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Diamond running windows phone series 7

Hey guyz just check out the video running windows phone series 7 here
http://www.yourmobileblog.com/2010/03/video-of-htc-diamond-running-windows-phone-series-7/
despite its sluggishness, I feel its promising

This could just be a trick performed with remote desktop. Look:
http://www.mobiletechworld.com/2010/03/29/windows-phone-7-series-on-my-htc-hd2/
But who knows, could be the real deal

Hmm. yeah even I thought so when I got a tip off from people at HTCPedia. But this Diamond has really moved us a bit due to certain reasons which we are ofcourse going to discuss..
But I am quite hopeful that be it anything we at XDA will find a solution to it

Obviously fake, you can see where parts of the frame are drawn before others as ALWAYS happens with remote desktop. This would not happen if the phone were simply slow.

Wheezle said:
Obviously fake, you can see where parts of the frame are drawn before others as ALWAYS happens with remote desktop. This would not happen if the phone were simply slow.
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yeah, check the animation on the blue boxes.. this is not slow and laggy, that's just fake

so did everyone not read the page? it says up top what he done to get windows 7 on his phone with remote dektop.
i was kinda excited but after seeing this i can only expect to see a few more people thinking there clever and posting this as "htc XX runs wm7"
its a shame that theres people out here who are actually taking the piss out of rom cooks, they go through hours upon hours of coding to get these roms working properly and someone who has no clue makes a video pretending there of the same class as the cooks here.
pitiful. not having a dig at the person who stared this thread but the numbskull who has to much time on there hands and a crappy cam

Interest in hacking the kin

I think that we really need to build some interest in hacking this kin phone. It appears that there are very few who post but there are a lot more viewing. I decided to create this poll so that maybe we can show it to some skilled mobile hackers letting them know that this phone is not dead and has amazing potential. I encourage everyone who reads this to vote in the poll. without every single person showing interest we may never get anywhere. So don't just read this but sign up and vote. Show your support!!! Lets generate some interest. Vote now and then go spread the word.

I'm interested in seeing the phone get hacked so that all its minor annoyances can be fixed but:
1. do not have the kin twom phone (eyeing to get one)
2. suck at programming
I tend not to post because I am letting the experts (who have the phone and skills to hack the phone) post their progress and such.
I been preying/stalking former Kin phone developers out on LinkedIn as johnkussack suggested but no one has replied back to add me as a contact so that I could send them private msgs asking for their help.

Maybe if we could also start calling Microsoft/Sharp/Verizon. If we have enough interest maybe we could persuade them. Maybe one of us could just get lucky with talking to a "certain" individual who is willing to give some information out. Someone mentioned on another post that Verizon was willing to give out the rom with permission from Sharp. It might also help to remember the person you talk to so that you can call them often and develop somewhat of a "friendship". Any convincing people here?

theres actually some good progress in ideas, but no progress in actually succsesfully hacking it. We just need time.

Modestmuse said:
theres actually some good progress in ideas, but no progress in actually succsesfully hacking it. We just need time.
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Time and Information to be exact.

I would love to see this thing hacked
It has such great hardware for (now a feature phone). 8mp camera, 720p video recording, 600mhz Tegra processor, 256mb of RAM, and 8 gb of storage. Those are low-end (atleast on the processor and ram side of things) smartphone specs. If someone got android or hacked the actual Kin OS, it would be amazing. Honestly, I have to wonder if Microsoft (since they gave up on the phone) would hand over any info on it. I highly doubt it but eh you never know.

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I think this is why we dont have any serious phone hackers helping out.

http: // w w w.crunchgear. com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/Zune-HD.png
Has anyone tried this?
Hook up your kin and see if it is recognized by windows phone connector?
it can recognize zune HD so why not kin?
and if it doesnt recognize kin we could make a driver...
any thought?

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I think this is why we dont have any serious phone hackers helping out.
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If no one makes if for "fun", no one makes it for recognition, and if no one does for money, you are allowed to begin to suspect what the Kin status is.

