Guys, what is the purpose statement of XDA Developers? I am asking that because I figure that the purpose should be within the lines of providing end users most enjoyable smart phone, technology, gadget experience, keeping the users up-to-date about news and developments in the same arena, etc etc...
I am a Sony Xperia user and, sadly, due to the fact that we live in the United States, we are banned from using some of this end product. This product is Cyanogenmod, that is being developed by an "FXP" team that purposely chose a media sharing website that blocks IPs from the US. I did nothing to be a part of this political debacle but I can't enjoy Cyanogenmod anymore. We are also banned from mirroring this end product, is this something XDA or CM would approve?
Some of you might see me as moaning about the issue but I don't know where to go, how to ask for help because I should not be banned from using Cyanogenmod just because some development team has a political agenda. I would like to hear opinions and advice ...
As I recall, the ONLY rule of CyanogenMod is Don't ask for ETA's, not "don't ask for working download links", not "don't mirror files". We should not be forced to download through any other means than a working link. we should not have to download 3rd party software that we do not want in order to use the product.
What is the official tie between CM and FXP? Right now I am not able to use CM due to FXP, what does CM have to say about it? Do they know that FXP is banning the US users? (Technically, FXP is banning US users by uploading the product on a website that bans US IPs)
That may just be a team producing a version of the CM rom. Have you checked the CM site and see if a version of the rom is there?
If a dev requests that no mirrors should be posted, then they're within their rights to do so, as far as XDA is concerned.
As far as CM is concerned, I have no idea.
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Right now I am not able to use CM due to FXP...
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No-one's stopping you from getting ahold of the source code compiling it yourself.
But even if you did, the only reason CyanogenMod ROMs are a reality for the 2011 Xperia range is because of the work of the FreeXperia team, so you'd still owe them thanks.
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That may just be a team producing a version of the CM rom. Have you checked the CM site and see if a version of the rom is there?
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I haven't yet, I browsed around CM forums for different things before, but I will register there and try to find out. From what I understand at the Xperia arc forums, FXP is the team that does serve Xperia series phones with CM work. There are of course different devs that use the CM or Sony ROMs as a base for their own work, but FXP is the one that ports the CM for Xperias, I could be wrong, I will find out.
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If a dev requests that no mirrors should be posted, then they're within their rights to do so, as far as XDA is concerned
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So technically it would be against XDA rules to post a mirror? I just don't want to cross the line with XDA, and frankly I don't give a hoot what FXP thinks. I have seen so many users just complaining and complaining about not being able to download. I can grab the ROMs whatnot from friends overseas, but I also want to help those who can't. So I would assume a private mirror should not be a violation of XDA rules.
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No-one's stopping you from getting ahold of the source code compiling it yourself.
But even if you did, the only reason CyanogenMod ROMs are a reality for the 2011 Xperia range is because of the work of the FreeXperia team, so you'd still owe them thanks.
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I am not trying to start a debate here or I am trying to be a smartass. I know very well that FXP's work is not the only one I can use with my phones. If I could compile a ROM myself, then I would not have started this thread, so your point is moot. I am just concerned about a ton of users being blocked from using Cyanogenmod, something that doesn't belong to FXP if I understood correctly, for what reason? And I am basically trying to find out how to get around this nonsensical limitation imposed on us without bugging XDA. Anyone would agree that a smart phone user would need XDA in general more than any specific dev team.
If a Dev says not to mirror their work and you do then you will be breaking XDA rules.
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If a Dev says not to mirror their work and you do then you will be breaking XDA rules.
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Even if it is done privately?
Bushmaster78FS said:
I am not trying to start a debate here or I am trying to be a smartass.
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In the future, it would be advisable to use more diplomatic language then.
Accusing FXP of stopping you from using CM when they're the only reason it exists doesn't give the best impression.
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I am just concerned about a ton of users being blocked from using Cyanogenmod...
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The fact that certain download sites are blocked by the US government is hardly the fault of FXP nor is it a matter that XDA have any control over.
If you want to complain to someone, contact your Senator or Congressperson.
Anyway, this entire thread is now moot as FXP have kindly taken the time to respond to this matter already:
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you can always download cyanogen roms from cyanogen website
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In the future, it would be advisable to use more diplomatic language then.
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That is indeed what I was trying to convey knowing otherwise would earn me a ban, but my tone is out of frustration, I am not trying to offend anyone really.
The fact that certain download sites are blocked by the US government is hardly the fault of FXP nor is it a matter that XDA have any control over.
If you want to complain to someone, contact your Senator or Congressperson.
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Right, but US didn't block the current upload website, they did block US in protest of MegaUpload (which is something I learned from the net of course) I have no interest in the politics of it, but I am suffering from it.
