android appears essentually a linux distro aimed at phones (maybe i am wrong?). is it possible to add a repository to the market? say for apps that are only ment for certain phones. What i mean to say is:
Could we have a repository for kaiser phones where apps are designed for or modified for kiaser?
Most apps run fine it seems to me, what exactly are you getting at?
chambo622 said:
Most apps run fine it seems to me, what exactly are you getting at?
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for example on debian. There is a normal repository where you can find all the free programs that the debian community recommend. However since the debian devs tend to be open source nazis (they only include things that are open source) people commonly add ubuntu repositories (where things are allowed that arnt open source, like flash10).
In relation to android:
while alot of the apps run great on my phone, many apps die or dont work at all. I have seen, on this forum, requests on this forum for certain apps, that dont work, to be ported. which leads me to believe that its possible to modify those programs available in market to work for our phones.
In conclusion:
I propose the idea of creating a server which would host the android programs that have been modified to work for certain phones. ex: kaiser. On my kaiser i could browse regular apps on the android market oooor check the kaiser repository for apps that are ment for kaiser and are therefor garunteed to work.
maybe its not possible, maybe its just a bad idea. But i thought i would throw the idea out there.
(please let me know if its still not clear. Im kinda hungover and only got a few hours sleep).
also if this is possible i would be willing to help out with programming the app and i may be able to get a server going for it. (although im new to java so i would definitly need help)
The Dolpfin browser's source is available at http://opensource.samsung.com/reception/reception_main.do?method=reception_list&menu_item=mobile
Would it be possible to modify the source to include say, full screen browsing, updated webkit components and so on?
check this thread- http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=967180
adfree is trying to replace XXJL2's dolfin browser with that of XXJID. it might be useful to you.
sabianadmin said:
The Dolpfin browser's source is available at http://opensource.samsung.com/reception/reception_main.do?method=reception_list&menu_item=mobile
Would it be possible to modify the source to include say, full screen browsing, updated webkit components and so on?
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Modify sources and recompile? Sure.
Load it on the Wave? No option at the moment and there might even be difficult to be done in the future.
Remember that open source means you are free to review the source, offer modifications and reuse the sources elsewhere (if in line with the license used), but that does not mean you can replace it.
Thank you very much himadri_sm.
But adfree is not smart enough to do this.
Dolfin is not standalone App like Facebook or Twitter for instance...
It is hardcoded into apps_compressed.bin and additional uses Exe/DLL00111104.DLL
About sabianadmin's idea.
This is tough job too.
As I know such project needs manpower... to make stable trusted Browser.
Nobody knows, if all parts in this source and if easily to port into bada App possible...
Maybe if Opera Developer would do such experiments, then more success.
If Hobby Programmer...
Best Regards
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Modify sources and recompile? Sure.
Load it on the Wave? No option at the moment and there might even be difficult to be done in the future.
Remember that open source means you are free to review the source, offer modifications and reuse the sources elsewhere (if in line with the license used), but that does not mean you can replace it.
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:-/ not sure you quite get my meaning, im talking about using the Bada SDK to compile a modified version of the browser and creating a new browser based on the original Dolfin source, the source is just weird i was expecting .cpp and so forth but instead they have gone with microsoft standards like .dll and .bat . Is it me or are samsung new to this platform development thing...
Dolfin is not only for bada... Samsung used this for several platforms...
So its same... you have to port the source...
Look here for Example:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1004193
Linked Browser is around 3 MB...
Better we start some easier project... for example TICTACTOE on JAVA with Bluetooth Support... NO JOKE
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=999256
Here are the source code for bada...
We need someone who made JAVA Version for instance. Then you could play S8500 against I9000 user.
This source could also help to develop simple check... or other Multiplayer over Bluetooth.
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HELLO Xda !!!
I am a Noob from Germany !!
