Develop Bugs

As much as I love this site...

It certainly has some goofy friggen rules. I understand locking things out for spammers and all that jazz, but man...come on...I can't post in the development section until I have 10 posts. I can't post more than once every 5 minutes. The development forums, for the G-Tablet at least, seem to devolve from amazing discussion regarding the merits and downfalls of a particular ROM, method of rooting, recovery software, etc...to this pitiful name calling and snide remarks between users ripping on the devs for being thieves or stealing work and not crediting, all without any sort of evidence that the dev is actually doing that. It makes me wonder where the heck the moderators are...
Anyways, that is my two-cents on feedback of the site.

deathcipris said:
It certainly has some goofy friggen rules. I understand locking things out for spammers and all that jazz, but man...come on...I can't post in the development section until I have 10 posts. I can't post more than once every 5 minutes. The development forums, for the G-Tablet at least, seem to devolve from amazing discussion regarding the merits and downfalls of a particular ROM, method of rooting, recovery software, etc...to this pitiful name calling and snide remarks between users ripping on the devs for being thieves or stealing work and not crediting, all without any sort of evidence that the dev is actually doing that. It makes me wonder where the heck the moderators are...
Anyways, that is my two-cents on feedback of the site.
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Thank you for your comments. If you think the degradation of threads now is bad, they were worse before the 10-post rule. Also, the timing thing is a Server Load balancing attempt. This site have 15,000+ users at any one time., that takes a lot of server load. Finally, we have a group of 60 moderators to cover a forum of 4million users. We can't be everywhere, this is where you can help. If you see an issue you can PM the forum specific mod. or click the report button.
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deathcipris said:
It certainly has some goofy friggen rules. I understand locking things out for spammers and all that jazz, but man...come on...I can't post in the development section until I have 10 posts. I can't post more than once every 5 minutes. The development forums, for the G-Tablet at least, seem to devolve from amazing discussion regarding the merits and downfalls of a particular ROM, method of rooting, recovery software, etc...to this pitiful name calling and snide remarks between users ripping on the devs for being thieves or stealing work and not crediting, all without any sort of evidence that the dev is actually doing that. It makes me wonder where the heck the moderators are...
Anyways, that is my two-cents on feedback of the site.
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Well imo the 10 post rule should be a 100 post rule.
New users have absolutely no business posting in the dev section. 9/10 they simply ask something that has already been asked before a million times over in the roms thread of they create a topic when they or anybody else shouldn't be creating topic in there in the first place, The dev section is for posting of work/reference only.
If you are a new user you can use the general forums or Q&A's if you need help you have no real need to post in dev section.
The rule was to stop n00bs posting crap and polluting the threads. Its hope that the time they have made 10 posts they will have a little more knowledge and the delay has given them the time to read the most basic guides on how to do thing or to at least found the search button.

1second, just let me get this right..
a user for just 4 months.. and he posts this as his first opinion about XDA, thats not good, thats not good at all
deathcipris said:
pitiful name calling and snide remarks between users ripping on the devs for being thieves or stealing work and not crediting, all without any sort of evidence that the dev is actually doing that. It makes me wonder where the heck the moderators are...
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yup, someone needs to actually do something about this.. (hint, no? ok...)
ill bring this to the attention of Admins today for you dude, i think that he will find this post very interesting...
i think this is @ rule 2.3 but not sure if it would fall under that or trolling, anyway a rep of the dev is destroyed by these sort of snide remarks/name calling comments so i think you have a very good bloody point.. "It makes me wonder where the heck the moderators are!".....
(oh wait, i remember where.. they are out banning the devs and their hard work for rule 9..)
@JimmyMcGee's
no acknowledgment from a you to OP that something will be done about this issue.. (no looking into it or nothing)
just saying, eg "click the report button" is not good enough because OP has clearly told you where and what the problem is..
OP has reported this issue to you, a mod
Rn

raving_nanza said:
ps, 10 post rule is for bots, not noobs.
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Errr no it isnt. How do you work that out? lol
How in anyway would it stop or halt a bot?? And since when has bots been a issue specifically in dev forums??

@TheATHEiST oh well, i thought id read it somewhere.. must have been mistaken..
Rn

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@JimmyMcGee's
no acknowledgment from a you to OP that something will be done about this issue.. (no looking into it or nothing)
just saying, eg "click the report button" is not good enough because OP has clearly told you where and what the problem is..
OP has reported this issue to you, a mod
Rn
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I thought I did. But I can be more direct if you please.
Moderators need your help. Which is why I asked for people to report problems they say. That being said, we are always evaluating forums to see if we need to allot more moderator resources to a particular forum. Again, we evaluate reported posts that come in to see if a forum is "getting out of hand." So it behooves you again to report posts. Also, you can contact the Administrators or the Moderators. And sometimes we do see with our own forum browsing that a forum needs help, but we can't be everywhere. We are constantly trying to improve XDA, and we always recommend your feedback.

FEEDBACK:
Admins know about this thread to show them OPs post.
The only reason i have picked up on this is because we are already speaking to the Admins about these issues, well.. something in relation to this issue.
i think it would be wise to place Forum Specific mods in the Android Rom Development.. for ALL devices, its the only way to stop this "trolling".
This kind of behaviour is not acceptable, its already got out of hand, and i aint even a Mod to know that - so who evers role it is to be in the Android forums, aint doing a good one
Rn

JimmyMcGee said:
Thank you for your comments. If you think the degradation of threads now is bad, they were worse before the 10-post rule. Also, the timing thing is a Server Load balancing attempt. This site have 15,000+ users at any one time., that takes a lot of server load. Finally, we have a group of 60 moderators to cover a forum of 4million users. We can't be everywhere, this is where you can help. If you see an issue you can PM the forum specific mod. or click the report button.
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Ok. 60 mods for 4M users? Failure in the recruitment dept. for sure.
And if your way if encouraging users to report posts means the crippled report post functionality - sorry, you really do NOT encourage reporting, you do exactly the opposite. (Worse yet, you actually like not getting the reports, as the now closed thread about this issue confirms.
Signal/noise ratio extremely bad ATM, sorry.
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doktornotor said:
Ok. 60 mods for 4M users? Failure in the recruitment dept. for sure.
And if your way if encouraging users to report posts means the crippled report post functionality - sorry, you really do NOT encourage reporting, you do exactly the opposite. (Worse yet, you actually like not getting the reports, as the now closed thread about this issue confirms.
Signal/noise ratio extremely bad ATM, sorry.
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It certainly does not discourage people from reporting these issues. It merely asks that you distinguish between a minor or serious issue and report it in the appropriate way.
Serious issue - Use the report post button.
Minor Issue - PM your forum specific moderator.
That is in no way, a "crippled" system. It is more efficient and allows us to take action on the serious issues much quicker than before.

conantroutman said:
It certainly does not discourage people from reporting these issues. It merely asks that you distinguish between a minor or serious issue and report it in the appropriate way.
Serious issue - Use the report post button.
Minor Issue - PM your forum specific moderator.
That is in no way, a "crippled" system. It is more efficient and allows us to take action on the serious issues much quicker than before.
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LOL. Yeah, thanks for proving my point. Not to mention - quite a couple of people have already confirmed on the original thread that it does discourage them pretty heavily - but of course sticking your head into the sand rocks here, so lets just lock the thread )
Once again:
- Go recruit more moderators (60/4,000,000 == absolute fail!)
- Once done - go and uncripple the report code, i.e. - go use the darned DB information you already have in some way. Yeah really, you already have the information who is your forum-specific moderator, so use it! Oh really, I do mean it, use it - do not force people to dig into some ultrastupid Google Docs document with moderators list (why on earth you cannot use HTML at least is a question in itself). I really do not have time for your "distinguish" games. Do make use of what you have to make the process efficient, not to make it suck like hell as you have done.
P.S. And - while looking @ my PM. We do NOT need some nonsensical Like/+1 buttons or any of that ridiculous social-networking bubble crap, really. Definitely not until you sort out the above and replace the search with something working that does not confuse people like hell and gives them relevant search results.

I agree, that having to PM a moderator several times a day is not ideal.
Personal Example: At least over in the EVO 4G development forums, you have several [Q] posted daily despite a sticky saying not to and update rules sticky saying not to do such. On top of that, you have the flaming, personal attacks, and other hostile users daily as well.
I know out of three mods, I've only ever received a response or acknowledge from one. And that one is the only one I've ever seen take action to a thread that gets reported by myself and others. I don't always expect a response, but it does add a bit of a personal connection.
It became so out of hand, that I just gave up and had my main developer account deleted and I moved my work else where.

Wow 60 mods. Hum a bit short there don't you think. A forum this size needs allot more than that, especially if the admin want it to be " the premiere android site'
sent from my bolt

I can't speak for the admins of the site, but I do know that managing a large group of moderators is not easy...the overhead is already huge...adding a significant amount more may help solve one issue, but others then arise from this.
Trust me, we are currently in discussion about refining the system...please just be patient.

