I am looking to swap from an LG V20 (H910) to the OnePlus 7 Pro... The main thing holding me back is a good extended battery for the new phone... With the LG V20, it apparently was one of the last phones that offered a removable battery, and this let it exchange the original 3,200 mAh for a 10,800 mAh battery, and just put on a replacement rear cover... While I know that this will not work on the OnePlus, they do have similar cases available for the iPhones that plug into the normal port and charge them through that port from an extended battery life battery-case...
My searches have so far come up negative, and this is the main issue preventing me getting the phone... I have very large hands, so I actually prefer the phone to be physically large anyway, makes me feel less like I am going to break it...
You help is appreciated
Surely Zerolemon will make one before long, but no word yet. They did one for the last few OnePlus phones, so it would reason the 7 Pro is on the list. Might try a DASH ready power bank, or wait for a WARP ready one to come out but having it built into a case is optimal for some.
I am genuinely interested in the use scenarios for these in modern phones. Do you travel a lot, need multi day use, play a lot of games, use it as a primary work device or actually talk on your phone a lot? I use my phone an embarrassing amount every day, probably more than I should but would not need something like this. Intrigued by demographic of accessories like this.
I have personally used them in the past but when phones were different.
I, too, am hoping zero lemon releases a battery case for the oneplus 7 pro. It's mainly for my prolonged usage of playing pokemon go.
thetonyclifton said:
I am genuinely interested in the use scenarios for these in modern phones. Do you travel a lot, need multi day use, play a lot of games, use it as a primary work device or actually talk on your phone a lot? I use my phone an embarrassing amount every day, probably more than I should but would not need something like this. Intrigued by demographic of accessories like this.
I have personally used them in the past but when phones were different.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
@thetonyclifton I'll give you a good one.
I road ride, quite a bit (for a 50-something guy), I used to race, not that many years ago, so I still ride as far as my darn foot/nerve issue will let me, which can be 75+ (mi), on some weekends.
Here in the PNW, it's very easy to get into areas, even on a road bike where my service (ATT) "wanes" or just is completely gone (this is particularly bad when I go on a long MTB, which is less often).
Same for hiking around here, although I mostly just turn my cell off when I'm hiking, or leave it at home, just depends.
Anyway, if I'm out all day, say 6-8+ hours, on a ride/lunch-stop/ride, along those lines, and going in/out of coverage, it REALLY eats up my battery, FAST. I like to be able to rely on it, to check the weather six times, when it starts to look "threatening" later on, send a few texts, whatever, without wondering if I'm going to run out of juice, towards the end, that kind of stuff. This case would "fit the need", pretty much perfectly", as "one unit", rather than carrying a separate extra battery cable, etc (jersey pockets will only hold so much ;-]).
All that said though, I like using Qi receivers, having come from a LONG line of WinPhones that had the built-in, WAY back, so all my Android phones (Nexus 6, OP5T, OP6, now OP7Pro, the rest "trickled down into our family") have had a Qi receiver on them, behind a basic TPU case.
Occasionally, I carry slim-ish battery pack, with a Qi charging coil built into it, but that's also a bit much for a jersey-pocket.
If I had this type of pack, I'd install it, before long rides/hikes/etc, and and it'd solve my issue, of low-coverage being so darn tough on ANY phone battery, in one, nice, modular package. Not saying I'd buy one of these, 100%, but I'd definitely be a good candidate.
I do hear what you're saying, the "use case" for these having changed a LOT, say from 10 years back, there's no question about the overall advancement making these somewhat less "necessary".
On the other hand, I do like only having to charge my sports-activity watch every 3 days or so, that kind of "appliance-like" dependability is pretty cool; perhaps not necessary in a phone these days, but still pretty cool! I don't think anyone would "turn away" a 2-3 day phone, (say with 4-6hrs screen-on-time/day), if battery-tech evolved, in some rapid way, anytime soon
If this case had an Qi-coil built into it, then I bet it WOULD REALLY SELL, given the lack of Qi coil on the OP7-series, if anyone from ZeroLemon is listening...