Why would you want to hack the Kin2. this guy i work with has one. He absolutly hates it. I would have to agree with him. I tried to use it for a couple mins and gave up.

jwalts27 said:
Why would you want to hack the Kin2. this guy i work with has one. He absolutly hates it. I would have to agree with him. I tried to use it for a couple mins and gave up.
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The reason we want to hack it is because the only that sucks about it is the OS. It has great hardware and could be an excellent feature phone if it were programmed better. Just one thought, look at the how smooth the interface and touch movement is in the zune portion of the phone. It is much smoother than the actual OS. Basically, Microsoft did a poor job with the OS and so the hardware is not being utilized to its full potential. That is why we are trying to optimize it.

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The reason we want to hack it is because the only that sucks about it is the OS. It has great hardware and could be an excellent feature phone if it were programmed better. Just one thought, look at the how smooth the interface and touch movement is in the zune portion of the phone. It is much smoother than the actual OS. Basically, Microsoft did a poor job with the OS and so the hardware is not being utilized to its full potential. That is why we are trying to optimize it.
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exactly, the poor OS development ended up it not using its full processor potential, its like they had a deadline to make it, and they werent finished....

Kin Two / Kin Two"M"

Hey guys hows it going? Doin good? Great. Good news for ya
So I have a mac with the Kin Media Sync.
I also have info.plist files that "tells" the computer what do do with the phone. Hmph. I'm Achieving success so far with this phone but no work will be done til after my exams which is in two weeks. I've managed to get the phone into a "writeable" state but no leaks or how to's will be said. My reasoning is because this is my work and I will only release on how to do it if it is successful. I remember just this sunday, I got my message inbox to pop up while still using the camera. That was a surprise to me because I didn't think it was possible. I really want to get this phone hacked for my benefits as well as others. If you want part of what I'm doing and want to help since no one besides @johnkussiack is helping, then go ahead, instructions are below. I promise you guys I will get this done. This week is a no go for me because my Great Grandpa just passed away. :/
So if you guys have any comments/questions, I will be on for the remainder of the day. Since I have the data plan on my Kin, and any of you have questions, shoot an email to [email protected] and I will answer any questions or concerns you may have.
ALSO, if you are LEGIT and are going to help, I will think about sending you a file on how to do what I am doing. But as for now, programming for this week is a no-go. Sorry guys

So how much of the phone have you been able to write to or read from? Can you see the native file system, or just the Zune media area, where the music, pictures, videos, etc are stored?
On my phone, as I've pointed out before, I have the contact file from the Verizon store. It's stored on the media area, but I have been unable to retrieve it using either Windows or Mac. If you know how to pull it off, feel free to provide some information on how to do so, and I'll see if I can retrieve it so we can play with it and possibly get contacts to/from the phone.

Although i'm glad, as far as i know, info.plist files are just references for finder to know the folder/apps info easier. What explains hardware issues to mac are "kext" files.
I am interested in what you got, although i can't define an uncertain "writable" status. Things are writable or not (even if only 1 bit is written).
Anyway, there's still a week or so till my "dev" device comes to test this, so i can wait for your next one.

Forget the above, i received my packet today. New toy in my hands.. goodie goodie

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Forget the above, i received my packet today. New toy in my hands.. goodie goodie
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Awesome, man!

Like I said on facebook you need the share what your doing with users that want to hack the phone jsut as much as you do. There are plenty of people here that have some knowledge also such an Kussak that you can share with where he can help.
I like what your doing but dont disregard the help others could possibly offer when you dnont have the time. Thanks.
I love my KIN but I am tired as hell of this crappy OS we have. If we can get a new OS which the phone is already the best feature phone already. This phone could be unstoppable but the Crap OS we have now hurts it bad.

Okay John, want to team up and see what we can get out of this phone? I'm willing to take it to it's limits.

[Q] is there an app that lets you make apps on your htc evo?

I wanna learn how to make programs I have no experience but a basic know how of how stuff works. I have no clue what all that writing is that goes into making apps can somebody point me in the right direction of an explanation for each function? I wanna try to make apps!

Check out AIDE - Android Java IDE on the Google market....

dave198803 said:
I wanna learn how to make programs I have no experience but a basic know how of how stuff works. I have no clue what all that writing is that goes into making apps can somebody point me in the right direction of an explanation for each function? I wanna try to make apps!
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Yea if you don't know anything about it, you are going to need to take classes at a college or read a lot of books. It's not something we can just give you a few tips and you will be making apps in a few minutes. There's a lot involved in programming and coding for someone who knows nothing about it.

