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WM7 on Evo

At the risk of being stoned to death before being shot and hanged while being burned at the stake:
Is anyone working on getting WM7 ported to the Evo?​
I, for one, like the Evo for it's processor, front facing camera, powerful rear camera, 4G connectivity and giant screen.
I don't know android at all yet (and I have nothing against it at all) but I like to keep my options open.
Just to be 100% clear - I am not saying Windows Phone 7 is superior to Android, nor am I asking which one you think is superior or for your evaluations of either OS and their strengths and weaknesses.

That's what the HD2 is for.
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That's what the HD2 is for.
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How does the HD2 help you if you are a Sprint customer (as all Evo owners are)?

bobjase said:
How does the HD2 help you if you are a Sprint customer (as all Evo owners are)?
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That's what tmobile is for

Hell no. Wait for the Mondrian or the several other devices being released with WM7 by companies like HTC and Dell if you want a device like this running that OS. The Evo is an Android phone, and Windows Phone 7 isn't free, open sourced software. Phone manufacturers have to pay for each copy of the software they put on each device, so there's little to no chance of getting it on this phone.

Supposedly the new WP7 HTC phone will have a 1.3Ghz processor. Windows takes up too many resources and the UI is hideous. I can't believe people give it so much praise and we don't even have a working model. The ONLY good thing about WP7 is the xbox live part but we don't even know what that's going to be about. I personally think the UI is hideous.

gqstatus0685 said:
Supposedly the new WP7 HTC phone will have a 1.3Ghz processor. Windows takes up too many resources and the UI is hideous. I can't believe people give it so much praise and we don't even have a working model. The ONLY good thing about WP7 is the xbox live part but we don't even know what that's going to be about. I personally think the UI is hideous.
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I guess you're not a big fan of Scrabble, then?
In all seriousness though, it's a shame they're giving up functionality for aesthetic appeal. What's the point in rearranging artfully arranged sliding squares when I can simply set icons and widgets anywhere on one of my 49 customizable home screens?

It's hideous. Another turn off is that the text in the squares is cut off. I don't want to see CONTAC instead of contacts. I think it's going to fail.

gqstatus0685 said:
It's hideous. Another turn off is that the text in the squares is cut off. I don't want to see CONTAC instead of contacts. I think it's going to fail.
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You don't like cut off words? That's impossible! How could you not like cut off phra-

I think this poll needs an additional "There's a D&D Android app?!" option.

I honestly like the way WM7 looks. The squares work very nicely together, and the way words run past the edges of the screen give it an artistic feel. Anyone familiar with the concepts of graphic design will appreciate the GUI.
The XBL add-on is the major reason I'm excited, I just think it'll be an awesome feature, however they implement it. I'm hoping it'll show which of your friends is online, what games they're playing, and access to your achievements. At the very least
As for being on this phone... it might be neat, but I'd rather get a device designed for WM7. Or flash the HD2.

I just saw the tags on this topic. Lawl.

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You don't like cut off words? That's impossible! How could you not like cut off phra-
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ROFL!!

WM7 is a giant step back in many ways with it's artsy fartsy ui. I'm not sure why they are going this route. It reminds me a little of the pre, all this focus on look zero time spent on function. It's like they are trying to further dumb down the iphone which any 5 year old can use and I'm not sure they are going to impress either crowd.
Xbox live sounds cool until i look at the form factors and realize these are not gaming devices. I may just pick up the rumored psp phone, especially if it runs android or another non totally retarded os simply because at least that is a mobile device I'd enjoy playing games on as it has the proper hardware.

bobjase said:
at the risk of being stoned to death before being shot and hanged while being burned at the stake:
is anyone working on getting wm7 ported to the evo?​
i, for one, like the evo for it's processor, front facing camera, powerful rear camera, 4g connectivity and giant screen.
I don't know android at all yet (and i have nothing against it at all) but i like to keep my options open.
Just to be 100% clear - i am not saying windows phone 7 is superior to android, nor am i asking which one you think is superior or for your evaluations of either os and their strengths and weaknesses.
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no no no no

Aridon said:
WM7 is a giant step back in many ways with it's artsy fartsy ui. I'm not sure why they are going this route. It reminds me a little of the pre, all this focus on look zero time spent on function. It's like they are trying to further dumb down the iphone which any 5 year old can use and I'm not sure they are going to impress either crowd.
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I played a little with a UI theme designed around what's been seen so far, and (at least the theme) it worked pretty well. Contacts slid smoothly, Zune-like, into the screen displaying your contacts, complete with assigned pictures. Of course, it's only assumed that it'll use Zune-esque menus. Either way, I enjoyed the aesthetics and the touch-friendly interface. WM for years has been a highly touchy UI, so it's about time it's moved into a world that has less tolerance for styli. If it continues with something even close to the level of utility WM has now, I'll be a happy man. We'll see how it works on release, I don't really want to praise something I only kind of know about.
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Xbox live sounds cool until i look at the form factors and realize these are not gaming devices. I may just pick up the rumored psp phone, especially if it runs android or another non totally retarded os simply because at least that is a mobile device I'd enjoy playing games on as it has the proper hardware.
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I don't think they're meant to give you the gaming side of XBL, but rather the informational side. I know I like just looking through my friend's list and comparing their played games and achievements to mine, and that's probably all they'll have. I'm sure if mobile gaming kicks off they'll offer Marketplace games for Mobile, later down the road, for phones made with that in mind.

