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Desire Camera

Any one else find that for a 5 Mega Pixel camera the desire takes some very good shots :O
"I did have a link to flickr here but as i'm new its not permitted "
Only thing is the focus can be a bit rubbish sometimes , like not being able to focus right on small things even very close up any one else find this ?

Takes quite good photos, though pretty much all current phones are the same. Most of them use the same chips, the biggest differences are in the software.

I'm a bit disappointed with the cam... in bright daylight everything is OK, but with low light there is a LOT of image noise.

You won't find a better camera, x01a4, unless you buy a Symbian phone. But you don't want that, do you?

x01a4 said:
I'm a bit disappointed with the cam... in bright daylight everything is OK, but with low light there is a LOT of image noise.
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Hi, manually set the "ISO" to 100 that should help with the "noise"

taking the back cover off also gives me a huge improvement whit the sharpness and quality of the photo.

Byerss said:
Any one else find that for a 5 Mega Pixel camera the desire takes some very good shots :O
"I did have a link to flickr here but as i'm new its not permitted "
Only thing is the focus can be a bit rubbish sometimes , like not being able to focus right on small things even very close up any one else find this ?
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I have the opposite; mine will only take good macro shots and everything else is very blurred. I don't use the camera any more, it's that bad.
Waiting to hear back from HTC...

I find my Desire's camera is shockingly awful.. all pics are dull. It really bothers me a lot since I used to have a c905 and the camera is excellent, no need for a separate camera. The reason I have a modern phone is so I dont have a need for any separate devices but this is something that is really bothering me about the Desire to the point that I might sell it and get a c905 or a Satio.
I'll miss android too much tho

If you want really great pictures go get a compact camera or DSLR it is after all a phone with a camera not a camera with a phone. Hee hee hee.... having said that a lot of phones on the market have cameras which take so so pictures only, not many phones are able to take nice pictures. This is mostly due to the software of the camera not so much the hardware part.

Why all the bad press about the camera on this phone?

I took a few test shots, and the images look great! What are your thoughts on the camera guys?

I found that in dimmer lighting, it is not as impressive as advertised.
I think some of the problem is that the camera needs to be kept pretty still, so more pics are blurry due to phone movement.
I might argue that my N1 camera was better. Slower, but better pics in low lighting.
Hopefully some software tweaks can help this.

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I took a few test shots, and the images look great! What are your thoughts on the camera guys?
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compared to the sgs2 it's not as good.

Personally, I'm at a loss. As far as I can tell, 'zero shutter lag' basically means they've just removed auto focus?
Sure it takes instantaneous photos, but they are often blurry and out of focus unless I tap to focus first, then hold the phone super steady and then press the shutter (which is virtually impossible due to no physical shutter button).
So yeah, not that impressive to me and I don't get this whole zero shutter lag business.
Panorama mode is a total gimmick too, pictures are very tiny... though this is a criticism of ICS camera app and not the SGN's camera setup.

I am happy with the camera so far, I like the fact I don't have to wait 5-6s on my older phone to take another shot
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Here is a quick snap no "Focus Tap"
http://twitpic.com/7toyrq

it has been a hit or miss for me.
so probably when they tried it they got alot of misses lol.

i think the main thing is that a lot of people are going "5MP?!... all the other new phones are 8MP!!"
sure, it may not be able to take pictures at higher resolutions or produce quite the same quality as those 8MP cameras, but the fact that it can snap pictures instantly is a big plus.
that and even if you were to take a pic at "8MP", most likely you're not a professional photographer and you're going to be re-sizing the photo anyway.

In answer to your question, it's due to the fact there are plenty of high quality cameras out there on phones slightly older than this that produce superior photos. The GN is a beast of a phone with the latest mobile technology, but the camera is still a generation or two behind. Disappointing to say the least, but not disappointing enough to prevent me from getting it.
That's why.

Are you guys seriously that dumb?
The phone autofocuses still (without using touch to focus). Zero shutter lag means no lag WHEN TAKING THE PICTURE, AFTER IT FOCUSES.
I can't believe some people have no idea how this works lol. You still need to focus the damn thing, or wait for it to autofocus.

