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There are lots of myths regarding lithium batteries.. some say you are not supposed to overcharge it (charge it only when it's running out)
Some say it doesn't matter since lithium can be recharged as much as you want and it won't deteroriate the battery's life.
Which one? Can I recharge my Touch Pro 2 every night before I go to bed and leave it until morning? or should I do it when it's running out to preserve the battery's life?
You should keep the device on A/C power as much as possible. So, it's fine to charge daily overnight. Every once in a while, you should let the battery run all the way out before recharging. What this will do is keep your battery meter reading accurate. If you don't do this, eventually, your device will "think" it has more juice than it actually does.
Check this:
http://www.batteryuniversity.com/parttwo-34.htm
Ah thanks
So to cut the story short, recharge it as much as you can and prevent the battery ever from being run out
Nahhh, not fully true. Somewhere else on the site of batteryuniversity it sais that completely discharging the battery will reset it's memmory. This is usefull after a lot of charges and discharges (in the beginning, I think they already did this (you may hope).
(the memmory helps the battery know where his power is storaged and how much power the battery has left. But doing this frequent speeds up the battery 's lenght of life
In my experience
Enjoy your device and charge battery when needed/desired
Use it normal
Batteries have a duration of 3-4 years aprox, no matter if you charge it every night or leave it till it´s empty...
When battery fails you buy another one and so on
Just my opinion,
My experience with the battery life on my touch pro 2 is that I will keep the phone usually docked in my cradle on my desk when working so it's always on charge. When I use my battery I wait till it's about 40-30% drained and will stick it on the cradle again.
When I'm in my bed ready to sleep, I use the normal charger and leave it on charge over night.
Still experimenting though.
ilabstudios said:
My experience with the battery life on my touch pro 2 is that I will keep the phone usually docked in my cradle on my desk when working so it's always on charge. When I use my battery I wait till it's about 40-30% drained and will stick it on the cradle again.
When I'm in my bed ready to sleep, I use the normal charger and leave it on charge over night.
Still experimenting though.
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Do you have a cradle for your Rhodium ? Where did you get it ?
Check my battery thread, it will tell you pretty much everything about li-ion batteries and taking care of them
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=519673
quarintus said:
Nahhh, not fully true. Somewhere else on the site of batteryuniversity it sais that completely discharging the battery will reset it's memmory. This is usefull after a lot of charges and discharges (in the beginning, I think they already did this (you may hope).
(the memmory helps the battery know where his power is storaged and how much power the battery has left. But doing this frequent speeds up the battery 's lenght of life
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Hmm, first of all Li-ion batteries have NO MEMORY unlike NiCd batteries. You probably refer to resetting the reading gauge - which is related to device's capability of getting accurate reading rather than battery itself. It is recommended to let the device die once a month and give it a full charge to "recalibrate" phone's battery meter (not the battery).
But you should avoid hitting 100% battery mark as well as going bellow 30% as much as possible.
from my experience as a phone shop owner and owner of many many phones i always advise my customers and friends as follows:
1st charge 10-12 hrs. allow battery to fully discharge
2nd charge at least 8 hrs
after 2nd charge you can charge and use as you want. the initial 2 charges kick start everything and starts your battery cycle on good stead
never had any complaints!
Another thing, is it bad to use your device whilst plugged in?
danmb said:
Another thing, is it bad to use your device whilst plugged in?
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its ok to do that as it will run off ac power while plugged in
danmb said:
Another thing, is it bad to use your device whilst plugged in?
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The battery should be as cold as possible when charged. So if you are using the phone the battery power drains and is charged at the same time. Therefore it gets warmer than without.
Best for the battery is to be charged when the device is switched off completely.
I wouldn't consider that much of a problem, because you have bought the device to use it and not to live in fear that you treat the battery right
when plugged into USB and playing a game on my TP2 I got the message the device is using too much power, and it drained the battery even though recharging via USB. No problems when using AC adapter though.
