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Why no 3G with ATT

Having owned several HTC phones, it seems to me that if they want to be a leader, then why release the TP2 with no 3G speeds in the US market? I have read that there is some talk about a release on T mobile's carrier for a TP2 with 3G. If so, hey ATT get with it.

fredm said:
Having owned several HTC phones, it seems to me that if they want to be a leader, then why release the TP2 with no 3G speeds in the US market? I have read that there is some talk about a release on T mobile's carrier for a TP2 with 3G. If so, hey ATT get with it.
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You've got it there. There is no US 3g on the euro devices as per basic agreements with the carriers to let their branded versions come out. The local carrier versions are coming so just hang on.

first of all, the TP2 wasn't released in the US market. the model that you're talking about that has no US 3G is the European model. some people just preferred to buy it unlocked and save themselves a lot of waiting time.
secondly, yes, T-Mobile is getting it around August 12 here in the US. you would know that for sure if you read the very, very numerous posts around the Rhodium forum. all the major US carriers are getting the phone, including AT&T, Sprint and Verizon. there are speculated release dates about the other 3, but they will come eventually.
to me, this seems like a redundant thread. just my opinion. I vote for thread to be closed.

fail...
why wouldnt att not have 3g with the fuze when they have 3g on older phones?.....

fredm said:
Having owned several HTC phones, it seems to me that if they want to be a leader, then why release the TP2 with no 3G speeds in the US market? I have read that there is some talk about a release on T mobile's carrier for a TP2 with 3G. If so, hey ATT get with it.
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The better solution would be for ATT to embrace the same 3G standard that Europe and Asia have, and change to 850/1900.

850/1900 isn't Europe nor Asia, but North American bands actually
As for the "fail" comment or criticism:
The current phone available is the EUROPEAN model, it works in EUROPE. The same goes for many many other phone makers. They make dual band 3G phones (quad-band GSM) for Europe and then make the specialty ones for the US and possibly Canada.
Originally they tried to make 850/1900 the standard for North America, but so many companies are planning alternatives like 1700 and whatnot. It's like that one company in Australia using 850/2100 instead of 900/2100. If you HAVE to blame somebody it would be ATT for starting the usage of 1700 as a 3G band, or blame the lack of spectrum which caused ATT to opt for 1700.
To make a phone truly universar 3G-wise it would need to use 6 different bands, and personally I've only seen specs with up to 3 bands (though I heard about mysterious 3G 4 band phones).

If you HAVE to blame somebody it would be ATT for starting the usage of 1700 as a 3G band, or blame the lack of spectrum which caused ATT to opt for 1700.
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ATT uses 850/1900 and are moving to add 2100. T-Mobile use 1700.
I agree it will be good if ATT does actually get 2100 going.

Oops, my bad, I get the two confused. And yeah, it'd be good if they had the 2100 going, especially if it meant interoperability, even if limited, with European models (and they could reap the benefits of charging for 3G data roaming).

solsearch said:
850/1900 isn't Europe nor Asia, but North American bands actually
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I stand corrected. Too much coffee, too little brains.

HTC One X on Tmobile USA

I am not sure if this has been answered before, but will the European Models work with the USA Tmobile's HSPA+ bands?
I want to purchase one from Europe, but if the data will not work obviously there is no point.
Thank you in advance.

No, unless you happen to be lucky enough to live in an area with the 1900mhz band deployed.

Funk2641 said:
No, unless you happen to be lucky enough to live in an area with the 1900mhz band deployed.
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Which AFAIK is a very small number of places in California.
If I understand correctly, they're planning to expand that greatly over the next couple of years though, likely hoping to poach iPhone / iPad users off other networks.

i thought 1900 was the 2g data band and tmo 3g and 4g is 2100?

matt3allen said:
i thought 1900 was the 2g data band and tmo 3g and 4g is 2100?
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I am afraid you need both: 1700-2100

matt3allen said:
i thought 1900 was the 2g data band and tmo 3g and 4g is 2100?
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T-Mob has started (in a very few number of places) switching to 1900MHz 4G.
http://www.howardforums.com/showthread.php/1748046-T-Mobile-is-deploying-1900MHz-HSPA-4G

We have 1900Mhz here in Utah
My friend's iPhone 4S gets 3G on T-Mo, so if I can get the cash I'll definitely grab a One X.
U jelly?