I find that the camera is quite good for taking pictures outdoors, but under artificial light the come out a little off. Mind you this is not messing with any settings, just taking pictures out of the box. I will say that no matter where I take the pictures and under whatever lighting, they turn out much better than my Droid 1 (which I fully expected)

I love the new software I think its a step up from the SGS2 even tho its not quite the 8MP. Yes, it may not beat the pants off the iPhone4s but really its a phone and does the job I want it to..... If I need DSLR quality I will take the DSLR out. Also, for me my pics are mostly viewed on the phone for family and friends...not for family portrait books ect. This topic is just like the battery life issue some are happy and some want perfection.... I want it too... but as our devices get better so do our expectations.

I agree the camera works great in natural sunlight, a little funky indoors under artificial light..However, since I've taken the phone out of the store i've been taking random pictures everywhere and none them have sucked so far...focus, clarity, and color are all very acceptable.
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i think the main thing is that a lot of people are going "5MP?!... all the other new phones are 8MP!!"
sure, it may not be able to take pictures at higher resolutions or produce quite the same quality as those 8MP cameras, but the fact that it can snap pictures instantly is a big plus.
that and even if you were to take a pic at "8MP", most likely you're not a professional photographer and you're going to be re-sizing the photo anyway.
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even if it was a 15MP camera on my phone, i still would take a point & shoot camera for my precious moments..I guess i'm old school..I just use my phone camera for spur of the moment shots..which 5MP is more than adequate for the job.

True, but pics are still only very average even when focused. Poor, poor camera for such an uptodate phone. Google really have dropped the ball on this aspect.
One day a phone will work from all aspects - soon I hope!

It is too early for me to have a solid opinion but definitely better than the Dinc's 8MP. I really like the camera app on my Asus TF I was thinking the stock ICS cam app would be similar.
I think 1080P Video is very good for a phone, second only to iphone for my eye anyway.
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Danny80y said:
.... want perfection.... I want it too... but as our devices get better so do our expectations.
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/slowclap
A bit on the nose but yes I wanted a N1 but they never came to verizon so I bought it's "cousin" the Dinc. I was awed by it and still am.
The GN...Makes it look like a ugly chunky brick with a dull screen...but so do most modern offerings.

The flash on people's skin (faces, etc) make you look orange, like you have jaundice or something.
I'm sure it will be fixed, just a bit irritating.
Speed is king, though.

The phone takes really blurry photos when I do try it.
Yes, I know what how to focus. Just seems even after it finishes focuses, the images come out blurry.
I've also compared it side by side to an i4s and it's night and day difference in quality.
http://i4c.org/86
Here's one of the better ones i've taken.
But most seem to come out blurry like this
http://i4c.org/88

my camera works great so far. occasional blurry pic but not often.

Can take some great pics.
Far better than my wife's 5mpx HTC Desire!!
For some reason, people think that zero lag means they can take a crystal clear pic instantly, without any kind of focus. Well DUH! lol!
OCCASIONALLY that'll work, but quite rare.

wonshikee said:
The phone takes really blurry photos when I do try it.
Yes, I know what how to focus. Just seems even after it finishes focuses, the images come out blurry.
I've also compared it side by side to an i4s and it's night and day difference in quality.
http://i4c.org/86
Here's one of the better ones i've taken.
But most seem to come out blurry like this
http://i4c.org/88
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To me the second one looks a bit more like motion blur instead of bad autofocus. 1/17s wasn't such a fast shutterspeed (low light) so you maybe moved the phone too much while taking the picture. It's not easy to hold such lightweight and thin devices really still.
You could try out another app like vignette which offers an option called "steady shot". Then it will take the picture when the phone is hold almost still - just may take a few seconds until it takes the picture then.