Anyway, this entire thread is now moot as FXP have kindly taken the time to respond to this matter already:
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I agree and I got my answer.
Workaround:
Go to daveproxy.co.uk
Copy>Paste the CM URL
Go, and allow scripts cookies and stuff
download
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profit
I tried that one and many other proxies as well. I can go all the way to the start link but then ul.to says all servers busy, register for premium... My friend overseas doesn't have this problem.
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I seen this rom on android central some guy and didnt notice it was in the DINC. forum. So i took a look at it just wondering if it was possible to port this over to the Droid Inc. Looks to be a pretty kick a** rom. If some devs could take a look and let me know if this seems like a good idea and if it is possible. Thank you...
Here is the site....
http://www.blackdroidmod.com/
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I seen this rom on android central some guy and didnt notice it was in the DINC. forum. So i took a look at it just wondering if it was possible to port this over to the Droid Inc. Looks to be a pretty kick a** rom. If some devs could take a look and let me know if this seems like a good idea and if it is possible. Thank you...
Here is the site....
http://www.blackdroidmod.com/
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I'm sure I"m going to sound like an ass with this statement, but I don't think you will find much BD support here as he is a tool. Good day.
Yeah that is what i hear, you dont sound like an ass i agree with you on BD, just thought it was worth a shot to make something better cause there is definantly a good team of DEVS for the DInc. but thank you for the feed back.
Yeah koush is working on porting cyanog.. I mean blackdroids rom.
Just be careful if you decide to port it yourself, Blackdroid is known for distributing warez in his roms, which is why he has been banned from at least one forum I can think of.
Ok well i least i got some answers that's all i really wanted. Thanks guys....
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Just be careful if you decide to port it yourself, Blackdroid is known for distributing warez in his roms, which is why he has been banned from at least one forum I can think of.
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LOL warez like what? I wonder how many of those forum mods/admins are running pirated windows and download software and music and movies.
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LOL warez like what? I wonder how many of those forum mods/admins are running pirated windows and download software and music and movies.
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regardless if they are, they are not distributing it to the public
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regardless if they are, they are not distributing it to the public
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What kind of warez was he distributing with his ROMs
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LOL warez like what? I wonder how many of those forum mods/admins are running pirated windows and download software and music and movies.
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TNS201 said:
What kind of warez was he distributing with his ROMs
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I understand what you are saying, many people run illegal software or pirate media files, however (and I will not argue the ethics of these actions, as they are a matter of personal choice and carry with them potential legal consequences that must be accepted) choosing to put yourself at risk is entirely different than imposing that choice on a forum. By posting material that includes warez, you force the hands of the moderators because if they fail to take action the forum could be liable as well.
Anyway, he had a few roms that included paid apps that he used without permission. I don't know if that is still the case, because I do not use his roms.
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LOL warez like what? I wonder how many of those forum mods/admins are running pirated windows and download software and music and movies.
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i think it was over swype or setcpu. stupid ****.
Please dont take this as me defending the guy but isn't the real reason everyone is over this guy because he was relabeling Petes roms as his own? I mean come on, I have been loading roms from this forum for years and there has been plenty of distributed wares over the years with no backlash like this. That being said, ripping Pete off and being a SOB is reason enough so lets just call it what it is.
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Please dont take this as me defending the guy but isn't the real reason everyone is over this guy because he was relabeling Petes roms as his own? I mean come on, I have been loading roms from this forum for years and there has been plenty of distributed wares over the years with no backlash like this. That being said, ripping Pete off and being a SOB is reason enough so lets just call it what it is.
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Yes. Booted from Alldroid for re-branding Petes ROMS as his own and from droidforums for re-branding CyanogenMod as his own. Not sure who he is kanging these days but I won't touch his ROMS.
Delete This
You better delete this. There is a reason these roms are not on xda
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habarug said:
you better delete this. There is a reason these roms are not on xda
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and why is that ?
Sorry to say Feeyo was band so his work is not welcome here
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Sorry to say Feeyo was band so his work is not welcome here
Sent from my HTC Hero running Cronos Ginger X using Tapatalk
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Damn! i had no idea how can i delete the thread ?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=7663719&postcount=802
could be fun to leave this "delete this" thread around for a little while before killing it off... I for one have plenty of things I'd like to say and then have deleted.
could we all just start posting random **** here with the knowledge that it will soon be deleted?
Like if we all had a chance to do something crazy and say whatever was on our minds and know that it would all be erased from history, what would each of us say?
heh heh
don u tripping?? sounds like u've been smoking alotta pot mate
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don u tripping?? sounds like u've been smoking alotta pot mate
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heh heh whooooaaahh
;-)
actually listening to radiohead while at work... radiohead messes with your head a bit...
wtf we all gonna get banned for bumping **** in this thread^^
Well only on the HTC Hero forums people are like AAA its feeyo stuff remove it :O
You guys ever looked on the magic forums? There is a cronos rom on there. and well mods never been in there to say. guys this is crap. remove it....
