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[Q] USB OTG *AND* charging at the same time.

Hello,
Can you have USB OTG and phone charging at the same time? Or even better: HDMI + USB OTG + charging? Without power the phone discharges fast, not to mention - with HDMI out connected I won't be able to connect external HD with movies... Oh, bother...
Or is there some magic do-it-all dongle?

I need it too .
I hate some cable in my bag. One Cable for all is great

USB OTG does not support charging as it has to supply current to the external device.
MHL (HDMI output) does.

Dude, I really hope I'm not misunderstanding, but what is the problem to which 'USB OTG and charging at the same time' is the solution?
Surely you pop your USB stick in, transfer the file and then... stick the charger/HDMI cable back in... and stream wirelessly/over your network?
What were you hoping to achieve? There are several options...

Just taking a guess... maybe he wants to use keyboard and mouse etc with his phone, desktop style
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Or maybe I just want to play anything from my 1TB HD WITHOUT deciding what should I copy to my phone (which is a waste of time...)

ssuukk said:
Or maybe I just want to play anything from my 1TB HD WITHOUT deciding what should I copy to my phone (which is a waste of time...)
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I wanted to do the same thing but it isn't possible . I do however stream from my nas if I don't want to copy stuff to the phone.

Technically, the USB-OTG standard includes provisions for handling this.
There are several occasions where you would want to plug an accessory into a USB-OTG port and still be able to hold the state-of-charge in the host device.
The specific document: Battery Charging Specification, rev 1.2
ACA subsection (Accessory Charger Adapter)
The ID_OTG pin acts as an input in this mode of operating, indicating whether or not the host is allowed to charge.
Figure 6-6 shows the typical architecture.

Sounds promising. I will look into that! Thanx.

Any news on this?? :fingers-crossed:

so can we use otg and mhl at the same time without charging

Yes, this is pretty much possible. I have implemented the aforementioned OTG ACA support and got it to CyanogenMod9 upstream. Anything which uses the same kernel (or, if you can cherry-pick changes and compile your own kernels), could use that too. Changeset URL: _ttp://review.cyanogenmod.com/#/c/15850/
You need to use a regular USB OTG cable, but place a 36 KOhm resistor between ID pin and GND, then you should connect GND and Vdd to some power source. I used an MHL adapter which I had no use for, as it had two of three connectors I needed. This setup allows me to watch movies from 2.5" notebook hard drive while simultaneously charging my phone if I plug in a 2A-rated adapter. Note that it's impossible to use 650mA charging rate due to chip restrictions (USB HC is too stupid to understand the direction of current flow, and it reports an over-current condition); you have to settle on 450mA.
If you don't know how to solder, or if you use something else than CyanogenMod9 and cannot compile your own kernels, you are out of luck.
I have tried to find an existing USB OTG ACA dongle, but I was not able to find any. If you will be more lucky than me, you can just use it--my patch is compliant with USB specification and will support any compatible dongle.

It's possible.
You need cable y usb. I did it myself.
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What parts do I need?
wojtaz131 said:
It's possible.
You need cable y usb. I did it myself.
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What specific parts did you use for your OTG / Power Y
The ability to charge my device while playing video off a usb flashdrive is my goal for this.

ZedZardoz said:
What specific parts did you use for your OTG / Power Y
The ability to charge my device while playing video off a usb flashdrive is my goal for this.
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A few wires. See my post above for the details.

whitequark said:
Yes, this is pretty much possible. I have implemented the aforementioned OTG ACA support and got it to CyanogenMod9 upstream. Anything which uses the same kernel (or, if you can cherry-pick changes and compile your own kernels), could use that too. Changeset URL: _ttp://review.cyanogenmod.com/#/c/15850/
You need to use a regular USB OTG cable, but place a 36 KOhm resistor between ID pin and GND, then you should connect GND and Vdd to some power source. I used an MHL adapter which I had no use for, as it had two of three connectors I needed. This setup allows me to watch movies from 2.5" notebook hard drive while simultaneously charging my phone if I plug in a 2A-rated adapter. Note that it's impossible to use 650mA charging rate due to chip restrictions (USB HC is too stupid to understand the direction of current flow, and it reports an over-current condition); you have to settle on 450mA.
If you don't know how to solder, or if you use something else than CyanogenMod9 and cannot compile your own kernels, you are out of luck.
I have tried to find an existing USB OTG ACA dongle, but I was not able to find any. If you will be more lucky than me, you can just use it--my patch is compliant with USB specification and will support any compatible dongle.
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Duh, I read right past this post... 36KOhm on ID <<< got it, now to experiment!

wow!
it would be amazing if such a device existed!