Used my XDA Orbit 2 for 2 years now, and mostly charged at free will. Battery is still fine, so no special charging rules for me...
I noticed though, that charging over USB takes quite some time while charging over AC cable is done within an hour or so. When looking at my AC it has 5 Watts of output power, while the USB only has 2.5. That would explain your issue with the battery running out even when having the USB cable plugged in.
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Do you have a cradle for your Rhodium ? Where did you get it ?
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http://www.htcaccessorystore.com/uk/p_htc_item.aspx?i=179339
Hi every one,
As far i know, there is a BUG on every official ROM for European GSM Touch Pro2.
When your battery get full charged and keeping it plugged to the wallcharger, then your Pro2 start taking the power from your battery and NOT from the charger.
This can be checked by yourself and you will see that even with it connected, the battery in running down charge, till you unplug it and plug it again after some minutes/seconds.
Yeah, I have noticed it as well. Anyone have a solution?
Not a bug. LiPoly's do not like being trickle charged, therefore the charger turns off.
I have not verified it on the TP2 but I suspect that if you let it sit long enough the battery level would drop to some level and the charger would charge it back to 100%.
This is a rather good new if it can manage battery loads cycles...
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Not a bug. LiPoly's do not like being trickle charged, therefore the charger turns off.
I have not verified it on the TP2 but I suspect that if you let it sit long enough the battery level would drop to some level and the charger would charge it back to 100%.
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It oughta turn the charger off and run the device from the mains, though, not from the battery. Is it doing that?
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It oughta turn the charger off and run the device from the mains, though, not from the battery. Is it doing that?
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No it is NOT doing that, so to me it is a BUG.
just thought i would add this
for some reason on saturday i charged my phone via usb/pc and it lasted less than 24 hrs
so on sunday i drained it and charged it vis the plug
its still going noe
72 hrs 23 mins in stanby 30 mins talk and 4 hrs 7 mins use since 17.43 on 18/10/09
is never been this good so i thought it may be the new rom
http://www.batteryuniversity.com/partone-21.htm
Lithium-ion
(Li-ion)
Do charge the battery often. The battery lasts longer with partial rather than full discharges.
Do not use if pack gets hot during charge. Check also charger.
Charge methods: Constant voltage to 4.20V/cell (typical). No trickle-charge when full. Li-ion may remain in the charger (no memory). Battery must remain cool. No fast-charge possible.
Rapid charge = 3h
also i have read some where on xda that once it reaches 100% it'll stop charging
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It oughta turn the charger off and run the device from the mains, though, not from the battery. Is it doing that?
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You know of any other modern phone that runs off the mains without the battery? None of my last three phones would without the battery.
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You know of any other modern phone that runs off the mains without the battery? None of my last three phones would without the battery.
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My Kaiser will. It turns off when you pull the battery, but you can turn it right back on.
Every one is talking about battery and it's components but no one speaks about that with charger pluged in, it should supply power and by pass the battery once it is fully charged like others models do.
sounds like you all need to do warranty exchanges for that lol
Tallpap said:
sounds like you all need to do warranty exchanges for that lol
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No, what we need is that HTC do what we paid for.
User22 said:
Every one is talking about battery and it's components but no one speaks about that with charger pluged in, it should supply power and by pass the battery once it is fully charged like others models do.
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=571606 some people here probably would help
xnifex said:
it's true, once the TP2 hits 100% it stops charging the battery & the usage time will kick in.
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and on this thread http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=573037&page=4 which a guy says
mattdoyal said:
Just tried my TP2 without the battery and plugged, didn't power on. Why would they take away the ability to power on while plugged in but with the battery removed?? This was and would be a great troubleshooting step. Hey HTC, start building our phones with this option!!