Calm down.
The site grew very big, very quickly. With such explosive growth, a shortage of moderators was expected. While I agree it's frustrating at times, it's temporary. A moderation drive has just concluded, and some vacancies are sure to be filled out of this, which will at least relieve some of the pressure.
You will never see, nor would you be able to maintain, the level of professionalism we all see as ideal for XDA. There are too many users, too many recruits, and too many variances in opinion and viewpoint. It's not going to happen. Likewise, no one user will ever be 100% happy with the current setup. Just be happy you have a place to come and source the exceptional material on offer.
Also, your first post should never be in a Development forum. Ever. The '10-post Dev forum' rule is the best thing ever, because it gives you at least ten minutes before people come in and start 'thanking' the dev or filling the thread with idle chatter, threats and pathetic arguments.
If you truly believe your first post should be in a Dev forum, you definitely possess the nouse to do some charity work and help ten poor souls in the Q&A forum first. Earn your stripes.
/rant

Refine all you want, but honestly as long as the mods/ admins allow users to post ad they have been, ie derogatory statements so called devs posts mods named "rapist", and using illegal drug names for their themes mods etc , users and respectable devs will continue to leave. Oh i know report them, wait a few weeks month what have you for someone to get around it.
sent from my bolt

I would like to weigh in, as a new user, but long time lurker. I did not like the 10 post rule, as I had some things I wished to post directly to a couple of threads of ROMs that I had been using, after thoroughly researching and finding relevant background information. I was frustrated that I could not post where obviously appropriate, and had to post a question on a general question forum instead of on the obvious thread that I should have.
I see the value in a n00b not getting to post, but for someone like me that has some experience, it was frustrating. However, after giving some thought, I went around, and looked for questions that I could answer, ways I could quickly contribute some value. In hindsight I could have done a better job, and probably done it quicker.
Anyway, I might have missed it, but in looking around as a new user desiring to post, it wasn't obvious to me that was a useful way to pass my 10 posts...I was thinking I needed to wait until I had 10 good reasons to post stuff in a general forum, so I quietly waited...and then I had the epiphany.
I guess this long post is just me trying to point out, it might be useful to guide some of the slightly less n00bish but new users to a more useful path of trying to answer a few questions possibly, to get their post count up It certainly would have caused this user to have that epiphany earlier, and maybe been less frustrated. For what it's worth, after my epiphany, I have no problem with the 10 post rule.
Cheers
RoboCuz

abn75 said:
Refine all you want, but honestly as long as the mods/ admins allow users to post ad they have been, ie derogatory statements so called devs posts mods named "rapist", and using illegal drug names for their themes mods etc , users and respectable devs will continue to leave. Oh i know report them, wait a few weeks month what have you for someone to get around it.
sent from my bolt
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To be fair, I know the themes and mods you speak of and yes, I agree, not 100% user friendly. Sitting back on your laurels and letting it happen isn't the answer to seeing XDA becoming more productive, though.
At least if you report, you've done 'all you can' to help. Not much, but something

TheATHEiST said:
Well imo the 10 post rule should be a 100 post rule.
New users have absolutely no business posting in the dev section. 9/10 they simply ask something that has already been asked before a million times over in the roms thread of they create a topic when they or anybody else shouldn't be creating topic in there in the first place, The dev section is for posting of work/reference only.
If you are a new user you can use the general forums or Q&A's if you need help you have no real need to post in dev section.
The rule was to stop n00bs posting crap and polluting the threads. Its hope that the time they have made 10 posts they will have a little more knowledge and the delay has given them the time to read the most basic guides on how to do thing or to at least found the search button.
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and it is this attitude by the older members that gives the forum the reputation as not user friendly. Both noobs and experts alike could do better in that regard.
conantroutman said:
It certainly does not discourage people from reporting these issues. It merely asks that you distinguish between a minor or serious issue and report it in the appropriate way.
Serious issue - Use the report post button.
Minor Issue - PM your forum specific moderator.
That is in no way, a "crippled" system. It is more efficient and allows us to take action on the serious issues much quicker than before.
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Gotta disagree. Minor issues are not being dealt with at all on the forums I visit and quickly get out of control. Lost 2 devs in the last week due to it.
the_scotsman said:
I can't speak for the admins of the site, but I do know that managing a large group of moderators is not easy...the overhead is already huge...adding a significant amount more may help solve one issue, but others then arise from this.
Trust me, we are currently in discussion about refining the system...please just be patient.
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You and controutman are 2 of the most active mods I've seen on xda. I don't know that I've even seen our general mod even post or address any issue. I think that might be the problem. Not to mention that only 1 mod in any forum means that 90% of the time, you have no mod.
juzz86 said:
Calm down.
The site grew very big, very quickly. With such explosive growth, a shortage of moderators was expected. While I agree it's frustrating at times, it's temporary. A moderation drive has just concluded, and some vacancies are sure to be filled out of this, which will at least relieve some of the pressure.
You will never see, nor would you be able to maintain, the level of professionalism we all see as ideal for XDA. There are too many users, too many recruits, and too many variances in opinion and viewpoint. It's not going to happen. Likewise, no one user will ever be 100% happy with the current setup. Just be happy you have a place to come and source the exceptional material on offer.
Also, your first post should never be in a Development forum. Ever. The '10-post Dev forum' rule is the best thing ever, because it gives you at least ten minutes before people come in and start 'thanking' the dev or filling the thread with idle chatter, threats and pathetic arguments.
If you truly believe your first post should be in a Dev forum, you definitely possess the nouse to do some charity work and help ten poor souls in the Q&A forum first. Earn your stripes.
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Completely disagree. I don't think this forum has grown that rapidly. It has been around since winmo smartphones. The focus has just shifted.
Now general forums are full of custom ROM related questions specific to one ROM (and usually not listed in the title). Maybe there needs to be a subsection of the dev section for questions related to specific ROMs. I've always thought that the most appropriate place for ROM related questions is that ROM. It just seems like the "experts" don't want to help the "noobs" out anymore. Yes it gets tiring answering the same question over and over again, but berating every new member for not being able to search a huge forum correctly is not the answer.
RoboCuz said:
I would like to weigh in, as a new user, but long time lurker. I did not like the 10 post rule, as I had some things I wished to post directly to a couple of threads of ROMs that I had been using, after thoroughly researching and finding relevant background information. I was frustrated that I could not post where obviously appropriate, and had to post a question on a general question forum instead of on the obvious thread that I should have.
I see the value in a n00b not getting to post, but for someone like me that has some experience, it was frustrating. However, after giving some thought, I went around, and looked for questions that I could answer, ways I could quickly contribute some value. In hindsight I could have done a better job, and probably done it quicker.
Anyway, I might have missed it, but in looking around as a new user desiring to post, it wasn't obvious to me that was a useful way to pass my 10 posts...I was thinking I needed to wait until I had 10 good reasons to post stuff in a general forum, so I quietly waited...and then I had the epiphany.
I guess this long post is just me trying to point out, it might be useful to guide some of the slightly less n00bish but new users to a more useful path of trying to answer a few questions possibly, to get their post count up It certainly would have caused this user to have that epiphany earlier, and maybe been less frustrated. For what it's worth, after my epiphany, I have no problem with the 10 post rule.
Cheers
RoboCuz
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That is the problem. People that don't have your common sense will hit that 10 post limit so fast, it is not really a hinderance.
For instance:
"lol 10char" is such a common phrase these days, I think people are using ctrl "v" do paste it on every thread...
I think the biggest problem with xda is that the smartphone community has gotten more immature. Before it was full of business users and techies that could afford a 500 dollar toy. Now everyone has one (including my 7 and 10 year olds) which means a much younger user base which to me are immature. And some of them are our best devs, but get their feelings hurt much easier.

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I think the biggest problem with xda is that the smartphone community has gotten more immature. Before it was full of business users and techies that could afford a 500 dollar toy. Now everyone has one (including my 7 and 10 year olds) which means a much younger user base which to me are immature. And some of them are our best devs, but get their feelings hurt much easier.
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I agree here, and this is something we have to deal with. I started on this Forum Back with WM6, so I've seen the change. And it definitely has caused a new user management learning curve. We are learning as we are going. It's not perfect, but we are not just sitting around doing nothing.
I wonder if I can solicit hard answers.
How many mods should we have?
How do we manage that many mods to ensure similar reactions from Mods?
How do we manage mods managers?
How do we implement this without having a large bureaucracy that slows down response time even more?
These are some of the questions we are dealing with. Believe me, I don't want anyone to thing we are ignoring their concerns, in fact many of us mods have the same concerns, but there are no easy answers. We are working through them Anyone is free to PM me with their concerns.
Also, you, as members of the forum are integral to the success of this site, if you see no action from your assigned Mod, please, let us know.

I don't see what the big deal is.