Programming code is hard work and very time consuming and its not something you can really do from your phone, you need a proper computer with window's or more preferably Linux to write code and to do it proficiently your going to need atleast 2gb ram and a 2+ ghz dual core processor, but 4+gb ram and a 3+ ghz processor would be ideal even having multiple PC's networked into each other would be the best route as compiling code takes a lot of ram and processing power and will slow your computer to almost useless while it is compiling especially larger chunks of code that need to be debugged and compressed during the compile phase
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Wait....you're telling me that I can't make an app in 15 minutes from inside my phone while waiting on my tacos to be made??? WTF guys...you guys are useless..hahahahaha

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you need a proper computer with window's or more preferably Linux to write code and to do it proficiently your going to need atleast 2gb ram and a 2+ ghz dual core processor, but 4+gb ram and a 3+ ghz processor would be ideal even having multiple PC's networked into each other would be the best route as compiling code takes a lot of ram and processing power and will slow your computer to almost useless while it is compiling especially larger chunks of code that need to be debugged and compressed during the compile phase
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It is insane that people think like this. Especially in general terms like, "Multiple PC's networked into each other".
Just about any modern pc bought in the last 4 or 5 years would be great for native or web application development. Sure more is always better. But you shouldn't discourage people by giving them ridiculous figures about ghz and ****. A decent refurb x64 laptop would work great.
You definitely do not need (even in an advanced development workflow) multiple computers networked to compile ****ty java applications. Sheesh. The biggest performance hit is going to be the android emulator (and iOS simulator if you're on a mac). If you have a cheap android, you may not really need them anyway. Even then, they will work on low memory systems. Just be prepared to hear your hard drive go to town.
Anyway, here is some real advice on getting into mobile application development...
[Let me start out by saying that your tool set becomes more important as your progress. Text editors, IDE's etc. That being said, you can get away with a lot at first, but in the end, you really need to be on linux or a mac. Now, if you've never used linux before, I don't think its a great idea to try and become familiar with a new operating system AND a new skill like programming at the same time. However, they really do go hand-in-hand. My daily routine would take me 2-3 times as long if I didn't run linux and occasionally osx. Anyway, you can do android development on windows. But if you are really committed to doing this, you will thank me later for recommending ubuntu and fedora.]
Second, if you are stuck on android, don't start with java. Therefor, don't start with android/mobile. Its always good to start off learning proper programming on a more simple scale. At least for the first few weeks if you are really committed. Python is bad ass. So is web development. Hell, if you really wanted to make mobile apps, start with mobile web apps in html5. If you learn JS and understand OOP principals, its not a huge step to start working on an html5 app. With modern frameworks, its actually quite simple. Sencha Touch, ExtJS, and Titanium are fantastic for crossing that bridge. Obviously you can't make killer 3D games that rival gameloft, but you can make some kick-ass stuff in there.
Finally, pick a simple starter project and make it. You know? Pick a simple tool that you care about or really need, and just make it yourself. Examples: A graphing tool that keeps track of something in your schedule. A little tool to log your billable hours. Etc. My first python app was a plugin for XBMC that let me burn my xbox360 games using my remote control on my tv. Simple simple simple.
I guarantee after you build something simple for youself like that, you will get hooked and be on your way.
If you can postpone being a mobile app millionaire for a little while, I really recommend (again) python. Its great for learning object oriented stuff, and with django, cherrypy, and other frameworks/tools, you would really start to understand that thinking that goes into being a programmer... MVC, etc.
This will help you no matter where you go. I hope the swearing filters don't strip this out.
http://programming-************.com/
One final AND THE MOST IMPORTANT note... When, not if but WHEN you get stuck, just go read more tutorials and documentation. Hell, read a book or a magazine. Just read ANYTHING. Reading is the most valuable tool a programmer has. Don't immediately run to forums and beg for help. That won't get you anywhere. Read read read then search search search. I cannot stress that enough. Can't find a solution to your problem? Try going back a few chapters and reading some more. That doesn't work? Search for similar problems. If that doesn't work either, try to redesign or rebuild your app in a way that just removes the source of the problem. If that fails, THEN you probably have a tough problem that people will actually want to help you fix. I promise.
College DOESN'T effing stress reading enough. That's why you see a bunch of idiot java developers coming from universities and don't know ****. I went to college for BS-ACS Chemistry. Now I do mobile application/web development. The only reason I found it so easy was because I was not scared of reading. Try it, you might like it