every word i have heard is that the hd2 is not going to be wm7, at any point in time. as i understand it, the hardware architecture is simply incompatible. likewise with any device produced thus far (except the kin, i think, and it's close relative). the best you would get on the hd2 is a type of look-alike port, but without the same functionality.
although, i'm not sure why one would take a perfectly good OS like android and put wm7 on it, other than maybe just to give it a whirl, lol. that being said, i suspect that the architecture on the evo will probably have the same limitation as the hd2.

WM 6.5.x was the pinnacle of WinMo... It had so much potential. WM7 killed it. now its just an webOS/iphone OS... it sucks. WinMo is dead to me. :'(

Of course I'd like to see a port. Now whether or not I will actually use it for anything more than showing off will depend on how good wp7 is and the port... but the more options the better imo

Wm7 on Evo
I have read that a guy found a way to launch either android or windows mobile 3.1 using dos box on an android phone. What about WM7 i don't know. I think on this forum people could accept that there are guys who like android OS and those who like WM7 OS. I personnally would love to have a HTC EVO 4G phone running both OS system . Having that 4G phone running WM7 would be nice for me because there are some ppc softwares that i don't find on android and that can be only run on a Windows mobile 7 phone!! I had the Nexus one and the HTC HD2 and i already sold them. I'd found really amazing to get an EVO 4G running WM7 'cause it would be an exploit and i sure i'm not the only one who want to see that. Plus the HTC EVO 4G will have 8 megapixells compare to the Mondrian and the HD2, the Winmax (4G) and seems much nicer!!! Let's sign a petition of who wish to see that or not and we shall see!!!!

Oh, this is where the android fanboys went...

Wow, I've been reading through this forum after receiving my second WP7 device. I was an avid android user and built my own custom roms on there and never once did I come across one thing (despite people like Cyanogenmod who do amazing things) that ever came close to comparing the feel and the general UI of windows phone 7. Yes, android is great in the gaming department and being able to get ANY app free was nice but that novelty wears off and then what do you have except an ugly UI that's laggy and overdone. The multiple launchers were not a bad thing either, too bad almost all of them seemed like distros of eachother with one or two extra features. The best one I stumbled across was windows phone android which was a slow boring cheap imitation of the windows phone 7 metro UI. Ladies and gentlemen, we give you the best android can do. Really, should you base an entire UI on the fact that the game developers have invested more into android in 2 years than they have in WP7 in 3 months? We've progressed exponentially faster than android in these 3 months and are continuing to snowball. Oh, but you cant copy and paste or use your phone as a USB drive? Well, who needs to, I don't use my phone as a thumb drive, I have an 8 dollar flash drive for that. I use it as a multimedia device with live streaming video, slacker radio, and zune player, I use it as a camera with a quick draw camera that can go from locked to camera mode in the time it takes to pull it from your pocket. I use it as a web browsing device with a browser that despite the lack of flash has already functioned on more websites than androids ever did for me. I use it for gaming, seamless gaming, we may not have the quantity of games yet but I've always been a firm believer in quality over quantity. And most of all I use it as a phone, beautiful dialer, clear sound, and no hanging up with my face. I'm sorry that I dont have to use my phone as a disk drive, I dont find it necessary to put a new rom on my phone every 30 minutes just to get my phone fully functional. I have no need for it when I can just copy my multimedia files over. Copy and paste on a phone? Really how lazy are you... I mean seriously it's not hard to type and if you're handling word documents on your phone then let me introduce you to a laptop, it's portable and you dont have to look like a douchebag for typing on it for long periods of time. I do not get the hostility towards WP7 users aside from the fact that we are an obvious threat to that niche android has carved itself amongst the low-end device world. Android was great as a low-end device but I wanted to move on up to something a little more adult.