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U jelly?
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EABOD. :-D

I wonder if they will end up officially carrying it or a variant themselves.
We can always hope
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I'm glad this thread was created, I'm currently with an international Sensation XE and am seriously ready to pull the trigger on the international One X for that 720p screen and 32 Gig's of internal but am currently waiting for confirmation before I shell out 6+ on a new toy with 2g data
I don't belive Boston, Ma is running 3g on 1900...

atvxda said:
I'm glad this thread was created, I'm currently with an international Sensation XE and am seriously ready to pull the trigger on the international One X for that 720p screen and 32 Gig's of internal but am currently waiting for confirmation before I shell out 6+ on a new toy with 2g data
I don't belive Boston, Ma is running 3g on 1900...
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It isn't :/

I asked Tmo this question on Twitter and this is their responce:
T-Mobile USA ‏ @TMobileHelp Reply Retweet Favorited · Open
@mrjenigma As long as it has our bands 850 ; 900 ;1800 ;1900 ; UMTS: Band I (2100); UMTS: Band IV (1700/2100); UMTS: Band VIII (900) ^KN

This response is pretty much a no response. It is known that T-Mo has deployed 1900 UMTS in parts of US. T-Mobile also announced refarming their 1900 GSM to 1900 UMTS. In order to get a good answer, it's best to talk to a high level T-Mo customer serv/tech serv.
ariochenigma said:
I asked Tmo this question on Twitter and this is their responce:
T-Mobile USA ‏ @TMobileHelp Reply Retweet Favorited · Open
@mrjenigma As long as it has our bands 850 ; 900 ;1800 ;1900 ; UMTS: Band I (2100); UMTS: Band IV (1700/2100); UMTS: Band VIII (900) ^KN
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Thanks for the quick reply guys. I was confused with all the bands as well.
I live in Central Florida, so i doubt they have it here as well :/
Any rumors that the One X might come to Tmobile after the One S?

There was one rumor that the One X will come to T-Mo as the G4X. There hasn't been any recent news on the rumor tho. So continue keeping your fingers crossed.
ydizzle said:
Thanks for the quick reply guys. I was confused with all the bands as well.
I live in Central Florida, so i doubt they have it here as well :/
Any rumors that the One X might come to Tmobile after the One S?
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In short, no it will not get 3G or fake 4G on T-Mobile.
Unless you are one of the lucky few in California that has 1900mhz 3G/fake 4G.

gwuhua1984 said:
There was one rumor that the One X will come to T-Mo as the G4X. There hasn't been any recent news on the rumor tho. So continue keeping your fingers crossed.
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yeap i read about this in a couple of websites also......

gwuhua1984 said:
There was one rumor that the One X will come to T-Mo as the G4X. There hasn't been any recent news on the rumor tho. So continue keeping your fingers crossed.
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I just spoke with one of their representatives they said they will be getting the One S..only TMo UK will get the One X

The HTC One S will be Tmo US, The One X will be ATT and the One V will be Verizon. Sprint has planned release but nothing is in stone yet.

gwuhua1984 said:
There was one rumor that the One X will come to T-Mo as the G4X. There hasn't been any recent news on the rumor tho. So continue keeping your fingers crossed.
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I think the LG Optimus 4x HD is supposed to be the TMobile G4x

T-Mobile USA 1900 PCS Spectrum Refarm Statement

I thought people in the US looking to use the One X will love this, and I hope this will answer people's question regarding phone compatibility on T-Mo USA.
Today we have more than one million unlocked iPhones running on our network. T-Mobile currently offers microSIMs for customers who already have a GSM phone they want to use on the T-Mobile network, including an iPhone. In order to set up an unlocked iPhone on T-Mobile’s network, customers simply need to purchase a microSIM card and select a T-Mobile Value plan that suits their needs.
T-Mobile’s Value plans enable customers who bring their own smartphone, such as the iPhone, to save money. For example, T-Mobile’s Value family plan with unlimited talk, unlimited text and unlimited data with 2 GB of high-speed data is just $49.99 per line for two lines.
In addition, we will continue to deliver more value to customers as we expand and modernize our 4G network. Beginning this year, we will introduce HSPA+ service in our 1900 MHz PCS spectrum. When we do, our 4G network will be compatible with a broader range of devices, including the iPhone.
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this is actually good news for some people! I'm lucky enough to live in an area where the 1900MHz frequency is in used

