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Hi guys,
I am considering getting a Desire, or possibly wait for the Supersonic to replace my HTC Magic.
Problem is, I'm not a fan of SenseUI, I would much rather run stock Android. I know you can sort of disable Sense, but that only disables the Sense homescreen, and the Sense integration goes much deeper. Plus, I don't want to have to rely on HTC updating their roms with Sense.
However seeing as most people like Sense, I fear there will not be much or any interest with devs to build Sense-less (heh) roms for the Desire.
So I was wondering if anyone could tell me how hard it is to take, for instance a Nexus One rom, and port it to a device like the Desire or Supersonic so I could do it myself? I never did any rom cooking and I have no idea how much work would be involved in it.
Any info would be greatly appreciated
if you see other android models there are versions without the sense too. so i am 100% positive there will be a stock android rom for the desire
lambrospower said:
if you see other android models there are versions without the sense too. so i am 100% positive there will be a stock android rom for the desire
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Yeah but most of those phones came without Sense to begin with I don't think there's many people running stock Android on Hero's for example right?
Anyway, I do hope you're right though
Desire and Nexus can run the same roms (apparently as they had the desire rom on the nexus in no time) so you'd be able to just flash a stock rom from the nexus forum.
You can simply turn off the sence UI. Go into applications and stop it! then when you hit home it asks you if you would like to use sence UI or standard home, hit the tick box to remeber selection and choose home. Sence UI disabled!
There is a video on youtube a2Amcaot1Us but I can't post a link!
As I already said, that only disables the SenseUI homescreen, and Sense integration goes deeper than the homescreen. And it also doesn't solve the dependence on HTC in regards to providing OS updates.
I have a Sprint Hero. There are several ROM's that use the Nexus One launcher. These do not have Sense UI on them. However, I would not try what someone posted earlier about taking a ROM from a different phone and putting it on yours. This could brick your phone and you would be screwed.
In time when someone figures out how to Root there will be ROM's that don't have Sense. The phones seem to run faster without it, but I love Sense and would not swicth to a phone that does not have it.
Hello folks,
I just sold my Touch Diamond 2 and moved to a Desire!
I liked sense on the TD2 very much, but I don't feel like sense adds something valuable to Android. I actually think it makes the phone slower. So I switched to LauncherPro which is a step ahead.
But i'm still thinking of moving to Froyo before the official release to get things really smooth. I wonder if i do this; will android still link my contacts with facebook (the picture) or is this really Sense-related? And will i be able to install sensewidgets afterall?
Also, i've been looking at the Froyo-roms here but after reading FAQ's i still remain with one question: does everything work? Because every rom has a bugfix/progress list. Should I wait till official release?
Thanks!
the contact linking to facebook is a sense thing unfortunately.
you will not be able to use the sense widgets but there are a very large variety of replacements out there on the android market, the 'pure series' to name a few (pure messenger, pure calendar etc)
the only problem there was with froyo roms was a non-working camcorder but this has just recently been fixed, everything on froyo roms are now working
the only bug some users have found is an echo when on the phone to someone, this is believed to be caused by the nexus one noise cancelling mic (as the froyo build for the desire is ported from the nexus one), there are however some work arounds and is not even that much of a problem.
hope this helps
I would wait. Thanks what I am doing. There are too many issues with the Custom 2.2 ROMS, the positives just dont out weigh the negatives.
Just my opinion.
Greetings XDA members,
I bought a desire 3 weeks ago and so far I am really satisfied with it.
After exploring this site, I learned that it is possible to load the new sense on the desire. With the camera working, it becomes even more attractive.
My question is: are the HD sense roms slower than the normal sense roms?
Because this is one thing I really want: a speedy phone (no lag when browsing menus, homescreens, etc...). Is it possible to compare a quadrant score?
I now run stock unrooted 2.2 froyo.
Thanx!
im actually experiencing WAY faster response, the original sense had some lag, the HD does not. but this is my experience.
I Switched from Modaco R9 to RCmixHD yesterday as the Camera fix came out.
My Experience ist that the HD ROM is much faster and more responsive.
Quadrant is about 1650 +-50 points.
The first boot of RCmixHD takes a very long time, but after that it runs like hell!
Yep, HD ROM is noticeably quicker than stock Sense
good ROM, stable, quick, no lag for the moment.
1st boot really long.
Yep, new-Sense seems faster to me despite all the pretty animations. Quadrant confirms this, despite the fact that I'm using the same richardtrip kernel as I was with Auraxt.
westernmg said:
I Switched from Modaco R9 to RCmixHD yesterday as the Camera fix came out.