We all who use Bada Os have a serious Issue with the APPS !! so i want to know whether U guys (the great guys who Ported Android to Bada) can Create an APP for Launching an Android app on BADA powered Devices ! !! (atleast for S8500 and S8530) !!!!!!!!!!!!
PLEASEE GUYSSSS U CAN DO ITTTTTT !!!!!!!!!!!
Try it yourself? You make others happy with that
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yeah ! but I just started with C and C++ !!! so I cant !! only the Experts like XDA can handle this !!
lol why you write random words with capital letters any emulator requires countless hours of developing and does never reach the performance of the original system. and android apps have many rights that bada apps don't have so it would be impossible to run these without adjustments in the app itself. if you need these apps buy android.
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HELLO Xda !!!
I am a Noob from Germany !!
We all who use Bada Os have a serious Issue with the APPS !! so i want to know whether U guys (the great guys who Ported Android to Bada) can Create an APP for Launching an Android app on BADA powered Devices ! !! (atleast for S8500 and S8530) !!!!!!!!!!!!
PLEASEE GUYSSSS U CAN DO ITTTTTT !!!!!!!!!!!
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I don`t think that anybody would develop anything like that but everybody is waiting for Oleg`s release of the Android 2.3.3 for the Samsung Wave, so soon there could be a stable version of Android working on Bada. It works already but with a couple of bugs which make it impossible to use the phone for a long period.
In fact, this could be done with enormous efforts. As on the new BlackBerry PlayBook there will be android application support, it is not impossible from technical point of view. There are two different project for this, one is AlienDalvik (I think this will be on BB PlayBook, but it's just a hunch) and the other is IcedRobot (this one is in the very begining of the project). Google them for more information.
I think the biggest problem for us is the Bada SDK, as it is nowhere near ready to accomplish this big tasks... Of course this is just my 2 cents.
Edit: you can find some information about porting Dalvik here: http://groups.google.com/group/android-platform/msg/a177b156d338c513?
But I'm sure I'll not start it...
OK, just trying to make something else out of the bull**** about how cool would be to have a Dalvik port, can anybody say what API would be missing to have a Dalvik VM as a bada application? I know Dalvik is far more than JDK, but I never seen any deep analysis. Back several years ago I played on some embedded platform to put J2ME there (I do get the difference) and porting KVM to hello world level took me something like a weekend or so. Again, comparing KVM to Dalvik makes no sense but honestly, to say that porting makes no sense, we should at least have an estimate of effort and missing API.
BADA should open up then for its own good
If Samsung ever decides to open up more apis for an android apps emu
it will be best for BADA. Bada doesnt even have PSX, N64 emus like android has.
Im missing out on a lot of exciting apps like the ones mentioned because there is no developer working on these apps for BADA.
If bada ever comes out with an emu for Android Apps then ill be in line
im even willing to pay for it.
As for not performing at native speed thats what they said for the psx and N64 emus on android but look at where they are now.
BADA isnt that different from Android it just needs to open up more APIs to
take up the slack.
Thats all reliant on samsung.
the app could possibly emulate these apis too like calendar etc or what else is missing (dont know what it is). so for calendar just create an empty one...
or (to make the point clear) instead of using camera it could show a picture and the android app would work and just think that camera is not moving
...but i'd really appreciate an n64 emu for bada
If I wasn't precise enough I'll just put that in one question:
What exactly (as specific as possible) is missing in the API?
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If I wasn't precise enough I'll just put that in one question:
What exactly (as specific as possible) is missing in the API?
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I think you were clear enough, we just doesn't have answer to your question. I barely developed anything with the Bada SDK, just played with the different versions. But I know that there were no sprintf, sscanf, qsort etc. when I tried it. Maybe this is not issue with Dalvik. And I saw that SDL was ported to Bada (even if it's not free and/or publicly available) so big scale ports can be done, but I can't see the developer community which is capable and willing to do it...
