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Notice to people using Titanium Backup to restore

Please stop using Titanium Backup to restore system files when you upgrade you ROM! Some system apps and settings are incompatible when newer ROMS. When I do backups I backup my user apps to one folder and system apps in another. This way I can just restore my user apps and their data in a batch restore but with the system files I only restore data to apps with the same version.
I make this thread because n00bs keep restoring everything including their incompatible system files and start to whine about the ROM being slow, apps FCing, and other assorted mishaps. I've already helped 2 n00b friends who had phones stuck in bootloop after doing full restore.

Which program would you suggest?
This is an interesting argument

I use Titanium Backup, I just don't restore system app data to incompatible apps.

I backup using apps + system data option.
In this case, system data refers to data that are related ONLY to apps right?
When I upgrade to gingerbread, you think it will cause problem??
Or, Should I only back up apps?
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[email protected] said:
I backup using apps + system data option.
In this case, system data refers to data that are related ONLY to apps right?
When I upgrade to gingerbread, you think it will cause problem??
Or, Should I only back up apps?
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When you backup user apps (the ones in white), you will backup the app + its settings and data.
When you backup system data (the ones in green), you are backing up only system settings, like SMS/MMS, Accounts, Calendar, Timezone, Phone logs, Wifi APN, etc.
When you backup system apps (the ones in red), you are backing up ONLY the settings and data for that app, not the app itself. THIS is what Intratech it asking you to NOT backup.
Why? Because the next ROM you install, will most likely have a different system app version than the one you previously had.
Usually:
Different apps == Different settings === problems

Heritz said:
When you backup user apps (the ones in white), you will backup the app + its settings and data.
When you backup system data (the ones in green), you are backing up only system settings, like SMS/MMS, Accounts, Calendar, Timezone, Phone logs, Wifi APN, etc.
When you backup system apps (the ones in red), you are backing up ONLY the settings and data for that app, not the app itself. THIS is what Intratech it asking you to NOT backup.
Why? Because the next ROM you install, will most likely have a different system app version than the one you previously had.
Usually:
Different apps == Different settings === problems
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So restoring the green ones should work fine? Especially the Application Widgets is important for me as it is much work to restore.
How to restore the red ones? Market + Samsung Apps?
If I do minor updates 2.2->2.2.1 is there the same recommendation to only restore user apps/data?
Thanks.

Why would you want to backup market and samsung apps?

I restore things like my APNs, contacts and SMS from system data using Titanium backup. Across a range of ROMs I've never had any issues, although I'm not restoring every bit of system data- just a select few.

Mikulec said:
Why would you want to backup market and samsung apps?
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It is faster to restore app's data than waiting for market to come up with updates and configure all manually.
Does system backup do a backup of new versions of system apps?

rickg99 said:
It is faster to restore app's data than waiting for market to come up with updates and configure all manually.
Does system backup do a backup of new versions of system apps?
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the market automatically downloads apps when you open it. personally, i do not back up my apps but instead use my internet connection to access the market and sownload all the apps back at one go. Q: Is the same service(auto download downloaded apps) on samsung apps?

Heritz said:
When you backup user apps (the ones in white), you will backup the app + its settings and data.
When you backup system data (the ones in green), you are backing up only system settings, like SMS/MMS, Accounts, Calendar, Timezone, Phone logs, Wifi APN, etc.
When you backup system apps (the ones in red), you are backing up ONLY the settings and data for that app, not the app itself. THIS is what Intratech it asking you to NOT backup.
Why? Because the next ROM you install, will most likely have a different system app version than the one you previously had.
Usually:
Different apps == Different settings === problems
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I do backup system data however I'm careful when restoring stuff. I check app version number and if they are different then I don't restore any app data for that.
The market doesn't automatically restore your user apps, that's why I restore those.