My Experience ist that the HD ROM is much faster and more responsive.
Quadrant is about 1650 +-50 points.
The first boot of RCmixHD takes a very long time, but after that it runs like hell!
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I have the same quadrant score running aurax so thats not a score. I've been trying RCMixHD but came back to stock sense.. nothing special for now. When the new sense officially appear for desire it will be much more new custom, better roms.
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But the non-HD ROMs are all tweaked up to hell to get them quick. I get 1700+ with NO tweaks made to the ROM and on the stock kernel that it comes with. If I was to play with UVOC and the like we could be over 2000
Nice, i'll try it again if the camera fully work.
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Which way to root?
okay, thanks for the quick replies. I'm pretty sure the HD rom is better than what I have now
Second question: What is the best way to root my phone because I find dozens of methods to do it and some say it won't work on 2.2 etc?
I had 2.2 when I bought the phone.
software-number: 2.10.405.2
H-boot: 0.93
Can I use unrevoked 3.21? Or is that not possible because I already have 2.2?
Thank you again for the help!
As I remember you have to downgrade your hboot and then try unrevorked. Best and easy.
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Floris2310 said:
okay, thanks for the quick replies. I'm pretty sure the HD rom is better than what I have now
Second question: What is the best way to root my phone because I find dozens of methods to do it and some say it won't work on 2.2 etc?
I had 2.2 when I bought the phone.
software-number: 2.10.405.2
H-boot: 0.93
Can I use unrevoked 3.21? Or is that not possible because I already have 2.2?
Thank you again for the help!
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Just try Unrevoked without downgrading something, it will work
Don't forget to install the modded USB-Drivers...
You don't need to downgrade just run unrevoked and it will work.
after reading HD rom is faster than stock rom, i would love to flash it on my desire....i have a rooted desire running Leedroid 2.2f, what version of HD rom do you suggest ? also how do i back up everything except the system apps etc ? the leedroid i flashed was after i rooted my desire for the first time and i am a newbie at flashing, rooting etc
And my last question...
okay thanks, I just don't want to brick my phone. That's the reason for all my questions...
last question: Today I use HTC Sync to sync playlists with itunes and contacts and agenda with outlook. I now you have to uninstall HTC Sync to perform the rooting and flashing. But can you use it afterwards to sync all that info and media?
Thank you!
I found it is much faster since using the HD rom has anyone signed up to the htcsense.com service? Or are you leaving it incase the desire officially gets the new sense.
i think there faster then ne most sense roms. some of the HD Sense Rom´s are slowly but most of them are fast
You have to uninstall HTC Sync before rooting!
After u can reinstall it again!
Some things in the HD ROMs are definately slower (even if only some) .. for example one important thing: pulling out the notification area lags a bit if you didn't do it for a while. Might sound minor bit annoyed me after some time...
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Firstly, Quadrant and such I ignore and they mean nothing to me. Actual usage dictates.
Desire HD Sense is faster/smoother/more responsive overall. It's also more polished up in many areas. I've noticed the speed with certain apps (camera/those using camera) and the browser. I'm saying this with over 20 constantly sync'ing, chunky widgets on the screens which made the HTC Desire 2.2 Sense lag. Especially Pure Messenger.
The only semi-bug I have is network band switching causing a high amount of lag when it occurs. Pretty much everything freezes up for a few seconds at those moments while I don't get that on the typical HTC 2.2 ROM. This still may not be ROM related though.
I sincerely think anyone comfortable with stock 2.2 or a tweaked version of it will love the HD ROM once they've tried it. My experience is only with RCMixHD to make it clear.
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ive been searching for some time on the best 3.0 sense rom,my friend rooted my g2 and im TOTALLY new to this, i flash my first rom the other day "virtuous_fusion-vision_rom-v1.0.0" it has a few glitches every time i unlock the screen, not receiving some text, and lots of lag when i use the actual phone, now im using "synergy virtuous sense v3.1.0+" but the orange light comes on random and my battery is NOT good at all. i dont want to do the " DZHBOOT", i just want a rom that i put on my sd card and flash it .. thanks in advance and i promise i have done a lot of searching , but like i said im NEW to rooting.
hey,
first off: As far as I know all the native sense 3.0 or 3.5 roms for the dz/g2 need the dz hboot, this is due to the fact that the newer sense roms rely on more space available in the system partition, which the dz hboot allows for. Most (if not all) roms that do not require the dz hboot are based on a sense 2.0 rom which has been outfitted with certain apps and features from sense 3.0 roms.
One example of a sense 2 rom with additions from v3 is: Insert Coin by siulmagic. Though I haven't tried this and can't tell you know how it runs.