I'm not talking about building a simple app I'm talking about real development, real programming not making a simple 2d twitter knock off but building ROMs from source or apps compatible with multiple devices especially apps utilizing 3d graphics. It takes alot of RAM and processing power to compile that kind of data, sure ur average best buy laptop can build u a Facebook, notepad, twitter, forum Crawler app but if u build a ROM from source on it don't even think of using it for anything else during the compile. I have a box with dual quadcores clocked at 3.2ghz each and 16gb of ram and it can't keep up with all the code I run while I try to work as well hence why I have 6 PC's networked together for compiling code and 2 laptops for work
Not to mention he asked if he could do it from his phone maybe you should learn to read the OP before providing your lack of development knowledge when it comes to building anything at all from.scratch
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Exactly, he asked about making apps. Not roms.
Even if he did, you dont need to suggest such massive scale hardware to a beginner.
Further, you personally aren't networking 6 nodes to compile ****. I'm 100% on that fact. Even if you were that misguided, that's kinda lame. You can build specs using multiple threads on an i3 laptop and it builds just fine. Hell, I've played angry birds while compiling a new fedora kernel. Why would you think to suggest such crazy stuff?
You don't need to lie and/or talk up your mad development skills and 6 node development tool chain to impress me, friend. I already had a good indication of your mad skills when you suggested all of this nonsense in the first place. You obviously know what you are talking about... Anyone that has capitalized every other letter in their username, and spells concept with a K is obviously a serious dev.
Send me a request on gh and we'll compare private repos. You are such a mad skills dev that I wouldn't have anything to worry about -- you wouldn't want to steal code from a guy like me that doesn't know what I'm doing.
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You obviously don't know much about programming software from scratch using anything requiring 3d graphics why do you think cyanogen mod uses 12 core xeon 32gb ram servers to compile, I build stuff for 5 devices, epic touch, evo 4g, galaxy note, moto photon and the kindle fire and I also have to be able to do my job which requires CAD so you don't need to try and tell me what I use to write and compile code since you quite obviously have never seen my home office go troll somewhere else, and like I said the minimum he would need is a 64-bit quad core at 3+ghz and a minimum 4gb RAM to efficiently compile code and still use the computer and for it to not take 24+ hours for it to complete
I've been using this same user name across many chats and forums since 1997 u obviously have epeen issues dude
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3 or 4gb of RAM and anything that says core on it would be fine for what the dude is asking for. Get real.
As far as cyanogen goes, I would imagine he does have a boss ass rig because of how many devices they distribute.
But since you don't do any of that, its unlikely you have anything of the sort, and more likely you say outlandish **** on forums to make people think you do more than you say. You clearly don't.
... Still waiting to compare repos. I didn't get a request from you yet. It could be that you capitalize every other letter in your username and are too cool so the system didn't send it. Or you simply forgot that when you make a retarded username you need to escape those characters. You are so eViL. Or is it EvIl? I'm not good at remembering homo-erotic usernames.
I'll never understand lying in forums to impress dudes you are never going to meet in real life. I guess your mad skills need emotional support. Sorry if I set you back a few issues of vanity fair.
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First of all you don't know what I do or don't do, simply because I don't release my stuff publicly. You clearly have serious issues and I'm done with you, I have nothing to prove to you so there's no point in wasting my time, there are plenty of people on here who know what I can do and have done so your epinion means abosolutely not a damn thing to me, have a nice day and I hope you seek help for your issues you have I'm actually working so I don't have time to compare repos with people who have less posts than I have thanks, the only person here who needs to make themselves feel better about their life on the internet is yourself, I'm quite happy with my life, I have a great family a good job and a nice home to live in, I don't have to troll forums looking for ppl to compare my epeen too, you act like you're 12, "my repository is bigger than yours" seriously grow up little man
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First of all you don't know what I do or don't do, simply because I don't release my stuff publicly. You clearly have serious issues and I'm done with you, I have nothing to prove to you so there's no point in wasting my time, there are plenty of people on here who know what I can do and have done so your epinion means abosolutely not a damn thing to me, have a nice day and I hope you seek help for your issues you have I'm actually working so I don't have time to compare repos with people who have less posts than I have thanks, the only person here who needs to make themselves feel better about their life on the internet is yourself, I'm quite happy with my life, I have a great family a good job and a nice home to live in, I don't have to troll forums looking for ppl to compare my epeen too, you act like you're 12, "my repository is bigger than yours" seriously grow up little man
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Dude just do you! This dude is obviously a troll and has nothing better to do then to clown on other people to make his sorry ass life seem decent. I know what you can do and there's plenty of people that know of your skills so don't bother with this Jackass anymore! Just let him talk to himself on here and whenever he gets his refill on his lortabs, he'll calm down a bit..hahahaha