To argue windows phone 7 as a more adult platform is stupidity. Furthermore, to argue android as a low-end device is retarded. Android is an operating system, not a device. Diving even further into the matter, calling an open source platform anything short of amazing in today's society would be an understatment. To bash the flow of custom roms present on android is to say you don't expect more out of belittled hardware your holding in your very hands. Your saying having the same old ui on every windows phone 7 device you hold isn't a waste of perfectly capable hardware? You also argue android phones are limited to flashing custom roms to get the most out of your phone. Hmm..I know plenty of satisfied people, including my own mother, who are perfectly happy with their android phone stock. Bashing custom roms like they're a bad thing is destroying the foundation xda devlopers is even built on, it's heart and soul. We get it your happy with your purchase, cool. Move on with life no need to share your opinion on an openminded forum filled with trolls and geeks willing to dispute their case over and over and over. In all seriousness the Zune HD interface was mind-blowing, a phone based on that, again amazing. The thing that drags most every amazing ui and platform down is it not being open.
You also admitted to pirating apps in writing, and bashed custom roms you created? Hm..

bubby323 said:
To argue windows phone 7 as a more adult platform is stupidity. Furthermore, to argue android as a low-end device is retarded. Android is an operating system, not a device.
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more developed as a platform? No. More appealing to an adult user who doesnt spend most of their time... well... here. Absolutely, no doubt.

z33dev33l said:
more developed as a platform? No. More appealing to an adult user who doesnt spend most of their time... well... here. Absolutely, no doubt.
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Lol. I kind of agree with this.
Android looks like a God among platforms on a website trolled and perused by geeks and hackers.
It looks pretty rough out in the real world, though...

N8ter said:
Lol. I kind of agree with this.
Android looks like a God among platforms on a website trolled and perused by geeks and hackers.
It looks pretty rough out in the real world, though...
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Thanks for your input, as a once vibrant user I do apologize for any loss of sanity that may occur. The galaxy S series is just garish to anyone who really USES their phone as something more than a phone.

I'm looking at other phones to get rid of this one at the moment.
I'm even considering a Blackberry Bold 9780, that's how terrible my experience with this phone is.
After CES if nothing spectacular is coming out I'll open another line and then sell this one to ETF the other line, but keep my current SIM card (changing phone numbers yet again... will anger many people I know ).
I'm keeping up on WP7 because I like that they double up as Zune HDs. Unfortunately I don't think the devices out right now really scratch my itch.
My coworkers all hate me for getting Android phones banned on our Exchange server after I lost my first Vibrant and IT found out they didn't support Remote Wipe :<

Yeah, I was fortunate enough to find a guy who was looking for a behold 2 for his HD7... I dont really understand why anyone in the world would want the behold 2 but I had an extra one laying around that I'd never even powered on so I figured why not... I will never turn back.

z33dev33l said:
Yeah, I was fortunate enough to find a guy who was looking for a behold 2 for his HD7... I dont really understand why anyone in the world would want the behold 2 but I had an extra one laying around that I'd never even powered on so I figured why not... I will never turn back.
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Hrm, maybe I'll try to strike a deal on Craigslist or something. I have an extra HD2 lying around I can probably score a deal on, especially with the Android NAND project delivering a functional ROM for that phone... I've never tried Android on that phone, but I guess it's pretty popular these days (especially since the last week ro so)!

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The galaxy S series is just garish to anyone who really USES their phone as something more than a phone.
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Couldn't disagree more. From an everyday use point of view the galaxy s beats wp7 hands down. My wife disagrees of course - she loves her Optimus 7 (save for the lack of turn by turn nav). Point is everyone has different expectations from there phone.
Surely a "grown up" wp7 user like yourself can understand that .
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z33dev33l said:
more developed as a platform? No. More appealing to an adult user who doesnt spend most of their time... well... here. Absolutely, no doubt.
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Are there a lot of adults out there who feel the need to carry their Xbox avatars in their pockets?
Because according to Microsoft's own ad campaign, playing Xbox games without getting in trouble is the "best" part of the phone.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1RvPQHZDOs
How adult.

@Radeon, I completely agree on the part where each of us have different needs, my comment was more directed at the hostility surrounding our forum by android users. If I wanted to attack an OS without reason I'd hit iphone.
@Greenbird, I've stated time and time again that Microsofts ad-campaign managers need to be taken out back and bludgeoned to death with iphones (so that garbage can get some kind of use) My original impression of the HD7 thanks to them was, "Oh joy, It's a 4.3 inch screen and 1 gHz processor that is meant to be taken out of my pocket for about 5 seconds to swipe and check my updates then go. It seemed completely impractical. They undersell the UI in every ad and it's completely nonsensical. I do enjoy the occasional game of fruit ninja but I can honestly say this is the only phone ive had since before Windows mobile 2003 that I didnt feel it was necessary for me to install third party apps to make the phone great.