Thank you for posting. This quote from the press release had many T Mo USA customers like me very excited of the possibilities. I import lots of cellys and only recently began to really focus on the appropriate 3g bands on my carrier as I simply cannot put up with 2g at alll.
I am very close to saying goodbye to my Sensation XE in favor of the One X....
Sadly, Boston Ma is still operating Edge/2g data from the 1900 band

What frequency does Tmobiles 2G/Edge service use? That's all that's available in my town

I think the 2G/Edge is 850/1900?
knightsray said:
What frequency does Tmobiles 2G/Edge service use? That's all that's available in my town
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gwuhua1984 said:
I think the 2G/Edge is 850/1900?
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Yup.

So will the one x work with T-Mobile hspa+
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This is good news - IF we can get confirmation where they have actually rolled out the update.
Also, I wonder whether this phone can get a radio upgrade to enabled AWS on 1700? I know some Samsung devices (like the Note) can get flashed to add the band, would this be possible on the One X?

ScottC said:
This is good news - IF we can get confirmation where they have actually rolled out the update.
Also, I wonder whether this phone can get a radio upgrade to enabled AWS on 1700? I know some Samsung devices (like the Note) can get flashed to add the band, would this be possible on the One X?
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The AT&T version will have the AWS and 2100 band on it so my hope is we will be able to swap the radio/modem with the One XL and get the bigger internal SD and built-in radio........crossing fingers!!!!

I don't believe that will be possible. There have been instances where a phone has landed on multiple carriers with certain bands disabled, however in this case, HTC has released separate architecture for the US/AT&T variant and so it's not like the 1700 AWS band is included in the LTE version and simply software disabled.
I did see that AT&T's version has the same exact radios as T Mobile's Amaze 4g (same AWS bands) so it will be interesting to see the phone itself can simply be unlocked and used with T Mo without flashing.
One last thing, T Mo has confirmed the refarming/reframing of their 1900 bands from 2g into 3g, it will only be a matter of time before we see the full deployment of 3g via 1900 band. Both phones may end up in the same price range (unless purchasing an AT&T model used) and so I'd rather have the unbranded 32 gig version.

The only thing is how long will you wait and be stuck on 2G until the refarm hits your area. Right now it's a slow roll out since most time is being spent on the LTE 2013 launch.
I do a lot of data things while i'm out and about, so EDGE speeds would kill me. I'm thinking now of just waiting to see what the SGS3 has to offer or the LG Optimous 4HD. I don't want to speed almost $700 for a phone i can't use data on.
If an unlock would open the AWS band for use on T-Mobile on the AT&T version then we could be able to flash the international version that has the S4 chip with the AT&T radio.
We'll see, since right now all we can do is hopeful speculation.

Same boat I was on when I imported my Desire HD. I was stuck on Edge until I got to my home or office. For most apps I utilize, it was not such a big deal, however YouTube and a few others was pure torture on just 2g.
I was so close to ordering a One X too... I'll keep my XE a little while longer though. I'm really not at all impressed with the One S. The One X is def my choice.

ge3kswag said:
The only thing is how long will you wait and be stuck on 2G until the refarm hits your area. Right now it's a slow roll out since most time is being spent on the LTE 2013 launch.
I do a lot of data things while i'm out and about, so EDGE speeds would kill me. I'm thinking now of just waiting to see what the SGS3 has to offer or the LG Optimous 4HD. I don't want to speed almost $700 for a phone i can't use data on.
If an unlock would open the AWS band for use on T-Mobile on the AT&T version then we could be able to flash the international version that has the S4 chip with the AT&T radio.
We'll see, since right now all we can do is hopeful speculation.
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If previous trends continue, the international SGSIII won't have T-Mobile bands either :/

joshnichols189 said:
If previous trends continue, the international SGSIII won't have T-Mobile bands either :/
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LOL!!!! I was thinking that too but i actually think that due to the LTE rollout the end of the year and beginning of next year will be awesome for T-Mobile. I know the G4X and the SGS3 has to be on T-Mobile, it's their best phone. I actually think that the next big windows phone will be something HTC and be on T-Mobile also. Also, I heard a lil hint from the Samsung rep of a T-Mobile Note. Guess we'll have to wait for CITA to see.
And a few years back you would have laffed at me but dude, the Huawei Ascend D is coming to T-Mobile and from rumors the processor kills all.........so lets be slightly optimistic hahahahahah