The market does auto download those apps that you have downloaded before but are not on your phone.

hello,
I know it's off topic, but can i just ask you a simple question?
when restoring with TB, does screen has to be on all the time?
because for me, when screen goes off, whole process stops and when I turn it back on, it resumes..
Is there an option available in TB where you can set to have screen off while restoring?
cheers

[email protected] said:
hello,
I know it's off topic, but can i just ask you a simple question?
when restoring with TB, does screen has to be on all the time?
because for me, when screen goes off, whole process stops and when I turn it back on, it resumes..
Is there an option available in TB where you can set to have screen off while restoring?
cheers
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Sure - in Settings or Options you can specify exactly this issue "WakeLocks Mode".
Kind regards,
ww

lamacow123 said:
The market does auto download those apps that you have downloaded before but are not on your phone.
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I never observed that

webwude said:
Sure - in Settings or Options you can specify exactly this issue "WakeLocks Mode".
Kind regards,
ww
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There's a bug with SGS and WakeLocks commands that TB never sorted and never supported or even gave feedback.
ScreenOn: will hang your screen On unless you reset phone
Keep CPU: screen bug is solved, but scheduled backups won't start in standby. They'll start later when you turn screen on. When screen is off, the will keep running (preferred setting for me)
Disbled: you'll have Keep CPU bug added with the pause of jobs when screen auto Off, as you expierience
To be on topic again, restoring green data is safe. Especially SMS, MMS, calendar and contacts data

For myself i duplicate apps folder on phone in case backup fails .
Root Explorer and copy APP file to sd card and or PC .
Backup fails then it just requires each app installing from the sd card .
jje

I don't think something so painfully obvious needed a thread.

lamacow123 said:
The market does auto download those apps that you have downloaded before but are not on your phone.
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Not on SGS roms
when you install CM7, it does

Furry Atom said:
I don't think something so painfully obvious needed a thread.
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I disagree because many guys get confused as to what system apps mean. I had this problem after I restored system apps a long time ago. Since then I don't backup my system apps at all but chose individual system apps like Maps, Gmail etc. to back up.

about titanium backup

so i want to change again my rom again but now i have a lot of things on my phone that important to me
so i would like to use titanium backup but im not quit sure how to use properly
so can somebody explain to me how do i backup everything
and when i mean everything i mean like saves from games and sms and music and pictures and more
so please i need your help
thanks

Using Titanium Backup:
1. Menu -> Batch -> Select RUN Backup all user apps + System data
2. The backup will be in the folder on ur SD card. Copy and save it in case u earse the entire SD card
Using Recovery:
To backup enitre ROM which ever you are currently using. Reboot into recovery..
Currently I use Clockword Mod, so I know how to do it only by this one
1. Reboot into recovery mode.
2.Under Backup & Restore do the nandroid Backup which backsup the currently using ROM with data.
3. This will also be under the folder ClockwordMod in ur SD card backit up in case u do SD card formatting
For SMS, Call Logs & Pictures I use McAfee Wavesecure which I bought long back and backsup all the data.. not sure about Titanium backup for SMS & stuff...
I think this might help you.

Excuse a newbie question, but doesn't the nandroid recovery just take a snapshot of the current setup with ROM and all?
How do you use it with a new ROM?
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You use the nandroid if the new rom doesnt work or you of some other reason want to go back to the old rom.

aswinarun said:
Using Titanium Backup:
1. Menu -> Batch -> Select RUN Backup all user apps + System data
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Don't backup System Data if you are changing from one ROM to another, you will invariably get problems backing up system files that won't work smoothly with the new ROM. Just backup user apps.

Kalavere said:
Don't backup System Data if you are changing from one ROM to another, you will invariably get problems backing up system files that won't work smoothly with the new ROM. Just backup user apps.
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Hi,if i backup system data but do not restore them..will it still conflict?

JxXxn said:
Hi,if i backup system data but do not restore them..will it still conflict?
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No, that's fine. You can back both up and just restore apps and app data with no problem. I've never backed up system data I really don't see the point, I guess you could backup and restore to the same ROM, but i'd rather just start afresh each time.