Most guys who go about this Feeyo stuff act like your 12 or something and your parents said. that is was utherly bad. But some logic thinking and objectiv reading you can see that it was just a stupid war who has the best rom. back then it was.... and it is still the case.
Now he is doing everything according to all the rules known, and well I think the more stuff we got, the more we can base stuff on it. I am so in the mood to post a topic about all the cronos roms XD and if I get banned then. Well then that is just silly and sad
Guys grow up. he was banned like a year a go?? The past is the past. and well he did get the GB roms to what we are currently using so we should remove all the GB roms?? cuss most stuff CM needed to get GB working commes from Feeyo. so lets delete all GB roms...
guess my point is clear. It is darn open source.. and you all act like its not.
Lirasina said:
guess my point is clear. It is darn open source.. and you all act like its not.
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LOL. That is an exact sentiment many have expressed about Feeyo, you're right Android is open source, but Feeyo did not follow the GNU/GPL guidelines. Hence the reason he was banned.
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LOL. That is an exact sentiment many have expressed about Feeyo, you're right Android is open source, but Feeyo did not follow the GNU/GPL guidelines. Hence the reason he was banned.
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That is correct. But the stuff he creates now does follow those things, so there is no reason for not allowing someone to post it on XDA. Well it is easy, if I smash Fly13 in it and then post it. its a different rom :O
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That is correct. But the stuff he creates now does follow those things, so there is no reason for not allowing someone to post it on XDA. Well it is easy, if I smash Fly13 in it and then post it. its a different rom :O
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Well if you can prove that Feeyo is regularly pushing and committing his changes to github or a similar code hosting site, then yes there wouldn't be a problem.
Also your second point, I totally disagree with, its not a different 'ROM' at all but merely the same 'ROM' but with an newer or older kernel. At best, its a patch.
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Lirasina said:
That is correct. But the stuff he creates now does follow those things, so there is no reason for not allowing someone to post it on XDA. Well it is easy, if I smash Fly13 in it and then post it. its a different rom :O
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I agree with you and also think that the whole thing is ironic since all sense roms and many other roms built on xda break rules also. but whatever... as JieeHD said, it doesn't adhere to GNU/GPL guidelines, but it isn't actually illegal to not follow those particular guidelines. It IS however not allowed and xda is big on gpl compliance, as it should be I suppose, so this all makes sense.
People get way too involved in defending the (imho rather flawed) GNU/GPL guidelines.
This is one reason why I only release software under much more open licenses. GNU/GPL is designed with good sharing values in mind but it unfortunately has proven to bring out a rather militant side of some people - which is the exact opposite to the values that brought together those of us who were the original developers of open source software back in the 80s.
The rules and regulations were originally added to prevent people from using open source code in commercial apps without giving full credit and asking permission first.
And the accusation was that Feeyo was doing that same thing - using open source code and yet not giving credit where it was due and claiming it was his own code in his kernel.
I have seen evidence showing both sides of the matter, both showing the code to be the same in parts, and yet the evidence has shown at times other devs to have written it before feeyo, and yet in other examples it has shown feeyo to have written it first before other devs.
He has stood his ground consistently as have the accusers in this case.
The problem, however, is that the guidelines of the gpl say that the developer must provide full source code when asked. So when feeyo has refused to do so, the assumption has always been that he has been stealing code or claiming other's code as his own.
When in fact, all he has ever been proven to have done that I'm aware of is not providing code when asked to do so. edit: and yes, this does break gpl guidelines... but it's always been considered a rather small infraction other than with Feeyo for some reason.
In the end he did change everything to comply and he has complied for the better part of a year now.
Since complying is all that is required to be free and legal again according to the gnu/gpl regulations, his roms and code should be fine to post here now.
however as a member he himself is still banned afaik. but if someone posts his work it should be just fine, and as noted other forums have no issue with his work and actually welcome it.
I was really involved in the whole thing and a friend of one of the people who was involved in feeyo being accused in the first case. But I also like feeyo and have a lot of respect for him as he has made great roms and his support is second to none.
Just adding my 3 cents worth ;-)
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Dude, you a are in danger now
Hectic! Don, you and others, have mentioned "the one of whom we shall not speak" again.
Just to clarify, are we at least allowed to talk about him? This sounds more and more like the law that the S.A. Government is trying to pass through our Parliament today. Objectors will be wearing black armbands in protest. The Govt. don't want to include a "Public Interest clause" ( relating to the Secrecy Act)in our constitution. This means that even if Govt. members have done something that can adversely affect the public at large, you can get a jail sentence of up to 15 years for even being in possession of such information, never mind divulging this information to anyone.