So yeah, there's my diatribe, and perhaps some light on an "interesting subject", I suppose...
pgrey2 said:
@thetonyclifton I'll give you a good one.
I road ride, quite a bit (for a 50-something guy), I used to race, not that many years ago, so I still ride as far as my darn foot/nerve issue will let me, which can be 75+ (mi), on some weekends.
Here in the PNW, it's very easy to get into areas, even on a road bike where my service (ATT) "wanes" or just is completely gone (this is particularly bad when I go on a long MTB, which is less often).
Same for hiking around here, although I mostly just turn my cell off when I'm hiking, or leave it at home, just depends.
Anyway, if I'm out all day, say 6-8+ hours, on a ride/lunch-stop/ride, along those lines, and going in/out of coverage, it REALLY eats up my battery, FAST. I like to be able to rely on it, to check the weather six times, when it starts to look "threatening" later on, send a few texts, whatever, without wondering if I'm going to run out of juice, towards the end, that kind of stuff. This case would "fit the need", pretty much perfectly", as "one unit", rather than carrying a separate extra battery cable, etc (jersey pockets will only hold so much ;-]).
All that said though, I like using Qi receivers, having come from a LONG line of WinPhones that had the built-in, WAY back, so all my Android phones (Nexus 6, OP5T, OP6, now OP7Pro, the rest "trickled down into our family") have had a Qi receiver on them, behind a basic TPU case.
Occasionally, I carry slim-ish battery pack, with a Qi charging coil built into it, but that's also a bit much for a jersey-pocket.
If I had this type of pack, I'd install it, before long rides/hikes/etc, and and it'd solve my issue, of low-coverage being so darn tough on ANY phone battery, in one, nice, modular package. Not saying I'd buy one of these, 100%, but I'd definitely be a good candidate.
I do hear what you're saying, the "use case" for these having changed a LOT, say from 10 years back, there's no question about the overall advancement making these somewhat less "necessary".
On the other hand, I do like only having to charge my sports-activity watch every 3 days or so, that kind of "appliance-like" dependability is pretty cool; perhaps not necessary in a phone these days, but still pretty cool! I don't think anyone would "turn away" a 2-3 day phone, (say with 4-6hrs screen-on-time/day), if battery-tech evolved, in some rapid way, anytime soon
If this case had an Qi-coil built into it, then I bet it WOULD REALLY SELL, given the lack of Qi coil on the OP7-series, if anyone from ZeroLemon is listening...
So yeah, there's my diatribe, and perhaps some light on an "interesting subject", I suppose...
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Thanks. Yes that is interesting. I can see a use for people regularly away from a charger with very heavy use. People who work in the field etc too I guess. Though I think a good power bank would be better in quite a few of those cases too.
Enjoy the bike, great hobby.
thetonyclifton said:
Thanks. Yes that is interesting. I can see a use for people regularly away from a charger with very heavy use. People who work in the field etc too I guess. Though I think a good power bank would be better in quite a few of those cases too.
Enjoy the bike, great hobby.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
@thetonyclifton Yep, no question, I could "work around" the issue, with a small/slim power bank type of deal, but the added-battery case, particularly IF it added Qi charging, would be an awesome option to have.
Thanks for the cycling comment, I enjoy it, immensely, riding-fast/skiing-fast (I used to race here, too) are sort of my Zen-moments ;-]
I've also traveled by bike (i.e. loaded touring bike), pretty extensively, which is another (albeit adjunct) use-case for topic at-hand.
Hobbies are a good thing, it's hard to have too many (although my wife might disagree ;-0)...
pgrey2 said:
@thetonyclifton Yep, no question, I could "work around" the issue, with a small/slim power bank type of deal, but the added-battery case, particularly IF it added Qi charging, would be an awesome option to have.