Not another camera thread

I just can't handle it anymore! What on earth is wrong with so many people that they speak so lowly of the gnex camera?! Its the best camera I've ever used phone or standalone. I'm sure some photo snobs are going to try and correct me here but I'm just not convinced. People talk about it like its absolute trash and useless at taking pictures!! Can I really be the only one who thinks the camera is pretty awesome? No lag, great auto focus, super bright flash, auto enhance colors for that nice professional Photoshop kinda look that I think is gorgeous. But then again what do I know, I'm just a fool who thinks 5megapixels is plenty
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I just can't handle it anymore! What on earth is wrong with so many people that they speak so lowly of the gnex camera?! Its the best camera I've ever used phone or standalone. I'm sure some photo snobs are going to try and correct me here but I'm just not convinced. People talk about it like its absolute trash and useless at taking pictures!! Can I really be the only one who thinks the camera is pretty awesome? No lag, great auto focus, super bright flash, auto enhance colors for that nice professional Photoshop kinda look that I think is gorgeous. But then again what do I know, I'm just a fool who thinks 5megapixels is plenty
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Totally agree

The more read abot the camera and the more exampe I see te more I think some units have faulty lenses.
Some people try to blame the operator but I really do know how to take a phote (focusing and lighting etc) But my GN produces poor pics 70% of the time and average the rest.

its because this camera works two ways, and one of those ways isn't good quality.
regular auto focus with the button takes superb pics. but touch to focus is broken and bad.
i think everyong just uses touch to focus and didnt realize the regular old focus method exists, and not only exists but quality is great. that's why there are many excellent pics in the forum, mixed in with horrible pics.

I find the camera to be acceptable. I came from an iPhone 4, then went to the International Galaxy S II and they both had fantastic cameras.
I personally feel the GN's camera is a step backwards but it works fine.

Good thing you made a thread about camera threads then.

Don't know what's wrong with the camera o.0 is good enough for me. I bet who ever saying its bad thought it was supposed to be for Professional Photography o.0
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The image quality on this camera fails even compared to phones that are 1+ years old. Stop bring up dslr's or professional photography....we ARE NOT talking about that. We are talking about in comparison to other high end smartphones.
The image quality on this phone is probably the worst I've ever seen on any of the smartphones I've owned. Terrible.

brian85 said:
The image quality on this camera fails even compared to phones that are 1+ years old. Stop bring up dslr's or professional photography....we ARE NOT talking about that. We are talking about in comparison to other high end smartphones.
The image quality on this phone is probably the worst I've ever seen on any of the smartphones I've owned. Terrible.
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Is the first post talking about comparing to another smartphone? Cool cus that's who I replied to:what:
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Whether or not you can take good pictures is how YOU are able to use it. People are complaining about the physical sensor which is:
1) lower resolution than most phones these days
2) less sensitive (it's the same sensor that was on the Nexus ONE and Nexus S)
So whether people CAN take good pictures is not the issue, but the hardware potential which is seriously limited compared to other phones today.
The instant shutter is software. Given enough memory bandwidth you could easily have instant shutter 8mp+ pictures, it's not exclusive to this 5mp sensor.
Post-processing like "auto enhance" is also software which has nothing to do with their choice of sensor - it'll work on any picture regardless.

RogerPodacter said:
its because this camera works two ways, and one of those ways isn't good quality.
regular auto focus with the button takes superb pics. but touch to focus is broken and bad.
i think everyong just uses touch to focus and didnt realize the regular old focus method exists, and not only exists but quality is great. that's why there are many excellent pics in the forum, mixed in with horrible pics.
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Completely wrong. In fact touch to focus is the only way I can get it to focus before hand (where the focus box turns green). Otherwise it has to focus then take the picture. It does very little different as far as the shutter or software is concerned. Pics turn out the exact same if using touch to focus or auto focus.
The only difference I noticed is that it defaults the flash on so naturally shifts the EV balance way down, so be sure to leave flash off.
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The image quality on this camera fails even compared to phones that are 1+ years old. Stop bring up dslr's or professional photography....we ARE NOT talking about that. We are talking about in comparison to other high end smartphones.
The image quality on this phone is probably the worst I've ever seen on any of the smartphones I've owned. Terrible.
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Please don't spread misinformation like this. EVERY camera phone I've compared this phone to it either meets or exceeds. That includes the Droid X, OG Droid, Droid Pro, Galaxy S, etc.