Kalavere said:
Just backup user apps.
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I couldn't agree more with this.
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Being able to backup system data selectively isn't a bad idea, i.e. Wi-Fi access points and literally one or two other things, if someone is after a system backup this is where nandroid comes into play, in my opinion.

I do agree backup for user apps. Also I would prefer Nandroid to restore the old ROM fully. Since I have been using some CM7 RC builds & also nightly builds.. i started to restore system data as well, which literally helps me to have all settings as well.
Also he can run Restore apps with data alone...
But it is upto OP which method he prefers..

Kalavere said:
Being able to backup system data selectively isn't a bad idea, i.e. Wi-Fi access points and literally one or two other things, if someone is after a system backup this is where nandroid comes into play, in my opinion.
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This is for sure, things like bookmarks, user dictionary, wifi are nice to be able to just restore.
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mistaliu said:
This is for sure, things like bookmarks, user dictionary, wifi are nice to be able to just restore.
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I may have gotten confused....
is there a method to selectively backup / restore bookmarks and wifi (wep/wpa passphrases) ?

fred_be9300 said:
I may have gotten confused....
is there a method to selectively backup / restore bookmarks and wifi (wep/wpa passphrases) ?
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Open the app and select Backup/Restore and long press on the system data you want to backup. You should exercise caution and not backup system data that will potentially disrupt another ROM. Wi-Fi Access Points, User Dictionary etc can all be found in there. Hope this helps.

Kalavere said:
Open the app and select Backup/Restore and long press on the system data you want to backup. You should exercise caution and not backup system data that will potentially disrupt another ROM. Wi-Fi Access Points, User Dictionary etc can all be found in there. Hope this helps.
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Or the way I did it was just go under the backup/restore tab and scroll till you find what you want to backup ie. Bookmarks, wifi, etc then you are just backing up what you want and need
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I have a question regarding Titanium that I hope you can help with...
I've just upgraded to the Gingerbread RUU, so I lost root and can't get it back, or frankly want to have it back, but I've backed up a number of apps with Titanium Backup, and is there any way to reinstall them?
They're all saved to my SD card, and Titanium Backup obviously refuses to work.
I can't and don't want to get root back, so is there any way to manually use these backups, or use them with another program?

vszulc said:
I have a question regarding Titanium that I hope you can help with...
I've just upgraded to the Gingerbread RUU, so I lost root and can't get it back, or frankly want to have it back, but I've backed up a number of apps with Titanium Backup, and is there any way to reinstall them?
They're all saved to my SD card, and Titanium Backup obviously refuses to work.
I can't and don't want to get root back, so is there any way to manually use these backups, or use them with another program?
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You can recover the apps by searching the TitanuimBackup folder and extracting the APKs from the Zip files. It's obviously not possible to recover the data as it's zipped up in a tarball and it requires Superuser rights to access if using Titanium, however I don't know that it's not possible to manually replace the data. If you unzip the tarball and extract the folder to your desktop. If it's the BBC News app for example the folder should look like this after you extract it.
'Data/Data/bbc.mobile.news.uk/cache
-----------------------------------/databases
-----------------------------------/files
-----------------------------------/shared_prefs'
I don't know if you can access Data/Data from the phones internal memory without root, I am using Root Explorer. Try with Astro, I am guessing you can read/write to Data/Data without having S-Off as I am not getting prompted to switch to R/W to delete files (I have Root and S-Off).
If you can read and write to Data/Data without root and S-Off you can manually copy and paste the data over after installing the app, it will take ages to do if you've got any number of apps and I am not ever sure it will work, but I suppose it's worth a go.
I hope this makes sense, it makes semi sense to me as I read it back!

Titanium backup pro HOW TO BACKUP WTF??!!?!