Thanks for the cycling comment, I enjoy it, immensely, riding-fast/skiing-fast (I used to race here, too) are sort of my Zen-moments ;-]
I've also traveled by bike (i.e. loaded touring bike), pretty extensively, which is another (albeit adjunct) use-case for topic at-hand.
Hobbies are a good thing, it's hard to have too many (although my wife might disagree ;-0)...
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
A good Garmin or similar specific accessory for the bike might cut down on your need for phone use while out there...and be another thing to annoy your wife ?
thetonyclifton said:
A good Garmin or similar specific accessory for the bike might cut down on your need for phone use while out there...and be another thing to annoy your wife
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Yeah, I've considered it, I have an old "Oregon XXX" unit I use, with good base-maps, for loaded touring, but I mostly just pull it out when I'm confused about something on a map, or similar, or I'm looking for someplace to buy groceries ;-]
If the Garmin or another bike GPS ever gets to a "decent enough battery life" (hmm, interesting that this is a cell-battery thread...), say a couple weeks worth, like 30-40 hours of riding, I'd be a lot more interested.
I like the fact that my "good old altimeter bike computer" runs for a solid 12-18 months, on a single coin-cell (wish it were a rechargeable, but that's tough with coin-cells), and just "counts my miles and climbing, basic stats", without fail.
I get a hard-time, in my fast riding group, for being a s/w-h/w engineering guy, but eschewing a "real GPS cycling computer", when darn near everyone else has their fancy Garmin's, or whatever ;-]
I do use an old Suunto Ambit 3 watch, for tracking my weekly riding, but it runs a good 30-40 hours, in "high GPS mode", and 100-120, in "low GPS mode", which is handy for touring, I can easily go a week without having to charge it.
For touring though, it'd have to be a step-up, still (from current GPS units-battery), maybe an ultra-low-GPS-screen-off-mostly "mode", or something like that, so it'd go for at least 5-7 days, without a charge. I'm often camped, and carrying an extra battery for my phone is enough, already, I don't want to carrying more, or even having to charge the GPS every or every-other day, that'd just be annoying, I'm a little more "back to basics" when I'm touring ;-]
I have a decent "general sense of direction", in most cases, and a pretty solid "visual route memory", so unless I'm exploring someplace new, I don't use maps when out riding, much anyway (solo exploring new streets/routes, perhaps), probably comes from years of backpacking and climbing, often off-route stuff, you sort of get a "feel" for how to dead-reckon stuff, or how to pick out a few landmarks, and keep yourself going the "general right way", I guess...
Or I'm a complete weirdo, which is possible, although my daughter seems to have the same sense, when we're bike touring (my wife could get lost in a subdivision though, and would admit to that;-]), she and I are the ones pouring over the map, and pointing at stuff, it's kinda' comical ;-]
pgrey2 said:
Yeah, I've considered it, I have an old "Oregon XXX" unit I use, with good base-maps, for loaded touring, but I mostly just pull it out when I'm confused about something on a map, or similar, or I'm looking for someplace to buy groceries ;-]
If the Garmin or another bike GPS ever gets to a "decent enough battery life" (hmm, interesting that this is a cell-battery thread...), say a couple weeks worth, like 30-40 hours of riding, I'd be a lot more interested.
I like the fact that my "good old altimeter bike computer" runs for a solid 12-18 months, on a single coin-cell (wish it were a rechargeable, but that's tough with coin-cells), and just "counts my miles and climbing, basic stats", without fail.
I get a hard-time, in my fast riding group, for being a s/w-h/w engineering guy, but eschewing a "real GPS cycling computer", when darn near everyone else has their fancy Garmin's, or whatever ;-]
I do use an old Suunto Ambit 3 watch, for tracking my weekly riding, but it runs a good 30-40 hours, in "high GPS mode", and 100-120, in "low GPS mode", which is handy for touring, I can easily go a week without having to charge it.