You successfully brought the Android fanboys out... by insulting their beloved OS. I did love Android... but I'd take WP7's smootheness and ease of use over Android any day. I like that I have half my life back. Android and WinMo were exhausting all of my time. MS's ad campaign is right... I have more time with my WP7 now for... well... life.

thesecondsfade said:
You successfully brought the Android fanboys out... by insulting their beloved OS. I did love Android... but I'd take WP7's smootheness and ease of use over Android any day. I like that I have half my life back. Android and WinMo were exhausting all of my time. MS's ad campaign is right... I have more time with my WP7 now for... well... life.
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LMAO, seriously. These kiddies came flying out of the gates to defend their beloved wack OS.

thesecondsfade said:
I have more time with my WP7 now for... well... life.
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LOL. That's because all you can do with your beloved Windoze Phone is listen to Zune and twiddle your thumbs while waiting for all those phantom updates that you hope will drag your OS out of 2007.

greenbrd said:
LOL. That's because all you can do with your beloved Windoze Phone is listen to Zune and twiddle your thumbs while waiting for all those phantom updates that you hope will drag your OS out of 2007.
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nah, more like we don't have to tweak and cook roms just to make our phones work "ok" much less at an optimized pace like WP7 phones operate at. If I still want to tweak I have my WM6.5 device. But no thanks, finally found a phone that WORKS. ;-)

eternalemb said:
finally found a phone that WORKS. ;-)
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But what does it do? Zune, Xbox, email, and Facebook?
Wow. Where do I sign up?

Everyone has their own expectation for their daily use phone. Some only want to use the phone to make calls and SMS, some might use the phone to its full potential like email, surf, social networking and even games.
But there is an important fact that we need to aware of, there are phone savvy users and "idiot" users. A savvy user will expect more from their daily used phone and they will never satisfy with the performance of the phone. A very good example, i have both Galaxy S and Omnia 7. The problem is i am always looking forward in flashing new ROMs for my Galaxy S in order to achieve better performance. I would say its a never ending story until nobody releases new ROMs. For non savvy user, they will never know what's good or bad, as long as they can make calls and SMS, they will be satisfied. Most importantly, a 70 year old user is also able to adapt to the phone easily.
Therefore, i would say MS has done a good job in WP7, a very solid platform. No whatsoever performance issue. Hence its definitely a very powerful platform catering to non savvy user.

It has nothing to do with being tech savvy or not. I mean read your statement. You flash roms to improve your performance and yet you say wp7 has no performance issues. Androids success relies solely on its developers because there is nothing pleasant about the UI or social integration. The market is the only thing that sales Android. The os itself is a letdown at best.

greenbrd said:
But what does it do? Zune, Xbox, email, and Facebook?
Wow. Where do I sign up?
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And Android does what? Pirated apps, Wifi hotspot and plenty of lags and crashes? I'm duly impressed.

z33dev33l said:
It has nothing to do with being tech savvy or not. I mean read your statement. You flash roms to improve your performance and yet you say wp7 has no performance issues. Androids success relies solely on its developers because there is nothing pleasant about the UI or social integration. The market is the only thing that sales Android. The os itself is a letdown at best.
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+1. The dev. support that Android has it what makes it MUCH better than it is in stock form. WM6 has more capabilities than Android, just less developer support and worse advertising. Android phones got great hype from Verizon (the Droids) and T-Mobile, so that's where it won half the battle; by getting people excited for it. And yet WM6.5 devices can still own Android devices in every way possible. Does the general public know this? Nope...they just buy what they're told like the sheep they are.

[Q] Developing on a mac?

Hey everyone,
I'd like to pitch in and start developing on WP7, thanks to my new LG Optimus 7. I have a working knowledge of C# and have earlier developed on WP6.5...
Unfortunately though.. the only computers I have on my disposal are Macs... Anyone have any luck developing for WP7 on them? All the tools I found don't seem to have open-source/Mac alternatives.
Please don't suggest a VM.. its too slow... Boot Camp is a pain (have other issues with Apple on that one!)
Thanks for your help..
CUGWMUI

Get a cheap Dell, put it on your LAN and remote desktop into it.

Or make your first goal a port of Microsoft's dev tools for Mac.

Ok, I hate macs with every fiber of my being and wouldnt use one if my choices were using a Mac or watching my legs go through a wood chipper but cant you just emulate the silverlight tools.... or I also heard macs can dual boot windows so you could use a good OS.

z33dev33l said:
Ok, I hate macs with every fiber of my being and wouldnt use one if my choices were using a Mac or watching my legs go through a wood chipper but cant you just emulate the silverlight tools.... or I also heard macs can dual boot windows so you could use a good OS.
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windows a good OS, haha good one.

