1385236:good:
Xperia Player said:
Hi I'm rooted and have an unlocked bootloader (CM9 RC2 with included FXP kernel). Now I'm wondering if there's any other tweaks I can do, I've heard some people talk about superchargeV6? and SmartassV2? They're suppose to improve RAM from what I understand? When I was on android 2.3.3 games and emulators ran pretty smooth, on CM9 (ICS) they're not too bad but I've noticed a bit more lag from time to time. I'm wondering if one of those RAM enhancers would help in my case. Also, are they safe? I haven't overclocked my CPU because I heard it decreases the over all lifespan of your device. I currently have 306MB of free memory on my phones internal memory ( I still have a few apps to move over btw ) and my RAM is at 177MB free. IDK if there's anything I can do to boost internal memory but surely the RAM can be improved correct? And lastly are there any files or folders on my phones internal memory I don't need? I've noticed a slight change when using Androzip (file manager) on 2.3.3 it went from "/" to "/sdcard". Now it goes from "/" to "/mnt" to "/mnt/sdcard" why is this? Is this ok?? Just some small change I noticed ( perhaps this happened when my bootloader got unlocked? ) If someone could answer these questions and guide me in the right direction it would be much appreciated.
-Thanks
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V6Supercharger is a script-based application that changes some settings in your phone, some of which tell Android how to pick which apps stay running and when to kill other services. Very useful and has just been updated to work better with Jellybean, if that's of any interest to anyone (other than me, that is).
smartassV2 is a cpu governor, and depending on which kernel you're using (FXP, Mjolnir, LuPuS), you may or may not have this option. smartassv2 is just one of the many options available, but the cpu governor doesn't affect your ram at all, it just affects how quickly or slowly your cpu will speed up and slow down, and when it decides that it needs to change speed.
As far as overclocking, yes, if you keep your phone clocked too high, it could damage your phone. However, given the lifespan of current phones (with newer, better ones released every few months), it's not likely that you'll cause drastic, irreparable damage to your phone should you overclock to, say, 1.1 or 1.2GHz. You could even use an app like SetCPU where the max speed can be changed based on what app is running, what time of day, certain activities you do, etc. Overclocking is just like anything else: All good things in moderation.
lightningdude said:
V6Supercharger is a script-based application that changes some settings in your phone, some of which tell Android how to pick which apps stay running and when to kill other services. Very useful and has just been updated to work better with Jellybean, if that's of any interest to anyone (other than me, that is).
smartassV2 is a cpu governor, and depending on which kernel you're using (FXP, Mjolnir, LuPuS), you may or may not have this option. smartassv2 is just one of the many options available, but the cpu governor doesn't affect your ram at all, it just affects how quickly or slowly your cpu will speed up and slow down, and when it decides that it needs to change speed.
As far as overclocking, yes, if you keep your phone clocked too high, it could damage your phone. However, given the lifespan of current phones (with newer, better ones released every few months), it's not likely that you'll cause drastic, irreparable damage to your phone should you overclock to, say, 1.1 or 1.2GHz. You could even use an app like SetCPU where the max speed can be changed based on what app is running, what time of day, certain activities you do, etc. Overclocking is just like anything else: All good things in moderation.
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So given my situation, what specifically would you do to tweak the phones performance?
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V6 supercharger is always nice. Beyond that, I don't know, I've been running ics or jellybean for a while now, I'm used to low ram.
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lightningdude said:
V6 supercharger is always nice. Beyond that, I don't know, I've been running ics or jellybean for a while now, I'm used to low ram.
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Will V6 supercharge increase my RAM and help games and emulators run better?
Xperia Player said:
Will V6 supercharge increase my RAM and help games and emulators run better?