There have been a few posts about different phones out there in this section. Some people are getting miffed because someone is talking about another phone and not the e4gt. Many threads are getting locked too. One post was about a guy that went to a store and played with a newly released phone. He was just sharing his findings and experience and testing results with the rest of us. Some people acted like they thought he was trying to get people to go to that phone and abandon the e4gt. I think that's nonsense. There are posts about the upcoming galaxy s3, speculations of the next iPhone, the eco 4g lte, and some people's opinions of the galaxy note. As far as I know, these posts haven't been locked yet. This is just people talking about phones. Its people trying to create conversations about phones. If those same posts were moved or posted in the phone section they are talking about, wouldn't that be like preaching to the choir? I'm not telling the mods how to do their jobs either, don't take it that way. I'm just saying some people are getting bent out of shape way to easy when somebody talks about something different in the general section. I know this is xda and not the USA so there isn't freedom of speech per se, but can we lighten up a little and not jump on someone's ass when they talk about something some others don't or god forbid a few people disagree because an all out flame war breaks out. I'm rambling again but I just wanted to speak my thoughts on this (if anyone cares to read it and give their input).

oscarthegrouch said:
There have been a few posts about different phones out there in this section. Some people are getting miffed because someone is talking about another phone and not the e4gt. Many threads are getting locked too. One post was about a guy that went to a store and played with a newly released phone. He was just sharing his findings and experience and testing results with the rest of us. Some people acted like they thought he was trying to get people to go to that phone and abandon the e4gt. I think that's nonsense. There are posts about the upcoming galaxy s3, speculations of the next iPhone, the eco 4g lte, and some people's opinions of the galaxy note. As far as I know, these posts haven't been locked yet. This is just people talking about phones. Its people trying to create conversations about phones. If those same posts were moved or posted in the phone section they are talking about, wouldn't that be like preaching to the choir? I'm not telling the mods how to do their jobs either, don't take it that way. I'm just saying some people are getting bent out of shape way to easy when somebody talks about something different in the general section. I know this is xda and not the USA so there isn't freedom of speech per se, but can we lighten up a little and not jump on someone's ass when they talk about something some others don't or god forbid a few people disagree because an all out flame war breaks out. I'm rambling again but I just wanted to speak my thoughts on this (if anyone cares to read it and give their input).
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Please be sure you recognize humor when it is used. My comments were made in jest as evidenced by the lol at the end.
Jay, the moderator, made the decision to close the thread which is his right.

oscarthegrouch said:
There have been a few posts about different phones out there in this section. Some people are getting miffed because someone is talking about another phone and not the e4gt. Many threads are getting locked too. One post was about a guy that went to a store and played with a newly released phone. He was just sharing his findings and experience and testing results with the rest of us. Some people acted like they thought he was trying to get people to go to that phone and abandon the e4gt. I think that's nonsense. There are posts about the upcoming galaxy s3, speculations of the next iPhone, the eco 4g lte, and some people's opinions of the galaxy note. As far as I know, these posts haven't been locked yet. This is just people talking about phones. Its people trying to create conversations about phones. If those same posts were moved or posted in the phone section they are talking about, wouldn't that be like preaching to the choir? I'm not telling the mods how to do their jobs either, don't take it that way. I'm just saying some people are getting bent out of shape way to easy when somebody talks about something different in the general section. I know this is xda and not the USA so there isn't freedom of speech per se, but can we lighten up a little and not jump on someone's ass when they talk about something some others don't or god forbid a few people disagree because an all out flame war breaks out. I'm rambling again but I just wanted to speak my thoughts on this (if anyone cares to read it and give their input).
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Esoteric68 said:
Please be sure you recognize humor when it is used. My comments were made in jest as evidenced by the lol at the end.
Jay, the moderator, made the decision to close the thread which is his right.
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I seen that, not sure if the other caught on. I know I thought you were serious.
This is a general section though to talk to your fellow epic owners about things in general. correct me if I'm wrong.....

u just made me think of something that's also kinda been on my mind. have you noticed that most members start out there threads with " im so sorry if this has been posted or im in the wrong section (even if three in the correct one) and i apologize and mods feel free to delete or move and sorry to whoever may have posted this 68 pages back, cause i looked and searched and once again sorry for any inconvenience this thread may have caused". And then they proceed from there. i would love to see a chart of newer and slightly seasoned members heart BPM as there typing there post. Many people are scared ****less to post anything and this trend seems to to have gottin worse in the last half year and looks to keep going at its current pace. just wanted to get my feelings out about this, and this seemed like an ok thread to do it in. goodnight, veritas
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Nothing wrong with comparison threads - hell, it's nice to get some reviews of other handhelds to consider jumping to. Some stuff is blatently generic (service complaints, off topic, app issues) that needs to be posted elsewhere where it gets the proper exposure.

I, myself, even love most of these threads. The problem is if I see it is going to be a "troll thread" or nothing but a big e-penis thread, then yes I will shut it down. I skim through the threads and if I see any hint of hostility, then I'll go ahead and lock it down. I've always said that you can argue to your hearts content, but there is a way of doing it. This is a really tough time for us judging what should be in our section and what shouldn't. Papasmurf and I are doing the best we can. If you feel like we aren't doing a good enough job, or abusing our powers, then please let a senior mod or an administrator know and we will get it worked out.
Like I said, I enjoy reading all the comparisons myself, but it's our job to keep this place tidy and troll free. And honestly, those threads bring out a lot of fanboys and allows doors to be open for a hostile environment.
PS..... If you're Oscar, can I be the Cookie Monster?
---Jay--- From the AOKP powered E4GT

Well I for one love the job you are doing jay. Keep up the good work!
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oscarthegrouch said:
There have been a few posts about different phones out there in this section. Some people are getting miffed because someone is talking about another phone and not the e4gt. Many threads are getting locked too. One post was about a guy that went to a store and played with a newly released phone. He was just sharing his findings and experience and testing results with the rest of us. Some people acted like they thought he was trying to get people to go to that phone and abandon the e4gt. I think that's nonsense. There are posts about the upcoming galaxy s3, speculations of the next iPhone, the eco 4g lte, and some people's opinions of the galaxy note. As far as I know, these posts haven't been locked yet. This is just people talking about phones. Its people trying to create conversations about phones. If those same posts were moved or posted in the phone section they are talking about, wouldn't that be like preaching to the choir? I'm not telling the mods how to do their jobs either, don't take it that way. I'm just saying some people are getting bent out of shape way to easy when somebody talks about something different in the general section. I know this is xda and not the USA so there isn't freedom of speech per se, but can we lighten up a little and not jump on someone's ass when they talk about something some others don't or god forbid a few people disagree because an all out flame war breaks out. I'm rambling again but I just wanted to speak my thoughts on this (if anyone cares to read it and give their input).
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I have no problem with you expressing yourself and think you have valid points but next time can you please do it with at least 2 paragraphs... My A.D.D. kicks in when I have to read too much at one time....
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I, myself, even love most of these threads. The problem is if I see it is going to be a "troll thread" or nothing but a big e-penis thread, then yes I will shut it down. I skim through the threads and if I see any hint of hostility, then I'll go ahead and lock it down. I've always said that you can argue to your hearts content, but there is a way of doing it. This is a really tough time for us judging what should be in our section and what shouldn't. Papasmurf and I are doing the best we can. If you feel like we aren't doing a good enough job, or abusing our powers, then please let a senior mod or an administrator know and we will get it worked out.
Like I said, I enjoy reading all the comparisons myself, but it's our job to keep this place tidy and troll free. And honestly, those threads bring out a lot of fanboys and allows doors to be open for a hostile environment.
PS..... If you're Oscar, can I be the Cookie Monster?
---Jay--- From the AOKP powered E4GT
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Hey its your call and I have seen some threads shut down but given our past up in herrrre I can fully understand why...
@ veritasaequita - So many users duplicate threads and do not honestly do the proper searching they should so I understand when someone starts off like that and to me I actually can respect it more... It shows they at least tried

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@ veritasaequita - So many users duplicate threads and do not honestly do the proper searching they should so I understand when someone starts off like that and to me I actually can respect it more... It shows they at least tried
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I can easily see why this is occurring on xda. I have been modding androids for about 2 years now, but coming from other sites, entry level modders will be easily intimidated by the plethora of information thrown at you in these forums.
Acronyms alone become a fairly steep learning curve.
The wikis, while helpful do contain quite a few outdated links. Many have links to updated information, but the original links in the wikis never get updated. The furious pace of development on this device is awesome, but keeping up with it, even in the wikis is a daunting task for anyone. Coming from the outside(Motorola Backflip modding community), I have been overwhelmed by the amount of choice for modding. Honestly, for noobs, its kinda hard to know what to search FOR, let alone knowing if the information you are looking at is the most current or accurate.
I am not trying to start a flame war here by any means. Once I get my bearings in the E4GT forums, I plan on helping update wikis and the like. But WOW! The backflip had maybe a dozen choices across the 20 websites I used to search. You have 20 choices on page 1 of 40! The modem/kernel combos alone have blown my mind, let alone all the custom mods and I like to think I've got a pretty good handle on tech stuff.
Sorry if I strayed off the original topic there a bit. Just felt it needed to be said. Playya's comment just kinda seemed the best way to get that out there.

playya said:
I have no problem with you expressing yourself and think you have valid points but next time can you please do it with at least 2 paragraphs... My A.D.D. kicks in when I have to read too much at one time.
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I have it too, but I also ramble and go into too much detail.

