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Hummingbird vs. Snapdragon

What can the Hummingbird graphics capabilities do that the Snapdragon can't? I have an Evo, but my 2nd line is up for renewal soon. I could get another EVO for that person, or an Epic, and switch the lines. I'm really happy w/ my evo, I have avalaunch V9 running on it and it does everything I need it to do.
So far, I don't feel like the graphics processing has limited any performance. I have been able to play a few roms without a problem, and a few android games as well.
So in what way does the Hummingbird really make a difference besides performance tests like Quadrant?

Are you a burned spy?

If you don't notice anything wrong with the Snapdragon GPU, then the Evo is probably fine for you. It depends on if you want the keyboard or not.
The Epic also has S-AMOLED which is gorgeous, so it'd be best to see them both side-by-side to make your decision.
Also, Snapdragon has much better performance application wise because it's CPU core is second to none, but the opposite is true for the Hummingbird, it does have a solid CPU core, but it isn't as good as the Snapdragon, however minus the as-yet-unreleased Tegra 2 chips, the Hummingbird has the best mobile GPU on the market.
Its a decision thats really up to you, if you want the keyboard, go Epic, if you can live without it, and the Evo GPU doesn't affect you, then it's probably a good bet due to the better camera & the bigger screen.

@Geniusdog254
do you have links to the whitepapers for the cpus or even better yet the phones? Id be very interested in just reading about the processors and their respective gpu's
thanks

Not to mention that it isn't that the evo's gpu is THAT much worse than the gpu is the samsung galaxy, its just that the galaxy's gpu is in the powervr sgx family of GPUs that are in the iphone....so of course games are going to be optimized to that gpu more than the andreno gpu that is in the snapdragon (at least initially).

The Hummingbird processor is virtually the same as the iphone 4 processor minus apple's mods. snapdragon is fast but doesn't have the graphics capabilities that humming bird has. I for one will not be getting the evo or the epic. i will wait for the first carrier to release a dual core phone. Either way you look at it you have an evo now, get a epic and if you don't like it get another evo b4 your thirty days are up.

nenn said:
@Geniusdog254
do you have links to the whitepapers for the cpus or even better yet the phones? Id be very interested in just reading about the processors and their respective gpu's
thanks
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Unfortunately no. I've looked and looked and looked for ANY real Qualcomm docs on the QSD (Snapdragon) chips and none have been leaked yet. If there had been I woulda been able to overclock the GPU by now
I haven't done any looking for Hummingbird docs but I really really doubt that they're out yet either.
If you find any for either one, give me a shout with a PM here, or Twitter me (@geniusdog254), or email me ([email protected])

just sent them an email requesting it for my college final project. complete BS, but perhaps it'll hook a sucker and ill get some real technical information.

Moving to the SGS II

Well just got upgraded to the SGS II.
Curious if there is anything i should know about the device. I know its beautiful.. and i herd about screen issues but i was holding one and could see anything wrong with the screen...
So Pros, Cons, Quirks, anything you wish you knew off hand?

Depends on what you plan on doing with it ... If you bought for the snazzy voice talk options beware that some roms don't include it and doubletap of the home button to activate it is removed and many roms don't even have voice talk in them .... I got kinda frustrated with that at first ... And just installing the apk wouldnt get it working..... (
with my bluetooth headset ) () to claify that the call button wouldnt activate / open voice talk
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freakyliciousfishy said:
Depends on what you plan on doing with it ... If you bought for the snazzy voice talk options beware that some roms don't include it and doubletap of the home button to activate it is removed and many roms don't even have voice talk in them .... I got kinda frustrated with that at first ... And just installing the apk wouldnt get it working..... (
with my bluetooth headset ) () to claify that the call button wouldnt activate / open voice talk
Sent from my SGH-T989 using XDA App
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not entirely true about voice talk actions. the Samsung one may have been taking out since it sucks anyways. stock android voice commands work better IMO.

I recently switched from the sensation to the Galaxy S2 and im 1000% glad i did, samsung did a amazing job on this device. And TouchWiz is pretty cool and not laggy and slow as sense.
Only con i can even think of is the screen issue with some lines and blotches. My screen personally has the blotches but its really not noticible unless you looking for it in a dark room and with dark lighting but even then its not bothersome at all.