Hello,
I'm new to this forum as i didn't need it yet but now I have a question.
I know this thread is kind of old and I'm not sure if there are still (m)any people using a GT-I9100... though it would be interesting if anyone found a solution on this topic.
I read several threads where people were discussion if charging and OTG is possible at the same time but no one could verify a specific resistor. Actually i tried a resistor valued 124k between GND and ID but it didn't work. I also read about 36k and other values but nothing verified. Could take a while to try several resistors but i really no one knows a solution i'd try this
So just so sum up, i don't need "MHL and charging" or "audio out and charging". The mode i'm looking for is "OTG and charging".
My Goal: a Docking Station with mouse, keyboard, flash drive(s) and charging to remote control my computer with a software like splashtop.
Hopefully anyone has useful information on this, thanks a lot for any kind of support

burnsn said:
So just so sum up, i don't need "MHL and charging" or "audio out and charging". The mode i'm looking for is "OTG and charging".
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You need a kernel patch to make it work. See http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=30141914&postcount=12

whitequark said:
You need a kernel patch to make it work. See http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=30141914&postcount=12
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Thanks for your answer!
Today i made my 36k cable, this weekend i should have some time for the kernel patch - hopefully
I still have some questions about the kernel as i didn't use any custom ROMs etc on my phone. All I have is a "standard" root kernel without any further changes but root. Need some hours to read into this. What i didn't understand: Do I have to use a specific CM9 or can i use any CM9 (or maybe CM10 or any other CM past 9)?
I wasn't able to get the link working "_ttp://review.cyanogenmod.com/#/c/15850/" when replacing "_" with "h". What can I find on that page?

[Q] USB host? Is it possible with the a100?

Hello friends, I am new to this forum, but certainly not new to the tablet world. I purchased the iconia a100 a few weeks ago and I must say it is a superb tablet in almost everyway. That being said, I am trying to come up with a solution for the lacking usb host on this tablet. I am certainly not a dev, but I am wondering if there is anything in the works for a working usb host? Does anyone know if acer has any plans to offer an adapter or even a different docking station with the usb host working from the 40 pin? If anyone has any ideas or would like to start a project i will be glad to help in anyway I can. While i was researching this usb host problem i see that there was a very sinilar situation with the galaxy which has since been resolved. Any suggestions? Thanks

Not yet possible, but you can pretty much count on it to be baked into a custom ROM when we get the ability to fully unlock and root this device. Root is already possible, and done. Unfortunately, we cant really do much development on it right now due to the encrypted bootloader. Most devs are waiting for the ics update in January to get the ball rolling on tweaks and hacks to the a100.
Sit tight, they'll have you up and running in no time
ummmmm............ could you repeat that?

This is also #1 on my wishlist. However, I don't know if that is even possible with a custom ROM; it requires the hardware to support it and I don't recall seeing any teardown that states that it would be possible.

I've seen it done in various phones, but don't know if its been posted on any here, but I'm sure a search on the forum would help find them. Its a matter of reconfiguring the port in the programming and getting an adapter from micro USB to standard USB.
But don't quote me on any of this, I could be mistaken with other devices. There has been talk about USB hosting on the a100 before.
ummmmm............ could you repeat that?

Yes, you would need something called an OTG (on the go) adapter. The hardware in the device has to support host, so it is not JUST software.

I can confirm that i have tried the otg adapter as well as other adapters...and it only works as slave. I would just like someone to confirm that usb host is possible [that the harware supports host capabilities]. I am just glad to see there are more people interested in fixing this problem as this tablet is superfast and top quality in every other way in my opinion. Thanks again

Maybe something comes out of
http://www.circuitsathome.com/mcu/programming/android_adk_compatible_usb_host_library_release

I ordered an OTG cable and once it comes I will take a look at enabling USB host mode.
I am guessing that the hardware supports USB host, but will need a kernel module and some scripts to enable it.
I also suspect that the USB port will not supply power to an attached device. If this is the case, the workaround is to attach a powered USB hub to the OTG cable.
Crossing my fingers, and waiting for that OTG cable to come in the mail...

flar2 said:
I ordered an OTG cable and once it comes I will take a look at enabling USB host mode.
I am guessing that the hardware supports USB host, but will need a kernel module and some scripts to enable it.
I also suspect that the USB port will not supply power to an attached device. If this is the case, the workaround is to attach a powered USB hub to the OTG cable.
Crossing my fingers, and waiting for that OTG cable to come in the mail...
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USB host is enabled in the kernel. Hardware does support USB host.
Acer left it off the board entirely, so I doubt much can be done without hardware modding, which I'm all for lol.
Tapatalked from my Galaxy S II.