@jay
I'm not knocking you at all. I've got no beef with any mods in this section. I can't say the same for another section I used to hang out in. That mod was a power tripping a hole that ran things in ways that many thought were counterproductive and very confusing because of lack of logical structure. He also pissed off and disrespected a couple of devs that were highly respected. Like saying Calkulin isn't a dev because he just tweaks stock roms and doesn't compile them and build them from the ground up. BS like that. He was the kind of guy that gave you the impression he looked down on everyone. As an example of somethings he did were these. He grouped a dev section together with one model phone that was on all the major carriers. To a newb or someone was careless, they were flashing the wrong roms on their phones. I don't know if any were bricked but that made a lot up people really mad. He didn't care. He would also move a post he thought didn't belong to a place like general in the main forum, not the phone section you were in. He also accused people of distributing warez when the definition of warez according to the faq, didn't apply to the situation.
Say for example, there's an app that one carrier puts on their phones but other carriers don't for the same model. If you pulled the apk out and posted it, then that was warez. If you downloaded a rom that had that app in it, then extracted it yourself, then that wasn't warez. The app was never a paid app either. It was bloatware. Whatever. I obviously have a lot of bottled up frustration. Sorry.

I have only one comment/question on this (and the plethora of other non-E4GT phone threads) why aren't they put into the Q&A section as usually they are questions seeking answers/opinions?
The general forum is the most trafficked so I suppose that's one reason people choose it but maybe there'd be less objection to the questions about swapping phones if the threads were put in Q&A leaving the general forum to stay focused on our phone.
Just a general question, nothing to get anyone's undies in a twist over.

Like jay was saying, I see people mouthing off, getting hostile and taking stupid comments from other people too seriously WAY too quickly and easily in some threads. Damn, I really have a problem with run on sentences! Lol

Is quoting the op necessary for most of you? Lol. Too much scrolling using xda app.
This thread could become so great but like the previous poster said. Just not possible to stay a good thread for long.
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Why are Development threads run the way they are?

OK so here is a pressure relief thread... While many of you are becoming disenchanted with the way the development threads are running... Yes I am talking about the DEVELOPMENT THREADS! Please indicate the following
What do you think they are (development threads)?
How do you think they should be run?
Do you feel that Modding is not needed? If not/If so why?
What would you change if you could be top of this list for a day Please realize this list is very short..
It's simply used
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I think more, many more, mods are needed for each forum. It's difficult got one, or two or three, people to effectively "police" one forum. Last i checked, there were over/about 3 million users on xda. How many mods are there?
And people not using search.

mrhaley30705 said:
I think more, many more, mods are needed for each forum. It's difficult got one, or two or three, people to effectively "police" one forum. Last i checked, there were over/about 3 million users on xda. How many mods are there?
And people not using search.
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10 oh wait 9, Red5 is gone

Overall, there's only 9 mods for the whole site, or just in S3 forum?

mrhaley30705 said:
Overall, there's only 9 mods for the whole site, or just in S3 forum?
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And those 9 are busy busy busy. I don't understand why people keep posting EVERYTHING thsy want in development threads

What ever happened to RED?

jasvncnt1 said:
What ever happened to RED?
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Red has taken personal time. Family, health and work are keeping him very occupied

tomween1 said:
And those 9 are busy busy busy. I don't understand why people keep posting EVERYTHING thsy want in development threads
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Because they feel ENTITLED to do whatever they want to do. Because its a public forum. Its a new generation of users who don't quite understand just how important the developer title is in xda developers.
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Red has taken personal time. Family, health and work are keeping him very occupied
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thanks, Didnt know that. Hope all is well with him

brorex said:
Because they feel ENTITLED to do whatever they want to do. Because its a public forum. Its a new generation of users who don't quite understand just how important the developer title is in xda developers.
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hey man thanks for your 2 cents Can you please bring your disdain to WebOS and see how they feel about that! LOL

tomween1 said:
OK so here is a pressure relief thread... While many of you are becoming disenchanted with the way the development threads are running... Yes I am talking about the DEVELOPMENT THREADS! Please indicate the following
What do you think they are (development threads)?
How do you think they should be run?
Do you feel that Modding is not needed? If not/If so why?
What would you change if you could be top of this list for a day Please realize this list is very short..
It's simply used
for example
Please do not make this personal, act like grown-ups and be constructive​
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I think development threads should be a place to discuss development issues such as bugs, possible wish lists, explanation of why things work certain ways, etc. I think that Q&A's should be reserved for just commonly asked questions.
In a perfect world a dev thread would be a place where guys could joke and cut up and still get work done. The problem with that however is that we want people to read threads so they don't ask/re-ask "stupid or non-dev related" questions, yet sometimes there is so much joking around in a thread that you can go 3-4 pages no problem without reading a single thing relevant to the ROM. Why would someone new to the scene want to read and find a golden nugget of information if that requires wading through nonsense? You can say "use the search function!!!!?!?!?*" but let's be honest, if you don't search the right thing you won't find what you are looking for. If you don't know the correct name of your problem, you can't search for your problem, so when you ask questions guys say "Why don't you search" or "Why don't you read" and the answer is, because I'm new and can't read through all the bull in the thread.
I'm all for people having a good time but it's frustrating when you get home from work and you see there are 20 new pages in a thread and there could be a few important posts but to find them you have to read through nonsense.
Just my 2 cents. I love XDA and regardless how it's run the community is great, the Devs are top notch both programming wise and character wise in my experience, but I do get frustrated when I'm tweaking a $600 phone and I can't find necessary information because 20 people keep replying to the same old questions with "Go search you noob-loser!"

Probably a very dumb newbie question, but - I haven't been able to determine/discern the distinction between the Android Development and the Original Android Development threads. Could someone please clue me in?
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The android development thread is usually devoted to people who are hacking or tweaking the stock rom that came with the phone. The original android development thread is a place where people discuss roms being developed based off of the original android source code AOSP/AOKP (such as cm9 or cm10 or putting out custom kernels.
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planetjeff said:
Probably a very dumb newbie question, but - I haven't been able to determine/discern the distinction between the Android Development and the Original Android Development threads. Could someone please clue me in?
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In very general terms, Original Android Development is for 'Original' development. New roms, kernels, mods and such. Android Development could simply be a port of an existing rom or kernel to run on our device. It very probably has been, or is being used elsewhere and someone has made some changes to allow it to be used on our device.
Hope this helps some. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1762948
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brorex said:
Because they feel ENTITLED to do whatever they want to do. Because its a public forum. Its a new generation of users who don't quite understand just how important the developer title is in xda developers.
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Actually a really good point. 2, even 1 year ago there were a lot less people using android phones, even less hacking and modding. And now, especially with the S3 (and others), there has been a flood of new 'techies' that want the fastest, coolest phone on the planet. It probably boils down to an appreciation (or lack there of) of what it takes to make all that happen. Many are new to XDA and, just like this generation is prone to do, want to skip right to the end of the book, without reading the story first. I'm sorry, maybe I should say, "fast forward to the end of the movie, without watching the plot". Maybe we should have them run thru a XDA tutorial first before they're allowed posting priviledges or something. :silly: Just my 2 cents...

As a developer (not on xda) I fully understand the time and work the great developers put in, and as an android user I am very gracious. Not sure if its just me but my experience dealing with bug reporting and asking for help in development threads has not been easy. Mainly if the issue has already been addressed you always get flamed for not searching before you post. Its like some developers would rather argue for 3 pages to satisfy their ego than just answer a simple question.
Still apart from dealing with egos, its well worth it for the service they provide.

hey guys that have posted here, send the disgruntled user here. I know most of you that have posted so far and we tend to all be like minded. I really want to hear from the folks that aren't in the same frame of mind. I am interested in how they tick. What are their thoughts on this matter.

Tomween1,
Here is my issue. I have been an xda member for a few years now and I have never seen as much trolling and s#!t talking as I have seen here in the s3 forum. When I joined people here were helpful and every time someone helped me with a problem I intern helped the next person with a similar problem. But everything has gone down the drain over the last year or so.
now here are my concerns...
First.... The addition of a second development thread for just cm and AOKP is pointless in my opinion.
Second... If you have a ROM running on your phone... ie... Cyanogenmod CM10.... Then all discussion of bugs and flaws and features specific to that rom should be discussed in that thread. The search tool should be used before a new post and as much information should be provided to help dev duplicate and resolve problem
Third.... If the Rom is not installed.... You don't know how to install it.... Or you wonder how the battery life is or how one rom is compared to the other.... Then go to general or q&a
Finally.... Show some f#@*in respect. It doesn't matter if you are a dev or not.... You chose to develop for a phone.... You chose to post it on xda... You agreed to abide by xda rules which means show members respect.... Even if they are a noob who asked a dumb question in the wrong forums.
Moderators shouldn't be deleting as many posts as you guys are.... It's borderline pointless and it's censorship.
If you made a ROM be respectful to your fans... And if you don't want to answer questions then let other members answer people...
Good examples of threads were the devs are respectful and mods have to work less are Caulkins threads cyanogens threads... Worst example of needless hostility and over moderating is Tasks AOKP thread
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Also a more useful approach would be to have all ROMS & KERNELS in one development thread and all mods / hacks / feature ports in a separate dev thread...