For touring though, it'd have to be a step-up, still (from current GPS units-battery), maybe an ultra-low-GPS-screen-off-mostly "mode", or something like that, so it'd go for at least 5-7 days, without a charge. I'm often camped, and carrying an extra battery for my phone is enough, already, I don't want to carrying more, or even having to charge the GPS every or every-other day, that'd just be annoying, I'm a little more "back to basics" when I'm touring ;-]
I have a decent "general sense of direction", in most cases, and a pretty solid "visual route memory", so unless I'm exploring someplace new, I don't use maps when out riding, much anyway (solo exploring new streets/routes, perhaps), probably comes from years of backpacking and climbing, often off-route stuff, you sort of get a "feel" for how to dead-reckon stuff, or how to pick out a few landmarks, and keep yourself going the "general right way", I guess...
Or I'm a complete weirdo, which is possible, although my daughter seems to have the same sense, when we're bike touring (my wife could get lost in a subdivision though, and would admit to that;-]), she and I are the ones pouring over the map, and pointing at stuff, it's kinda' comical ;-]
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Don't think you are a weirdo but think you are destined to be in the niche of a niche for these products ?
You have very unique use scenarios. Basically you need the stuff they give the military ? or for people who live off grid.
thetonyclifton said:
I am genuinely interested in the use scenarios for these in modern phones. Do you travel a lot, need multi day use, play a lot of games, use it as a primary work device or actually talk on your phone a lot? I use my phone an embarrassing amount every day, probably more than I should but would not need something like this. Intrigued by demographic of accessories like this.
I have personally used them in the past but when phones were different.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I currently have an LG V20, which at this point looks like it is going to be the last phone to ever have a removable battery, and switched it to have an 10,800 mAh battery instead (I even ebay'ed a replacement back cover, and man hacked it to have a hole for the new battery, this let the NFC continue working)
I have found that at first I can get about 2 days of normal use out of them when new, but after just a few months, I am getting down to just 20% or so at the end of the day... I prefer to just plug when I go to sleep rather than constantly topping off during the day... I think the original phone would only get me through about 1/3 of my day after just a few months, so I think phones should ship with 10,000 mAh batteries from the factory... I think that Energizer phone has the right idea, just a terrible implementation
Also as I mentioned, I have giant hands, and prefer to have a phone that doesn't feel like it could give me a papercut if I hold it too tight... I like my brick phone
Looks like Zero Lemon has no ETA for producing a case for the 7 Pro, lets hope that changes soon.
https://twitter.com/zero_lemon/status/1137919555760640000
thetonyclifton said:
A good Garmin or similar specific accessory for the bike might cut down on your need for phone use while out there...and be another thing to annoy your wife
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
graycatgrayhat said:
Looks like Zero Lemon has no ETA for producing a case for the 7 Pro, lets hope that changes soon.
https://twitter.com/zero_lemon/status/1137919555760640000
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
@graycatgrayhat Send them a "customer contact message", I did. The more they get, the more likely it is they'll produce one, particularly if they're "teetering" on their decision to make one for the OP7 Pro. Worst, case, you spent 60 seconds filling out a short-form...
Oh yeah, and ask for it to have a Qi coil, in the ZeroLemon pack, I REALLY think that would make this thing sell like hotcakes, given that it adds a LOT more than just a bigger battery runtime (wireless charging, while still having access to the USB port, something that is not really do-able with the current phone, my USB plugged with my cheesy, low-current-but-effective Qi coil, already, and I'd love to have it back...).
---------- Post added at 06:33 PM ---------- Previous post was at 06:24 PM ----------
thetonyclifton said:
Don't think you are a weirdo but think you are destined to be in the niche of a niche for these products
You have very unique use scenarios. Basically you need the stuff they give the military or for people who live off grid.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Yeah, most of my friends would agree with you, I've been a niche cyclist/explorer, most of my life. My Dad is a geologist, and we spent many times in "odd spots" in various places in Alaska, checking out old mines, surveying new sites, driving HUGE heavy equipment (I drove a D9 Cat when I was 10, across a big river too, and could drive a loader and operate it, by the same age, along with other stuff, backhoes, forklifts and such, I'm definitely "odd").
