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Sense 4.0 / HTC One Camera app - pre-release video walkthrough

Hi Everyone,
I’m new to XDA, so I thought I’d try to make my first post as helpful as I can (I love the noob video on the registration page by the way! )
Anyway…
I was recently taking part in an online discussion with some Android beginners, and a really big topic for them was the new camera app in Sense 4.0 / upcoming HTC One series. Due to the varying knowledge levels of the people and the difficulty of typing out so many replies, I offered to create a video to (attempt to) address many of their questions.
So, with the aid of the S4X ROM from the Virtuous team, I put together a 24 minute video that goes through the included pre-release version of the camera app in Sense 4.0 from start to finish.
Please note that I was asked to go through each and every one of the menu options, while also having to add a walkthrough of the updated panorama feature and include explanations of stuff like ISO etc. For that reason, some of you may find that the video drags on a bit (oh, and I’m no Spielberg either ).
Still, if it helps a small handful of people, it was worth the effort.
HTC One Camera app - pre-release video walkthrough
Cheers,
Bugsy.

SenseBugs said:
Have done. Thanks for your help!
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Anytime mate Welcome to XDA!
Sent from my HTC Sensation XE with Beats Audio using xda premium

Hey, edited the OP adding the link to the video.
Cheers

SenseBugs said:
Hi Everyone,
I’m new to XDA, so I thought I’d try to make my first post as helpful as I can (I love the noob video on the registration page by the way! )
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Thanks for sharing and welcome to XDA
I posted a link to your vid in the sample images thread as they are discussing the topic of interface videos there at the moment. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1543802

Hmm, there was something in your video that got me thinking.
You pointed out that an f2.0 camera lens allows twice as much light into the camera than an f2.8 lens would (so 100% more light).
This reminded me that HTC stated that the One X lets in 44% more light than the previous model. Does anyone know which previous model HTC were refering to? I'm guessing it's not the Sensation, because I doubt that has an f2.3 (ish?) lens

Sensation is f2.4, One X is f2.0

craigspc said:
Hmm, there was something in your video that got me thinking.
You pointed out that an f2.0 camera lens allows twice as much light into the camera than an f2.8 lens would (so 100% more light).
This reminded me that HTC stated that the One X lets in 44% more light than the previous model. Does anyone know which previous model HTC were refering to? I'm guessing it's not the Sensation, because I doubt that has an f2.3 (ish?) lens
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In relation to an F2.8 lens, 44% more light does equate to F2.4. Having said that, I can't say that I've ever seen any documentation where HTC have stated that the Sensation has an F2.4 lens. Images don't appear to contain this info embedded in their EXIF data either.
@EddyOS Would you mind telling me how you found this info?
Bugsy

my One X review

Hello all, I know traditionally i only review samsung devices as a samsung mobiler i've decided to branch out a bit and share the love. So here's my review on the One x. Let me know what you think, i'm always taking your comments on board and trying to make my content better.
Out of interest it was filmed on a canon Eos 1100D rather than my galaxy s2 for a change. Hopefully you can tell the difference
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y8JwiCQlxhg&feature=youtu.be
and a video of the two flavours of ICS on the galaxy nexus and the one X
http://youtu.be/V4Gidj5dEic
I also took some photos from different angles of the one x...find them at my blog here:
http://staceysamsungmobiler.blogspot.co.uk/2012/04/htc-one-x.html
Here's a quick comparison of the screen on the Galaxy Nexus vs HTC one x. Which do you prefer?
http://staceysamsungmobiler.blogspot.co.uk/2012/04/super-amoled-vs-super-ips-lcd2.html

Good to see a Samsung Mobiler here enjoyed views of the SGS2. Nice review you'll enjoy the device
Sent from my GT-I9100 using Tapatalk

nikzDHD said:
Good to see a Samsung Mobiler here enjoyed views of the SGS2. Nice review you'll enjoy the device
Sent from my GT-I9100 using Tapatalk
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so far i'm totally in love with it....i wonder what the s3 will bring to the table though

The one device that I've been patiently waiting for do you guys get insider knowledge?
Sent from my GT-I9100 using Tapatalk

all i know is the same stuff as all the rumours out there....

Most of the time your hand seems to be in focus rather than the device screen
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skr_xd said:
Most of the time your hand seems to be in focus rather than the device screen
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LOL yes! i'm sorry about that, i'm totally new to DSLR and was having a little trouble focusing it.

Stacey thanks for sharing with us.
Whats software did the phone you reviewed had 1.26.xxx?
What was the battery like with ur experience?
Have you noticed any of the problems that people here in the forum are having ?