indiekiduk said:
windows a good OS, haha good one.
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Well, Linux is good, windows is functional, mac is.... diarrhea being orchestrated by a nazi

z33dev33l said:
Well, Linux is good, windows is functional, mac is.... diarrhea being orchestrated by a nazi
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ok I'll bite...
linux is unusable, however some people enjoy spending their days on forums looking up any number of random things from trying to make your cpu fan speed scale to getting your wifi card to work. That's for home use, as a server in a data centre in a pre-configured setup it's ideal.
Windows hasn't changed fundamentally since NT, even on 7 you still can't move a file while in use, sometimes you can't delete a file because it mistakenly *thinks* its in use, PCs are noisy and innefficient when running that OS. Stuff is just harder and more awkard to do, e.g. checking your IP address is over 7 clicks, if you make it that far and don't get confused by all the weird pictures of routers and globes. Even on 7 you need to resort to running cmd to do simple tasks that are a couple of clicks at most on every other OS.
With macs it comes down to the fact you can work quicker on it, there are less problems, the frameworks and dev tools are well designed, used by Apple themselves, so you can write apps faster, and make more money, and less frustrations along the way, leading to an overall less stressful more successful life. But I'm not going to argue with you, some people enjoy pain and just live unlucky lives, making bad decisions. All very strange to me...

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linux is unusable, however some people enjoy spending their days on forums looking up any number of random things from trying to make your cpu fan speed scale to getting your wifi card to work. That's for home use, as a server in a data centre in a pre-configured setup it's ideal.
Windows hasn't changed fundamentally since NT, even on 7 you still can't move a file while in use, sometimes you can't delete a file because it mistakenly *thinks* its in use, PCs are noisy and innefficient when running that OS. Stuff is just harder and more awkard to do, e.g. checking your IP address is over 7 clicks, if you make it that far and don't get confused by all the weird pictures of routers and globes. Even on 7 you need to resort to running cmd to do simple tasks that are a couple of clicks at most on every other OS.
With macs it comes down to the fact you can work quicker on it, there are less problems, the frameworks and dev tools are well designed, used by Apple themselves, so you can write apps faster, and make more money, and less frustrations along the way, leading to an overall less stressful more successful life. But I'm not going to argue with you, some people enjoy pain and just live unlucky lives, making bad decisions. All very strange to me...
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Yes, we enjoy making bad decisions. We love knowing that if our webcam breaks we have to send the whole computer in or buy a new one. We also love the fact that our market share is ridiculously low because we offer no form of freedom. I have multiple phones with more gaming capability as well as functionality as a mac. Their are less problems because who wants to create "problems" for a 6 percent market share when they can clear 90 percent with their "buy our antivirus to fix our virus" crap. All mac has going for it is the fact that they "just work." Well, I built a PC more than 2 times more powerful than any Mac I've seen and it works fine for a much lower cost. If I were incompetent and planned on opening emails that congratulated me for winning 100,000 dollars and all I had to do was download the sign-up form then yeah, I'd use a mac. For now I like gaming, the cloud, applications that are worth anything being designed for my computer, freedom, being able to repair it myself, and not having to bend over for that nazi Steve Jobs.

If your webcam breaks you take it to a store which fixes it for free in a couple of days for 3 years, and if it isn't fixed to your satisfaction you get a brand new laptop, the latest model even if yours is years old, and its all taken care of by a hot girl. Yeh most people would totally rather spend their time instead under the desk with a screwdriver or surfing newegg comparing specs and benchmarks of harddrives that copy an extra 0.5MB/s faster. I totally understand your point there...

yes because people go to the apple store for the hot chicks, yeah, thats the case. Then they go without a computer for 3-5 days all to get a webcam repaired. Then they go back home and enjoy adding effects to photos.... seeing as how thats about the most amusing thing a Mac can do without emulating windows files.

Looks like no-one has the answer.
You need Visual Studio at the moment (AFAIK) and that only runs on Windows OS's.
Sorry.
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Dave

android (streak) to wp7 (hd7)

it happened a week ago.
i loved the 5 inch real estate on the streak but the buggy android and a constant zeal to make it functional made me realise that i was spending too much time reading online guides/how to's/tips n tricks. i realised that i was trying to create a 'perfect' smartphone which as we all know could not exist as there is no such thing as perfection but only improvement.
i am a lawyer and whenever i was not in court i was spending time online to read about the ways i could make the android on my streak function that much better (LOL if i had spent that much time on my cases, i wouldve made some money). then suddenly it hit me. i was not enjoying my smartphone, i was just applying more and more tweaks on it so that i could enjoy it tomorrow but that tomorrow never came. this is my biggest gripe about android. it lacks the finesse which a good OS should have. compare it to wp7 and you will see what i mean. why should i spend all my time doing which should have already been done before releasing the software.
android has more than 80k applications in the market but half of them are cheap good for nothing fart apps or tip calcs or.......then from the remaining half almost a third do not run on streak (and i am sure its the same for everyone). such fragmentation only leads to frustration when you realise you have bought an application which cannot run on your device.
smartphones are consumption devices meant for enjoyment/recreation.

Welcome to Windows Phone 7, I like you am a convert from Android, I like you have stopped spending my days trying to find tweaks to "finesse" my phone, I like you now use my smartphone to help manage my days, consume media and keep in touch with the people that are important to me, no going back!