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i hope this helps
Have in mind that once the battery is fully charged, it never go to charge again till you unplug the cable of your wall/car charger... so what will hapen then???
hello anyone know about the issue with the battery ok when i charge my euro tp2 all night and when i go to start>settings>all settings>system>power i then click on the infomation tab and under last full charge i get "not applicable" and get 0 hours and 0minute for the rest
im running the offical htc 6.5 rom
To me this sounds CRAZY. So people are saying that when the device is fully charged it starts to use its battery, thats just crazy... So basically charging it overnight leaves you with "almost" full battery in the morning...
I havent noticed anything out of the ordinary, and every morning when I come and take my device from the charger the charging light is green (opposed to the orange when started charging) and the battery shows to be 100% full.
I will check this again in the morning as I havent really paid 10000% attention to it, but I think I would have noticed the weird behaviour…
noticed this since day 1. my dash didnt do this. i did notice that a soft reset will resume the charge.
This is normal behavior for battery powered devices.
When it's plugged in, the charge circuit charges the battery.
The device itself always runs off the battery when it's available, this is why some devices won't power on without the battery installed, and many devices won't power on with a failed battery installed.
Laptops do the same thing, though they can switch to AC only without losing their state.
It's a holdover I think from when electronics couldn't switch between power sources fast enough to not lose anything (I remember the original game boy would reset no matter what if you tried to switch between batt and AC). It's possible that cell phones can't make this transition since there isn't really extra space to stuff in the bits that allow this (some large-ish caps).
I've also heard that this reduces wear on the electronics, because the voltage is more reliable, but I've never seen that documented.
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The device itself always runs off the battery when it's available, this is why some devices won't power on without the battery installed, and many devices won't power on with a failed battery installed.
Laptops do the same thing, though they can switch to AC only without losing their state.
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I don't think this is true for (modern) laptops. All the macbooks and thinkpads that I've owned had a feature that if you plug it in while the battery is above X% (usually around 96) it will not charge. It even gives a message saying "Not Charging" in the battery status. The battery percentage then stays constant no matter how long I use the laptop, so it is not DIScharging either. Therefore it must be running from AC. If it can do that, I doubt they would have it run off the battery as soon as it is charged to 100% on a full charge cycle. I think any time AC is plugged in, a modern laptop will run from AC rather than battery, regardless of whether it is currently charging the battery. However, that's just my theory from personal observations.
Hi all,
I've been having issues with my phone lasting nowhere as long as my girlfriends identical one,
I installed Quick System Info on both phones, Killed all tasks.. Not only is my display duller than hers on the lowest setting using the power control widget but the voltage on my battery is 3737mV while hers is 4071mV..
Is this cause for concern?
Update, forgot to mention, this is from a full charge on both handsets.
Sounds like your battery is fu#ked!
There seems to be an issue with the way android reports the battery voltage. If I leave my phone on the charger until the light goes green and the indicator says 100%, the voltage will often report between 4.146v - 4.156v.
Upon unplugging the phone would drop to 99% and 4.125v almost immediately.
I noticed the other day that after leaving the battery on the charger overnight the voltage was reporting as 4.206v and I was able to use the phone for over 15min before it dropped to 99% from 100%.
Minimum voltage before your phone powers off is around 3.6v - 3.650v. So 3.737 is pretty close to the cut-off point. The OS is may report 100% charge but your battery is not holding charge.
I had a battery on a different device that was like this. The battery had collapsed. I could charge it for 24hrs and it would not make a difference. Within 30min of use or 1 phone call it would die.
Does your battery have any bugles, bumps or protrusions? This is often a sign of a collapsed battery.
Edit: Don't write when you're tired, silly things come out of your fingers! Soz!
have you tried to swap batteries between the two phones. That will exclude either your phone or the battery from being faulty.
Yes, after scratching my head for a few days I did eventualy come up with the genius idea of putting the battery from the other phone into my phone!! and after charging it up, set it down for an hour and then checked and the battery was on 98% !!
So it looks like there is something wrong with my battery, This morning I woke up and my phone had been charging for 7 hours and was fully charged, I looked at the battery meter and it said 100%, I turned the phone off then back on and checked again.. 90% ???? WTF ??? just from turning the phone off and on?