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The V6 Supercharger script just tries to use RAM more efficiently. It loads more things into RAM and prioritizes processes such as the launcher above less important processes. Most people experience more fluidity in the UI, mostly when switching tasks or returning to the home screen. Some people claim it helps gaming, though I've not experienced that. I suppose the more apps you have running, the more noticeable the effects will be
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The V6 Supercharger script just tries to use RAM more efficiently. It loads more things into RAM and prioritizes processes such as the launcher above less important processes. Most people experience more fluidity in the UI, mostly when switching tasks or returning to the home screen. Some people claim it helps gaming, though I've not experienced that. I suppose the more apps you have running, the more noticeable the effects will be
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so is it worth installing? or perhaps another rom. I'm looking for an even balance between features, internal memory, ram etc. Just an over all better experience : /
I know, many people here want to have Android 4.x.x on their phones, but unfortunately, because of low-end processor as well as less RAM, these CM10/CM10.1 ROMs are laggy and slow. I am also one of them, but, after using these type of roms since 4 months, I have now got a perfect idea of using them. So, I am sharing the way I use these roms. Many people told that this also helps for CM7 users. So, now I have declared this thread as UNIVERSAL PERFORMANCE THREAD. This method can be used on - Stock | CM7/9/10/10.1.
NOTE : This thread is mainly from galaxy mini forums. But, I have posted it here also, so that Gio users also get its benefits.
NOTE : This method is same for PAC ROMS.. because they are based on CM. So, you can use this on PAC ROMs also.
♦ FINDING STABLE VERSION :
First of all, you will need to find a good stable version of any CM7\CM9\CM10\CM10.1 ROM. Find stable version by asking in general discussion thread of those particular ROM and then download that version. But, do not flash now.. Follow next step.
Note : For CM7 users - Official CM7 is best, but if you want you can try it on custom roms also. If you are using CM7 custom or stock based custom rom, then for scripts n tweaks to work, you must delete all the scripts from init.d so that scripts will not get overridden.
♦ SLIMMING THE ROM :
Slimming means making rom size less by removing unwanted and unnecessary applications from system/app. It reduces system memory use. Here is a chart of cm10.1 apps which are safe to remove - LINK
With reference to that chart you should remove following apps with adding alternatives to them.
Note: Left side apps are to be removed and right side apps are alternatives.
● LatinIME.apk - WP7 Keyboard App
● Browser.apk - Holo Web Browser
● CMFileManager.apk - Root Explorer File Manager
● Trebuchet.apk - Holo Launcher
NOTE: On CM7, default ADW is good, but you can also use Holo Launcher.
Other apps that can be removed without alternatives-
● CalendarProvider.apk - One of the big RAM consuming apps. This app start anytime, you do anything, so it will be a big save of memory removing this app. But, you will get problems with calendar sync..
● GoogleCalendarSyncAdapter.apk - Reomove this only if you do not sync calendar.
● Email.apk - If not in use.
● Gmail.apk - If not in use.
● Talk.apk - If not in use.
● GoogleBackupTransport.apk - It is used in google backups, remove on your own risk. (Not a risk, i always remove it.)
● ChromeBookmarkSyncAdapter - No use.
● HTMLViewer.apk - Never needed.
● UserDictionaryProvider.apk - It is useless without LatinIME.apk.
● VisualizationWallpapers.apk - Wallpapers app. Remove it always.
● CMWallpapers - Remove it always.
● VoiceDialer.apk - Do you really use it?
● LiveWallpapers.apk - Dont you care for your battery?
● QuickSearchBox.apk - If you dont use.
● PicoTTS.apk - Text to speech function.
NOTE: Alternative apps should always be installed in system/app only. For that, I recommend you to remove these apps drectly from rom's zip before flashing.
♦ USE OF SCRIPTS N TWEAKS :
Many people use hard scripts n many tweaks to get good performance. But, it is totally wrong.
Highly recommended to use Activo Speeder. It is the best script for performance. Dont use anyother thing with it- such as ram manager, seeder or anyother script.
(Note: If the above script doesnt work on your device then please find another good script and flash it.)
IT IS RECOMMENDED TO USE SUPERCHARGER ON ICS\JB :
After testing a lot, I found that SuperCharger is the best script which can be used with any ROM to get more performance and for perfect RAM Management. Here are some steps on how to use SuperCharger -
● Here is the original thread for SuperCharger script.
● Script can be downloaded from this download page.
● Download latest script as well as starter package if needed (Read Original Thread).