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Completely wrong. In fact touch to focus is the only way I can get it to focus before hand (where the focus box turns green). Otherwise it has to focus then take the picture. It does very little different as far as the shutter or software is concerned. Pics turn out the exact same if using touch to focus or auto focus.
The only difference I noticed is that it defaults the flash on so naturally shifts the EV balance way down, so be sure to leave flash off.
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Please don't spread misinformation like this. EVERY camera phone I've compared this phone to it either meets or exceeds. That includes the Droid X, OG Droid, Droid Pro, Galaxy S, etc.
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Misinformation? The camera on this phone is terrible, and that's a fact. Whether it's software or hardware, the image quality is absolutely terrible.
Some of you are in serious denial.

Oh darn I feel great about taking amazing photos with my SGN. Either my expecations are low, or my phone is exclusive (so I am very lucky), or your phones are defected (So I am very lucky too ), there is no way those photos I took are even close to terrible.

Is that a terrible photo really? I just took it in a dark condition, with phones own flash.

brian85 said:
The image quality on this camera fails even compared to phones that are 1+ years old. Stop bring up dslr's or professional photography....we ARE NOT talking about that. We are talking about in comparison to other high end smartphones.
The image quality on this phone is probably the worst I've ever seen on any of the smartphones I've owned. Terrible.
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Misinformation? The camera on this phone is terrible, and that's a fact. Whether it's software or hardware, the image quality is absolutely terrible.
Some of you are in serious denial.
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I am not in denial, I know how to take pictures and how to post process pictures. I have worked extensively with professional photographers. I know what I'm talking about when it comes to pictures and cameras, so please don't try to spread information that I along with others know to be false.
This camera is overall pretty good, obviously you have a defective unit or (the more likely scenario) you just do not know what you are doing. Especially if you are stating that cameras from a year ago are better.

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I am not in denial, I know how to take pictures and how to post process pictures. I have worked extensively with professional photographers. I know what I'm talking about when it comes to pictures and cameras, so please don't try to spread information that I along with others know to be false.
This camera is overall pretty good, obviously you have a defective unit or (the more likely scenario) you just do not know what you are doing. Especially if you are stating that cameras from a year ago are better.
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Right, I don't know what I'm doing. Typical response from someone who thinks the camera is good.
Like I said in another thread, I own two DSLR's and a point and shoot. I've been into photography for over 10 years. But yeah, I don't know how to operate a simple cell phone camera. Gotcha.
The camera is not overall pretty good. Obviously when thousands of people and practically EVERY SINGLE review out there for the Nexus bash the camera, there is something wrong.
It's one of the worst cameras I have ever used on a cell phone.

Sorry OP, but I've seen enough of these threads, and there are still plenty of them to have this discussion. This is just going to turn into another argument thread for users.
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[Q] Camera quality due to hardware or software or both?

Hello all,
Do you think the issues with the Galaxy Nexus camera are due to software issues or is the camera sensor just really that bad? It seems that the low light capability of this camera is even worse than that of the Nexus S. I've never had any issues with my camera phones in the past producing such crap photos as the one this phone produces(HTC Sensation, Nexus S and original Nexus). I'm thinking about just going back to my Nexus S and selling this one.
I've attached two photos that someone posted on Google+ illustrating how bad the Galaxy Nexus compares to the Asus Transformer Prime's camera. This is really frustrating and if I were Google and/or Samsung, I'd be embarrassed.

Not the same angle, not the same focus point which impacts the validity of this comparison.
Also note that there is a little bit more detail in the more grainy shot. This is something that actually could be improved with a software update.

Valynor said:
Not the same angle, not the same focus point which impacts the validity of this comparison.
Also note that there is a little bit more detail in the more grainy shot. This is something that actually could be improved with a software update.
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Hmm...each picture look pretty close to the same angle. I'm more concerned with the graininess of the Galaxy Nexus photo. It seems that the camera's ISO is too high which is why it's producing a grainy picture.

oracleicom said:
Hmm...each picture look pretty close to the same angle. I'm more concerned with the graininess of the Galaxy Nexus photo. It seems that the camera's ISO is too high which is why it's producing a grainy picture.
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It mainly comes down to a balance of exposure time, ISO, picture quality level of the sensor at that ISO and noise reduction algorithms/general software post-processing of the image.
I agree that there is quite some room for improvement in this area on the GN camera. I hope Google/Samsung will address this in an update someday.
Apart from this, any phone camera sucks at low light.