I would say though, even though my use-cases might be viewed as sort of "fringe", I bet a LOT of people would like to get 2-3+ days, from any of the aforementioned devices, right?
I will say, too, that when I started bike-touring, in the early 90's, I had a little solar-grid, that would recharge AA or AAA batteries, very effectively. It was "ahead of its' time, fully-sealed and all, I still have it somewhere, although I haven't used it for a few years now. It kept my headlamp and the few other batteries I had, back then, charged along my first 5.5 week tour, just bumping along on the back of a pannier...
I sure wish they used AAA and AA (rechargeable) batteries for more devices, these days, you can get REALLY energy-dense models, that last for a LONG time, charges-wise, and then you can simply replace them, eh? Plus, you'd have less problems with a "cheap cell replacement battery from who-knows-where, hoping that it wasn't going to catch fire, the first few times you charge it).
I get that a AAA has a pretty big diameter, for most modern mobiles, but I think it would be close, really close, say in my OnePlus 7 phone, in terms of being able to "just slide in" a set, on one end or something, and still have room for a full rubber seal around the compartment...
pgrey2 said:
I get that a AAA has a pretty big diameter, for most modern mobiles, but I think it would be close, really close, say in my OnePlus 7 phone, in terms of being able to "just slide in" a set, on one end or something, and still have room for a full rubber seal around the compartment...
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Your uses are interesting, bit unusual, not odd just niche which make product development unlikely.
The disposal batteries in a phone are never going to happen. It's not the size of the battery it's the totally empty space needed to fit them in. Phone companies, not even 3rd party accessory manufacturers are also not going to trust degradable batteries with so much room for user error, poor contact connections and poor user practice to hook up to phones with heat and high voltage chargers.
thetonyclifton said:
Your uses are interesting, bit unusual, not odd just niche which make product development unlikely.
The disposal batteries in a phone are never going to happen. It's not the size of the battery it's the totally empty space needed to fit them in. Phone companies, not even 3rd party accessory manufacturers are also not going to trust degradable batteries with so much room for user error, poor contact connections and poor user practice to hook up to phones with heat and high voltage chargers.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Yeah, maybe. There are phones with >5000 mAh batteries now, although most of those aren't very optimized, to really take advantage of the extra longevity, the ones I've seen anyway.
I still think that people would be "elated", to be able to use their mobiles, full-tilt, for 2-3 days, and still have "enough juice left" to not stress...
I don't mean "disposable batteries", for the AAA, and AA, suggestions, I mean "rechargeable" ones.
It's pretty easy to buy high-quality, 3000+ mAH AA's, and similar AAA's, upwards of 1200 mAH now.
On the other hand, if I order a "random replacement LiIon cell", for my mobile, it's VERY hard to find one, aftermarket, that's of "known good quality", all the battery "re-packagers" have learned to put OEM-looking stamps on them, and even things like the "UL logo"...
Even IF you do manage to find a decent replacement, it's generally a HUGE pain to replace it, involving a lot of very precise cutting (glue around edges), sketchy prying, tugging, pulling, and swearing, trying to get a phone apart "enough", to slot the new battery in...
LiIon is a MUCH more dangerous tech to "get wrong" too, in terms of the line/signal that reports the temperature and charging-state, back to the input line, than NiMH.
Even so, there are also high-quality rechargeable AAA LiIon's out there, too, with even (obviously) higher energy-density, than their NiMH precursors, if you will.
I get that the era of "replaceable LiIon brick-batteries" has probably come/gone, but I think that a "standardized" battery, perhaps the newer AAAA (in NiMH or LiIon), with high-quality cells, at only 8.3mm diameter is "the candidate".
Or, maybe I'm just looking for "a solution without a problem", but I doubt it.