I noticed something about the battery meter.
If you power on your phone when the charger is plugged in, the battery meter shows a higher value.
If you power on your phone when no charger is connected, the battery meter shows a lower value.
And these values stay for as long as your phone is not rebooted. My guess is, the value without charger plugged in (lower value) is more accurate.
So, if you want to make your battery meter more accurate, try this:
- Disconnect your phone from the charger
- Power off the phone
- Power on the phone again (phone must be disconnected from charger)
- After phone has booted into Android, plug the phone into USB/charger to charge it again
If you could try this out and see if the observation is always true, then maybe we should make this procedure standard to get a more accurate battery meter reading.
So this may have caused the fact that my phone keeps telling me, while charging, the battery is fully charged however it says 95% as soons as its unplugged
Power off the phone and connect charger while it's off, wait for the 100% sign on the fully green battery, then unplug the cord and connect it again, you can do this a couple of times. And resetting the battery stats should also help in some way.
opica said:
Power off the phone and connect charger while it's off, wait for the 100% sign on the fully green battery, then unplug the cord and connect it again, you can do this a couple of times. And resetting the battery stats should also help in some way.
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What I'm suggesting is a bit different.
Power off phone.
Power on phone again, without plugging anything in.
After phone has booted, plug in charger.
EDIT: I notice this difference in battery meter reading tends to happen only with the *real* charger, and not when connect to a USB port on a PC.
That is right hardcore. This also refers to post-flashing boot.
I always disconnect device as soon as flashing procedure completes.
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I noticed something about the battery meter.
If you power on your phone when the USB charger/cable is plugged in, the battery meter shows a higher value.
If you power on your phone when no USB charger/cable is connected, the battery meter shows a lower value.
And these values stay for as long as your phone is not rebooted. My guess is, the value without USB plugged in (lower value) is more accurate.
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Hey,
Heres whats happening:
Lithium-ion batteries dont like it when you charge them while full. It wears them down. So to preserve batterylife it charges untill full, then stops charging completely. When it droppes down to far, it'll charge again for a bit. The phone will show full, in reality it'll be a little less. When you unplug it will drop down quickly to a more precise value. Bump-charging (disconnect, reconnect charger) works, however you are wearing the batterylife down. Could be you dont care, so it'll be youre own choice.
Older phones do not do this. They charge till full, then trickle power continuesly so it'll always be full when disconnected.
Hope this helps.
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Hey,
Heres whats happening:
Lithium-ion batteries dont like it when you charge them while full. It wears them down. So to preserve batterylife it charges untill full, then stops charging completely. When it droppes down to far, it'll charge again for a bit. The phone will show full, in reality it'll be a little less. When you unplug it will drop down quickly to a more precise value. Bump-charging (disconnect, reconnect charger) works, however you are wearing the batterylife down. Could be you dont care, so it'll be youre own choice.
Older phones do not do this. They charge till full, then trickle power continuesly so it'll always be full when disconnected.
Hope this helps.
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I'm not talking about the usual Li-ion full-charge effects. Also it may not be true that other phones don't do this. For sure, many laptops do this - after the battery charges to 100%, they won't charge the battery until it decreases to a certain level, say 95%.
I'm referring to the difference in battery meter reading if u boot the phone while connected to the wall charger, vs booting the phone when it's disconnected from the charger.
What you say is right, I am used to power OFF my phone & charge it at night, & when I get up, switch it ON while still plugged in. I must make it a point to remove the cable before I switch ON.
I noticed this many months ago and it persists even after flashing many different firmwares. It actually comes in handy some times. For instance when my battery is running low and i need to step out i simply plug in the charger, power off then power back on. Phone instantly jumps 30% or so. But generally i tend to power on without the charger attached so as not to stuff up the battery stats.
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Anyway this behavior is not correct.
Samsung changed recently battery drivers in JPX sources and the problem is still persistent. I suspect it might be related to wrong battery voltage measuring point (hardware design flaw? although most problems with sgs are/were software related) or result misinterpretation.