Welcome to the family no more flashing roms in hopes of a better experience...

eternalemb said:
Welcome to the family no more flashing roms in hopes of a better experience...
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I so so Second that man..seriously am tired of flashing ROMs in order to get my phone working like a beauty..but can't blame any1 else as my Phone (X1) itself is useless...

Masterfully spoken... Feels great to have the kinks ironed out for you... It's great to see more and more of these threads...

sahirhussain said:
it happened a week ago.
i loved the 5 inch real estate on the streak but the buggy android and a constant zeal to make it functional made me realise that i was spending too much time reading online guides/how to's/tips n tricks. i realised that i was trying to create a 'perfect' smartphone which as we all know could not exist as there is no such thing as perfection but only improvement.
i am a lawyer and whenever i was not in court i was spending time online to read about the ways i could make the android on my streak function that much better (LOL if i had spent that much time on my cases, i wouldve made some money). then suddenly it hit me. i was not enjoying my smartphone, i was just applying more and more tweaks on it so that i could enjoy it tomorrow but that tomorrow never came. this is my biggest gripe about android. it lacks the finesse which a good OS should have. compare it to wp7 and you will see what i mean. why should i spend all my time doing which should have already been done before releasing the software.
android has more than 80k applications in the market but half of them are cheap good for nothing fart apps or tip calcs or.......then from the remaining half almost a third do not run on streak (and i am sure its the same for everyone). such fragmentation only leads to frustration when you realise you have bought an application which cannot run on your device.
smartphones are consumption devices meant for enjoyment/recreation.
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hmm,
perfection ? nope
fragmentation ? get iphone
maturity ? iphone
entertainment ? iphone
apps ? iphone
consumption device ? android, ios, wp7 doesn't really matter here
hmm, you called android a waste of time wwith its level of maturity. didn't even mention ios... and wp7 hasn't even had a .1 release yet, where's the logic ?
did microsoft smash one out of the park or what ?

ohgood said:
hmm,
perfection ? nope
fragmentation ? get iphone
maturity ? iphone
entertainment ? iphone
apps ? iphone
consumption device ? android, ios, wp7 doesn't really matter here
hmm, you called android a waste of time wwith its level of maturity. didn't even mention ios... and wp7 hasn't even had a .1 release yet, where's the logic ?
did microsoft smash one out of the park or what ?
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Iphone loses in more ways than android, hardware selection? 3.7 inch screen or bust, too smal for touchscreen only. It's completely bland which is hard to say when I use an OS which has a selling point on that very subject. It's apple which means it has to sync with a bunch of just awful software. There is a 100 percent lack of freedom in the market (not that WP7 is much better but they have allowed adult games.) Essentially they run the whole smartphone experience for you like you're 4 years old.

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z33dev33l said:
Iphone loses in more ways than android, hardware selection? 3.7 inch screen or bust, too smal for touchscreen only. It's completely bland which is hard to say when I use an OS which has a selling point on that very subject. It's apple which means it has to sync with a bunch of just awful software. There is a 100 percent lack of freedom in the market (not that WP7 is much better but they have allowed adult games.) Essentially they run the whole smartphone experience for you like you're 4 years old.
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I was wondering how you would respond. the biggest criticisms of android here are usually "fragmentation" and "ugly". now its not fragmentation... but "choice of hardware". ok, I can dig it.
the markets aren't much different in principle. anyone can make (and be accepted) on android, harder on wp7, insane on ios.
I'm waiting for the video of a streak or gtablet being used as a phone (hilarious) as big as they are.
I wonder what law library apps you'll be looking for on wp7, or encryption to keep client info safe ?

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I was wondering how you would respond. the biggest criticisms of android here are usually "fragmentation" and "ugly". now its not fragmentation... but "choice of hardware". ok, I can dig it.
the markets aren't much different in principle. anyone can make (and be accepted) on android, harder on wp7, insane on ios.
I'm waiting for the video of a streak or gtablet being used as a phone (hilarious) as big as they are.
I wonder what law library apps you'll be looking for on wp7, or encryption to keep client info safe ?
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Oh, I'm not the lawyer. I'm just a diehard phone addict who happens to have fallen in love with WP7. I used a streak for a couple weeks, had clearer sound than any other phone I'd ever had except for the venue pro. IT felt good against my ear, I didn't feel like I was going to drop it like most new phones. Iphones are too tiny for me... the screens are miniscule for someone with gamer thumbs. If they dolled up iOS a bit and put it on a bigger screen itd... well it'd be almost as good as WP7

Is it just possible that someone could like some aspects of Android (choice of handsets), but also some aspects of iOS (consistent, easy, and smooth)?