Thanks for the replies. I am excited about this phone. Sucks that it is on back order and will be another week or more till it even ships .

immunityx said:
Only con i can even think of is the screen issue with some lines and blotches. My screen personally has the blotches but its really not noticible unless you looking for it in a dark room and with dark lighting but even then its not bothersome at all.
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also the actual processor and gpu sucks compared to Exynos used in the real SGS2 variants. I cant even consider TMo's SGS2 a real SGS2. just a little beefier Samsung Hercules.

brian_v3ntura said:
also the actual processor and gpu sucks. I cant even consider TMo's SGS2 a real SGS2. just a little beefier Samsung Hercules.
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theres nothing wrong with the processor ,my phone rocks and performs the same if not better than any other stock version of SGS2

tigerz0202 said:
theres nothing wrong with the processor ,my phone rocks and performs the same if not better than any other stock version of SGS2
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nothing wrong? its old hardware. i would rather have the better performing Exynos processor than the watered down Snapdragon TMo SGS2. i dont see why Tmobile will sacrifice the main component that made the SGS2 an SGS2 just to claim that the phone supports up to HSPA+ 42mbps....which we will never see those speeds before the SGS3

brian_v3ntura said:
also the actual processor and gpu sucks compared to Exynos used in the real SGS2 variants. I cant even consider TMo's SGS2 a real SGS2. just a little beefier Samsung Hercules.
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The processor doesn't suck. It has better browser performance according to anandtech. The problem is that samsung has hardware acceleration for the stock rom on their other variants and not this one. The miui phone apparently blows most phones out of the water with its processor which is the same as this phone. Tons of optimization. All the same games run on both processors without hiccups. Also 42mbs is not the speed it can theoretically go up to that speed.
Realistic speeds are more along the lines 20 down and whatever uplpoad. I seen some people even get 26 down which is basically advertised lte speeds from Verizon. Also when you put both phones on gingerbread lets say cyanogen mod since its optimized you won't see a difference. You only see it on a stock touchwiz rom i doubt you'll see a difference when your on ice cream sandwich as well.

brian_v3ntura said:
nothing wrong? its old hardware. i would rather have the better performing Exynos processor than the watered down Snapdragon TMo SGS2. i dont see why Tmobile will sacrifice the main component that made the SGS2 an SGS2 just to claim that the phone supports up to HSPA+ 42mbps....which we will never see those speeds before the SGS3
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well no one on any network will see those speeds for a while, att uses the same processor for their LTE network, i dont have a problem with speeds where i live , i get 15 meg on a regular basis and spikes up to 20 sometimes. And as far as performance it seems to hold up fine against the other phones. The phone is fine

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well no one on any network will see those speeds for a while, att uses the same processor for their LTE network, i dont have a problem with speeds where i live , i get 15 meg on a regular basis and spikes up to 20 sometimes. And as far as performance it seems to hold up fine against the other phones. The phone is fine
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I don't see what people always say inferior processor. I don't see what my processor can't do that the other processors can. Quadrant scores ,benchmarks, don't matter in real life performance. The exynos processor doesn't give any magical ability to fly or anything.

Killbynature said:
I don't see what people always say inferior processor. I don't see what my processor can't do that the other processors can. Quadrant scores ,benchmarks, don't matter in real life performance. The exynos processor doesn't give any magical ability to fly or anything.
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i dont get it either, and as far as benchmarks even though they really dont matter my scores on the phone stock not rooted out of the box were 200 points better than any review on any website had the other variants at with the exynos.Gotta watch which article you read because it hard to find them that are un-biased .Naturally if they are reviewing a phone for a carrier its gonna be biased towards it. Only way of really reviewing a phone is hands on so you can do it yourself. Some people just care wayyy too much about stuff that dont matter.....i love this phone