So all the tutorials I see say to use "menu>batch" to backup user apps/data, but there is NO BATCH!! I ran backup and it just put a bunch of gz/tar files in a directory!!! So now after I've already updated ROM to JB, TB is not allowing me to restore these files.....or am I missing how to do this?? Why is this app so damn hard to find stuff? Is there any way to restore my stuff or I will have to revert to nandroid backup and use TB again??
BTW, i'm on version 5.4.2.2 pro version
Thanks,

Click the icon in the upper-right with the check mark to get to batch operations.
And those tar.gz files are your backups.

The batch button is on the upper right corner.
And yes TB does compress the back ups.
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ballgum said:
So all the tutorials I see say to use "menu>batch" to backup user apps/data, but there is NO BATCH!! I ran backup and it just put a bunch of gz/tar files in a directory!!! So now after I've already updated ROM to JB, TB is not allowing me to restore these files.....or am I missing how to do this?? Why is this app so damn hard to find stuff? Is there any way to restore my stuff or I will have to revert to nandroid backup and use TB again??
BTW, i'm on version 5.4.2.2 pro version
Thanks,
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Your question is a mess. Your thread title is "how to backup" and your jumbled post is about "how to restore".
In any case, whatever tutorials you're reading are outdated, as TiBu hasn't used a "batch" ever since the ICS version switched to using the Action Bar.
So, to simplify TiBu for you:
1) touch the the little checkmark icon the upperright corner of TiBu
2) Backup your apps and data; not system data
3) Restore later
Easy.
All the rest of the TiBu stuff is for people who aren't afraid to figure it out and/or read their FAQ (no offense)

So I've checked everything in the app.... including the mentioned "check mark" button before posting here. It is not showing any of my backup apps. I've gone into prefs and verified the backup/restore directory. When I go to that directory i see everything but when I go to batch upper right button none of the options show my apps. It only shows the NEW apps on the NEW rom and no options to restore my previous 33 user apps.
Am I missing something here or is it just not working
Sorry about the hasty confusing post...

Open TiBu
Menu/preferences/back up folder location> whole device
it will search your entire phone fit a back up folder

mrhaley30705 said:
Open TiBu
Menu/preferences/back up folder location> whole device
it will search your entire phone fit a back up folder
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I did that and I already had the location correct /storage/sdcard0/TitaniumBackup ...... 48 backups.
When I do what you say and do "whole device" it reloads the TB app data. Then I go into batch options and it still doesn't show my backups...
Any ideas? I will try to get screenshots, i'm not sure how on JB yet

Clear data to set everything to default then set the backup directory again and restart the app (or the phone) This fixed it for me.
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Question, after running TiBu, and if I need to restore my phone to factory (w/ root). To restore my apps etc, I need to reinstall TiBu and run the restore?

Obsessive said:
Question, after running TiBu, and if I need to restore my phone to factory (w/ root). To restore my apps etc, I need to reinstall TiBu and run the restore?
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Yes.

If you bought Pro, install free version first, then pro.

How to copy the system 1:1 to a new device by using TWRP

I got a new device by RMA and now I want to copy my nandroid backup made with TWRP to the new one.
Which partitions do I have to copy?

Most of the partitions are system based, so don't touch them. All you would want to copy is data, but I am not even sure that would work, without a boot loop? I keep all my data backed up with Titanium. And Google drive would restore most of what you had on your phone as long as you were allowing setting>system>backup.

Sui77 said:
I got a new device by RMA and now I want to copy my nandroid backup made with TWRP to the new one.
Which partitions do I have to copy?
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Data, as it is the one where your settings and app updates are stored. Just be sure the new device is running the same version of Android as the old.
Droid_Nut said:
Most of the partitions are system based, so don't touch them. All you would want to copy is data, but I am not even sure that would work, without a boot loop? I keep all my data backed up with Titanium. And Google drive would restore most of what you had on your phone as long as you were allowing setting>system>backup.
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Restoring a nandroid backup of the data partition to another, identical, device will work without causing a bootloop given the precautions I describe above. Do note however that Google's backup only restores items acquired through the Play Store. Alternative app stores such as Amazon will not be restored, apps acquired through Amazon will not be restored, and any apps sideloaded will not be restored. Since Google's restore function doesn't restore everything, any backup solution - like a nandroid backup - is going to be a better alternative.