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Is it just possible that someone could like some aspects of Android (choice of handsets), but also some aspects of iOS (consistent, easy, and smooth)?
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Of course not. What type of phone would we get if we had such blasphemy lol, a Windows Phone? Get out of town you crazy man. You're so crazy.

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hmm,
perfection ? nope
fragmentation ? get iphone
maturity ? iphone
entertainment ? iphone
apps ? iphone
consumption device ? android, ios, wp7 doesn't really matter here
hmm, you called android a waste of time wwith its level of maturity. didn't even mention ios... and wp7 hasn't even had a .1 release yet, where's the logic ?
did microsoft smash one out of the park or what ?
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buddy i am sure you wont stop tweaking your phone till you get 3500 (read astronomical figure of speech) score on that quadrant app!!! good luck.

Android = FULLY customizable
Windows Phone 7 = Not FULLY customizable
Tough decision...

sahirhussain said:
buddy i am sure you wont stop tweaking your phone till you get 3500 (read astronomical figure of speech) score on that quadrant app!!! good luck.
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i'm missing out on seomthing... don't know what a quadrant app is - sorry

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Android = FULLY customizable
Windows Phone 7 = Not FULLY customizable
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Precisely.
Can't describe how refreshing it is not to have to completely customize my damn phone. Never thought I'd say it, though as I enjoyed it somewhat.
Picked up the Focus with a strong expectation that I'd return it. Nope. Tried the Captivate, too, but preferred WP7. Might pick up a captivate to play with if I get the tinkering bug...

Worth getting a WP7 ?

Hello with the the new updates is the phone now worth considering ?
Currently I am using a desire HD
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Hello with the the new updates is the phone now worth considering ?
Currently I am using a desire HD
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I would personally wait for Nokia WP7, Thats when you'll see some good hardware / camera etc...

I bought mine two weeks ago. It is not perfect, i'll not lie. But it is the OS that I like most (I have iPhone 4 and Droid too). Android is laggy, even with overclock, and it feels.. like a beta. Worse, Alfa version. Everything is smooth and pretty in WP7.
I was willing to wait for Nokia devices, but i read that Nokia will only release one phone this year. And seriously, I don't trust Nokia. I don't want to buy Nokia's test phone, and I don't want to wait until next year.
Just buy it already, and join us

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I bought mine two weeks ago. It is not perfect, i'll not lie. But it is the OS that I like most (I have iPhone 4 and Droid too). Android is laggy, even with overclock, and it feels.. like a beta. Worse, Alfa version. Everything is smooth and pretty in WP7.
I was willing to wait for Nokia devices, but i read that Nokia will only release one phone this year. And seriously, I don't trust Nokia. I don't want to buy Nokia's test phone, and I don't want to wait until next year.
Just buy it already, and join us
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For 3 iterations, I've always said android feels incomplete. Even on the tablet side, android feels very incomplete and I guess this has made OEMs feel like they can do what they will to cover android's shortcomings - specifically in their management of OS, fragmentation, and acceleration.
The iphone felt finished to me - even if I didn't like the iphone platform at all. Everything just worked and ran quite effectively. It was cohesive and central when it was released.
What I enjoy about windows phone is that it carries the cohesion of apple, and totally ramps it up full blast making it an incredible platform to code on, experience, and use on a daily basis.
I do miss flashing custom roms for one reason - I HAVE A DELL VENUE PRO and so far its one of the most closed wp7 devices on the market! Period! But even then, the only thing I want is root access to the registry. Not so much optimize much because the os is damn good as is.
Are there limits to windows phone 7? Sure all platforms have limits. But I think in time windows phone will definitely be a household name. All it really needs is good advertising at this point.

My biggest issue with WP7 right now is not the missing featurs, but rather the lack of quality hardware. That having been said, the Samsung Focus is very nice. It takes amazing pictures. The screen is big and beautiful. It is sleek, and has long battery life. My only complaint is how slick the plastic is. Would have been nice to have a more rubbery texture to it or something.

Like every OS WP7 has its cons and pro's but to me it's just the experience as a whole that stands out to the rest. I'd certainly recommend a WP7 device to everyone who wants to buy a smartphone. Certainly the one's who owned an Android device before like myself.

I'm happy with my Trophy. I love the hardware. Have a nice grip, and an awesome screen. Not too large, nor too small. It's just the perfect size to me.
The plastic doesn't feel cheap, and doesnt look cheap. I recommend. And it is worth a look.