Mr_Twist said:
Stacey thanks for sharing with us.
Whats software did the phone you reviewed had 1.26.xxx?
What was the battery like with ur experience?
Have you noticed any of the problems that people here in the forum are having ?
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1.26.401.2
battery is average in my opinion, and no problems as of yet

Amazing videos, Stacey

thank you very much

Oh and thanks for the images you uploaded ! I really needed some high res images !
And listen, how are the blacks on the One X compared to the Galaxy Nexus's?

Staceymobiler said:
all i know is the same stuff as all the rumours out there....
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Nice review Stacey!
I thought Mobilers always had access to the Samsung devices prior to general public. I clearly remember Dom and you had the SGS2 long (weeks/days) before the general public. Both of you guys had a popular thread before release of the SGS2 during last April/May.
Hey, PM me a photo of the SGS3 and the specs list...Trust me, I won't tell anyone!

Good reviews there and i love your english. Hope i will talk like that someday.
One thing to the Multitask. The thing you reviewed on the One X as Taskmanager ist the taskmanager. Its just a graphic gimmik to show main threads and easily jump from one to another. Search on the device applist for Taskmanager and then you see your real tasks and up to 9 tasks at once.
I realy love my One X but i think all Sense gimmiks are just made to look good. Usability is just on 2nd rank. For much Sense widgets i use alternatives.

nice review
thank you

rd_nest said:
Nice review Stacey!
I thought Mobilers always had access to the Samsung devices prior to general public. I clearly remember Dom and you had the SGS2 long (weeks/days) before the general public. Both of you guys had a popular thread before release of the SGS2 during last April/May.
Hey, PM me a photo of the SGS3 and the specs list...Trust me, I won't tell anyone!
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It's true we did have the s2weeks before it was released , but this time round It's not the same lol I honestly know as much as you guys lol

lokiderelb said:
Good reviews there and i love your english. Hope i will talk like that someday.
One thing to the Multitask. The thing you reviewed on the One X as Taskmanager ist the taskmanager. Its just a graphic gimmik to show main threads and easily jump from one to another. Search on the device applist for Taskmanager and then you see your real tasks and up to 9 tasks at once.
I realy love my One X but i think all Sense gimmiks are just made to look good. Usability is just on 2nd rank. For much Sense widgets i use alternatives.
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Ahhyes ! I found it. Please I'll add a note to the description of the video. Thanks for pointing it out

A good video, just one word of advice:
When you want to show something on the screen, dont move the phone closer to the camera, it makes the image blurry.
Best is to just keep it the way it is, so that the image stays sharp and then once you're editing the video zoom in digitally!
That'll make the screen more readable

Thanka for the feed back, seriously guys this all helps me for when I make my next . My next purchase is a proper tripod for my camera lol

also added a quick comparison of super amoled vs super ips LCD2...see 1st post for url

HTC One X's horrific video bitrate - why isn't it talked about? [FIXED?]

EDIT: This guy just made my day!! I just made a 47kbit video with this mod to stock camera.
NOW we can close this thread if mods so desire =) Thank you everyone!
So the bitrate on HTC One X's camera is hilariously low.
Videos that it spits out terrible when compared to SGSII which I gave to my wife. Video is just strobbing and wobbling due to it.
I understand that some people have very low quality standards and are satisfied with it, and there were some threads about it here.. but everything kinda died out.
I think hardware is capable of "normal" bitrate, since some market camera apps allow for it.. But can we make a hack to our camera to allow for high bitrates?
I mean, I love the phone.. but what's the point of 1080p video capability if it spits out 10k bitrate? None.

DarkDvr said:
I understand that some people have very low quality standards and are satisfied with it, and there were some threads about it here.. but everything kinda died out.
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Maybe that should tell you something. Do you think starting a new thread when others are open is going to change anything? It's been acknowledged and is for now a fact of life. What are you expecting to happen? More ranting? A petition perhaps? For those that are desperately miserable with all or parts of the One X, why don't you sell it and get an SGS3? Repetitive ranting here isn't going to change anything no matter how many threads are opened.
Duplicate threads, especially those that are stated as duplicate threads, get closed.