I think one of the main reasons devs get frustrated and its been mentioned many times, dev forums are not the place to learn or expect handouts. The handout is givin with the ROM. Now its up to the end user to learn how to use it, search out problems and try to solve things themselves. Everyone is worried about thier new 600 dollar toy but not many noobs take the time to learn what they are actually doin to their phone. The dev forums are not the place to learn. The dev forums are a place to get the latest greatest and reply with "heres my problem, here's my log cat" after searching for an answer. It seems pretty simple to me. Although not a dev it would piss me off also to clearly state in an op that your phone won't do the dishes, then have 6 or 8 people say that you ruined their phone cause they threw it in a sink of water. As far as letting other people answer the questions, that's the reason for the q and a threads, to let the community help itself. No one should be posting in the dev forum without a logcat.
My two cents, take it or leave it doesn't matter.
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jethro650 said:
I think one of the main reasons devs get frustrated and its been mentioned many times, dev forums are not the place to learn or expect handouts. The handout is givin with the ROM. Now its up to the end user to learn how to use it, search out problems and try to solve things themselves. Everyone is worried about thier new 600 dollar toy but not many noobs take the time to learn what they are actually doin to their phone. The dev forums are not the place to learn. The dev forums are a place to get the latest greatest and reply with "heres my problem, here's my log cat" after searching for an answer. It seems pretty simple to me. Although not a dev it would piss me off also to clearly state in an op that your phone won't do the dishes, then have 6 or 8 people say that you ruined their phone cause they threw it in a sink of water. As far as letting other people answer the questions, that's the reason for the q and a threads, to let the community help itself. No one should be posting in the dev forum without a logcat.
My two cents, take it or leave it doesn't matter.
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That is the problem - people who are posting here are being told to go F*%$ off instead of being asked to provide a logcat or provide details. Also alot of Devs in s3 forums are not providing complete bug lists in the OP and if they did they are not keeping it updated so when a noob or someone new to the rom comes to check they cant find the info and ask dumb questions.

I've been in the XDA community for 6 years now, and I've seen a TON of changes here. What I now see the moderators trying to do is add a little bit of order to the madness. The dev threads were specifically designed(and ALWAYS have been) for Development and development issues only, not even about wish lists. When a developer has to pour through pages and pages of "I wish the ROM had this, or how do I install this ROM, or why does my (fill in the blank), not work". It get very frustrating to find posts from people, who are posting real issues that affect the actual development of the ROM.
It is suppose to be the place that the guy/gals who are putting their time into these ROM's that we get for free, get the feedback from us, the endusers, to actually make the ROM's better. When we clutter the thread with jibberish, we're making it harder for them to get to those real issues, and are disrespecting them and the time they invest, and in the end, we're only shooting ourselves in the foot
While I was on the AT&T Captivate, we had a similar structure of the Dev thread, and a Q&A thread for most of the available ROM's, some of the dev's didn't seem to mind answering all of those questions, but the Q&A still existed, and they all seemed to be very successful. They were very lax and the topics could got entirely off topic, they seemed to be more of the "social hangout" type of thing. Take a look: http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=746
With the incredible popularity of the SGSIII in all of the variants, there are bound to be tons's of ROM's that will crop up for JB. I believe it's that much more important to try to create some sort of structure for the 4Million + XDA mambers

Excuse me while I rant for a second.....

I've been around for a little while. I'm not a Dev, Themer, Moderator, Recognized Contributer or anything like that. At best I'm a tester for a great team called Team Venum.
I love this hobby, XDA, and most guys here. This is a great getaway for me from real life. Ya know......my crappy job, bills, yada yada yada.
Here is the thing. These threads that I read everyday. Something that I've always done and continue to do is ignore the BS. The trolls that come in looking for attention. The noobs that ask questions before reading. The guys that have been around for a while and don't read/research before posting in a thread. I ignore it. Move on.
Let's say a guy comes in your favorite thread and asks a question thats been answered a hundred times. So we then call him a di#k and say why don't you read? He then says the thread is 59 pgs and it's too much. Then he takes offense for being called a di#k and lashes back. Then a cpl other guys join in the flaming. Four pages later we need a Mod to come in and smack our hands with a ruler.
Why not just ignore it? Ignore the trolls. Maybe if we ignore the noobs they will take it upon themselves to read and research and find the answer on their own.
I hate seeing threads closed. Mods having to come in and clean threads. Devs getting pissed and moving somewhere else or just keeping their work to themselves because their sick of the drama.
It just seems so simple to me......The next time you see a post by a troll or someone who doesn't take the time to read and research on there own. Then ask a question in the thread to either provoke or just out of laziness.......... how about we just say this......................
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FAQ per user request.
1.''Can I respond to the OP and thank him repeatedly?''
I believe so.
2.''Is a full wipe required or can I just dirty flash?''
YEP!!
3. ''Is this a ROM?''
Nope
4.''Is the OP a DEV?''
Not yet.

Well said
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Not everybody knows how disgusted you guys are at every question. Nothing wrong with helping ... most people are new so forgive them. The truth is solutions for problems change very often even within the same thread.
Every rom has unique solutions for the same problems.
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i agree i would much rather give them the awnser then have them start an other thread asking about it and another noob replying with the wrong awnser , lots of updates and its true with all the pages on cirtian threads it makes it verry hard to find a link or wordign that will help in that pirticular situation , myself i would rather respond and help others out , i kno how frusterating it can be to try and do something when there is no awnser to be found even after searching over and over , sometimes just cant locate the information.

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i agree i would much rather give them the awnser then have them start an other thread asking about it and another noob replying with the wrong awnser , lots of updates and its true with all the pages on cirtian threads it makes it verry hard to find a link or wordign that will help in that pirticular situation , myself i would rather respond and help others out , i kno how frusterating it can be to try and do something when there is no awnser to be found even after searching over and over , sometimes just cant locate the information.
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Please don't get me wrong guys......... I always help when I can, I think I got a pretty decent ''Thank you'' count going. IDK, I'm usually always mobile. I'm just pointing out the frustrating parts of a thread. I would just like to see some guys move on instead of lashing out if there frustrated at seeing a question asked repeatedly.
It just adds to the flaming.

Some of this could be relieved if people actually updated their first post with relevant information.
I did it for my 90+ page Jelly Bean thread and had NONE of this.
Actually, wait, it happened once. I told him the answer and then said "check the first post, mate." Never happened again.

Most problems would be fixed if the free XDA app had a search option. Just saying. Plus the search doesn't work with the browser.
But I do completely get what the OP is saying. But then again patience and understanding also goes a long way.
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Okay I don't normally speak on these types of topics but now I will.
I completely agree and understand. Noobs will be noobs. Heck I am still one.
I started off with a Samsung Infuse, read and read and read and read and READ to learn how to root the dang thing and keep it from bricking. I never flashed something without reading. And I never flashed as soon as something got released!!! Maybe it's just commonsense, or maybe it's the fact that I am intuitive and have been ever since the age of 8 when I built my first PC from scratch. But a lot of it has to do with READING!!! Noobs don't like to READ because they want to know and they want to know NOW. That's the major problem.
I see people saying things about Task and how he is rude. Honestly, I don't think he is because it clearly states in his OP follow the instructions carefully and READ.
Just my $2. I'm not *****in'!