Or their Q/A team is so clueless that they didnt notice that.
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EDIT: I notice this difference in battery meter reading tends to happen only with the *real* charger, and not when connect to a USB port on a PC.
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I just tested this. 5% battery. Reboot with usb plugged in. 50%battery. The battery also seems to drain really fast after the reboot.
I am plugged in using original usb cable in a usb on the front panel of my pc...
Edit: im still plugged in and it's going down... i boot with usb at 50% leave it in and while charging the battery goes down... i left it in and now it's going 49...48...47 while charging... wtf lol
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Lightarrow said:
I just tested this. 5% battery. Reboot with usb plugged in. 50%battery. The battery also seems to drain really fast after the reboot.
I am plugged in using original usb cable in a usb on the front panel of my pc...
Edit: im still plugged in and it's going down... i boot with usb at 50% leave it in and while charging the battery goes down... i left it in and now it's going 49...48...47 while charging... wtf lol
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My guess is this is because the actual level of the battery is 5%, and 'cause it's plugged in it's saying 50% for some strange reason. So really you're charging from 5% up to 50% (and eventually more, but that aside), and I think the phone is averaging between your actual battery level and the 50% every time you go up 1%? Just my guess.
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My guess is this is because the actual level of the battery is 5%, and cause it's plugged in it's saying 50% for some strange reason. So really you're charging from 5% up to 50% (and eventually more, but that aside), and I think the phone is averaging between you're actual battery level and the 50% every time you go up 1%? Just my guess.
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Yeay that is what im thinking too weird stuff.
@hardcore : just tried your suggestion. I shut down with the cable plugged in. Remove it. Reboot. But my battery is still at 47... ill try to go into cwm to see if that triggers something. Or maybe remove the battery and insert it again...
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Ok. I tried this : removed my battery, waited 5 seconds, reput my battery, reboot all with charger unplugged. Battery went from 47 to 52. So this had no effect.
Then i shut down the phone, used 3br to get into recovery (cwm) did nothing except select reboot phone now and the phone rebooted, now 12% battery.
Btw using all tweaks in your kernel except tun.
Weird stuff...
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noticed this months back too but didnt think much about it.
i just figured the software is reading the higher voltage during charge and reporting it wrong during boot.
*could be wrong
EDIT: and the diff is quite big, increase of 20-30%
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What I'm suggesting is a bit different.
Power off phone.
Power on phone again, without plugging anything in.
After phone has booted, plug in charger.
EDIT: I notice this difference in battery meter reading tends to happen only with the *real* charger, and not when connect to a USB port on a PC.
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what @weirder post is the true fact about the lithium ion charge process. your charging method is called bump charging. but that way of charging the juice wear off the battery life sooner than normal charging..
I've been checking out the battery meter source code, and I think the battery level is calculated *only* from the battery voltage. Which is quite inaccurate, compared to laptop batteries which keep track of the charge, etc.
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I've been checking out the battery meter source code, and I think the battery level is calculated *only* from the battery voltage. Which is quite inaccurate, compared to laptop batteries which keep track of the charge, etc.
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This could be improved by using its temperature. Since the SoC is a function of temperature, charge history, and current evolution over the time.
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I tried the bump charging till the meter says 100% and right after unplugging from the charger the meter reads 98%. I let the battery drain up to 96% and connected my phone into a usb port of my PC and when the meter say its 100% charged, i disconnected the phone from the usb port and wallah...it stays at 100% charged and it has been at 100% even after 15 minutes...
I really don't recommend bump charging. You risk damaging your battery by overcharging. Or worse, making it blow up due to overcharging! I know it sounds paranoid but you never know...
Just wondered how most people are charging there One X? Personally I always turn it off and allow it to charge until the light goes green. I've never charged it when it's still been turned on.
I've never switched off any of my android phone's whilst charging. What happens if you get a call? I also try to alternate between charging on my pc and the wall charger.