● Now, for 4.x.x ROMs, you do not need to do anything with services.jar. But, for below 4.x.x, services.jar needs to be patched to get SuperCharger Memory Management working.
● Now, copy script to SDcard and run it with Script Manager as root. For more detailed guide plz prefer the original supercharger thread.
● Now, you are running the script. You will find many options and info on screen. Read it all and choose what you want.
NEW DISCOVERY : SUPERCHARGER + CROSSBREEDER = ULTIMATE PERFORMANCE WITH MAX ENTROPY ! - by Dark Passenger
● LINK FOR THE POST.
Here are some tweaks-
In Build.prop -
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Code:
ro.ril.disable.power.collapse=0
and change the value from 0 to 1. (Add the line with proper value if does not exist)
This one is for battery saving.
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Code:
dalvik.vm.heapgrowthlimit=48m
If it already exists then just match the values.
This is a VM Heap management for RAM.
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Code:
ro.ext4fs = 1
Improves EXT4 performance.
● IMP :
Add following lines below "# Other" in build.prop
Code:
ro.com.google.locationfeatures=0
ro.com.google.networklocation=0
(If exists, just change the values as above).
(Note: This one will remove location feature increasing performance freeing up more RAM. This frees up to 30mb of RAM)
And now remove NetworkLocation.apk from system/app as well as com.android.location.provider.jar from /system/framework.
For further build.prop tweaking, you can use this great guide -> Click Here. Thanks to Dark Passenger for some build.prop tweaks.
This much tweaking and scripting is enough. DONT USE TOO MUCH TWEAKS N SCRIPTS.
♦ BASIC APPS TO USE :
Your rom's performance also depends on the apps which you use. Always look for apps' memory usage and if the app consumes more ram then try to find an alternative app for it. Here are some basic apps which you should use (i always use them).
● Use Root Explorer as file manager, Holo Launcher as Launcher.
● Use Cache Cleaner App. It is must. Clean cache once a day.
● Use Root Cleaner App. A must have app. Do "Quick Cleaning" twice a day. It will regulate your performance.
You can also freeze the apps you are not using at that time, such as DSPManager (Unfreeze it only at the time of listening songs)
Freezing Google Apps will be a great way to reduce RAM consumption.
● Use this amazing app - Autostarts. This app controls the apps that start automatically in your phone. If you want settings which I use then PM me. I will tell you, how to use this app.
CLICK HERE FOR AUTOSTART APP SETTINGS
● ABOUT TASK KILLERS :
Using task killer is good but, it is also bad. Task killing is actually meaningless. Some apps never really get killed. They start again n again. So, use Autostarts instead task killers. But, here is a nice app for killing processes and freeing RAM. This is the original app. I have themed it to look good. Download it here.
Use it as a task killer, press menu button and include system processes and then start killing processes which are useless.
● Try to use apps as system apps.
● If you are using UC Browser then in its settings, check "Clear Data on Exit". If did, you will see UC will take less than 10mb but, if you wont do this, UC will take more than 15mb.
♦ IMPORTANT TIPS AND SETTINGS :
● Always flash rom with a clean wipe and proper flashing method.
● Do not flash gapps again if they are included in the rom.
● Do not flash internal memory scripts as they reduce performance.
● Use Adrenaline Boost. Boost once or twice a day. Boosting much will increase battery consumption.
● Use Root Cleaner app and freeze the apps which you are not using at that time. Freeze Google Play Store, Google Services Framework and other google apps which are always on. Unfreeze them when you want.
● The apps used for Backup purposes should not be installed always. Keep them in your sdcard and install them when you want and uninstall when done with them.
● Basic apps should always be in system/app.
● In Developer Options -
Set all animations scale to .5x
Set Background Process Limit to "Atmost 4 processes", if issues occur then set it back to "Standard Limit".
Enable "Kill App Back Button". Always use this feature to come out of the apps which do not really exit on pressing just back button.
● Do not expect much from our phone as it is not a high-end phone. Dont expect good battery life but, still to gain good battery life. Keep RAM free by using the ProcessKiller app as told above. I always get 170 mb RAM free.