Thanks for feedback ... I use the following apps remote desktop, facebook,Twitter,slingplayer,navigation and need a good quality camera .... I'm looking at the apps market to see if I can find any apps like this..... I was disappointed to see no flash for browser....
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LG Quantum == great hardware
I love my LG Quantum.
I need a keyboard for business emails. I sometimes write mails on it longer than I do at my desktop computer. Try that on the on-screen keyboard.
But, if I just have a few words, the on-screen is fine. And the word-correct is amazing on WP7.
Friends at work have Samsung Focus and love it. Most people DON'T need over 8GB of flash, because with ZunePass, one can stream what one doesn't have, and then just download what they want to keep.
WP7 really is GREAT STUFF, and getting better with time.
Enjoy Windows Phone 7!
-e

intrancer said:
Hello with the the new updates is the phone now worth considering ?
Currently I am using a desire HD
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this is a really silly question, ppl who like android will tell you no and ppl who like wp7 will ask you to move....
this is really very personal... its like you asking ppl what car should i buy
you should buy if you like wp7 not because ppl think u should buy...

best thing you can do is go play with different devices in the store and see which one you like better.
WP7= fast and smooth, works out of the box great.
Android= very versatile, but does have some lag and might require some tweaking to get the best out of the device.
Just depends on what you are looking for.

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+1 on this. I read an article in another post and it has me holding off a WP7 purchase for now. 5-reinstal limit on paid apps! Hell no! It aint worth it if that's how it's gonna be. At least being a smartphone it will have all the common features on phones these days, but the 5-limit will kill it for me.

Dam a limit ... well well..... that's no to wp7 .. thanks for letting me know about that
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this is a really silly question, ppl who like android will tell you no and ppl who like wp7 will ask you to move....
this is really very personal... its like you asking ppl what car should i buy, thats total bull ****...
you should buy if you like wp7 not because ppl think u should buy...
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I don't think its a silly question... so far people that have had both have given me pros and cons those who have moved to wp7 have shared what they miss .... I am asking for owners experience of the phone... not if they like the color of the device...
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+1 on this. I read an article in another post and it has me holding off a WP7 purchase for now. 5-reinstal limit on paid apps! Hell no! It aint worth it if that's how it's gonna be. At least being a smartphone it will have all the common features on phones these days, but the 5-limit will kill it for me.
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To be clear - there is NO 5-reinstall limit.
The limit is 5 devices.
Why can't people get this simple facts right?

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To be clear - there is NO 5-reinstall limit.
The limit is 5 devices.
Why can't people get this simple facts right?
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Don't look at me dude. The article was official and from a microsoft answer guy. Don't hate on ppl who believe what it says. Did you read the word in that screenshot? ****! I'm a big time gamer and **** things up all the time. I might have to reinstal my games a bunch of times. Pay once dude. No more.

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Don't look at me dude. The article was official and from a microsoft answer guy. Don't hate on ppl who believe what it says. Did you read the word in that screenshot? ****! I'm a big time gamer and **** things up all the time. I might have to reinstal my games a bunch of times. Pay once dude. No more.
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What are you talking about?
I'm not hating on you. I'm telling you dumbass tech sites have once again failed to check their facts. You can reinstall as many times as you like.

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What are you talking about?
I'm not hating on you. I'm telling you dumbass tech sites have once again failed to check their facts. You can reinstall as many times as you like.
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No offense dude but until I see oficial word from microsoft that it aint true, I'm gonna hold back.

Well for me - yes and no.
If you don't care so much about features than WP7 is in many ways great.
But for me after 3 months of extensive usage - I start to have enough of stupid limitations. In March we will get only c&p and no other functionality enhancements.
I like how this WP7 behaves but it's totally unfinished product.
I rather accept a little choppiness but have all the features than use super fluent skeleton.
BTW this WP7 super fluent behaviour is a little myth. I see little freezes all the time.
More I think of it I see myself getting Android device soon. I don't care if it is "choppy", what is kinda BS TBH. I saw many current strong Androids which are smooth.
And they have oh so much more to offer right now. Sad but true.
I can't even buy apps and nobody knows WHEN this will be possible. And so on.
It will take a year or more to bring WP7 to desired state and I think some of the very useful features will not be supported ever.
Sorry for the rant but after the joy of using something nice has worn off, I just more and more miss features which are cruical for me and it's more than one thing.
I imagine getting SE Arc....
But I still didn't "give up". WP7 is still a great foundation.

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If you've been using Android especially with Sense I don't see how you could ever switch to WP7. I have an HTC Incredible and I bought an HTC Surround to play around with a week ago. The Surround has already been sold. After using Android for years WP7 seems like a joke right now. It is almost closer to a feature phone than a smartphone. I was going to keep it just to use as a Zune and for the Xbox Live features. My original Zune 30GB is 5 times the music player a WP7 phone is. The Xbox live stuff...I'm playing a game, let me switch to something else for a second...Go back to the game, wait loading? Oh yeah, no multitasking.
Maybe if you were coming from a feature phone WP7 might seem nice, but it is far behind Blackberry, Android, and iOS. Even my Samsung Blackjack with WM 6.1 was far more usable. It sucks because I am a Microsoft fanboy. I love my Xbox, my Zune, Windows 7, etc. But WP7 is pretty bad I thought.