Strephon Alkhalikoi said:
Data, as it is the one where your settings and app updates are stored. Just be sure the new device is running the same version of Android as the old.
Restoring a nandroid backup of the data partition to another, identical, device will work without causing a bootloop given the precautions I describe above. Do note however that Google's backup only restores items acquired through the Play Store. Alternative app stores such as Amazon will not be restored, apps acquired through Amazon will not be restored, and any apps sideloaded will not be restored. Since Google's restore function doesn't restore everything, any backup solution - like a nandroid backup - is going to be a better alternative.
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Thanks for the clarification that you can restore data as long as you are on the same version, does it have to be at the same security update level as well?
That is why I use Titanium for apps I got off of Fdroid and other sources. I will make sure I try the Nandroid data backup next time.

Security level shouldn't make a difference, but that is not something I have attempted. The pair of identical tablets I have here are running the same security update.

Thanks, data did the trick.
I had to delete 2 files due to a non working finger printer by using TWRP files explorer, but now the phone is fine.
Last thing pending are customer ringtones, but this is a nasty one.
Any idea how to do it?

Sui77 said:
Thanks, data did the trick.
I had to delete 2 files due to a non working finger printer by using TWRP files explorer, but now the phone is fine.
Last thing pending are customer ringtones, but this is a nasty one.
Any idea how to do it?
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I am having the same problem with the fingerprint reader after restoring data from one phone to another, what files did you delete in TWRP file manager?

Solution for fingerprinter:
1. Boot into TWRP
2. Go to advanced>filemanager to acces the files in your phone.
3. Enter the folder /data/system/user/0
4. Delete following files: ./fpdata/user.db, settings_fingerprint.xml
5. Reboot to system and set up new fingerprints with the fingerprint wizard
6. Everything should work normal
Was not easy to find, but it's easy to do

Sui77 said:
Solution for fingerprinter:
1. Boot into TWRP
2. Go to advanced>filemanager to acces the files in your phone.
3. Enter the folder /data/system/user/0
4. Delete following files: ./fpdata/user.db, settings_fingerprint.xml
5. Reboot to system and set up new fingerprints with the fingerprint wizard
6. Everything should work normal
Was not easy to find, but it's easy to do
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I didn't think it would be easy to find, but thanks for the tips. :good:

I am just putting this phone online with Q Beta 3 today, I have no notifications for text, and all options are greyed out?

Droid_Nut said:
I am just putting this phone online with Q Beta 3 today, I have no notifications for text, and all options are greyed out?
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Turns out this is a bug in Android Q. With Pie there were some many notifications that I set my sound to none, so I just set my sound to Gibbon Call, and now I get text notifications. :good:

Question Best Backup Solution?

What is the best backup solution that can backup appdata and apps and system settings?

Google backup? I've been wondering this myself, but haven't found anything but Google's backup/restore. :|

For apps and their data, i suggest SwiftBackup. You connect it with your google account for cloud backup (paid) or create a local folder that you can tranfer to usb drive (free) and use it to restore back to your phone or any other device.
It also backs up call logs and messages and wifi networks.

jprattnu said:
Google backup? I've been wondering this myself, but haven't found anything but Google's backup/restore. :|
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Google backup doesn't backup all apps just Google apps just tried it.

IamTheBRAVE said:
For apps and their data, i suggest SwiftBackup. You connect it with your google account for cloud backup (paid) or create a local folder that you can tranfer to usb drive (free) and use it to restore back to your phone or any other device.
It also backs up call logs and messages and wifi networks.
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Thanks will try it out

I bricked/un-bricked my phone last night and successfully restored all apps and data with Migrate (NG version downloaded from their telegram channel). Not sure about system settings... I prefer a clean start with those so I didn't try.