● Do not charge battery until it gets discharged upto 10% or less. While charging do not remove it till it reaches 100% and 20 mins above that.
● Calibrate battery when needed.
● Avoid use of apps which are always running either in background or foreground.
● Press thanks. .
Thanks! I'm definetely going to try this out, even though I'm not running JB but ICS.
Deleting unneeded apps works on every Android version I think, and ActivoSpeeder works on ICS too, so I'm happy!
StiQuezNL said:
Thanks! I'm definetely going to try this out, even though I'm not running JB but ICS. Deleting unneeded apps works on every Android version I think, and ActivoSpeeder works on ICS too, so I'm happy!
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As I hv mentioned in the title.. this method is for all ROMs.. It is not needed that you should be running JB only.. it is for all...
Noobwithdumbquestions said:
this made everything a lot more laggy and gmail stopped syncing... Also takes about 3 times as long to boot.
No offence, but this is pretty terrible. And after doing some actual research a lot of the "tweaks" you talk about here are never proven effective and frowned upon by actual experts. Even in the article you linked the writer says that something like dalvik heapsize is not something you should or have to change.
I would advice anyone to NOT waste any time on this.
ps: the last part (under tips and settings) is actually some good advice, although the background process limit is not saved in CM10 (and the max.mem tweak doesnt work), so you'll need to do that everytime at startup
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please dude if you don't know how to tweak you can go i don't use this guide but it's a good one maybe you installed all those thing over a already tweaked rom, this guide if for clean stock, cm7/9/10/10.1
Nice guide...but I think you are wrong about the services.jar. You have to patch it when you use ICS or Jelly Bean, not on GB. And there is no Official CM7 on Gio.
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tcris45 said:
please dude if you don't know how to tweak you can go i don't use this guide but it's a good one maybe you installed all those thing over a already tweaked rom, this guide if for clean stock, cm7/9/10/10.1
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I applied it on a clean cm10.1 twice, had the same results, twice. I am not trying to talk down on someone elses work, but the fact is that some of the "tweaks" he talks about are never proven and often based on urban myths and the perception of people who applied them and saw improvement (placebo effect). fwiw, OP himself links to an article that busts some of the myths about tweaks, he tells people to apply...
So, maybe my device didnt start to lag more, in fact, it might have been more stable... however, setting the fs.file-max too big (as is one of the many things that activo script does) will make it less responsive, like there is a 100ms sleep between every action... I also experienced that with manual sysctl.
And some other tweaks that do work are still not great for everyone because they got other side effects that are not mentioned anywhere in this article. I got no idea why sync started giving errors and gmail stopped updating (twice) after these tweaks, but they did....
I am completely new to android, and should've done more research before blindly following some article that states to have some magical cure. But I am not new to linux and it seems this community suffers from the same kind of idiosyncrasies at the bottom end, where people constantly try to fix **** that isnt actually broken.
I'm talking about tweaks here obv, removing gapps. bloatware and lowering requirements for the OS is obv fine...
When someone's Gio lags, it's probably because they want to do stuff with it it's not made for, it's a slow device with minimal specs that does the pure core tasks as pda, phone, messenger and email, and as long as you do those it'll be fine. If you want more, buy a better phone. If it's that important to you and you dont have money, learn to appreciate what is actually important in life.
Nuff said.
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I applied it on a clean cm10.1 twice, had the same results, twice. I am not trying to talk down on someone elses work, but the fact is that some of the "tweaks" he talks about are never proven and often based on urban myths and the perception of people who applied them and saw improvement (placebo effect). fwiw, OP himself links to an article that busts some of the myths about tweaks, he tells people to apply...
So, maybe my device didnt start to lag more, in fact, it might have been more stable... however, setting the fs.file-max too big (as is one of the many things that activo script does) will make it less responsive, like there is a 100ms sleep between every action... I also experienced that with manual sysctl.
And some other tweaks that do work are still not great for everyone because they got other side effects that are not mentioned anywhere in this article. I got no idea why sync started giving errors and gmail stopped updating (twice) after these tweaks, but they did....