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I think you were clear enough, we just doesn't have answer to your question. I barely developed anything with the Bada SDK, just played with the different versions. But I know that there were no sprintf, sscanf, qsort etc. when I tried it. Maybe this is not issue with Dalvik. And I saw that SDL was ported to Bada (even if it's not free and/or publicly available) so big scale ports can be done, but I can't see the developer community which is capable and willing to do it...
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I don't think any library functions are to be the problem. Most of them are either easy to replace or source code is publicly available. I rather tend to think what hardware abstraction / OS interface might be missing. It is repeatedly brought up that there is missing API, but noone gives any detail. What I suspect is that missing API is far less important than memory requirements, but it'd be nice if someone actually had a look.
About the community I share the opinion that it'd be difficult to get the right people doing this. There is much discussion on XDA how to bring this forum back to developers, so we can finally see more people working than whining.
There is much discussion on XDA how to bring this forum back to developers, so we can finally see more people working than whining.
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oh so you think it is so bad to have a lot of testers who are ready to kill their phones to prove that you are working in the right direction???
i noticed the disappearance of the Devs like you, Adfree , larieto(but he is in vacation) , Oleg and others
i still don't get it
Is XDA bad forum for the Devs now???
Best Regards
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I rather tend to think what hardware abstraction / OS interface might be missing.
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Yep, you can be right. And according to this :
http://justanapplication.wordpress.com/category/dalvik/
"Implementing a large part of what is approximately Java 5 plus a large part of some version of the Android APIs (which version is of course another problem) is not exactly trivial given that many of the Android API methods are actually native methods, or call native methods almost immediately, and they often use Android platform specific features, for example, Skia and Surfaceflinger to name but two. In fact it is quite difficult to see how it can run the majority of Android applications unmodified unless it actually contains what amounts to a largish chunk of, not to put to fine a point on it, Android." (it's about AlienDalvik)
DalvikVM itself is pretty big and it needs a few libs to be able to run .dex files and a lot more to run Android apps. With the bada 2.0 we have approx. 240-250 MB free RAM after boot, if I'm not mistaken. This might be enough for some stripped-down Android libs+dalvik+app as we have around 70 MB for apps when booted into Android... I may try to compille dalvik alone if I had some time...
One more thing: there's a project to port DalvikVM to iOS with some progress: http://code.google.com/p/in-the-box/ so this is definetly not just a dream. In fact they have DalvikVM ported. (video here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fhyd18h_as4&feature=player_embedded)
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oh so you think it is so bad to have a lot of testers who are ready to kill their phones to prove that you are working in the right direction???
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I don't feel satisfaction when an unaware 'tester' bricks his phone.
I'd prefer people that would contribute their time and knowledge instead. With large number of people unaware what they're doing and later messing forums with requests/DEMANDS for help we are not getting any further. When I asked for help in relatively simple task of downloading and checking bootloaders with a PC app there was little response.
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i noticed the disappearance of the Devs like you, Adfree , larieto(but he is in vacation) , Oleg and others
i still don't get it
Is XDA bad forum for the Devs now???
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Well, apart from me actually working hard in RL for past 3 months, I won't say much about others here at bada forum. Generally, XDA is going through hard times with developers being bashed and flooded with excrements from growing number of people feeling that clicking 'donate' is same as buying someone's time and other groups that think developers simply owe anything to users.
With going further down this path at some point the forum would have to change the name to 'xda-noobs.com' as all the devs would be gone leaving all that whining behind. Fortunately, the mods and admins do care and take actions, so I hope it will stimulate more hard-facts discussions.
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DalvikVM itself is pretty big and it needs a few libs to be able to run .dex files and a lot more to run Android apps. With the bada 2.0 we have approx. 240-250 MB free RAM after boot, if I'm not mistaken. This might be enough for some stripped-down Android libs+dalvik+app as we have around 70 MB for apps when booted into Android... I may try to compille dalvik alone if I had some time...