IamTheBRAVE said:
For apps and their data, i suggest SwiftBackup. You connect it with your google account for cloud backup (paid) or create a local folder that you can tranfer to usb drive (free) and use it to restore back to your phone or any other device.
It also backs up call logs and messages and wifi networks.
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+1

Migrate is also a viable solution. I had a problem with their sdcard enabler on another phone so used swiftbackup instead. Very satisfied.

vangry2020 said:
What is the best backup solution that can backup appdata and apps and system settings?
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The best I've seen(must be root) Swift Backup(Google play store). You can back up messages, call logs, and most importantly apps, app data, ext data, system apps, ext data. Awesome app and easy to sync to dropbox, drive, etc.

IamTheBRAVE said:
For apps and their data, i suggest SwiftBackup. You connect it with your google account for cloud backup (paid) or create a local folder that you can tranfer to usb drive (free) and use it to restore back to your phone or any other device.
It also backs up call logs and messages and wifi networks.
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Thanks for this - Question - Can you still get all app & ext data without being rooted? (Yes I'm a root idiot, sorry)!

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Migrate is also a viable solution. I had a problem with their sdcard enabler on another phone so used swiftbackup instead. Very satisfied.
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I had issues with Migrate on an older phone as well (OP 7Pro) , but so far on this phone it has been solid.
Does anyone know of any apps that can do incremental backups of only modified data? I've used Swift Backup but it doesn't seem to be an option. Swift has an option to back up only "updated apps" but I could care less whether the apk was updated... I'd like something that can back up only apps with modified data on a nightly basis, the way I used to do with Titanium Backup on earlier versions of Android.

jprattnu said:
Thanks for this - Question - Can you still get all app & ext data without being rooted? (Yes I'm a root idiot, sorry)!
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No don't think so.

terlynn4 said:
I had issues with Migrate on an older phone as well (OP 7Pro) , but so far on this phone it has been solid.
Does anyone know of any apps that can do incremental backups of only modified data? I've used Swift Backup but it doesn't seem to be an option. Swift has an option to back up only "updated apps" but I could care less whether the apk was updated... I'd like something that can back up only apps with modified data on a nightly basis, the way I used to do with Titanium Backup on earlier versions of Android.
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Did not see any option for that in the app. You can do it manually by renaming theold backup folder and redoing existing backup option. I think that would work.

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Did not see any option for that in the app. You can do it manually by renaming theold backup folder and redoing existing backup option. I think that would work.
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Wouldn't that just back up everything again? Or maybe I don't follow what you mean.

terlynn4 said:
Wouldn't that just back up everything again? Or maybe I don't follow what you mean.
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Yes, back up everything again but since you rename the old backup folder you end up with 2 incremental backup. At least that how i see it but it would be a pain to do that if you want nighly backups.
The only other idea may be to set a scheduled backup (paid). Just took a look, it say you can have customisable backups in premium (which i don't have) maybe someone can tell us what that contains?

IamTheBRAVE said:
Yes, back up everything again but since you rename the old backup folder you end up with 2 incremental backup. At least that how i see it but it would be a pain to do that if you want nighly backups.
The only other idea may be to set a scheduled backup (paid). Just took a look, it say you can have customisable backups in premium (which i don't have) maybe someone can tell us what that contains?
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You're talking about multiple backups, I'm talking about incremental/differential backups, where only modified data is backed up. The purpose is for smaller size and faster backups so they can be run daily or even multiple times a day. I save my backups to google drive and "all apps" is about 20 GB for me. It's insane to upload that much every single night when most of it hasn't changed, but I want my backups always up to date for the next time my phone is bricked unexpectedly. I do have premium, but the option to back up only modified data isn't there. I'm looking for an app that can do that, like Titanium Backup did flawlessly.