tigerz0202 said:
well no one on any network will see those speeds for a while, att uses the same processor for their LTE network, i dont have a problem with speeds where i live , i get 15 meg on a regular basis and spikes up to 20 sometimes. And as far as performance it seems to hold up fine against the other phones. The phone is fine
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that wasnt my point. it was just a waste for tmobile to choose the dual-core snapdragon processor just so they can claim their phone supports up to 42mbps. exynos only supports up to 21mbps which is just fine for real world experience.
yes the processor used in the TMo SGS2 is just fine,but thats just it....its just fine.
Killbynature said:
I don't see what people always say inferior processor. I don't see what my processor can't do that the other processors can. Quadrant scores ,benchmarks, don't matter in real life performance. The exynos processor doesn't give any magical ability to fly or anything.
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the biggest difference between exynos and our dual-core snapdragon is GPU performance. i'm not even going to try to explain the differences myself as its already been said main times. so i will just quote from this article:
In return for this boost in possible data rates, some things are lost with the change over to Snapdragon. Perhaps the most important difference between the Exynos and Snapdragon is the graphics performance. As is the case with all SoCs, these chips have dedicated GPUs. The Qualcomm chip in the T-Mobile Galaxy S runs an Adreno 220, which is a fine component. Exynos, on the other hand, far surpasses it in graphical prowess.
The Exynos is the first mainstream SoC to license and use the ARM Mali-400 GPU. This is a quad-core graphics processor that bests all the other chips in GPU performance. So by going with a Snapdragon, even one clocked up to 1.5GHz, T-Mobile is sacrificing a significant amount of performance.
Straight processing power is also greater on the Exynos chip, but the gap is smaller than for the GPU. Qualcomm still uses its Scorpion core — a core developed to match the Cortex-A8, but Exynos is Cortex-A9. Snapdragon isn’t completely left in the dust because it’s still a solid custom architecture, but a 1.2GHz Exynos will still crunch more bits than a 1.5GHz Snapdragon.
The Snapdragon will offer users one additional benefit in the form of better battery life. The Qualcomm-designed Scorpion to be capable of asynchronous operation, making it possible for an unneeded core to be clocked down independently. This is much better for standby time and low-impact tasks.
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http://www.extremetech.com/mobile/96267-how-samsungs-chip-change-up-affects-the-t-mobile-galaxy-s2
idk about you guys, but i rather have the best of the best. i definitely dont want to miss out on the new-gen high-end games when they do come out.

brian_v3ntura said:
that wasnt my point. it was just a waste for tmobile to choose the dual-core snapdragon processor just so they can claim their phone supports up to 42mbps. exynos only supports up to 21mbps which is just fine for real world experience.
yes the processor used in the TMo SGS2 is just fine,but thats just it....its just fine.
the biggest difference between exynos and our dual-core snapdragon is GPU performance. i'm not even going to try to explain the differences myself as its already been said main times. so i will just quote from this article:
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well my sensation supported up to 14 meg and in the same exact areas never saw over 5. also tell me what you can do with a Xyenos processor that you cant do with the one we got

brian_v3ntura said:
that wasnt my point. it was just a waste for tmobile to choose the dual-core snapdragon processor just so they can claim their phone supports up to 42mbps. exynos only supports up to 21mbps which is just fine for real world experience.
yes the processor used in the TMo SGS2 is just fine,but thats just it....its just fine.
the biggest difference between exynos and our dual-core snapdragon is GPU performance. i'm not even going to try to explain the differences myself as its already been said main times. so i will just quote from this article:
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Um your point valid we know its an inferior. But still it does what i needs to do you won't actually see the performance difference on the same optimized rom like cyanogenmod or miui. You won't even notice fps difference since their both locked at 60fps. So its fine. The point is its superior as seen on paper and benchmark test but they both work perfectly fine. The exynos doesn't give you wings.
There are no games the both processors can't play smoothly. Tell the truth most apps and everything start up at the same time and speed. So having all that processing power which will be null and void in like a year or two will really matter. A lot of apps and games say not compatible with the samsung galaxy s2 yet. Because of the processor and gpu combo. This is for the original version of the galaxy s2.
If the exynos made me play a game that can only run on that processor then yeah. But it doesn't. It doesn't make anything load faster either.

by the time a game comes out that fully puts a either of those processors to use we will be using another phone with different processors and who cares about games on a phone, just get a ps3,360 or pc for that

brian_v3ntura said:
idk about you guys, but i rather have the best of the best. i definitely dont want to miss out on the new-gen high-end games when they do come out.
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You have a warped sense of reason if you think that the difference in performance between the Exynos and the SD3 constitutes your statement: "the actual processor sucks".