Not sure how helpful this is in clarifying anything, but there's a new post about this today at the T-Mobile forums.
http://support.t-mobile.com/thread/21487?start=30&tstart=0

atvxda said:
I don't believe that will be possible. There have been instances where a phone has landed on multiple carriers with certain bands disabled, however in this case, HTC has released separate architecture for the US/AT&T variant and so it's not like the 1700 AWS band is included in the LTE version and simply software disabled.
I did see that AT&T's version has the same exact radios as T Mobile's Amaze 4g (same AWS bands) so it will be interesting to see the phone itself can simply be unlocked and used with T Mo without flashing.
One last thing, T Mo has confirmed the refarming/reframing of their 1900 bands from 2g into 3g, it will only be a matter of time before we see the full deployment of 3g via 1900 band. Both phones may end up in the same price range (unless purchasing an AT&T model used) and so I'd rather have the unbranded 32 gig version.
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It's just reiterating what they've said before. The question still remains as to what the timing and geography will be. I'd imagine it'll be great for people in major markets where T-Mobile will focus the majority of their energy. But people who travel a lot, especially to secondary and tertiary markets, may have a long wait until T-Mobile's 1900Mhz coverage is everywhere. It's better than nothing but still a long ways from being competitive.
"Select areas of Washington State, California, Nevada and Arizona are currently the only places with refarmed spectrum. Users in those affected areas are reporting reliable, HSPA+, 4G level speeds on their iPhones within the currently, largely undocumented, coverage area.
According to my source, it is anticipated that by as early as October of this year that T-Mobile will have their spectrum refarming efforts completed. At that point, T-Mobile's network will support all quad-band GSM/UMTS banded handsets, including Apple's iPhone."
http://www.informationweek.com/byte/news/personal-tech/smart-phones/240000527

Yeah, Its going to be a while. I think there are a few places in Cali somewhere that they have done this already. By the time they finish this a good majority of us will probably be on a different phone so it doesnt really do anything for us.
I was with t-mobile until I Purchased the One X international and moved to straight talk. I will probably move back to T-mobile once they finish this and plan on buying unlocked phones from now on.
Being on AT&Ts network in Downtown Chicago Sucks ass. Although when Im downtown Im usually on wifi at work so its not a huge deal. Still annoying though.

so if I were to get a One X now which one should I buy for it to work with 4g when t-mobile refarms the 1900 band? ATT or International?

AT&T's One X and the international One X will both give you 2g/Edge data for the time being.
Considering T Mobile USA is reframing 3G & HSPA+ traffic to 1900 MHz (currently utilized by T Mobile USA exclusive for 2g), both are solid options as at some point later this year, both will be receiving 3g data. However, AT&T's One X will have to be unlocked in order for you to use it with T Mobile whereas the international One X is already unlocked.
Remember, both devices are not identical. The international One X has a QUAD core Tegra 3 processor vs AT&T's DUAL core Snapdragon and the international One X has 32 Gigs of internal vs AT&T's 16

Network Modernization

Hey guys I was wondering if anyone knew what network modernization meant for us as phone buyers. I am really interested in picking up an S3, but want to continue to use my web2go/tzones plan. I was considering buying either an AT&T or international version and saw http://blog.t-mobile.com/2012/06/14/fast-progress-on-4g-network-modernization/ this article and was wondering the implications. Will the 1900 replace the 1700 in HSPA+? Does that mean phones that work on AT&T(1900/2100) will now work on Tmobile(1700/2100)?
Thanks for any info you guys can provide!