Should you ever feel brave enough to make the switch, here's a nice step by step guide by the virtuous team: Click me
One more thing: The orange LED turning on seemingly at random is usually due to the screen-off crt animation. Whenever you pull out the keyboard the led will light up and only turn off once you touch the status bar. This issue occurs with quite a number of roms.
Virtuous Fusion is old, and was replaced by Unity back in June. You'll see in the Fusion thread, that it ends in June. And yes, unfortunately you need the Desire Z HBoot for Unity.
The SMS issue (not receiving some messages) is common to Sense 3.0 builds (at least Fusion and Unity). Sense 3.0 launcher uses most of the phone's memory, so it interferes with the native SMS client. I use Unity and a 3rd party SMS app (Chomp SMS), and I have not had any issues with receiving texts.
Insert Coin, as recommended above, seems to be pretty popular, as it incorporates many Sense 3 features, but is a Sense 2 ROM.
You're going to be forced into using the DZ hboot at some point. The trade-off is that the Desire Z hboot allegedly allocates more memory for the system partition at the expense of less memory in the data partition, which actually works out nicely for devs as they have more to work with and have less to worry about in terms of constraints.
The missing SMS problem is caused by the Sense UI taking up a large amount of RAM (on Virtuous Unity I only have 386MB RAM with about 150MB free after killing apps and processes). Some of people running VU (like myself) use a swap partition to get around the missing SMS problem, some say its smoother whereas others have reported it as being sluggish and the only downside I can think of right now is that after a while widgets will become corrupt and AFAIK the only fixes are either disabling the swap partition or living with not having any or tons of widgets on your homescreen.
This is more to do with personal opinion but CM7.1 just felt so sluggish so I ditched it, returned to VU and haven't looked back.
Thanks so much , ok so what I was really looking for a sense rom with 3.0 add ons ill try that one and see how it turns out, i read about that hzboot but like I said I'm not familiar with all this rooting so I wanted some thing simple so if u need to return it to tmobile I could unrooted back( hopefully ill know how lol) ill try that rom out, so on that rom I need to download the older version and the new one right, install old one first and then the new one correct,? Thnks for all the help and sorry if I sound stupid. Ill learn ( hopefully lol)
Hello. I need help regarding the best ROM for my Desire Z. I need either sense 3.0 or sense 3.5 and need the best possible ram as i have already installed 4 ROMs and i have had problems with lags in messages and the lag in circle ring lock. overall homescreens as smooth but i need ram for reading msgs fast and applications launch quickly like on my default sense 2.1. i have tried runnydroid which is probably the fastest in homescreen scrolling but very weak in ram and opening apps. currently running desire HD rom with sense 3.0 v1.3 which is slightly better but i need something better in terms of RAM and with sense 3.0 or 3.5
help would be really appreciated
thanks
first of all, let's clear things out... sense 3.x was never meant to run on our desire z, i say HTC made a mistake when they released an official 3.x update
second, sense 3.x needs LOTS of ram to work. So, you don't have enough ram to run apps, solution? try the v6 supercharger script, set it as multitasking settings...
want more? make a SWAP partition on your sdcard, SWAP makes a part of your sdcard to work as ram...
want even more, you can bulletproof you messages app in order not to automatically kill it when in need of ram
i'll give you links if you want
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Riro Zizo; I'll take you up on that offer of links please!
Stick with AOSP.
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v6 supercharger script & guide: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=991276
SWAP: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1323447
Bulletproof apps: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1012330
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First of all thanks for your kind replies. Riro Zizo thanks alot for these links. Can you tell me which ROM what work the best with these? the thing is that there must be a ROM which would be better in RAM performance. like my desire HD rom was better than runnydroid at least it was usable. now what do u mean by official sense 3.0 update? my last update was android 2.3.3 with 2.1 sense which is why i installed custom roms to get newer sense. thanks a lot
and blackknightavalon what do u mean by AOSP?
thanks a lot
oh one more thing. ive heard that with swap the sdcard gets a lower life and it dies quickly after a while
Android open source project. Like CyanogenMod, for example.
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Same position as you on Desire Z and HAD to have Sense 3 - well after trying Unity and Affinity and another that wouldn't even boot and loads of crashes and mem issues I gave up. Yes I did the swap partition (for Leedroid/Ace but those never would install via CM recovery 5) didn't do the supercharger thing...but eventually went to G-Lite and really happy.