Yeah you obviously aren't letting this bother you. Being incorrect in your reasoning will do that to you.
... STILL waiting on that github request. Almost all of my repos are private too. You can still hide your directory tree from me as a collaborator. I won't hold you to the same thing. This will give you a chance to go make a bunch of fake projects to live the lie just a little bit longer... haha.
Wish I had some lortabs actually. Good call.

Like I said I'm done with you I have no need to compare anything with you, I have no one I need to impress especially not you, you're a quite disturbed individual. Why don't you flex your grip on reality and get a life, instead of internet stalking me like the loser you are. now have fun trolling the web looking for someone to try and compare yourself to to make yourself feel better about your pathetic little life, now if you'll excuse me I need to get back to work I have money to make and kids to feed, have fun with your adolescent lifestyle and pumping up your epeen
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-EViL-KoNCEPTz- said:
Like I said I'm done with you I have no need to compare anything with you, I have no one I need to impress especially not you, you're a quite disturbed individual. Why don't you flex your grip on reality and get a life, instead of internet stalking me like the loser you are. now have fun trolling the web looking for someone to try and compare yourself to to make yourself feel better about your pathetic little life, now if you'll excuse me I need to get back to work I have money to make and kids to feed, have fun with your adolescent lifestyle and pumping up your epeen
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Yeah because correcting a lying know it all and keeping him from giving bad advice to a beginner seeking real information somehow equates to stalking. Even though I haven't private messages you or talked to you in any other thread.
Especially since you are the one that got your civil union pal to help defend you.
Also you keep saying you are leaving and then YOU keep coming back. That's what happens when you lie. You have to keep pretending to keep the lie going.
I still haven't received a notification on github. The difference between you and me? I back up the **** I say. You revert to having your non-hetero friends come in here to back you up when someone calls you on your embellishment.
Let me know when you want to stop running scared. Oops. That statement alone could constitute Internet stalking to little girls that keep coming back for more... Live the lie.
Edit: hahaha I keep thinking about how stupid you sound talking about "networking" 6 computers together to compile roms that don't exist. My intern just said to me on gtalk, "I've been doing this for 6 months and even I know this guy is a nobody. Hes never messed with node arrangements because he called it 'networking'"... Hilarious.

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Yeah because correcting a lying know it all and keeping him from giving bad advice to a beginner seeking real information somehow equates to stalking. Even though I haven't private messages you or talked to you in any other thread.
Especially since you are the one that got your civil union pal to help defend you.
Also you keep saying you are leaving and then YOU keep coming back. That's what happens when you lie. You have to keep pretending to keep the lie going.
I still haven't received a notification on github. The difference between you and me? I back up the **** I say. You revert to having your non-hetero friends come in here to back you up when someone calls you on your embellishment.
Let me know when you want to stop running scared. Oops. That statement alone could constitute Internet stalking to little girls that keep coming back for more... Live the lie.
Edit: hahaha I keep thinking about how stupid you sound talking about "networking" 6 computers together to compile roms that don't exist. My intern just said to me on gtalk, "I've been doing this for 6 months and even I know this guy is a nobody. Hes never messed with node arrangements because he called it 'networking'"... Hilarious.
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Bro really...while I can see that you have some basic knowledge and prob decent programming skill...you coming in here being a little douche proves nothing. You personally attacking someone else for a user name really really are you that pathetic and have to sink that low cause you have nothing else better to do.
Yeah I personally know evil and know his set up and exactly what he can do. He has helped me with app development and my script work here as well. I've worked with him doing rom development. I also have compiled aosp from source and anyone who has knows its a long ass process and can take up to 24 hours to compile and will fail if your system specs are to low which a basic refurbished older computer could not handle. I know that ics took my 6 core forever and even then I ended up dumping it.
Here's a thought if you want to attack someone then try me. You won't hurt my feeling but you will make yourself look like a bigger ass.
I could care less what you know and what you've done. You don't show up on this forum being a douche and not get called out for it.
Oh and before you ask I have no desire to compare my gh to yours so don't bother asking.