How do i root my GS3?
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How do i root my GS3?
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I sincerely hope this is a joke.....
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Of course...
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caspersfi said:
I've been around for a little while. I'm not a Dev, Themer, Moderator, Recognized Contributer or anything like that. At best I'm a tester for a great team called Team Venum.
I love this hobby, XDA, and most guys here. This is a great getaway for me from real life. Ya know......my crappy job, bills, yada yada yada.
Here is the thing. These threads that I read everyday. Something that I've always done and continue to do is ignore the BS. The trolls that come in looking for attention. The noobs that ask questions before reading. The guys that have been around for a while and don't read/research before posting in a thread. I ignore it. Move on.
Let's say a guy comes in your favorite thread and asks a question thats been answered a hundred times. So we then call him a di#k and say why don't you read? He then says the thread is 59 pgs and it's too much. Then he takes offense for being called a di#k and lashes back. Then a cpl other guys join in the flaming. Four pages later we need a Mod to come in and smack our hands with a ruler.
Why not just ignore it? Ignore the trolls. Maybe if we ignore the noobs they will take it upon themselves to read and research and find the answer on their own.
I hate seeing threads closed. Mods having to come in and clean threads. Devs getting pissed and moving somewhere else or just keeping their work to themselves because their sick of the drama.
It just seems so simple to me......The next time you see a post by a troll or someone who doesn't take the time to read and research on there own. Then ask a question in the thread to either provoke or just out of laziness just do this......................
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Good post caspersfi.
I agree with just about all of it...... but I personally when someone asks a question I just answer in polite words, even if its already posted. Some people just don't get and need to be pretty much spoon fed. I work at a front desk of a pet hospital and I get some pretty dumb questions from the public since its in a Petsmart. They look for you as the experts and as a resource. They same can be looked at like xda. I was raised in a family to help people no matter the situation before yourself. People honestly need to respect each other and flaming other people wouldnt happen.
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caspersfi said:
I've been around for a little while. I'm not a Dev, Themer, Moderator, Recognized Contributer or anything like that. At best I'm a tester for a great team called Team Venum.
I love this hobby, XDA, and most guys here. This is a great getaway for me from real life. Ya know......my crappy job, bills, yada yada yada.
Here is the thing. These threads that I read everyday. Something that I've always done and continue to do is ignore the BS. The trolls that come in looking for attention. The noobs that ask questions before reading. The guys that have been around for a while and don't read/research before posting in a thread. I ignore it. Move on.
Let's say a guy comes in your favorite thread and asks a question thats been answered a hundred times. So we then call him a di#k and say why don't you read? He then says the thread is 59 pgs and it's too much. Then he takes offense for being called a di#k and lashes back. Then a cpl other guys join in the flaming. Four pages later we need a Mod to come in and smack our hands with a ruler.
Why not just ignore it? Ignore the trolls. Maybe if we ignore the noobs they will take it upon themselves to read and research and find the answer on their own.
I hate seeing threads closed. Mods having to come in and clean threads. Devs getting pissed and moving somewhere else or just keeping their work to themselves because their sick of the drama.
It just seems so simple to me......The next time you see a post by a troll or someone who doesn't take the time to read and research on there own. Then ask a question in the thread to either provoke or just out of laziness just do this......................
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Don't forget the ghosts to, the ones that just downloads the rom/theme/app/mod and won't even spend a second to click thanks. These devs do this for free and spend tons of time doing it(been there done that). Its not hard really, its the little things that count.

There's also something to be said for not being a condescending, intolerant prick.
But hey, this is the internet, where you can be an absolute asshole and no one can do anything about it, so why not?
I'll gladly take the "lazy noobs" over the self-righteous self-proclaimed geniuses we seem to breed here. At least the people asking the "stupid" questions aren't intentionally doing so to make people feel like crap.
Stay classy, XDA.

Senor Forum said:
There's also something to be said for not being a condescending, intolerant prick.
But hey, this is the internet, where you can be an absolute asshole and no one can do anything about it, so why not?
I'll gladly take the "lazy noobs" over the self-righteous self-proclaimed geniuses we seem to breed here. At least the people asking the "stupid" questions aren't intentionally doing so to make people feel like crap.
Stay classy, XDA.
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Don't be so sure about that. I have recently patented a DEVICE and APPARATUS for PUNCHING PEOPLE over the INTERNET
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reNeglect said:
Don't forget the ghosts to, the ones that just downloads the rom/theme/app/mod and won't even spend a second to click thanks. These devs do this for free and spend tons of time doing it(been there done that). Its not hard really, its the little things that count.
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Well, similarly to open-source software, it's a largely thankless job done for fun, and NOT the expectation of $$$, or accolades...

Exactly this.
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ikjadoon said:
Some of this could be relieved if people actually updated their first post with relevant information.
I did it for my 90+ page Jelly Bean thread and had NONE of this.
Actually, wait, it happened once. I told him the answer and then said "check the first post, mate." Never happened again.
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^ THIS
I really think they should update the first post on a thread, so that a particular question that keep repeatedly asked doesn't need to be asked again. Personally, if I had a question, I check the thread's first page to see if they had some sort of FAQs up there for questions that are FREQUENTLY asked.
If not, I resort to searching. But sometimes, your question is a bit general and you can't find any useful information via search. Even via Google. Sometimes, even if you try to be specific with search, you can't nail down the solution of the problem. Sometimes you just find someone asking the same question and was left unanswered because "this noob didn't do a search. So no we won't answer his question"
But then again, if a question is repeatedly asked, the search should yield a good answer. But there's just those odd moments where search isn't helpful at all and you try asking.
I think it would be best if a) there's a FAQs (I've actually seen a few threads on other sections of XDA with a separate thread for asking questions), or b) just answer the damn question, and remind them to use search or something... Instead of resorting to name calling and flaming.
Sometimes, I just avoid posting on XDA because I feel some people feel they're the elite and that instead of teaching the new people how to learn they just scoff them off telling them to learn on their own. I started XDA years back, and while I mostly did my learning on my own, I had a couple of people help me pointing me to things and all that. But now days, XDA is just full of rowdy people trying to make themselves special.
EDIT: And all of those efforts in flaming could have just been put to good use. So what did you end up accomplishing in name calling and flaming? Nothing.
Which is as much as you could accomplish if you ignored the person and did nothing. So if you ain't helping just ugnore becuase it doesn't accomplish anything to call out someone, call them names, and flame them.

I'll admit to being both a noob and an "a-hole". The first topic I created on XDA was in the the developement forum (check my profile to verify)! Oh boy, did I get whipped for that. I took it like a man, didn't argue and I learned real fast. Even since then, I learned to read, search, do whatever it takes to solve my own issues.
Now the A-hole part of me showed in the Atrix forum. Some guy posted a question which has been posted to the bone a million times and got into an argument with him, telling to search, read, ect. Was it justified? Maybe. Was my argument with him going to stop other noobs from posting repeated questions? No. I don't know on that day, I decided I had enough and beefed with him. Maybe because he didn't put in enough effort look around posting a question when it's been asked a million times. I usually just ignore stuff like that but it really got to me when I saw that question.
We all like to think that our question(s) has never been asked before so we come here and post but that's usually never the case is it? That's just human nature. What's more of a satisifying feeling? Finding your own solution via searching, reading, ect. or asking a question and getting a direct, personal answer? Wait don't answer that.
I compare the forums to a classroom that doesn't has a beginning or an ending semester. Students constantly coming and going while the teacher has to start his lesson over and over and over. Students raising their hands and asking questions about chapter 1 while the students who been there for a while are annoyed because they're on chapter 8.and have to wait for the teacher to stop and answer a previously asked question.
That's the end of my rant. I got my scars from my mistakes. Learn from me. They're not worth showing off.

At the end of the day, who really cares? Someone asked a question, maybe it was answered already, who freakin cares? No one got hurt.
The person asking meant to seek information. The person replying set out to inflame and incite. Who is the real problem?
Do you ever consider the experience a new user has on these forums?
Subjected to elitist snobs and morons who can't wait to bash someone. If they are new, they don't understand. But they will realize just what kind of arrogant, socially inept people some members can be. And quickly.
Nothing says "welcome" like a good, old fashioned condescending person.
If you don't answer people like that in real life, maybe you shouldn't on the internet either.
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I have stopped posting as well from some time, as I get most my answers by just reading OP and other posts. I disagree with OP here to some extent. The main problem is not the noobs but the self proclaimed experts. It take same amount of time and energy to answer someone's question and bashing them. I do agree that if you don't know the answer just ignore them, but saying read read instead of answering them is just starting a new war. When I was in Captivate forums, I knew few people who answered same questions everyday and eventually made a general thread to help new people. Either block noobs from this forum or stop starting these kind of thread to get attention.
I don't think anyone just post a question without researching, as most of the members now know how badly they get bashed for it. So if someone is asking a sincere question, I think they should be answered or ignored. These forums are to help each other learn new things, no one came here as expert (except few).
Whatever happened to that saying: No question is a stupid question...