tigerz0202 said:
well my sensation supported up to 14 meg and in the same exact areas never saw over 5. also tell me what you can do with a Xyenos processor that you cant do with the one we got
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i alrdy told you, CLIFF NOTES: better gaming and better processing crunch.
you're talking about the sensation. not remotely close to anything equipped with exynos. its easy to claim something without providing concrete proof. you can say your sensation never got past 5mbps in the same areas, but that can depend on a number of things.
1)reception efficiency of the radio
2)tower upgrade timeline in specific areas
3)blowing smoke.
Killbynature said:
Um your point valid we know its an inferior. But still it does what i needs to do you won't actually see the performance difference on the same optimized rom like cyanogenmod or miui. You won't even notice fps difference since their both locked at 60fps. So its fine. The point is its superior as seen on paper and benchmark test but they both work perfectly fine. The exynos doesn't give you wings.
There are no games the both processors can't play smoothly. Tell the truth most apps and everything start up at the same time and speed. So having all that processing power which will be null and void in like a year or two will really matter. A lot of apps and games say not compatible with the samsung galaxy s2 yet. Because of the processor and gpu combo. This is for the original version of the galaxy s2.
If the exynos made me play a game that can only run on that processor then yeah. But it doesn't. It doesn't make anything load faster either.
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there are no games that both processors cant play smoothly? i guess you played EVERY GAME then right? Here's an example of a game; dungeon defenders.
i'm just waiting for the new-gen of games to come out to really see the limits of this qualcomm dual-core snapdragon. the new-gen games are closer to release dates than you think.
PLUS any mobile processor is pretty much null and void within a year or two. But at least the Exynos has a better chance of holding its ground.
redline06 said:
by the time a game comes out that fully puts a either of those processors to use we will be using another phone with different processors and who cares about games on a phone, just get a ps3,360 or pc for that
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not entirely true. not willing to summarize what i said above. i forgot to add that "Bladeslinger" may be THE game that will show the performance difference between the two.
i care about mobile gaming. its a nice thing to to have when you're away. its fun. plus the only thing i play on console is COD.
Bimboy said:
You have a warped sense of reason if you think that the difference in performance between the Exynos and the SD3 constitutes your statement: "the actual processor sucks".
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sucks in the sense of old hardware.

All in all. It's your opinion and your view of what fits your needs right? It's not being constructive to give criticism when it only is one sided. I can tell you value the best and fastest in technology. there are ways to express it than to bring everyone down. I could care less about gpu or the type of processor because I have an actual laptop for that. I am happy with the speed and response of this phone. So to downplay things you think are wrong with this phone with cliffnotes and technical theories then you really aren't being constructive.
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i alrdy told you, CLIFF NOTES: better gaming and better processing crunch.
you're talking about the sensation. not remotely close to anything equipped with exynos. its easy to claim something without providing concrete proof. you can say your sensation never got past 5mbps in the same areas, but that can depend on a number of things.
1)reception efficiency of the radio
2)tower upgrade timeline in specific areas
3)blowing smoke.
there are no games that both processors cant play smoothly? i guess you played EVERY GAME then right? Here's an example of a game; dungeon defenders.
i'm just waiting for the new-gen of games to come out to really see the limits of this qualcomm dual-core snapdragon. the new-gen games are closer to release dates than you think.
PLUS any mobile processor is pretty much null and void within a year or two. But at least the Exynos has a better chance of holding its ground.
not entirely true. not willing to summarize what i said above. i forgot to add that "Bladeslinger" may be THE game that will show the performance difference between the two.
i care about mobile gaming. its a nice thing to to have when you're away. its fun. plus the only thing i play on console is COD.
sucks in the sense of old hardware.
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brian_v3ntura said:
i alrdy told you, CLIFF NOTES: better gaming and better processing crunch.
you're talking about the sensation. not remotely close to anything equipped with exynos. its easy to claim something without providing concrete proof. you can say your sensation never got past 5mbps in the same areas, but that can depend on a number of things.
1)reception efficiency of the radio
2)tower upgrade timeline in specific areas
3)blowing smoke.
there are no games that both processors cant play smoothly? i guess you played EVERY GAME then right? Here's an example of a game; dungeon defenders.
i'm just waiting for the new-gen of games to come out to really see the limits of this qualcomm dual-core snapdragon. the new-gen games are closer to release dates than you think.
PLUS any mobile processor is pretty much null and void within a year or two. But at least the Exynos has a better chance of holding its ground.
not entirely true. not willing to summarize what i said above. i forgot to add that "Bladeslinger" may be THE game that will show the performance difference between the two.
i care about mobile gaming. its a nice thing to to have when you're away. its fun. plus the only thing i play on console is COD.
sucks in the sense of old hardware.
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I played dungeon defenders I'm rooted it doesn't slow down or anything. I don't see your point. BladeSlinger is for all android devices.... Not to mention ShadowGun looks exactly like it in quality and i can play that on my device as well smoothly. Bladeslinger also pauses in the middle of gameplay to do a special move. Shadowgun enemies are always shooting at you.
Chainfire prove before that all you need is simple plugins to run the tega2 only games or qualcomm only games on any device. What makes you think it will be so different in the future. No one will be using the same exynos next year majority of ppl will sell of the galaxy s2 or the galaxy s3. It will be the same with the Qualcomm processor for the new krait or the new tegra3 processor. I can play dungeon defenders on mytouch 4g with its single core processor on miui. So what?