Sense is great but slow/laggy, even on Virtuous Sense or my stock rom...my OTA GB was slow too. Best to find or invest in a few apps or widgets and switch to a non Sense rom like G-Lite cos RAM is a real issue on the Z it seems (reason for rooting apart from the usual privacy/adware stuffs was speed, upset at seeing LOADING every time I opened my homescreen)
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Same position as you on Desire Z and HAD to have Sense 3 - well after trying Unity and Affinity and another that wouldn't even boot and loads of crashes and mem issues I gave up. Yes I did the swap partition (for Leedroid/Ace but those never would install via CM recovery 5) didn't do the supercharger thing...but eventually went to G-Lite and really happy.
Sense is great but slow/laggy, even on Virtuous Sense or my stock rom...my OTA GB was slow too. Best to find or invest in a few apps or widgets and switch to a non Sense rom like G-Lite cos RAM is a real issue on the Z it seems (reason for rooting apart from the usual privacy/adware stuffs was speed, upset at seeing LOADING every time I opened my homescreen)
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I agree... Sense-less ROMs are the best ones and they run the smoothest on Desire Z. I first took on CM7 and then moved to Bulletproof's MIUI which stopped me from selling my phone. However, even then the phone started to lag after a months use. Next step was to move to Elitemod244 which is basically based on CM7 but supercharged and ultra-fast. This stopped me from dumping my phone to get a Galaxy Nexus.
I would recommend that you try Elitemod244 (or the latest version if you want) and then modify it to your liking. It will take some time, but at least your phone will be fast and would work as it should instead of hanging or reloading the launcher time n time again.
thanks for your kind replies but the thing is i NEED sense 3.0 or 3.5 and i will run this desire HD rom if i dont get any other roms. ive already used cyangenmod already but i need sense. are there any roms which might be better than the desire HD rom? and im recently having an issue that i dont receive all text messages and some of these are lost in this particular rom. any way to fix this?
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thanks for your kind replies but the thing is i NEED sense 3.0 or 3.5 and i will run this desire HD rom if i dont get any other roms. ive already used cyangenmod already but i need sense. are there any roms which might be better than the desire HD rom? and im recently having an issue that i dont receive all text messages and some of these are lost in this particular rom. any way to fix this?
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In that case i would go for Virtuous Sense, doesn't have to much bullsht in it..
And for the lost messages, there is standard an app installed in these roms that collects all your messages.
Btw.. I'm surfing xda for 2 years now daily, and today is the first time i made an account Really EVERYTHING about everything has been asked before i came here, so there was no need for it.
Just wanted to say this...
you can try any sense rom you want without any issues if you do all these tweaks i told you about... launcher reloads can be solved by making a file called "local.prop" in /data/ (if you already have the file, edit it) and put this inside it
Code:
ro.HOME_APP_ADJ=1
and reboot... this WILL solve your problem, GUARANTEED
Why do you need Sense that bad? We're trying to get rid of it over on the MT4GS boards.
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thanks for your kind replies but the thing is i NEED sense 3.0 or 3.5 and i will run this desire HD rom if i dont get any other roms. ive already used cyangenmod already but i need sense. are there any roms which might be better than the desire HD rom? and im recently having an issue that i dont receive all text messages and some of these are lost in this particular rom. any way to fix this?
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Just curious, what do you need Sense for?
I was losing text messages also, but I solved that by preventing the messaging apk from being closed. It's a simple setting in Cyanogenmod, but I believe that is what Riro Zizo is talking about when they say Bulletproof an app.
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Just curious, what do you need Sense for?
I was losing text messages also, but I solved that by preventing the messaging apk from being closed. It's a simple setting in Cyanogenmod, but I believe that is what Riro Zizo is talking about when they say Bulletproof an app.
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bulletproofing apps means preventing it from getting killed... you were right
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Blackout incredible has Sense 3.6 And when I apply the v6Supercharger it works pretty fine. But remember that you need to Format your SD card before you install it. It gives you extra performance. atleast it happened to me.
I fully understand why you might want a SENSE rom.
I have tried many roms since my DZ is out of warranty, the Mimicry one was nearly the best, except it had bad performances after some weeks of usage.
And this AOSP was a android 4 rom with nice custom features, but there was a LOT i missed from SENSE. Let's just talk about the weather/clock widget, the audio player, the FM radio app, the nice interface, the perfect virtual keyboard...
Sense really offers the best user experience on that phone.
A few days ago I finally the perfect rom, you should try it: TrickDroid 4.0.0
As told in the corresponding topic on xda, you just absolutely need to enable swap because it's a full Sense 4.
And if you want some specific tweaks from AOSP, of you want to remove some things from Sense, the TrickDroid Tweaks allows you to simply do that.
TrickDroid on xda: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1981059