Papa Smurf151 said:
Bro really...while I can see that you have some basic knowledge and prob decent programming skill...you coming in here being a little douche proves nothing. You personally attacking someone else for a user name really really are you that pathetic and have to sink that low cause you have nothing else better to do.
Yeah I personally know evil and know his set up and exactly what he can do. He has helped me with app development and my script work here as well. I've worked with him doing rom development. I also have compiled aosp from source and anyone who has knows its a long ass process and can take up to 24 hours to compile and will fail if your system specs are to low which a basic refurbished older computer could not handle. I know that ics took my 6 core forever and even then I ended up dumping it.
Here's a thought if you want to attack someone then try me. You won't hurt my feeling but you will make yourself look like a bigger ass.
I could care less what you know and what you've done. You don't show up on this forum being a douche and not get called out for it.
Oh and before you ask I have no desire to compare my gh to yours so don't bother asking.
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Why would I want to do any of that to you? You didn't give out elitist/false information to a guy who is just at the beginning of, maybe, learning to code. Nor did you claim some incorrect minimum system specs that google doesn't even back up (http://developer.android.com/sdk/requirements.html).
You can easily tell the people who know enough to be dangerous, and know enough to try and mislead others. And I'm sorry, but people who do the EvErY oThEr CaP lEtTeR in a misspelled username obviously picked up their technical knowledge from this movie:
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So no, I wouldn't start something with you for no reason. And I especially didn't "show up" in this forum trying to be a dbag to anyone that would listen. Just the ones that spew bull****.

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Why would I want to do any of that to you? You didn't give out elitist/false information to a guy who is just at the beginning of, maybe, learning to code. Nor did you claim some incorrect minimum system specs that google doesn't even back up (http://developer.android.com/sdk/requirements.html).
You can easily tell the people who know enough to be dangerous, and know enough to try and mislead others. And I'm sorry, but people who do the EvErY oThEr CaP lEtTeR in a misspelled username obviously picked up their technical knowledge from this movie:
So no, I wouldn't start something with you for no reason. And I especially didn't "show up" in this forum trying to be a dbag to anyone that would listen. Just the ones that spew bull****.
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Lol I actually really like that movie. And as far as user names go I could care less. I mean look at name. Its a cartoon character for the 80's. I don't see u talking **** bout that. Also android sdk isn't what takes forever to use or compile. Its actually pulling the aosp code from google which for ics is huge and then compiling it and debugging it and pulling the correct drivers for your device. Believe me it takes forever. Most guys when ics first hit had a really hard time with their beasts of a system. Some said u needed more that 8 cores and 16 gb of ram to even start and even then it was slow. I happen to agree with that after trying myself.
Now when it comes to mobile app development that can be done on a laptop. I'm used a dual core 4 gb 3 yr old gateway laptop for my stuff and eclipse and other programs work OK but for serious work u need heavy duty hardware. Also there is a difference between a node and networking. You can hook up a chain of computers within the same room to use as a build bot and that's exactly what cynagen does with his stuff except they arnt using little beast computers they r using massive server towers.
Anyways all I'm saying is that with the small amount of time you've posted on this forum its not a good idea to start issues and fight with a senior member. Not only does it not get you anywhere but it gives u a bad name and makes other member see u as a negative influence around here