That is correct. Once the refarm is complete we will be able to use phones with the international att bands at full speeds on tmobile. 1700/2100 will be used for LTE
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I would not get the AT&T or International version just yet. It is quite likely that you will experience slow speeds due to lack of proper frequency support at this time. Eventually T-Mobile's HSPA will be moved over to the 1900 band, however, this is a transition, not a on/off type of thing. There will still be HSPA on 1700 bands for well over a year from now, probably more like two. I think it will be a mix of 1900/1700 bands for HSPA in a couple of years, with LTE in the 1700 band exclusively. So, if you get the AT&T version now, you should hope that your city or region is one of the first for the transition, and don't plan to have good support while traveling. If you are on T-Mobile, you will have to choose great HSPA support now with no LTE ever (T-Mobile version), or no HSPA support now, and maybe some mixed LTE and HSPA support down the road (AT&T version; no LTE on International version).
I would personally get the T-Mobile version if I were you. LTE is not going away, and there will be plenty of LTE phones on T-Mobile in a couple of years. But HSPA has great speeds now, and will still have decent speeds in a couple of years.

The T-Mobile version already supports HSPA+ over 1900 MHz..so it's ready if you're planning on using it on Tmobile.

Just when I thought about dumping T-Mobile, looks like they might be heading in the right direction.
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What's up guys. Really thinking of pulling the trigger on the N5100 from eBay or negrielectronics.
But, my question is how well will my data/voice coverage be on T-mobile? I know the phablet uses the 1900Mhz spectrum.
I also know T-Mobile has some 1900Mhz spectrum but I've been wondering about My hometown of ATL, GA.
Anybody here in the ATL metro area? How's your coverage? I'd hate to drop $500+ for a device I can't really use.

I cant remember where I read it but I think that data will only be edge. I hope somebody corrects me if Im wrong but I might wanna wait and see what the new LTE model has in store.

apollostees said:
What's up guys. Really thinking of pulling the trigger on the N5100 from eBay or negrielectronics.
But, my question is how well will my data/voice coverage be on T-mobile? I know the phablet uses the 1900Mhz spectrum.
I also know T-Mobile has some 1900Mhz spectrum but I've been wondering about My hometown of ATL, GA.
Anybody here in the ATL metro area? How's your coverage? I'd hate to drop $500+ for a device I can't really use.
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You will likely be restricted to 2G(edge) only. The N5100 supports the 1900mhz frequency, but not the 1700mhz. Support for both are required for 3G/HSPA+ service on T-Mobile.

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You will likely be restricted to 2G(edge) only. The N5100 supports the 1900mhz frequency, but not the 1700mhz. Support for both are required for 3G/HSPA+ service on T-Mobile.
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Thanks for the verification! Haha I remember that guy in yur sig from the HTC One forums. Craziness!

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You will likely be restricted to 2G(edge) only. The N5100 supports the 1900mhz frequency, but not the 1700mhz. Support for both are required for 3G/HSPA+ service on T-Mobile.
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Not exactly true! TMo US has historically used the split 1700/2100 AWS band for 3G, meaning a device needs to support both bands for 3G access. However, since TMo got hold of some spectrum at 1900MHz from AT&T, they've been re farming to provision 3G over that band.
What this means is if you have a device that supports 1900MHz *and* you are in an area where TMo has re farmed the spectrum, you should get 3G.
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foxmeister said:
Not exactly true! TMo US has historically used the split 1700/2100 AWS band for 3G, meaning a device needs to support both bands for 3G access. However, since TMo got hold of some spectrum at 1900MHz from AT&T, they've been re farming to provision 3G over that band.
What this means is if you have a device that supports 1900MHz *and* you are in an area where TMo has re farmed the spectrum, you should get 3G.
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Sort of. It's not so much that TMobile got a hold of the spectrum from AT&T as much as they've always had it, but it was only used for GSM(aka EDGE aka 2G) service. Yes, they quite a bit from that failed merger which had sped their plans along quite nicely. You're right that the y're refarming/repurposing that frequency for use on their faster data networks but... correct me if I'm wrong, my understanding is that the refarming is being done to support LTE? As the 5110 lacks an LTE antennae, it won't be able to make use of it.
OP, to find out if you're in an area where this refarming is being done check out this website.