HTC One S faster than One X?

<<Another interesting (although quite odd as well) detail, is the fact that the HTC One S is reportedly the second fastest mobile device in the world when it comes to rendering video, obtaining results that are far superior to the Tegra 3 Transformer Prime and HTC One X.>>
http://www.androidauthority.com/snapdragon-s4-pro-benchmark-66510/

Looks like this won't be "the benchmark phone", but I really don't care when all the real world reports are talking about how fast and smooth it is.

This was answered more than 100 times, check Mega thread.

People are so obsessed with Benchmarks they forgets about real world usage.

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People are so obsessed with Benchmarks they forgets about real world usage.
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Fully agree!
I don't care for these numbers, they are nothing worth.

Once AOSP ROMs pop up and devs start to meddle with everything, the X will be *the* benchmark phone.
And yes, numbers doesn't mean anything. My highest benchmark number made on my HTC Desire was made with a Sense ROM, yet I find Oxygen and CyanogenMod *a lot* faster than Sense for everyday use. So it means nothing.

i dont understand where everyone got this feeling is it from my thread? i showed pros and cons and i showed how they trade blows in benchmarks, wipes the s4 in true multi core tests like Antutu, i also showed how the GPU beats adreno225 in many tests and how its beats it overall @720p
Tegra 3 is currently the fastest most untapped mobile processor out there
many benchmarks are not taking advantage of the quad core
this is video proves it all
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=9S65h7cT0bo

hamdir said:
i dont understand where everyone got this feeling is it from my thread? i showed pros and cons and i showed how they trade blows in benchmarks, wipes the s4 in true multi core tests like Antutu, i also showed how the GPU beats adreno225 in many tests and how its beats it overall @720p
Tegra 3 is currently the fastest most untapped mobile processor out there
many benchmarks are not taking advantage of the quad core
this is video proves it all
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=9S65h7cT0bo
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+1 that video does really show the balls the Tegra 3 has!

hamdir said:
i dont understand where everyone got this feeling is it from my thread? i showed pros and cons and i showed how they trade blows in benchmarks, wipes the s4 in true multi core tests like Antutu, i also showed how the GPU beats adreno225 in many tests and how its beats it overall @720p
Tegra 3 is currently the fastest most untapped mobile processor out there
many benchmarks are not taking advantage of the quad core
this is video proves it all
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=9S65h7cT0bo
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14 hd videos! Amazing!
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hamdir said:
i dont understand where everyone got this feeling is it from my thread? i showed pros and cons and i showed how they trade blows in benchmarks, wipes the s4 in true multi core tests like Antutu, i also showed how the GPU beats adreno225 in many tests and how its beats it overall @720p
Tegra 3 is currently the fastest most untapped mobile processor out there
many benchmarks are not taking advantage of the quad core
this is video proves it all
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=9S65h7cT0bo
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Getting thankses for my find =] (is 'thankses' a real word?)
If I were apple I would patent this video.

eeeeeee said:
Getting thankses for my find =] (is 'thankses' a real word?)
If I were apple I would patent this video.
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here you got the thanks in return, this video if flooring anybody who sees it
its already circulating in my friends ring

Just found this benchmark video on youtube:
Benchmark : HTC One X vs HTC One S (AnTuTu)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MELsb7neD2o
HTC One X vs HTC One S - Quad Core Tegra 3 vs Dual Core S4 Qualcomm
One X : 10 597
One S : 6 458

yuripave said:
Just found this benchmark video on youtube:
Benchmark : HTC One X vs HTC One S (AnTuTu)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MELsb7neD2o
HTC One X vs HTC One S - Quad Core Tegra 3 vs Dual Core S4 Qualcomm
One X : 10 597
One S : 6 458
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excellent that's nearly double
Antutu is very good at scaling with the number of cores
i'll caught you into the mega thread!