Posting Etiquette - Don't Anger a Developer

IF YOU WERE GIVEN A LINK TO THIS THREAD BY ANOTHER MEMBER OF XDA IT'S PROBABLY FOR A GOOD REASON!
PLEASE HEED THE WARNING, TAKE A LITTLE LESSON IN POSTING ETIQUETTE, BEFORE YOU ARE REPORTED TO A MOD, IF THAT HAS NOT ALREADY HAPPENED.
Far too often people post in threads without thinking of the developers feelings and it's becoming a big problem!
Think of it this way!
You just spent countless hours working building your new custom car.
Now your such a nice guy you let people take it for a drive and check it out for FREE!
How would feel if they come back and most LOVE IT and appreciate the work you've done but,,
some say..
"It uses too much gas"
"It's way too slow"
"It hesitates when I tow a tractor trailer"
"I Hate the colors"
If you were the developer sharing your hard work for free and reading comments like that, you would think, Dam What a ^%*&%^*& *&^*&^, why am letting people trash my hard work!?! Heck with this, I don't need this!
THINK A LITTLE BEFORE POSTING!!
In stead of saying
"This ROM sucks the life out of my battery"
Try
"How is everyone's battery life on this? I'm getting 10 hours with 2 hours screen on time. This is my 3rd battery cycle, I'm on WIFI 90% of the time. I installed BetterBattery Stats and it shows xxx. Any recommendations / ideas? Also did A Clean with a full wipe, did not flash and mods / kernels" Even better add a Logcat, you may find in the logcat that X app is checking your location every 2 seconds and shows up 1000 times in the log.
In stead of saying
"This sucks! Every time I open the camera it crashes"
Try
"Is anyone else having this problem? For some reason every time I open the camera app it crashes. I tried redownloading the ROM, double checked the MD5, did a clean install, full wipe, and let it sit for 10 min after 1st boot then rebooted. Attached is the Logcat I grabbed using CatLog from the play store"
Look at that! That way your not assuming that the developer messed up! And you may actually be being helpful by providing a Logcat so he can actually look into the problem.
Making statements without providing information is,, well rude and not helpful to anyone!
And worst of all, it can discourage or drive the Developers away!
If you were smart enough to be able to make your own ROM - Kernel you would not need the Developers help, and could fix it yourself!
Most of us do not have the time and or brains to be a developer!
So PLEASE show some respect to the Developers that are kind enough to share their work with us for FREE!
Hit their Thanks Button often, and consider buying them a Coke or Redbull aka Donate :highfive:
Same basic principal goes for when you reply to someone!
IMO if the question has already been asked and answered, quote the last answer. Or the part of the OP with the answer.
Better yet quote a few of the last times the question was answered and show that you can use the search feature.
To me, if you can show me the question has been answered 3 times already, I feel like a fool with egg on my face and will STFU.
Smart comments and rude answers, even just saying, use search, usually just leads to more useless comments and bickering for all of us to read through!
If you ain't got nothing nice to say, don't say anything! Just move on
Next time you see someone posting like a jerk, try to provide a nice helpful answer and direct them to this post for a little lesson and consider reporting the post!! See next post for more info!
Please get with the program or expect to be reported and possibly banned for a period!
This includes asking or hinting at an ETA! Don't do it!
On that note here are a few words form Woody about reporting trouble makers
Woody said:
Use your best judgment. We don't need gestapo type reporting, but you get the idea of what is needed.
It would behoove (yes I said behoove) people to maybe look at how a report is done. My buddy TonyStark had put a thread together a while ago on how to use the Report function. {Guide} Getting a Moderators help. I also have it linked in my signature, as well. It can be intimidating a bit when you hit that button. Hopefully this will help.
One thing that I might add regarding the reluctance to report you posted above. All reports are anonymous. Only people who know the names are us (Mods) and the User who reported it. Not the person who is being reported (unless you, yourself post in the thread "Reported")
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Now at this point, I think that we have strayed from what this thread is trying to accomplish. Posting with Proper Etiquette. Let's turn it back to that, so that when people who are linked back here will understand why. You can always shoot me a PM if you have a question or anything like that.
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And for crying out loud please learn to Logcat! There are apps for that that can make it easy.
Plus in my never to be humble opinion, if you can't logcat, you should not be flashing anything!
Also read this!
And I recommend reading the following from Recognized Contributor TonyStark
So you are tired of being called a noob - I want to shake the noob status
First and most important, read this New User Guides

Q: How do I contact a forum Moderator for -fill in the blank- on a problem with -fill in the blank-
I have been on XDA for years and have always found these steps to be the best. Not only for you but for the process as well. Please remember to be patient. If you do not receive a message (shown in 4) within 5 days, please re-post.
1) In the upper right hand corner OF EVERY POST you will find this.Click on the caution sign.
{
"lightbox_close": "Close",
"lightbox_next": "Next",
"lightbox_previous": "Previous",
"lightbox_error": "The requested content cannot be loaded. Please try again later.",
"lightbox_start_slideshow": "Start slideshow",
"lightbox_stop_slideshow": "Stop slideshow",
"lightbox_full_screen": "Full screen",
"lightbox_thumbnails": "Thumbnails",
"lightbox_download": "Download",
"lightbox_share": "Share",
"lightbox_zoom": "Zoom",
"lightbox_new_window": "New window",
"lightbox_toggle_sidebar": "Toggle sidebar"
}
and now in 2013 format
2) Please fill the pertinent information into this screen. PLEASE do not make it personal or use colorful language. Just be brief and to the point
3) You need to make a selection in the drop down. PLEASE do not be overzealous in choosing a topic. In 95% of cases you will only need to choose Other - Non-urgent
4) You will receive a message
In most cases this will be followed by a resolution.
Hope this helps​

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A lot of people need this
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Maybe a sticky is needed here.

Jelly419 said:
Praise!
Cool story, bro!
They call me "Jelly" cuz jam don't shake like this!
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ktetreault14 said:
A lot of people need this
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Hopefully the people that need it, actually read it!
Help out and stick this thread in your sig, or direct the people who need it here!
I'm beyond tired of seeing good developers leaving or getting pissed off by posts from people who post without thinking 1st!

Seriously, that's some kindergarten level basics...

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Seriously, that's some kindergarten level basics...
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You would think so!
But sadly we have all seen them and way too often.
I think some people just forget themselves sometimes, at least I would like to think not that many, are that rude, all the time.

I agree with what the OP is saying, however Devs also need to keep in mind there are many "not so savvy" Android users who wouldn't know how to run a logcat, even though they may have learned some of the basics of flashing. I think sometimes (and I'm not making excuses) some Devs are a little hot-headed and need to remember that there are always idiots out there who can ruin it for the rest of us.
Easy to just add the offending user to the ignore list.. instead of screwing over the people who are treating the Dev with respect.. just saying..
But yes, I still agree with the OP.

sswb27 said:
Maybe a sticky is needed here.
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Not likely BUT this does give me an idea about something a little more (un)official that we could post and stick. I'm going to write something up and pitch it to the team and see what they think and refer them back to this thread.
I like the idea, but it has to be as general and vanilla as possible and cannot be black and white, otherwise it won't work.
jangst123 said:
You would think so!
But sadly we have all seen them and way too often.
I think some people just forget themselves sometimes, at least I would like to think not that many, are that rude, all the time.
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You have no idea my man. No idea. You should see some of the stuff we deal with.
ingenious247 said:
I agree with what the OP is saying, however Devs also need to keep in mind there are many "not so savvy" Android users who wouldn't know how to run a logcat, even though they may have learned some of the basics of flashing. I think sometimes (and I'm not making excuses) some Devs are a little hot-headed and need to remember that there are always idiots out there who can ruin it for the rest of us.
Easy to just add the offending user to the ignore list.. instead of screwing over the people who are treating the Dev with respect.. just saying..
But yes, I still agree with the OP.
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I like everything about this post. Some people need to be handheld just a bit longer so they can take their first steps. It is Pete and Re-Pete that are the problems.
In the old days, it was Logcat or GTFO. Then the stone got ground down a bit, then a bit more and now we are here. We are trying to make things more Developer oriented and to make it so that Devs are more cherished than they are now, but it all stems from how to get Users to realize this. Hopefully some guidelines and better n-etiquette will help to usher us back to those days.
I've known jangst123 for a long time, so I know that he is very passionate about this and wants the threads to be filled with awesome ROMs but also the community at-large to be a great place to get help, cool mods or bleeding edge development. I think that we all really want that, right? So let's make it happen.

Some of the blame also falls back on the users who do know what they are doing, because instead of helping educate the less-than-friendly user they actually post responses than incite even more anger leading to that user feeling like they are being "jumped" per se.
Really this falls back on the xda community as a whole, I know I've posted things before that could have been worded in a way that would have better served the user and the community, instead of my own cynicism or ego.. none of us are perfect, that includes the Devs.

The best way I see it, now that I've been around the block. You can't take the internet serious anymore. It's difficult to always convey someones personality over text, without emoticons and "lol's" and ":good:" or ":highfive:"... I'm a prime example of that. I try to say lol, or put a winky face or what have you, but I try and get to the point and tell them its a few pages back... orrr I give them 10 links and tell it 'em took me 5 minutes to do that. I'm no search wizard or anything like that, I just use keywords and then read through things. The users that want things handed to them on a gold platter are a large issue at hand. I would go as far to say as 75% of the questions asked in a dev thread, are in the OP in one way shape or form. I have a q&a thread for Cm10 http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1813456 with 10.1 info (which is almost of use to all 4.2 roms out there)... I have a resource guide http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2088179 Which I'm still ironing things out (should do that today actually, haha) and I have a q&a for Illusion 4.2 rom http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2106546 which for the time being pertained to AOKP and Vanilla Rootbox for the most part. People have looked and looked over them for the most part and still ask the most redundant questions in the dev threads, and open new threads with stuff that I've covered already. If it's something I haven't covered, I answer them respectfully almost every time, and/or point them to a thread that will help them. This needs to be done more often to stop the unnecessary posts, which turn into bashing threads, which turn into more work for the mods. I agree with the OP, some devs will take things to heart and walk away and we are down more person or team that will help us with our phone "needs" ... Devs and themers and such just have to look at it this way... "You can't please them all"-some wise man... And I think I ranted long enough. LUNCH TIME!!!