I am completely new to android, and should've done more research before blindly following some article that states to have some magical cure. But I am not new to linux and it seems this community suffers from the same kind of idiosyncrasies at the bottom end, where people constantly try to fix **** that isnt actually broken.
I'm talking about tweaks here obv, removing gapps. bloatware and lowering requirements for the OS is obv fine...
When someone's Gio lags, it's probably because they want to do stuff with it it's not made for, it's a slow device with minimal specs that does the pure core tasks as pda, phone, messenger and email, and as long as you do those it'll be fine. If you want more, buy a better phone. If it's that important to you and you dont have money, learn to appreciate what is actually important in life.
Nuff said.
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Look in signature, this thread is also there for Fit as well as Mini and is getting good response all over.. but you are the first one to complain on this. My advice to you- DO NOT USE THIS DO NOT POST HERE!
Some of your sayings are correct but, still this is the best way to increase performance. You might have did something wrong because this has been researched by me and some other people that this guide is perfect for low activity devices like ace, fit, mini, but if you dont want to use then dont use. I have NO PROBLEM.(I really dont get money or anything for this). lol..
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Nice guide...but I think you are wrong about the services.jar. You have to patch it when you use ICS or Jelly Bean, not on GB. And there is no Official CM7 on Gio.
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Yeah services.jar needs to be patched on ics and jellybean only. I didnt knew that official cm7 is not there for gio.. I dont own this device. sorry.
Noobwithdumbquestions said:
I applied it on a clean cm10.1 twice, had the same results, twice. I am not trying to talk down on someone elses work, but the fact is that some of the "tweaks" he talks about are never proven and often based on urban myths and the perception of people who applied them and saw improvement (placebo effect). fwiw, OP himself links to an article that busts some of the myths about tweaks, he tells people to apply...
So, maybe my device didnt start to lag more, in fact, it might have been more stable... however, setting the fs.file-max too big (as is one of the many things that activo script does) will make it less responsive, like there is a 100ms sleep between every action... I also experienced that with manual sysctl.
And some other tweaks that do work are still not great for everyone because they got other side effects that are not mentioned anywhere in this article. I got no idea why sync started giving errors and gmail stopped updating (twice) after these tweaks, but they did....
I am completely new to android, and should've done more research before blindly following some article that states to have some magical cure. But I am not new to linux and it seems this community suffers from the same kind of idiosyncrasies at the bottom end, where people constantly try to fix **** that isnt actually broken.
I'm talking about tweaks here obv, removing gapps. bloatware and lowering requirements for the OS is obv fine...
When someone's Gio lags, it's probably because they want to do stuff with it it's not made for, it's a slow device with minimal specs that does the pure core tasks as pda, phone, messenger and email, and as long as you do those it'll be fine. If you want more, buy a better phone. If it's that important to you and you dont have money, learn to appreciate what is actually important in life.
Nuff said.
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okay go step by step and tell me what is it that is actually bothering you about the tweaking.(talk only about supercharger method not activ speedo).
yes most of the tweaks are utter bull**** The tweaks in the op(build prop ones are actually proven read the article again).As for dalvik size its recommended to keep a size around 48 so that you processes don't need to split their dalvik heaps into two separate piles thus reducing ram consumption.
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okay go step by step and tell me what is it that is actually bothering you about the tweaking.(talk only about supercharger method not activ speedo).
yes most of the tweaks are utter bull**** The tweaks in the op(build prop ones are actually proven read the article again).As for dalvik size its recommended to keep a size around 48 so that you processes don't need to split their dalvik heaps into two separate piles thus reducing ram consumption.
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I didnt use the supercharger method... The OP says the activo speedo is recommended, and the supercharger method is proposed as an alternative... I already said what problem I had with it (the response thing, and believe me or not, to me this difference is obvious and makes sense, I was able to reproduce it with just changing some of the same sysctl settings myself) but I wouldnt be surprised if there were more as it seems to do a buttload of things.