hamdir said:
i dont understand where everyone got this feeling is it from my thread? i showed pros and cons and i showed how they trade blows in benchmarks, wipes the s4 in true multi core tests like Antutu, i also showed how the GPU beats adreno225 in many tests and how its beats it overall @720p
Tegra 3 is currently the fastest most untapped mobile processor out there
many benchmarks are not taking advantage of the quad core
this is video proves it all
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Congratulations, you found one of the few use cases where all four cores are used.
I have owned the transformer prime tf201 for a month before returning it, and was not massively impressed by the tegra 3.
Under honeycomb it felt virtually the same as the tf101, apart from home screen navigation. The browser was horrendous and considerably worse than my galaxy s2.
On ICS the whole thing was a massive improvement, but sadly the browser (any of them) was still not as good as the ipad2, and even the galaxy s2. I suspect in most cases, the qualcomm s4 will simply feel faster (and browsing in particular im hoping).
Tegra 3 was VERY impressive for media playback though and games aswell, however, there are barely any games on the market that the adreno 205 can not handle let alone the 220/225.
Adreno 220 in s3 was bottlenecked, 225 in s4 should be a lot better and close to tegra 3 gpu.

rarsi123 said:
Congratulations, you found one of the few use cases where all four cores are used.
I have owned the transformer prime tf201 for a month before returning it, and was not massively impressed by the tegra 3.
Under honeycomb it felt virtually the same as the tf101, apart from home screen navigation. The browser was horrendous and considerably worse than my galaxy s2.
On ICS the whole thing was a massive improvement, but sadly the browser (any of them) was still not as good as the ipad2, and even the galaxy s2. I suspect in most cases, the qualcomm s4 will simply feel faster (and browsing in particular im hoping).
Tegra 3 was VERY impressive for media playback though and games aswell, however, there are barely any games on the market that the adreno 205 can not handle let alone the 220/225.
Adreno 220 in s3 was bottlenecked, 225 in s4 should be a lot better and close to tegra 3 gpu.
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i have a Desire HD adreno205 and its starting to fall behind, the 3d games that do work are not working at their best
android default browser is always nonsense even for snapdragon device and opera is a tons better (or other alternative) it might be an asus problem
hard to believe the quad fails in a real multi tasking job like web browsing
media playback and games? YES PLEASE
you returned the T Prime and its the most well praised android tablet out there, with most media concluding its a titan a match to the iPad3, updates are making it better, in fact a massive update has just been released
your issues with the T Prime sound only software problems
not to mention the T Prime shipped with early T30 silicon which had troubles achieving its own thermal goals, we are getting a revised AP33 aimed at 1.5/1.6ghz stable in a mobile phone
you mean to tell me opera was performing worse in the Prime opposed to the SGS2? it runs perfectly on my DHD
Look i wanted to believe the s4 mopes t3 myself mate since i'm angry at the T3 GPU, but i have checked every review, every bench and every technical article out there and simply it did not beat the T3 it simply almost matched it and impressive feat for a dual core, but doesn't cancel or out do the T3 especially not at 1280x720
finally check my posts on the topic
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=24097326&postcount=5
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=24218006&postcount=12
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=24189921&postcount=15
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=24182862&postcount=2344

hamdir said:
i have a Desire HD adreno205 and its starting to fall behind, the 3d games that do work are not working at their best
android default browser is always nonsense even for snapdragon device and opera is a tons better (or other alternative) it might be an asus problem
hard to believe the quad fails in a real multi tasking job like web browsing
media playback and games? YES PLEASE
you returned the T Prime and its the most well praised android tablet out there, with most media concluding its a titan a match to the iPad3, updates are making it better, in fact a massive update has just been released
your issues with the T Prime sound only software problems
not to mention the T Prime shipped with early T30 silicon which had troubles achieving its own thermal goals, we are getting a revised AP33 aimed at 1.5/1.6ghz stable in a mobile phone
finally check my posts on the topic
you mean to tell me opera was performing worse in the Prime opposed to the SGS2? it runs perfectly on my DHD
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I returned it cause i couldnt afford the the £500 to keep it, especially when i know there's a £200 version coming soon! Under ICS it was very useable, but had some notorious bugs, like random reboots. The only real alternative is the ipad, but the aspect ratio renders it useless for media playback, so you are right, the tf201 is the only acceptable tablet out there.
Opera at the time didnt work that well in either honeycomb or ICS, but was amazing in gingerbread. I returned it before chrome beta came out, so cant comment on that either. The default browser has overall been very good since ICS, and i suspect this will be the case in any ONE S/X configuration.
The web browsing was acceptable with ICS, but didnt quite match the galaxy s2 or the ipad2. The galaxy s2 was that good that it made my ipad redundant and I eventually sold it. You'd never guess there was a quad core behind the tf201 when using the internet browser. It never quite looked as good as the only other ICS device, the galaxy nexus.
Overall I was really looking forward to tegra 3 and was left a little disappointed, and felt that perhaps the A9 was just not that good overall. I hoped the revised tegra 3 is a lot better. I was really looking forward to the s4 as well and am again disappointed that it is only comparable with the tegra 3. I may have to wait for the 2.5ghz quadcore version!
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My next phone will still probably be the one x though, one s has been crippled with a poor display and memory