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We are doing way better than what was done on the t989 Hercules forums. We should keep it that way. At least til there is a real s4
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mt3g said:
The best way I see it, now that I've been around the block. You can't take the internet serious anymore.
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This pretty much sums up all these, in my opinion, useless threads/posts. In one concise sentence.
Guys, we don't need a thread for common sense. People who lack common sense won't have sense enough to read the thread. In other words, you are preaching to the choir. This solves nothing.
Enforce the current forum rules. Ban, or at the very least, suspend idiots. Need more moderators, we don't have anywhere near the amount we need. Two to three moderators for each device forum. None of this would have happened. Rules aren't enforced, plain and simple. Rules that are not enforced will be ignored. Do you drive the speed limit? No. Why? Because the rule isn't enforced.

Re: Posting Ediquette - Don't Anger a Developer
Woody said:
Not likely BUT this does give me an idea about something a little more (un)official that we could post and stick. I'm going to write something up and pitch it to the team and see what they think and refer them back to this thread.
I like the idea, but it has to be as general and vanilla as possible and cannot be black and white, otherwise it won't work.
You have no idea my man. No idea. You should see some of the stuff we deal with.
I like everything about this post. Some people need to be handheld just a bit longer so they can take their first steps. It is Pete and Re-Pete that are the problems.
In the old days, it was Logcat or GTFO. Then the stone got ground down a bit, then a bit more and now we are here. We are trying to make things more Developer oriented and to make it so that Devs are more cherished than they are now, but it all stems from how to get Users to realize this. Hopefully some guidelines and better n-etiquette will help to usher us back to those days.
I've known jangst123 for a long time, so I know that he is very passionate about this and wants the threads to be filled with awesome ROMs but also the community at-large to be a great place to get help, cool mods or bleeding edge development. I think that we all really want that, right? So let's make it happen.
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Logcat or GTFO,, o the good old days!
I would love to see a thumbs up and thumbs down on each and every post.
And if your thumbs down is lower or than thumbs up, you can no longer post in development threads.
This would allow the community to police the threads and force people to think twice before posting.
But that is probably too complicated of a system change.
SO
Would it be possible to keep a ranking of sorts?
Something that checks posts to thanks count.
And you must have at least 1 thank for every 3 posts, to post in in anything other than general. Maybe even include the number of thanks given out in the equation.
Something needs to change.
Repeated questions are completely different than people being rude jerks.
Most of the repeated questions are a bit different than being rude. Repeated questions are probably best answered by quoting the last time it was answered. That way everyone can see it's been answered. And the poster should feel the egg on their face. Or by quoting part of the OP when needed.
I for one am willing to help in any way I can. Just let me know how I can help.
I don't have all that much spare time, I have a business to run, so I try to contribute and encourage developers by donating phones and cash to them. On the occasion I have some spare time and I come here to get away and get my crack flash on.
To see Developers get discouraged by rude posts, drives me crazy!
For now I'm pming offenders and kindly suggesting they read this thread.
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Meh.... The rude and ignorant on tech forums of today are just the newest generation of AOL "me too"ers from yester-year. You couldn't take them seriously either.
I for one am grateful for those that pave the way in new arenas for me.
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ingenious247 said:
Some of the blame also falls back on the users who do know what they are doing, because instead of helping educate the less-than-friendly user they actually post responses than incite even more anger leading to that user feeling like they are being "jumped" per se.
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Agreed. I absolutely despise people who post, "LEARN 2 USE SEARCH/GOOGLE" instead of simply providing whatever link or help the person is looking for, especially when it's a simple thing like how to get root.

ingenious247 said:
Some of the blame also falls back on the users who do know what they are doing, because instead of helping educate the less-than-friendly user they actually post responses than incite even more anger leading to that user feeling like they are being "jumped" per se.
Really this falls back on the xda community as a whole, I know I've posted things before that could have been worded in a way that would have better served the user and the community, instead of my own cynicism or ego.. none of us are perfect, that includes the Devs.
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Your absolutely correct!
Responding in that way often starts a flame war.
If ya ain't got nothing nice or helpful to say, don't say it.
Quote the last correct answer to the question, or answer the question politely and move on.
Don't stir the pot.
Anything else often leads to 10 or more useless posts to read through.
I for one often don't have the time to read though all the extra crap that gets posted every time someone gets their feelings hurt.
I did not create this tread to address all the issues on XDA.
I created it to have a thread to point to when I come across the poster that needs a lesson in Posting Etiquette.
And hoping in doing so it would not anger the poster but help educate them a little.
So I would appreciate it if we can keep the discussion to, Posting Etiquette and how to nicely respond to those that need a lesson.
I will edit the OP later to include response etiquette.
lol,, just realized in my haste I spelled Etiquette - Ediquette :silly:

unfortunately, stuff like this happens in almost every other device forum across XDA. it's stuff like this that makes us stop wanting to dev, stuff like this can even tear a development Team apart, as it almost did with Team Inferno. those who came from the MyTouch 4G know what i'm talking about. Team Inferno faced many haters, people who just wanted to do everything in their will to destroy a newborn team. it takes a bunch of endurance and encouragement, and i thank all those who supported Team Inferno, those who could see potential in a Team of noobs like us. we all start somewhere, nobody wakes up one day and decides "i'm going to be a dev" and by nightfall pushes out the best ROM/mod/kernel ever seen.
end users need to realize that we developers are not here to serve you. you don't pay us for the stuff we push out. we do it in our own free time, because we want to, we have an interest and a hobby.
to developers: don't get butthurt because of one or a couple of know-it-alls, there are people out there that will try to push you down. if you get pushed down by them, you're the only one hurt, they may even laugh at you. don't fall into their trap! because at the end of the day, you're not developing for others, you're developing because you want to, it's your hobby, and you want to share your work with others.
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read the whole thing you lazy butt.

"Stop biting the hand that feeds you." I agree with the OP 100000%. Devs are intelligent people. They don't need to stoop to bull****.
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saranhai said:
unfortunately, stuff like this happens in almost every other device forum across XDA. it's stuff like this that makes us stop wanting to dev, stuff like this can even tear a development Team apart, as it almost did with Team Inferno. those who came from the MyTouch 4G know what i'm talking about. Team Inferno faced many haters, people who just wanted to do everything in their will to destroy a newborn team. it takes a bunch of endurance and encouragement, and i thank all those who supported Team Inferno, those who could see potential in a Team of noobs like us. we all start somewhere, nobody wakes up one day and decides "i'm going to be a dev" and by nightfall pushes out the best ROM/mod/kernel ever seen.
end users need to realize that we developers are not here to serve you. you don't pay us for the stuff we push out. we do it in our own free time, because we want to, we have an interest and a hobby.
to developers: don't get butthurt because of one or a couple of know-it-alls, there are people out there that will try to push you down. if you get pushed down by them, you're the only one hurt, they may even laugh at you. don't fall into their trap! because at the end of the day, you're not developing for others, you're developing because you want to, it's your hobby, and you want to share your work with others.
TL;DR?
read the whole thing you lazy butt.
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Also, thank you for your work on XDA.
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jangst123 said:
Logcat or GTFO,, o the good old days!
I would love to see a thumbs up and thumbs down on each and every post.
And if your thumbs down is lower or than thumbs up, you can no longer post in development threads.
This would allow the community to police the threads and force people to think twice before posting.
But that is probably too complicated of a system change.
SO
Would it be possible to keep a ranking of sorts?
Something that checks posts to thanks count.
And you must have at least 1 thank for every 3 posts, to post in in anything other than general. Maybe even include the number of thanks given out in the equation.
Something needs to change.
Repeated questions are completely different than people being rude jerks.
Most of the repeated questions are a bit different than being rude. Repeated questions are probably best answered by quoting the last time it was answered. That way everyone can see it's been answered. And the poster should feel the egg on their face. Or by quoting part of the OP when needed.
I for one am willing to help in any way I can. Just let me know how I can help.
I don't have all that much spare time, I have a business to run, so I try to contribute and encourage developers by donating phones and cash to them. On the occasion I have some spare time and I come here to get away and get my crack flash on.
To see Developers get discouraged by rude posts, drives me crazy!
For now I'm pming offenders and kindly suggesting they read this thread.
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+1 Logcat or GTFO days! Those were the days!
Adding a link to my sig! Hopefully someone will read it, but I doubt the jerks that cause the problems will take the time to read it. They already know it all.
Now that I think about it, I don't post that often to begin with, so i doubt anyone will see mys sig, but i will give it a try.
I like the,, BAM Hammer idea, lol
It would be great if we could hit the thumbs down on their post and somehow vote them off the island!