BenRivera said:
Check out AIDE - Android Java IDE on the Google market....
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This is exactly what I was talking about! Thanks man, all I have to do now is figure out how to build apps. Thanks man +rep

flexgrip said:
It is insane that people think like this. Especially in general terms like, "Multiple PC's networked into each other".
Just about any modern pc bought in the last 4 or 5 years would be great for native or web application development. Sure more is always better. But you shouldn't discourage people by giving them ridiculous figures about ghz and ****. A decent refurb x64 laptop would work great.
You definitely do not need (even in an advanced development workflow) multiple computers networked to compile ****ty java applications. Sheesh. The biggest performance hit is going to be the android emulator (and iOS simulator if you're on a mac). If you have a cheap android, you may not really need them anyway. Even then, they will work on low memory systems. Just be prepared to hear your hard drive go to town.
Anyway, here is some real advice on getting into mobile application development...
[Let me start out by saying that your tool set becomes more important as your progress. Text editors, IDE's etc. That being said, you can get away with a lot at first, but in the end, you really need to be on linux or a mac. Now, if you've never used linux before, I don't think its a great idea to try and become familiar with a new operating system AND a new skill like programming at the same time. However, they really do go hand-in-hand. My daily routine would take me 2-3 times as long if I didn't run linux and occasionally osx. Anyway, you can do android development on windows. But if you are really committed to doing this, you will thank me later for recommending ubuntu and fedora.]
Second, if you are stuck on android, don't start with java. Therefor, don't start with android/mobile. Its always good to start off learning proper programming on a more simple scale. At least for the first few weeks if you are really committed. Python is bad ass. So is web development. Hell, if you really wanted to make mobile apps, start with mobile web apps in html5. If you learn JS and understand OOP principals, its not a huge step to start working on an html5 app. With modern frameworks, its actually quite simple. Sencha Touch, ExtJS, and Titanium are fantastic for crossing that bridge. Obviously you can't make killer 3D games that rival gameloft, but you can make some kick-ass stuff in there.
Finally, pick a simple starter project and make it. You know? Pick a simple tool that you care about or really need, and just make it yourself. Examples: A graphing tool that keeps track of something in your schedule. A little tool to log your billable hours. Etc. My first python app was a plugin for XBMC that let me burn my xbox360 games using my remote control on my tv. Simple simple simple.
I guarantee after you build something simple for youself like that, you will get hooked and be on your way.
If you can postpone being a mobile app millionaire for a little while, I really recommend (again) python. Its great for learning object oriented stuff, and with django, cherrypy, and other frameworks/tools, you would really start to understand that thinking that goes into being a programmer... MVC, etc.
This will help you no matter where you go. I hope the swearing filters don't strip this out.
http://programming-************.com/
One final AND THE MOST IMPORTANT note... When, not if but WHEN you get stuck, just go read more tutorials and documentation. Hell, read a book or a magazine. Just read ANYTHING. Reading is the most valuable tool a programmer has. Don't immediately run to forums and beg for help. That won't get you anywhere. Read read read then search search search. I cannot stress that enough. Can't find a solution to your problem? Try going back a few chapters and reading some more. That doesn't work? Search for similar problems. If that doesn't work either, try to redesign or rebuild your app in a way that just removes the source of the problem. If that fails, THEN you probably have a tough problem that people will actually want to help you fix. I promise.
College DOESN'T effing stress reading enough. That's why you see a bunch of idiot java developers coming from universities and don't know ****. I went to college for BS-ACS Chemistry. Now I do mobile application/web development. The only reason I found it so easy was because I was not scared of reading. Try it, you might like it
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This was a well thought out post, and a great read. Thank you for putting an effort towards helping me. Lol its gonna take me about a week to pick through all this knowledge, but I will put it to good use. Thank you.

Please bring back the old style somewhere like "old.forum.xda-developers.com"

Like many of us, I'm not a big fan of these recent dramatic changes. At least make an option for us to still use the older one like Reddit does.

rms112 said:
Like many of us, I'm not a big fan of these recent dramatic changes. At least make an option for us to still use the older one like Reddit does.
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Tbh I don't think this is possible, because xda has undergone such an overhaul, even the thank meter system and the title system has been changed. Having the older version would mean to recreate it so it embraces all the new stuff here, it could happen but that's very unlikely since it's hard work, and the vast majority of the members actually like this revamped version. Give it a day or two and I think you'll get used to it

This is not going to be possible, but we do have a classic theme if you want an older look.