Sounds grim if the hardware connection is not there, are we sure that the port is just not supplying power?
do the kernel modules load? (e.g. usb-hid, usb-storage)
Has anyone actually tried to:
a) insmod the correct modules
b) force change to host mode (the device probably has to be either slave or host, not both at once)
c) connect something (e.g. a mouse or a thumbdrive) through the otg cable and a powered usb hub?
At least I won't have to build a kernel to test this out.

flar2 said:
Sounds grim if the hardware connection is not there, are we sure that the port is just not supplying power?
do the kernel modules load? (e.g. usb-hid, usb-storage)
Has anyone actually tried to:
a) insmod the correct modules
b) force change to host mode (the device probably has to be either slave or host, not both at once)
c) connect something (e.g. a mouse or a thumbdrive) through the otg cable and a powered usb hub?
At least I won't have to build a kernel to test this out.
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I know this comes up every now and then, I really dont know how far anyone gets before giving up. Feel free to try out whatever you want, while I don't care about USB host I know a lot of people do and would love an update on any progress anyone can make. Even if its just things that don't work.
Acer is generally lazy and cheap, we use the same kernel source as the a500 which has host, which is why we also have it. It could be modules, though I doubt its so simple. Also a powered hub would be needed, there is no power supplied to the port that anyone has found. This could be remedied with some hardware work I'm sure. The hub would also need to be one way, meaning not dumping power to host as I doubt the a100 will take it and without protection would likely suffer damage if the power pins are even hooked up.
The system itself runs at 12v though I'm sure there's a 5v rail someplace but if it can support powering anything past maybe a flash drive is unknown.
Take a visit to iconia-dev on free node, they'll know more of this then probably anyone here does lol
Tapatalked from my Galaxy S II.

The A500 does not implement USB otg, but rather a standard USB port. In other words, USB otg is not necessary for the A500 since it has a standard port. The USB otg standard allows a the port to act as both master and slave depending on the connection. In the A100 service manual, the schematic shows only one connection to the chipset (client), host is unconnected, which could be a problem. However, it is known that the Tegra 2 can support otg connections. I'm not certain, but it may be possible that by shorting pins 4 and 5 in the micro usb connector (ie, using an otg cable) and with the proper kernel level support, the A100 could still act as a USB host, albeit with no power supply to the micro USB port.
I'll continue to investigate this once I have a chance to build otg support into the kernel and recieve the otg cable.

flar2 said:
The A500 does not implement USB otg, but rather a standard USB port. In other words, USB otg is not necessary for the A500 since it has a standard port. The USB otg standard allows a the port to act as both master and slave depending on the connection. In the A100 service manual, the schematic shows only one connection to the chipset (client), host is unconnected, which could be a problem. However, it is known that the Tegra 2 can support otg connections. I'm not certain, but it may be possible that by shorting pins 4 and 5 in the micro usb connector (ie, using an otg cable) and with the proper kernel level support, the A100 could still act as a USB host, albeit with no power supply to the micro USB port.
I'll continue to investigate this once I have a chance to build otg support into the kernel and recieve the otg cable.
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Thanks for that, but one thing, its already in the kernel. However Linux society and/or waydownsouth would know more about what's in there, I just know it isn't blocked there. Modules etc I don't know. I look forward to seeing some progress on this topic.
Tapatalked from my Galaxy S II.

Pulled the kernel config from my tablet, you are correct, otg support is built into the kernel.
I'm using ezterry's kernel, almost everything is built in, there are only a few modules that have nothing to do with this.

I tested with an OTG cable, which shorts pins 4 and 5 in the micro usb connector. As expected, this did not enable USB host mode.
I tested wtih 5V going into the micro usb connection, as some of the non-powered devices need that voltage applied to activate the port, still nothing. (and no damage!)
I added a few other things to the kernel, the dmesg output changed slightly compared ezterry kernel
When connecting otg cable with 5V, dmesg shows:
tegra-otg tegra-otg: SUSPEND --> PERHIPHERAL
vbus connected, lock wakelock
tegra-otg tegra-otg: PERHIPHERAL --> SUSPEND
tegra_usb_phy_power_off(inst:0), phy->regulator_on: 1, line : 2754
tegra_usb_phy_power_off(inst:0), tegra_get_revision(): 0
vbus disconnected, unlock wakelock
android_work: did not send uevent (0 0 (null))