i'm not interested in GPU power but more in efficiency per watt...
maybe too early to know exactly, but i would like to know:
Would the One S combination (S4, Adreno225, qHD, 1650mAh) be more power efficient (i.e battery lasts longer in normal everyday use) than the One X (T3, 720p, 1800mAh).
normal use: 1-2h display usage, browsing, mails, phone, camera, sms
thx!

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I returned it cause i couldnt afford the the £500 to keep it, especially when i know there's a £200 version coming soon! Under ICS it was very useable, but had some notorious bugs, like random reboots. The only real alternative is the ipad, but the aspect ratio renders it useless for media playback, so you are right, the tf201 is the only acceptable tablet out there.
Opera at the time didnt work that well in either honeycomb or ICS, but was amazing in gingerbread. I returned it before chrome beta came out, so cant comment on that either. The default browser has overall been very good since ICS, and i suspect this will be the case in any ONE S/X configuration.
The web browsing was acceptable with ICS, but didnt quite match the galaxy s2 or the ipad2. The galaxy s2 was that good that it made my ipad redundant and I eventually sold it. You'd never guess there was a quad core behind the tf201 when using the internet browser. It never quite looked as good as the only other ICS device, the galaxy nexus.
Overall I was really looking forward to tegra 3 and was left a little disappointed, and felt that perhaps the A9 was just not that good overall. I hoped the revised tegra 3 is a lot better. I was really looking forward to the s4 as well and am again disappointed that it is only comparable with the tegra 3. I may have to wait for the 2.5ghz quadcore version!
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My next phone will still probably be the one x though, one s has been crippled with a poor display and memory
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the reboots you speak of are attributed to software problems and early T30, the revision only solves problems with the silicon, allow 200mhz extra, nothing changed in architecture
@zerozoneice from what we are hearing, T3 is very power efficient, i don't know about amoled

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@zerozoneice from what we are hearing, T3 is very power efficient, i don't know about amoled
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thought the X has SLCD2 and the S has SAMOLED
i have a feeling they carefully balanced the **** out between the two models so there's no clear battery winner....

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Congratulations, you found one of the few use cases where all four cores are used.
I have owned the transformer prime tf201 for a month before returning it, and was not massively impressed by the tegra 3.
Under honeycomb it felt virtually the same as the tf101, apart from home screen navigation. The browser was horrendous and considerably worse than my galaxy s2.
On ICS the whole thing was a massive improvement, but sadly the browser (any of them) was still not as good as the ipad2, and even the galaxy s2. I suspect in most cases, the qualcomm s4 will simply feel faster (and browsing in particular im hoping).
Tegra 3 was VERY impressive for media playback though and games aswell, however, there are barely any games on the market that the adreno 205 can not handle let alone the 220/225.
Adreno 220 in s3 was bottlenecked, 225 in s4 should be a lot better and close to tegra 3 gpu.
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I'm using Asus transformer prime for last 3 months and I think its the best pad right now. It replaced my iPad 2. Tegra 3 is fast at everything. Especially with ICS.
Can hardly wait for One X.
There is nothing better for multitasking than T3 right now. And I use it quite often on phone too.
Companion core should bring good battery life too.
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[Q] Expert Knowledge on Chipsets Please :)

I posted this in the XDA general section not too long ago and didn't get too many replies, I was hoping I could get some more info here.
"I've been doing quite a bit of research on GPU's and CPU's in phone's/tablets lately. And I have a few unanswered questions that I can't seem to find an answer for.
1: What's the best chipset available for mobile phones and tablets right now? This link cleared quite a bit up for me, it does a fairly indepth comparison for both GPU and CPU performance between the Qualcomm S4, Tegra 3, OMAP 4470, and the Exynos 4212. And I dont want the 'Well this is better because it has more jiggahertz". Shut up, that's not what I need. I need something more indepth. If studies on individual GPU comparison can be provided, please drop a link. I'd like to know these things very well in depth.
2: What individual GPU is currently the best? I realize the Ipad3 came out with with a graphics chip that's supposedly superior to the Xbox/PS3's (which is bogus). However I take anything Apple says with a grain of salt, they're notorious for shooting flaming BS out of their rear. However based on the little bit of searching I've done, the Adreno GPU's seem to be ahead of their time, as well as the PowerVR series seen in apple products. I previously thought the Mali 400 GPU in the Exynos chipset was one of the best, but apparently it's outdated. Again, links to tests/studies/comparisons would be appreciated.
3: What's the deal with the Tegra 3 GPU? It's a 12 core set, but it's constantly outperformed by quad core GPU's, even dual core Adreno GPU's perform better than whatever is inside the the Tegra 3, the Kal-El or whatever it's called. The Power VR's M4 gpu in the Ipad (as said as it is to say) destroys pretty much everything else out there. What's the deal.
If you're able to answer any one of these, even exclusively, that would be appreciated. I just like knowledge "