Yeh, need to move forward into the unknown!
The Classic theme helps....

Aw goly, not liking this new site.
Particularly don't like that the most recent threads under their respective sections can't be seen.
If this could be brought back it would be appreciated.

There is no more "old way" anymore, they migrated and moved all the content from the old site to the new site so as far as I am aware, the "old" site is gone. I personally don't like it yet, but with anything new, comes change, and time to get used to it. I am sure in time we will all have a better experience once they finish the migrations and we all get used to it.

I also noticed I cant edit the posts yet (or I cant find a way to do it) in the new system, so I hope its a bug that gets fixed because I make numerous grammar issues the first round (trying to get the info out of my brain tends to be funky the first round), then I clean it up but only when I can edit my post. This could simply be a user error, or possibly an ID10T error.

The amount of work it would take to maintain two completely separate codebases wouldn't be worth the hassle at all.
As for "like Reddit does":
They are owned by a massive company, they can afford to maintain the old site for at least a bit while they build the newer site out. XDA doesn't have the manpower or server power to do that.
It's only temporary, Reddit isn't gonna keep the old site around forever. Just like YouTube, Twitter, and Facebook when they did massive redesigns a couple years ago, the old site eventually shut down once they migrated 90-100% of the functionality over.

bgiesing said:
The amount of work it would take to maintain two completely separate codebases wouldn't be worth the hassle at all.
As for "like Reddit does":
They are owned by a massive company, they can afford to maintain the old site for at least a bit while they build the newer site out. XDA doesn't have the manpower or server power to do that.
It's only temporary, Reddit isn't gonna keep the old site around forever. Just like YouTube, Twitter, and Facebook when they did massive redesigns a couple years ago, the old site eventually shut down once they migrated 90-100% of the functionality over.
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Yeah I get that small team etc. But no one does an overnight overhaul with half of the features missing/not working. Even mobile app stopped working including the official app. That is very unprofessional. Most sane people would have them both side by side, for sometime, while fixing bugs on the new site and new app. This way users can still have a nice user experience, while getting familiar with newer website transition.
But, well what can I say, XDA is not my company. They can do whatever the heck they want.

bitpushr said:
This is not going to be possible, but we do have a classic theme if you want an older look.
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On individual forum it's not displaying the lastest post info on the main page forcing you to open each section. The global new posts section works fine.
Doesn't display the user stats on the poster's post as before; more blank, unused dead space.
The "thanks" is all goofed up.
Rather have a smart complicated gf than a pretty dumb one... as their beauty rapidly fades as you get to know them.

Im fine with the overhaul but come on, where are the files attachments on other posts? where are the links? if you will left those, then better shut down this BS forum.

rms112 said:
Yeah I get that small team etc. But no one does an overnight overhaul with half of the features missing/not working. Even mobile app stopped working including the official app. That is very unprofessional. Most sane people would have them both side by side, for sometime, while fixing bugs on the new site and new app. This way users can still have a nice user experience, while getting familiar with newer website transition.
But, well what can I say, XDA is not my company. They can do whatever the heck they want.
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You should know that you are only seeing the tip of the iceberg. This change didn't happen overnight. There was a significant userbase testing the new XenoForo interface for months prior to release so they did exist side by side. Thing is, a testing environment is never the same as the real deal so at the official launch so of course some quirks came up. If anything, you can say they have been working in a very professional manner to work those out. In the first 24 hours after releasing most major issues were already resolved. The biggest one right now is probably still some posts/threads missing. Change is never easy
infinitylook said:
Im fine with the overhaul but come on, where are the files attachments on other posts? where are the links? if you will left those, then better shut down this BS forum.
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The changes were announced a long time ago and the announcement was highlighted on top of every section of every subforum. Which are you missing anyway? I see my attachments (like this one) are still present. Mind that the migration is still not 100% complete yet.
Oh and if anyone is still feeling a bit homesick, remember that the web's archive is there for you! *CLICK!*