As far as the heapsize goes, I am not basing my conclusions on anything other than the OP's own link, which says things like:
dalvik.vm.heapgrowthlimit and dalvik.vm.heapsize - BUSTED,
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This is one property that has cropped up recently in various build.prop recommendations for ICS. Typical suggested values range from “48m” all the way up to “256m”, likely motivated by the common misconception that more is better. The real purpose of this property is much less obvious than one might initially guess. It is also another one you should probably avoid changing.
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Should you change this setting? Probably not.
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Maybe you are right, I dont know all the technical implications, and I got no way to check it other than to test it and I see no difference in ram consumption if I change this property.
The ro.power.dissable thing might shut off wifi when in deep sleep and jumps back to mobile (I think, it happened after applying all tweaks and it seems the most likely thing to do that), but whatever causes that, you should warn people about that sort of thing as it can cost them money..
I didnt use it for long and I'm not an expert, i'm just sharing my findings, people can make up their own mind about it and share their experiences as well..
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Look in signature, this thread is also there for Fit as well as Mini and is getting good response all over.. but you are the first one to complain on this. My advice to you- DO NOT USE THIS DO NOT POST HERE!
Some of your sayings are correct but, still this is the best way to increase performance. You might have did something wrong because this has been researched by me and some other people that this guide is perfect for low activity devices like ace, fit, mini, but if you dont want to use then dont use. I have NO PROBLEM.(I really dont get money or anything for this). lol..
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Sorry, I didnt mean to offend you in any way and appreciate your effort... But telling me to stop posting just because I'm critical seems pretty backwards. If you only want people to say thanks and be greatful all the time, maybe you should start sharing horse pictures on a hello kitty forum...
I'm just sharing my experience and my problems might be related to my rom and it could very well work great on other phones or other roms... But I used a clean cm10.1, the CM10.1 rom almost everyone with a Gio uses, so I'd think it's still important to bring up my findings...
Noobwithdumbquestions said:
I didnt use the supercharger method... The OP says the activo speedo is recommended, and the supercharger method is proposed as an alternative... I already said what problem I had with it (the response thing, and believe me or not, to me this difference is obvious and makes sense, I was able to reproduce it with just changing some of the same sysctl settings myself) but I wouldnt be surprised if there were more as it seems to do a buttload of things.
As far as the heapsize goes, I am not basing my conclusions on anything other than the OP's own link, which says things like:
Maybe you are right, I dont know all the technical implications, and I got no way to check it other than to test it and I see no difference in ram consumption if I change this property.
The ro.power.dissable thing might shut off wifi when in deep sleep and jumps back to mobile (I think, it happened after applying all tweaks and it seems the most likely thing to do that), but whatever causes that, you should warn people about that sort of thing as it can cost them money..
I didnt use it for long and I'm not an expert, i'm just sharing my findings, people can make up their own mind about it and share their experiences as well..
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the ro.power.disable.ril actually causes the phones radio to go to sleep so if your mobile data is off there is no reason to switch on rather the wifi might switch off(devs already stated so) and again switch back on once you get out of deep sleep.
its a good thing that you are coming back to provide a feedback and is appreciated(at least should be).
the change for dalvik.vm larger than 48 only allows the heap to grow to that value then split into a new heap since we can't/shouldn't/don't use apps with such a large memory footprint the chances of a split occurring post 48mb(gb and below) and 64mb(ics and above) is highly unlikely hence the changing the value to a larger quantity will make no difference.
PS personally even i dont like activo mainly cause i dont know how it works rather i use supercharger and its a much better option in my opinion.
Sorry, I didnt mean to offend you in any way and appreciate your effort... But telling me to stop posting just because I'm critical seems pretty backwards. If you only want people to say thanks and be greatful all the time, maybe you should start sharing horse pictures on a hello kitty forum...
I'm just sharing my experience and my problems might be related to my rom and it could very well work great on other phones or other roms... But I used a clean cm10.1, the CM10.1 rom almost everyone with a Gio uses, so I'd think it's still important to bring up my findings...
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No, I already told you that many of your ideas are correct but, your way of expressing was not good.
Ex- You said that "Dont waste time on using this guide".