How many people pay some "random cell repair store" say $40-80, plus the cost of an "unknown LiIon brick battery", on a regular basis. I bet almost ALL of those people would be elated, if they could just undo a few screws, buy some decent (Panasonic, Sanyo, etc.) AAA or AAAA cells, pop-them-in, and go back to "full capacity", after 1.5 years of a mobile devices' life, for only say $10-15?
That "seems" like a pretty good, real-world scenario (well beyond my "niche" stuff), IMHO...
Good banter, BTW!
It's always "refreshing" to come over to XDA, from things like the ATT and OnePlus forums. There are some sharp people, who know the industry, on those boards, too, but "less so", on average ;-]
If I were writing much code anymore, I'd probably spend a lot more time on XDA, but I've moved over to the "evil Tech-PM" type of roles, although I am "that PM" who often jumps in and starts debugging stuff, or signs off on a code-review for check-in, which is sometimes appreciated, and sometimes just annoys people, it depends on the team(s) I'm working with...
What I"m really aiming for, is to find a tech-PM role that's mostly remote; I have a bad nerve injury, that prevents me from sitting or standing for any length of continuous time (although I can still put in a 2-3 hour ride, it's a "nerve neutral" position, for me, for about that length of time), so it's a "weird deal" to be a PM who's always "pacing around" meetings, even if I'm not presenting (presenting can make it easier, to stand-up/sit-down). I'm perfectly eligible for disability, although I just don't ever see that happening, I'm way too driven ;-]
I could probably be a moderator, in many places, but I like to "bring teams together" on tech-issues, even down to the individual-interface level (API, whatever), I find that much more satisfying, professionally, than doing "policing" ;-]
@pgrey2
I think the answer is actually in your narrative. Exactly because people will make ropey versions of replaceable batteries and in so doing make them more dangerous. Because the phone manufacturers lose the control over their phones exploding when that is someone else fault. And because replacing batteries even with great, safe after market versions will prolong the life of a device which they want you to replace every couple of years. It won't happen. People will love to have 2-3 day battery life and it might happen but so far the new features of a phone have been draining batteries at the same rate as their capacity, size and cost improvements have been made.
Good luck with the job. Sounds like you know what you want and what will work for you. I assume you live in the US. I don't. We have a welfare state and laws which (relatively speaking) protect people with disabilities a bit better. You should be able to work the amount you can and be helped to do so for as long as possible.
I bought the OnePlus 7 pro then realized there was no battery case. The current battery won't last. I hope zero ? will make one but not too bulky. This phone is great but the down size is it's battery size.
Newdery perhaps???????
Newdery. A brand I no almost nothing about. While searching for Oneplus 7 Pro battery case this brand popped up on amazon. I'd really love to give you the link but as a new person I cannot. Search Newdery Oneplus 7 Pro. Or just Oneplus 7 Pro battery case. You'll run into a few, but no lemon.
I came across the Newdery brand one over the weekend on ebay really cheap in new condition. Still haven't received it yet. Well I'll try and report back. If anyone still cares that is.....
---------- Post added at 05:02 AM ---------- Previous post was at 04:39 AM ----------
oneplus.seven.pro said:
Newdery. A brand I no almost nothing about. While searching for Oneplus 7 Pro battery case this brand popped up on amazon. I'd really love to give you the link but as a new person I cannot. Search Newdery Oneplus 7 Pro. Or just Oneplus 7 Pro battery case. You'll run into a few, but no lemon.
I came across the Newdery brand one over the weekend on ebay really cheap in new condition. Still haven't received it yet. Well I'll try and report back. If anyone still cares that is.....
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
There actually is a shimmer of hope. That hope comes in the form of the Oneplus 7T Pro. That and the 7 Pro have the exact same body style and fit like a glove. Maybe all this added attention might bring about a style battery case that will fit them both.
One thing to note is the (IR) laser autofocus rangefinder on the 7T is on the left of the lenses, on the rear of the phone. So you won't have any problem getting a 7T case fitting the 7 Pro. But if you have a 7T you can't use a 7 Pro case properly. Unless your willing to cut a whole I suppose.