I find the camera really good. The only thing I find kind of strange is how photo's look in a dim room with flash on close up.
Videos look godly

Coming from the SG2 the Nexus certainly is a step backwards. What has impressed me about the Nexus camera is the ability to focus and stay focused, and snap shots almost instantly. The SG2 has issues with focus and delays. In movie mode the SG2 would come in and out of focus even when I have not moved the phone at all. Taking photos of moving objects on the SG2 is a real challenge because of its inability to focus, but having said that the photos that are taken properly do come out very sharp and vibrant, especially given enough daylight.
So where the Nexus improved vastly on focus speed, it fails in image quality. Even in moderate light I see more than usual noise from photos taken with the Nexus.
I look forward to the SGIII.

I just remind myself that I'm taking pictures with a phone. So I don't care. I also have not had issues with photos. Especially when I remind myself, again, that I am using a phone to take pictures with.

mzrdisi said:
I just remind myself that I'm taking pictures with a phone. So I don't care. I also have not had issues with photos. Especially when I remind myself, again, that I am using a phone to take pictures with.
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Yeah dude, I agree. If I want yo take sick photo's, I'd use a camera anyway, even if the phone is the best "camera" phone on the market. Its for quick shots. I agree aswell that the Gnex could be better... But I've seen/used worse. = )

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I just remind myself that I'm taking pictures with a phone. So I don't care. I also have not had issues with photos. Especially when I remind myself, again, that I am using a phone to take pictures with.
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Amen!
That's why I lug a DSLR around with me when I go away for work.
REAL camera = photography, cell phone = phone with a point & shoot camera built into it.

For indoor pics just set your phone to Party preset. Works best.
You can get similar / better results by manually choosing the white balance and exposure settings depending on your light conditions. But for quick snaps, just select party mode and see the difference.
Camera is more than decent.
Personally I am using Camera Zoom FX for most of the time. But in certain low light conditions, stock camera app with party preset actually does much better job.

This is one of the worst camera I seen in years.

This is what really holds me back from buying a GN these days...I would be interested in your guys thoughts: Do you think that there will be some software based improvements within the next weeks? Or is it just the lense (or some hardware stuff like that, not my terrain here^^), which can´t be improved?

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This is what really holds me back from buying a GN these days...I would be interested in your guys thoughts: Do you think that there will be some software based improvements within the next weeks? Or is it just the lense (or some hardware stuff like that, not my terrain here^^), which can´t be improved?
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Hardware is always limiting. No amount of software can make something better than it physically can be. I'm not saying that updates cant fix the issues we're seeing, I actually believe the contrary. There is a lot you can do with software to really tweak things. But you can't compare a phone camera to a DSLR or something like it.
I personally believe google will update the camera but the question is when. Personally I think the camera is great. I think it depends on what you're used to taking pictures with, and how ocd/picky you are about quality. The SGS2 has better camera hardware, but do try to remember the issues it had when it first came out. The camera quality issues of it were patched up really nice with a software update so don't give your hopes up.

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Hardware is always limiting. No amount of software can make something better than it physically can be. I'm not saying that updates cant fix the issues we're seeing, I actually believe the contrary. There is a lot you can do with software to really tweak things. But you can't compare a phone camera to a DSLR or something like it.
I personally believe google will update the camera but the question is when. Personally I think the camera is great. I think it depends on what you're used to taking pictures with, and how ocd/picky you are about quality. The SGS2 has better camera hardware, but do try to remember the issues it had when it first came out. The camera quality issues of it were patched up really nice with a software update so don't give your hopes up.
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Thanks for your input! Yeah I´m coming from an SGSII, atm I´m on a Galaxy Note...so both of my current devices do have better hardware...in the past there was the HD2, which had some terrible software bugs, that have been worked out within months. The last roms I used with the HD2 really pushed the photoquality...

I came from the sgs2 and they are almost identical, I do find the nexus a bit sharper. Great macro
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I started using Shot Control over the stock camera app. It seems to do a better job of with the settings and does give a higher degree of fine tuning them. Give up the panorama mode though, which I love!