I agree, 720p goes ok, but 1080p stutters a lil bit.. the bitrate should be higher..
tried it with some other apps, like lgCamcorder.. you can select the bitrate and you'll get smoother video (20mbps is enough)
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maybe HTC will eventually bring out an update, wich increases the bitrate of the camera app (hope so)

Maybe that should tell you something. Do you think starting a new thread when others are open is going to change anything? It's been acknowledged and is for now a fact of life. What are you expecting to happen? More ranting? A petition perhaps? For those that are desperately miserable with all or parts of the One X, why don't you sell it and get an SGS3? Repetitive ranting here isn't going to change anything no matter how many threads are opened.
Duplicate threads, especially those that are stated as duplicate threads, get closed.
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Look at you all puffing and pissed off, lol. Angry little creature.
I opened this thread because it's a legitimate question about why aren't those threads getting an attention they deserve. Perhaps people are satisfied with choppy wobbly video that One X produces, perhaps a solution has been found that I'm not aware of. Hence, the thread.
And a related question - What are you expecting to happen by yelling at me for opening this thread? More ranting? For you, desperately miserable and super angry about this thread, why don't you see a shrink - perhaps they can fix you up.
Now unless you got something relevant to contribute to the problem at hand, go rant somewhere else.

Super-Veloce said:
I agree, 720p goes ok, but 1080p stutters a lil bit.. the bitrate should be higher..
tried it with some other apps, like lgCamcorder.. you can select the bitrate and you'll get smoother video (20mbps is enough)
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maybe HTC will eventually bring out an update, wich increases the bitrate of the camera app (hope so)
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I remember seeing someone who developed a higher bitrate camera for Sensation trying to make one for HOX.. but not sure what happened there - did he lose interest?
It just surprises me that this isn't discussed much more.

Search for the sense HQcamera mod - when i was running sense i got 29fps at 11-12,000kbps and uncompressed/4-5mb pics BIG difference compared to stock camera. CM9 - im getting 18-19,000kbps with 22fps indoors, will test outdoors later.

It's been talked about A LOT, especially by me in this thread.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=24993164&postcount=39

ArmedandDangerous said:
It's been talked about A LOT, especially by me in this thread.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=24993164&postcount=39
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cool m8, When you look at the results from the mod/apps you think what the hell is HTC thinking.

ArmedandDangerous said:
It's been talked about A LOT, especially by me in this thread.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=24993164&postcount=39
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Thank you! I remember looking at that thread, but haven't seen the these results.

mafia187 said:
Search for the sense HQcamera mod - when i was running sense i got 29fps at 11-12,000kbps and uncompressed/4-5mb pics BIG difference compared to stock camera. CM9 - im getting 18-19,000kbps with 22fps indoors, will test outdoors later.
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Yes, I remember that one. Unfortunately, development of it for HOX was stopped, and existing beta mod freeezes up and FCs a lot. I just tried latest 1.3beta for Sense4 - that is indeed the case.
I contacted that developer with a PM, asking him what does he need to fully port that mod for HOX, with 25+mbits for 1080p. If he needs a financial incentive to compensate for his time and effort, I'll get a bounty going here.
So far, only Camera ICS works decently well, without crashing.
LGCamera is on and off kind of thing. About half the time it doesn't record anything - just black video feed.

DarkDvr said:
Thank you! I remember looking at that thread, but haven't seen the these results.
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I've actually been asked by a XDA member to do some more tests with the current ROM version. Will be doing 720p and 1080p some time soon Been raining these days, not enough sun ):

one thing to open a new thread to "talk about the problem" over and over, another with the purpose of actually solving / improving the issue.
imho i'm tired of discussing the "problem", it has been discussed already to death, that's why the search function is for.
as far as the "solution" goes, there's couple of threads/developments around which (WOW) are linked in the respective "problem" threads....
@OP: there's other alternatives to LgCamera that work well...care to search for them?

zerozoneice said:
one thing to open a new thread to "talk about the problem" over and over, another with the purpose of actually solving / improving the issue.
imho i'm tired of discussing the "problem", it has been discussed already to death, that's why the search function is for.
as far as the "solution" goes, there's couple of threads/developments around which (WOW) are linked in the respective "problem" threads....
@OP: there's other alternatives to LgCamera that work well...care to search for them?
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And your ranting adds what to the thread?
LGCamera doesn't work very well with HOX. Many times it can't get the feed from camera and won't work until reboot.
Camera ICS is a bad alternative as it's ugly, has adds and has resolution problems.
HDCamera mod doesn't work with HOX.
I did read those threads, that's why I opened this one.
Now, can we stop acting like a new thread costs millions of dollars and move on with the discussion? If you don't want to participate - don't participate. If all you want to do is complain - please avoid this thread kkthnx.