In the possibility that USB host is not possible on the micro usb port, a hardware mod could be done. There are points for a mini PCI-E connector on the motherboard (this is where the 3G module would be for A101). Solder wires to pins 36 and 38 for USB data, 4 for ground and connect them to a usb port. The PCI-E only gives 3.3V, but power could be supplied by a powered hub instead. There is even space inside the unit to mount a micro usb connector on the end with the power button.
The main roadblock is that the solder points are on the back side of the pcboard so you have to fully disassemble the unit to remove the motherboard. It would actually be fairly easy to do if the points were showing when you remove the back cover.
I don't think I have the nerve to actually try this.

flar2 said:
In the possibility that USB host is not possible on the micro usb port, a hardware mod could be done. There are points for a mini PCI-E connector on the motherboard (this is where the 3G module would be for A101). Solder wires to pins 36 and 38 for USB data, 4 for ground and connect them to a usb port. The PCI-E only gives 3.3V, but power could be supplied by a powered hub instead. There is even space inside the unit to mount a micro usb connector on the end with the power button.
The main roadblock is that the solder points are on the back side of the pcboard so you have to fully disassemble the unit to remove the motherboard. It would actually be fairly easy to do if the points were showing when you remove the back cover.
I don't think I have the nerve to actually try this.
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Well if you want to play it like that, you can use a mini pci-e > usb adapter, which is also available with and without sata too lol. It would, maybe, depending on the board used, even line up with the sim slot, so minimal case cutting would be needed to make it accessible for usb. Straight drop in for an A101, though we lack the actual slot for it. Might be something I'll try later on.
Edit: I forget, does the sim slot line up with the pci-e slot? Been awhile since I saw the inside of one, so I may be wrong on that point.

There isn't an actual mini pci-e connector in my tab, it's just the solder points, so you would have to solder on a connector to use the adapter. The sim slot doesn't line up. But it looks like the empty sim slot is not high enough for a micro usb port to fit anyway.

I tried the hardware mod. Unfortunately the mini pci-e is not hooked up to the system. In other news, the motherboard is very easy to remove and reinstall.

there is a ROM in which they have implemented the usb otg?
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Cables to use phone as desktop?

Hi folks,
As I understand it, the Glide supports both HDMI out and USB On the Go. What I'd like to do is set up my phone to be a basic laptop.
The first part of my plan is to get the right cables. Does anyone know of a combo cable that provides both HDMI female and USB A female to the phone so I can hook one end up to a powered hub with an ethernet dongle and keyboard/mouse thing, and at the same time hook up an external display? Also, if I do this, I assume the hub will need to provide power in some way back to the phone. Is that correct?
Or is this going to be so expensive I should just use a cheap computer?
Thanks.
Jonathan

fighttheangrybunny said:
As I understand it, the Glide supports both HDMI out and USB On the Go. What I'd like to do is set up my phone to be a basic laptop.
The first part of my plan is to get the right cables. Does anyone know of a combo cable that provides both HDMI female and USB A female to the phone so I can hook one end up to a powered hub with an ethernet dongle and keyboard/mouse thing, and at the same time hook up an external display? Also, if I do this, I assume the hub will need to provide power in some way back to the phone. Is that correct?
Or is this going to be so expensive I should just use a cheap computer?
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1633902&highlight=hdmi ?
Assuming a computer on site, you could always vnc.
From past experience with other PDA's, you will -quickly- grow tired of this and end up purchasing a laptop anyways.
Not that you'd want to be internet'ting, much, on a TV, either. For anything short of a quick search, weather, TV guide, you're going to want to cross the room to your laptop, IMO.
Which is probably what you'd have your HDMI connected up to, anyways. Although using the Glide as a remote in that situation is probably attractive. Or as an XBMC control sort of thing, but, again, likely the content would come off the computer rather than the glide, the glide just remotely controlling it.
You can easily test how you find this, either by using a bluetooth keyboard and playing (never mind the external screen for the moment), or by vnc'ing to it from a computer (pretend it's a bluetooth keyboard and it's an external monitor, for the moment).
Technically possible, not practically feasible.
Chromebook?

Just get cheap laptop. It will serve you better and will be much easier to use
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HDMI out is supported by the SoC, but to the best of our knowledge those pins aren't actually connected to anything in our phones. That said, there's a protocol for outputting to an HDMI device via a USB dongle that doesn't require any hardware infrastructure beyond USB OtG, which we have.
In theory, you could get a powered USB hub (it MUST be powered, no way in hell the phone can put out enough current to support all this), plug a keyboard and mouse into it along with one of those USB-to-HDMI dongles, then hook the phone up to it as a host using an OtG cable. At that point it's just a matter of ROM/kernel support of all the peripheral hardware. (Ask dman? Nah, I'm sure he's WAY too busy.)