People want the highest quality, buy a freaking camera. Or get over it already, stop making this kind of threads.

i am completely dissatisfied with the camera on this phone. I came from a Nexus One to the Gnex. The Nexus one has an AMAAAZING camera on it. Of course HTC uses better hardware. Ill post comparison pics later... damn samsung!

how can i reduce the noise (or grain... i dont know the exact english term) in the pic??
the pics on first posts explain very good the problem.
thx a lot.

daffyno said:
how can i reduce the noise (or grain... i dont know the exact english term) in the pic??
the pics on first posts explain very good the problem.
thx a lot.
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In short...you can't. The hardware in a device this small can't do much more than that.

Official Nokia Lumia 900 picture thread!

Just did a search and see no picture thread so just thought to post one
I dont have this phone yet, but i shall soon after i find someone to trade for my amaze.
I am interested to see pictures taken from the camera though! i take tons of pictures with my amaze and its a pretty important feature for me.
especially macros.
Feel free to post any pictures you guys think are interesting or whatever
also, came across this: http://www.cnet.com/8301-17918_1-57408997-85/nokia-lumia-900-camera-shoot-out-vs-iphone-4-photos/
im already likeing the camera more than the one on the iphone 4s

Now, don't take this wrong, but one thing the 4s has done right is the camera. I've got the Lumia 900, and my wife has the 4s. We both took photos today of the grandkids hunting for eggs, etc... During sunny conditions, I'd say it was a really close toss up. I like the color of the Lumia pics better, but the 4s is slightly sharper.
Where the difference really shows is in dark or low light situations. That's where the 4s moves ahead. The Lumia produces quite a bit of noise, and its harder to make out details. I still really like the photos from the Lumia, but I'm speaking honestly, and the 4s takes the lead here. I'm a big fan of Windows Phone, so believe me, I'd like to be saying otherwise, but I'm being honest.
The video is again VERY close in well lit situations. Of course, there's the difference of 720p vs 1080p, but for most use, it does not seem much different. If viewing directly on the phone, you'd probably never notice the difference. I'm sure on the PC or TV it will show more.
In my opinion, the Lumia is still a great camera, and I can only imagine firmware updates will make it even better. I don't think you can go wrong with a Lumia at this point. Nokia is likely going to support the heck out of it since it is their flagship phone at the moment.
PS: Sorry this is so long winded, but I'm typing in IE9 using my Lumia, and it's amazing how easy and accurate the keyboard is on this thing. I kind of forget I'm on a phone... . Coming from a Focus (another amazing phone), I really like the extra space to type. It's not much, but it makes a big difference.

SuperSport said:
Now, don't take this wrong, but one thing the 4s has done right is the camera. I've got the Lumia 900, and my wife has the 4s. We both took photos today of the grandkids hunting for eggs, etc... During sunny conditions, I'd say it was a really close toss up. I like the color of the Lumia pics better, but the 4s is slightly sharper.
Where the difference really shows is in dark or low light situations. That's where the 4s moves ahead. The Lumia produces quite a bit of noise, and its harder to make out details. I still really like the photos from the Lumia, but I'm speaking honestly, and the 4s takes the lead here. I'm a big fan of Windows Phone, so believe me, I'd like to be saying otherwise, but I'm being honest.
The video is again VERY close in well lit situations. Of course, there's the difference of 720p vs 1080p, but for most use, it does not seem much different. If viewing directly on the phone, you'd probably never notice the difference. I'm sure on the PC or TV it will show more.
In my opinion, the Lumia is still a great camera, and I can only imagine firmware updates will make it even better. I don't think you can go wrong with a Lumia at this point. Nokia is likely going to support the heck out of it since it is their flagship phone at the moment.
PS: Sorry this is so long winded, but I'm typing in IE9 using my Lumia, and it's amazing how easy and accurate the keyboard is on this thing. I kind of forget I'm on a phone... . Coming from a Focus (another amazing phone), I really like the extra space to type. It's not much, but it makes a big difference.
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Yeah, you also have to remember that Sony made the camera on the iphone 4s. I think the camera will only get better on the lumia 900 though, since in almost every review people say "its not as good as the n9" when they have the exact camera.. ive seen sample shots of the n9 and they are simply amazing. im sure they will improve it considering a lot of people are complaining about it.
also, it makes no sense why the iphone would be ahead. the lumia has a better aperture, AND lense.