The Mali mp400 won't be used next exynos .... the nvidia is inferior due to number of instructions per core per cycle didn't change they just brought more cores...... adreno has proven middle of the road but better then tegra and powervr in the latest is the best to see the market the Mali mt series isn't in any products yet.... but I'm hopeful
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How's TI OMAP4 performance on GNex?

Guys, I don't know if it's the right section, so I'll gladly ask to a moderator to move it, if I'm wrong.
To the point, I'm about to get a new GNex to me, and every single place where I read, I always hear good things about the phone. I wanted to ask how is the day-to-day performance, gaming performance and how it performs when compared to Tegra 2 or Qualcomm S3 or S4. I know Quadrant is not an indicative of the phone's real performance, so I want your help to figure out why Quadrant results are poor compared even to Tegra 2, and if I'll feel any hiccups or something like that...
Thanks for the help!

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Guys, I don't know if it's the right section, so I'll gladly ask to a moderator to move it, if I'm wrong.
To the point, I'm about to get a new GNex to me, and every single place where I read, I always hear good things about the phone. I wanted to ask how is the day-to-day performance, gaming performance and how it performs when compared to Tegra 2 or Qualcomm S3 or S4. I know Quadrant is not an indicative of the phone's real performance, so I want your help to figure out why Quadrant results are poor compared even to Tegra 2, and if I'll feel any hiccups or something like that...
Thanks for the help!
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I haven't experienced any hiccups since the 4.1.1 update and gaming is definitely very smoothe.
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Games are smooth, and the performance is good. Overall the OMAP is adequate for the purposes.
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you get low quadrant scores on aosp/cm builds. Stock Google is also like aosp, thus lower scores.
If you really want to check, try antutu.

day-to-day performance:
Tegra 2 + Snapdragon S3: TI OMAP 4460 wipes the floor with those two.
Snapdragon S4: Best mobile "day-to-day" SOC to date, so you figure it out.

Well,
I came from an LG Optimus 2x (Tegra2 @ 1GHz, 512MB of RAM) and the change was HUGE!!!
Tegra 2 was a great graphics oriented SoC and with the Nexus I still get more performance with more pixels to render (1280x720 vs 800x480). I know that more RAM on the Nexus helps, but gaming is still great in the Nexus.
In many websites they still recommend the Galaxy Nexus from newer phones because of the value/price ratio. In fact, in Android Central, the Galaxy Nexus was still the best android phone as of July 2012 thanks to the buttery UI in Jelly Bean which makes it as fast as an S3 or a OneX. I only have a couple of weeks with the phone and I love it.
Cheers!

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day-to-day performance:
Tegra 2 + Snapdragon S3: TI OMAP 4460 wipes the floor with those two.
Snapdragon S4: Best mobile "day-to-day" SOC to date, so you figure it out.
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what you mean with that? OMAP is better or not? didn't understand it

when you wipe floor with something, that means that thing is rubbish.

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when you wipe floor with something, that means that thing is rubbish.
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so OMAP4 > S3, okay

Yes the omap is a superb chipset one of my favorites. Its more elegantly designed then some others out there. Dual channel memory is huge. Decodes 1080p video at the hardware level. Its good.

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you get low quadrant scores on aosp/cm builds. Stock Google is also like aosp, thus lower scores.
If you really want to check, try antutu.
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So, if GNex was a TouchWiz Samsung, for example, Quadrant scores would be higher? If that's true, that's a relief, because AnTuTu produces higher scores than Exynos, for instance. About JB 4.1.1, does it affect gaming performance in anyway?

Snapdragon S4 is the king of dual core.
However, OMAP 4460 is still quite the respectable processor.