If you are just using it for media as like an htpc, I'd reccomend skipping all the usbotg stuff and just connecting a net book or some other cheap PC to your display.
My current setup: old netbook with 1tb external hooked into TV, controlled by the glide (unified remote app) and the external drive is also network shared so my glide (and tablet) can read from it.
Its served me well for playing all of my local video files as well as flash video and light browsing. Depends what you're using it for though, I suppose.
The only time I've ever really used HDMI out with android is to play n64 emulators (or other games that support a bt controller) or if my girlfriend is watching desperate housewives or something on the main setup. It works well enough for that, but not enough that I would make a habit of it.

Can I use MHL to display video output on my computer?

I have an acer aspire 7560, it does have an hdmi port, but I don't want to have to buy an adapter for something that I don't know would even work for video input. I want to know: is there some way that I can use a normal, oem supplied, usb cable for this and simply connect it to the computer, figure out some stuff on the ubuntu end, and just use my laptop as an external display?

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I have an acer aspire 7560, it does have an hdmi port, but I don't want to have to buy an adapter for something that I don't know would even work for video input. I want to know: is there some way that I can use a normal, oem supplied, usb cable for this and simply connect it to the computer, figure out some stuff on the ubuntu end, and just use my laptop as an external display?
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Short answer: no
Explanation: your HDMI port is solely for outbound connections only, to a TV or monitor. There are very few laptops that have the ability to receive an HDMI input.
As for doing it with USB there are third party apps like BBQDroid and MirrorOp that will let you, but its nearly impractical for the Nexus. Trust me, I've been trying for over a year to get even the right ROM/kernel combo to maintain a reasonable lagfree experience using them and its hopeless. We don't have the power. Sure, you can do it. But don't expect to do anything without huge performance drops.

I have a new tv that supports hdmi, but it also has usb 2.0 in, and I do not have a hdmi mhl adapter. Would a normal oem cable work for that?

dreamwave said:
I have a new tv that supports hdmi, but it also has usb 2.0 in, and I do not have a hdmi mhl adapter. Would a normal oem cable work for that?
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Nope. USB port on your TV is for connecting media devices with music/videos/pictures and does not support the feature your looking for.
I have had success using the Mirror for CM11 application by koush with Airserver on my PC. Info to get it here. You must join the community and beta before it shows up in Play Store.
It works over WiFi network so long as your PC has AirServer, which is an Apple app supposed to be for idevices but the app picks it up anyway. The free version of Airserver is only 7 day trial. It will slow your phone down somewhat, but not anywhere near as bad as other apps. I've used it some, and it works well. But it has limited use with only a trial for Airserver. Such a bummer there, but give it a shot for the 7 days and support it and koush if you it
Good luck

OTG Cable Working Same tIme USB and Charge

Good afternoon,
possibly should already be several topics with this topic, but I can not see if there is the possibility to be able to connect via cable to a gamepad tablet while an external battery .
Does someone can help me ?
Thank you

Game Pads have AFAIK no driver support in Android, except if they can emulate a mouse or keyboard. With a kb emulation or mouse and kb combined, it could well work, theoretically.
But no charging at the same time. Older Notes with their custom port could do such. USB3 offers not much relief, but USB-C could be perfect, with a dock. For the future.

Thanks for your response. so is there any dock that you think works?

Nope, that would have to be an "intelligent" dock with support by the Note's firmware, thus being an official Samsung peripheral. An Usb2 port can draw up to 0,5A during data transfer, but the Note does not charge when active and connected to a usb port, only in standby. Such an "intelligent dock" could charge at 2A while there's no data transfer and also provide MHL and more, but it never got invented...

OK thank you for the information. therefore anything done, even just buying another trablet .

Can you help me.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/31151540831...b019ab9ca05&bu=44419278023&cp=1&sojTags=bu=bu
this cable will works?
The seller tell me that will works.
Thanks

It looks interesting. I don't know how it will handle the charging matter. Probably the current is only run thru the hub while the Note is in standby. But anything else won't work anyway with the Note. I also don't know whether it will deliver 0,5 or 2A and whether you have to remove all attached usb devices first. There must be some logic to switch between data transmission and charge mode and best such is controlled by the Note, but that would have been Samsungs job,to provide something like Microsoft's Continuum. But i'm not sure whether the Continuum adapter can charge the device. This is probably a huge weak point of that concept.