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Wait a Minute !!! YOU CAN DO IT ??? Where can I buy the Time for you ?? Man thats an awesome News !!!!!!!!!!! I love to hear that !! !! what about the APIs and the things that other guys are talking about ?? Is it possible to bring it on BADA ??? AleinDalvik??? REPLY MY FRIENDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD !!
Hold your horses as you're simply misinterpreting and clearly should go look up what is Alien Dalvik.
VM is one thing, runtime is the other. While compilation should not take too much time, creating runtime environment won't be that straightforward.
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Hold your horses as you're simply misinterpreting and clearly should go look up what is Alien Dalvik.
VM is one thing, runtime is the other. While compilation should not take too much time, creating runtime environment won't be that straightforward.
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Yes, indeed! I just wanted to say that I'll check if the core libs could be compiled at all without much modification if I had time. But Dalvik alone is not barely more than having a console based java re...
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Hold your horses as you're simply misinterpreting and clearly should go look up what is Alien Dalvik.
VM is one thing, runtime is the other. While compilation should not take too much time, creating runtime environment won't be that straightforward.
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let android apps run on non android devices
this is what Alien Dalvik does ,right ??
it runs on N900 !! cant we make it to run on Bada ?? Yes or No ??
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let android apps run on non android devices
this is what Alien Dalvik does ,right ??
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First of all, Alien Dalvik is a commercial PRODUCT, not a general concept. Dalvik as it is does not really require android to run.
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cant we make it to run on Bada ?? Yes or No ??
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When you say 'we' who do you really have in mind? What will be yours input?
If you wish to ask the question in that tone and receive a binary answer, then your answer is No.
Bcm has provided us .so files of our gpu but it is compiled so of no use
there is a app called IDA Pro which can decompile .so files and we can get source from it and edit it.
Any dev familar with c++ and c languages can try this app
and get the source of our gpu.
just google it to find IDA pro
Hit Thanks If U Like My Effort
wow, good news
idm pro is used for reverse engineering... we can try to reverse engineer those .so files given by broadcom... which is very difficult...don't you think that devs could have already done that long ago...
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Bcm has provided us .so files of our gpu but it is compiled so of no use
there is a app called IDA Pro which can decompile .so files and we can get source from it and edit it.
Any dev familar with c++ and c languages can try this app
and get the source of our gpu.
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idm pro is used for reverse engineering... we can try to reverse engineer those .so files given by broadcom... which is very difficult...don't you think that devs could have already done that long ago...
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+1
i think no devs have tried the ida pro app to extract source from .so files
Try contact whitexp
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Reverse engineered code is extremely hard to read since all the names of functions and variables are lost in the compilation. It's even harder because it's a file that handles very complex gpu calculations
In short, never going to happen, all developers (especially whitexp) do know that you can reverse engineer the libs, but it would be so hard that it's not even an option
i can say one thing....when its not addet in white xp.s threads than its not the one what we need!!!!
I'm called for a job interview this Monday. They need someone to port some programs children play with on the web to Android. It's educational software that looks accessible to children.
My only experience with porting is working with Unity and going back and forth from PC to my Android phones. My problem is I don't know how porting is done exactly.
Let's say I want to port a Java program to Android. Do I have to create a layer of coding around the original Java source code and make it work with Android? Or is it just modifying the original source code to fit the new platform?
I searched multiple forums and countless google searches. I'm going insane. Please help me!
Thank you! :laugh:
Well I guess it depends. Unless you are using a cross-platform framework (e.g. Xamarin), then it would involve re-writing the code in Java.
If you already have some Java back end code (e.g. some servlet implementation), then I would just create an interface to this module and leave it as it is. No point in rewriting working code in a language that already runs on Android (unless your one of these people who can't help themselves and has to refactor everything to death).
i dont think there is much for u to do, if the games are web based, just build a laucher that links to the games, otherwise look for similar games in android version and install them as a package on all phones.
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