Now, if you think that was correct then please do not post again. If you are providing information then you can but, if you are telling people not to use this then dont post.
In fit's thread, Dark Passenger also wanted to express his ideas and wanted to help me. And I was happy about that. Because the way he helped me was like he really wanted to help. But, you was not polite as him.
You can ask Dark Passenger, there is a lot of information in the thread provided by him and I used that. And he never complained like you.
@Dark Passenger, please explain him.
OJ said:
No, I already told you that many of your ideas are correct but, your way of expressing was not good.
Ex- You said that "Dont waste time on using this guide".
Now, if you think that was correct then please do not post again. If you are providing information then you can but, if you are telling people not to use this then dont post.
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Yeah, I was frustrated and my first response was not really fair. I agree.
Noobwithdumbquestions said:
Yeah, I was frustrated and my first response was not really fair. I agree.
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When you use ics or jelly bean you need supercharger script and a patched services.jar (it's easy to do) because any other script don't works 100 % on it.
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How about the kernel? What's a good performance kernel? or do I even need one? There's a guy in this forum who has managed to boost his Samsung GT-I8150's fps to 20! now how in the world did he do that? my current fps is max at 6fps(antutu benchmark) with only basic apps installed and most unneeded running apps forced-stop. i know there's so much can be done on this phone since its..ehh..a low specs device bt isnt Android(linux based) is all about reviving the dead? lol
dude127 said:
How about the kernel? What's a good performance kernel? or do I even need one? There's a guy in this forum who has managed to boost his Samsung GT-I8150's fps to 20! now how in the world did he do that? my current fps is max at 6fps(antutu benchmark) with only basic apps installed and most unneeded running apps forced-stop. i know there's so much can be done on this phone since its..ehh..a low specs device bt isnt Android(linux based) is all about reviving the dead? lol
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Im running CM10.2 currently. So far, so good, even though theres bugs still present. As far as I know, there aren't any CM10.2 kernel for the W so you're stuck with the stock kernel that comes with the ROM itself. Im thinking that the guy who managed to somehow "boost" his device is probably running GB i mean its rock stable.
I made my SGW by flashing PurePerfomanceX® Tweaks and also uninstalling stupid useless system app like CM updater and LWPs. Also, since there's no other custom kernel for 4.3 (like i mentioned) I tweaked the Interactive governor from the guys at the GNexus forum and switched my I/O scheduler to deadline. Again, its pretty smooth although the only thing that I find irritating is the stutters i find when scrolling some super heavy apps but obv, this aint a Nexus 5 soo bare with the lags. Some additions i did was installing Seeder and LagFix (can be found at GPlayStore)
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Im running CM10.2 currently. So far, so good, even though theres bugs still present. As far as I know, there aren't any CM10.2 kernel for the W so you're stuck with the stock kernel that comes with the ROM itself. Im thinking that the guy who managed to somehow "boost" his device is probably running GB i mean its rock stable.
I made my SGW by flashing PurePerfomanceX® Tweaks and also uninstalling stupid useless system app like CM updater and LWPs. Also, since there's no other custom kernel for 4.3 (like i mentioned) I tweaked the Interactive governor from the guys at the GNexus forum and switched my I/O scheduler to deadline. Again, its pretty smooth although the only thing that I find irritating is the stutters i find when scrolling some super heavy apps but obv, this aint a Nexus 5 soo bare with the lags. Some additions i did was installing Seeder and LagFix (can be found at GPlayStore)
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Woah man thanks alot on recomending the PurePerfomanceX® Tweaks! what a difference it makes lol and do i need to install those seeders&lagfix? im not a gamer so yeah are they really necessary? one other thing, how do i get the SmartassV2 governor? doesnt pureperformancex script includes that aswell? and finally(i promise! lol) do any of these tweaks help in conserving battery? prior to this, the battery was draining like mad it could be the condition of battery since ive had this phone for almost 2years now. before i go out and get new battery maybe if there was a tweak that could help reviving this old fella would be super. buying new phone is out of the question for the time being since i lost my samsung note3 2weeks ago..sigh sad life.
anyway thanks alot brother for the kind help