DarkDvr said:
And your ranting adds what to the thread?
LGCamera doesn't work very well with HOX. Many times it can't get the feed from camera and won't work until reboot.
Camera ICS is a bad alternative as it's ugly, has adds and has resolution problems.
HDCamera mod doesn't work with HOX.
I did read those threads, that's why I opened this one.
Now, can we stop acting like a new thread costs millions of dollars and move on with the discussion? If you don't want to participate - don't participate. If all you want to do is complain - please avoid this thread kkthnx.
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close your eyes when taking a photo so you don't have to see the CameraICS interface...add 1.99$ to the mix and get rid of the ads. there are no resolution problems.
nothing new that hasn't been said before.....

zerozoneice said:
close your eyes when taking a photo so you don't have to see the CameraICS interface...add 1.99$ to the mix and get rid of the ads. there are no resolution problems.
nothing new that hasn't been said before.....
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'close your eyes when taking a photo'??
... Wow. Just.. Wow.
Could I ask you to please stop trolling this thread? Just... ignore it. Thanks.

zerozoneice said:
there are no resolution problems.
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I've never mentioned it before, but all those apps at least used to have dodgy aspect ratios when recording video, couldnt find any option to work around it.
Just looked now actually, most recent version of camera ics has fixed that...
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lawrence750 said:
I've never mentioned it before, but all those apps at least used to have dodgy aspect ratios when recording video, couldnt find any option to work around it.
Just looked now actually, most recent version of camera ics has fixed that...
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It still does =(
Just bought a paid version of Camera ICS - tested it out - stretched videos. Had to get a refund immediately.
So Camera ICS isn't a viable option, so is LGCamera that can't even connect to the camera about 80% of the time (tested on several ROMs).
Back at square one =(

45kbit+ video mod for stock camera!!! Seems to be working fine so far. Now I'm happy =)

Seems to be recording at 24fps only. Not smooth enough for me /:

ArmedandDangerous said:
Seems to be recording at 24fps only. Not smooth enough for me /:
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there was a mod for 29FPS out there, wasn't it?
but bitrate still @ 10-12mbps
pick your poison, will take a genius to combine FPS and bitrate in one mod

Getting my M8 today! Wanting your opinions.

I just got a free upgrade from my insurance company from the m7 to the m8. I'm pretty pumped because I've watched a TON of reviews and comparisons for this phone and, besides battery life, I quite enjoyed my m7 for the time I had it.
I am just curious what are your opinions on your M8's. What do you like? What don't you like? What problems have you noticed and then found a fix for? Which rom do you prefer using? (I was using Venom)
And anything else you think a new M8 user should know.
Thanks

So you make duplicate threads that are actually kinda useless. It's all about what you think of the phone .....

Mr Hofs said:
So you make duplicate threads that are actually kinda useless. It's all about what you think of the phone .....
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First off, I didn't know all of my questions were already in a thread. So there's that.
Secondly, I know it's what I think of a phone, but before I buy a car, I'd be stupid not to ask someone who has owned one for a few months and has toyed around with it.

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First off, I didn't know all of my questions were already in a thread.
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I believe he thought you made 2 threads asking the same question (duplicate posts, or cross posting), but it looked like your thread was actually moved here from the "General" section, as I'm pretty sure I saw it there earlier. Although similar content (opinions on the phone) can likely be found in several other threads.
The M8 is a wonderful phone. I can't personally speak of comparisons with the M7, since I basically "skipped" a generation and came from the One X (EVITA). But I've seen folks mention that the M7 had issues with blue or purple tint to photos, which is not an issue on the M8.
I love the front facing speakers, and overall build quality. Nice display, and responsiveness is very smooth and snappy. Not really anything I don't like about the phone.
Some folks complain about the camera (MP), but I think many of them are obssessed with meaningless spec numbers as opposed to looking at the actual quality of the pics that are taken. If you look at the picture threads, they basically speak for themselves in terms of what can be done on this camera. The dual camera is a kinda cool, if a little gimmicky.

Question How the Camera after several updates?

Does it stack up against the competition?

Love it. Takes good pics.
Night mode is not up to much but, despite the grief it gets on reviews, I love tilt shift.
I guess I haven't seen anyone on review sites use it correctly though.

The camera continues to impress!
Check out the photos thread....

galaxys said:
The camera continues to impress!
Check out the photos thread....
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Where is the photo thread? I am sorry I was looking for it earlier. Seems xda changed the layout. I haven't been on here in some time

worldsoutro said:
Where is the photo thread? I am sorry I was looking for it earlier. Seems xda changed the layout. I haven't been on here in some time
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Post your pics let's see the camera in action
Let's see those pics in real life situations. Here's mine with the latest software release
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