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I've never switched off any of my android phone's whilst charging. What happens if you get a call? I also try to alternate between charging on my pc and the wall charger.
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Yeah fair statement, I had thought about that. I wasn't sure if it was bad to say plug the phone in at 11pm until 7am (8 hours) charging whilst it being turned on? I assumed if it was going to be plugged in say for that long that you should turn it off.
I just plug it in - went to bed on 80% last night but fair enough I'd hardly used the phone all day (standby battery life is incredible)
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I just plug it in - went to bed on 80% last night but fair enough I'd hardly used the phone all day (standby battery life is incredible)
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So you stuck it on charge just to boost that extra 20% yeah? How come you didn't just leave it until it was low?
Should of asked if people would partially charge it or if they always ensure its fully charged.. Can't amend the poll now though.
I was thinking about trying that - might do that tonight and see how it lasts...
I plug it in to a usb cable
i charge my hox every night on the wall charger while turned on. even if it has 80% left. i am to afraid that my battery level goes under 20% (i heard that falling under that level can damage batteries).
N3m3515 said:
i charge my hox every night on the wall charger while turned on. even if it has 80% left. i am to afraid that my battery level goes under 20% (i heard that falling under that level can damage batteries).
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Where did you hear that? Mines dropped to 14% before and I then turned it off and charged it and the battery still seems fine. Wasn't aware you could damage the battery if it got too low...
I killed my battery first 2 charges - never have in the past but thought I would this time
I have always charged with the phone on, all my phones since way back having an analogue Nokia mobile and never had any battery issues. Only time I have ever switched my phones off is if I was getting on a plane or the battery got really low and didn't want it to go completely flat.
Just plug it in whenever. Modern li-poly batteries doesn't have memory and charge cycle life is based on full charges.
Part charges actually increase life due to low % cycling
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Just plug it in whenever. Modern li-poly batteries doesn't have memory and charge cycle life is based on full charges.
Part charges actually increase life due to low % cycling
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Agreed.
One thing to note is that you should never let it completely drain the battery, the phone will switch itself off once the battery reaches critical level then it needs a charge. I'd recommend charging it when it reaches 5-15%.
Also I'd never leave it charging over night it interrupts the cycle, if I have to charge it over night I set an alarm to go of after a few hours and unplug it.
i have 3 or 4 charges from different makes-and only htc charges the quickest. the worst is usb cable and car charger. but due to usage i need to charge twice a day
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Also I'd never leave it charging over night it interrupts the cycle, if I have to charge it over night I set an alarm to go of after a few hours and unplug it.
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Dude...
I always charge overnight - purely for convenience really.
Can you explain the above to me? I'm not sure what you mean by it interupts the cycle?
How does it effect the battery ?
Thanks alot
Dean
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Just plug it in whenever. Modern li-poly batteries doesn't have memory and charge cycle life is based on full charges.
Part charges actually increase life due to low % cycling
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You are 100% right most modern phone battery’s don’t have memory any more so no need to worry about it, and no need to do full discharge and recharge cycles to maintain battery health, and if they do they normally tell you in warning labels or in instruction manuals, for example I recently bought a new shaver and it tells you to do a full discharge and then leave it on charge for at least 12 hours every 3 months to maintain battery life.
N3m3515 said:
i charge my hox every night on the wall charger while turned on. even if it has 80% left. i am to afraid that my battery level goes under 20% (i heard that falling under that level can damage batteries).
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batteries have safety features built in so don't worry. What for you looks like 0-1% left - what android is showing you, might be actually 10-20% as seen internally by the battery.
Also, I have completely discharged my phone once, I simply left it at 1% and waited until it shut off. Then I charged to 100%. From then on, I charge whenever I want, phone is always ON.
Ebay 2m cable (the HTC one's length is a joke).
I use a charging cable.
My friend sticks it next to his head and uses his brainwaves to charge it.
Both seem to work fine.
Im really sorry for this post. I could not resist.
You guys are ridiculous. Just plug the phone in and it charges.
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