Makes you think Huh?
Okay... IF it is so that Feeyo now is publishing his code and all that... then I think we should do this the proper way and ASK the mods if they can remove the ban. As far I know It's just a temporary ban. So if you do this and the mods let him in, I'll never speak of "the unmentiomable" again
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Unfortunately it was a permaban after Feeyo broke rules by creating another acount whilst being temp banned.
I wish it were different, Feeyo is a great dev and for most of us has had a positive impact on the whole hero experience.
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and it's always exciting when he's here LoL.... ah, I miss the drama...
when the rule on XDA is:
If you are developing something that is based on the work of another Member, and HTC is no member, why to hold for only one member the right to post ROM's based on HTC work (RUU, OTA, etc)???
And, when a new RUU of OTA is used for developing a ROM, why have the right to don't share with other developers the source and keep only for himself whatever his name is???
Acceptance of such policy will not help HTC community at all, as already proven and give mods just headache.:crying:
P.S. This question is also for mods, the simply answer is to ...don't answer of close thread of delete it but there are coming many annoying new conflicting rules witch make XDA a private club in stead of Share and Care community!
Thanks Laurentius26, I have change the title of this thread.
P.P.S. Rule : Sources need to be posted for all kernels!!! but why not for ROM's also???
P.P.P.S thanks Laurentius26 thread title changed again!
Not a stupid but a good question.
It's because those people can't cook, they need to stay ahead a few steps so they have time to
process the hard work of those other developers in there roms (the people who do share there personal development).
It's pathetic what these cookers do to my opinion, but XDA can't force those people to share.
If you ask those cookers to share, they always have excuses like 'I need to protect my sources' blablabla....
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Not a stupid but a good question.
It's because those people can't cook, they need to stay ahead a few steps so they have time to
process the hard work of those other developers in there roms (the people who do share there personal development).
It's pathetic what these cookers do to my opinion, but XDA can't force those people to share.
If you ask those cookers to share, they always have excuses like 'I need to protect my sources' blablabla....
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(One of the reasons why I go with CM as the only custom rom . Btw this is an old case. And its not just about ROM Cookers but also Kernel "Somethingers" source, patch, mod gatherers ? I do not know how to call them.
Lately there are kernels cooked up with ppl gathering other ppl sources(even through other devices the dev never own and never will) without acknowledgement to the real dev. These ppl having the title "recognized developer" with over 10k thanks feel safe doing so as no one dares to oppose them.
And Laurentius, whats worst, the major community of XDA will back them up in hope for a praise from them or acknowledgement, or a new rom kernel.
Or there is another phenomenon happening, when asking for a fix, feature, just suggesting a functionality. You get an answer "if you dont like it, do not use it" before it was "Ah good idea, I might try it out" or at least "I have no time for this, sorry, but maybe someone else can look into it"
So the real problem is not the Cooker, Gatherer , but the sheepish community not seeing whats happening. That he can exploit something is just his own cleverness.
Trust me, it happens in every forum, even my old one
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I want to step back for a second and remember if we judge each individual with the same set of rules.
And let's not forget that someone else had raised this problem some time ago and now supports the OP.
I think my information is right, please correct me if not.
I totally agree, I can understand when some people say I need to protect my sources such as Football and Xmoo, who do a great deal for this community, but still cannot share everything as they do have sources that could be jepordised by releasing things.
But I do agree that ROM Cookers are getting pissy and perhaps lazy or bored with the community and are now doing it for that "Donate" purpose.
Also, whats doing my head in, and what you may not have seen or agree with but people putting "Use Search" in EVERY THREAD that is being made is really doing my head in. If they keep doing that, when people do search they will only find threads with answers saying "Use the Search"
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Wilks3y said:
I totally agree, I can understand when some people say I need to protect my sources such as Football and Xmoo, who do a great deal for this community, but still cannot share everything as they do have sources that could be jepordised by releasing things.
But I do agree that ROM Cookers are getting pissy and perhaps lazy or bored with the community and are now doing it for that "Donate" purpose.
Also, whats doing my head in, and what you may not have seen or agree with but people putting "Use Search" in EVERY THREAD that is being made is really doing my head in. If they keep doing that, when people do search they will only find threads with answers saying "Use the Search"
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The selfishness is coming because of fame purposes which names I don't want to mention. But honestly they are annoying, and before I flash certain dev's ROMs even if I get certain leaks I rather live without the leaks and have no source of information instead off all this silly *****ing between two high school girls.
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bippolinno said:
when the rule on XDA is:
If you are developing something that is based on the work of another Member, and HTC is no member, why to hold for only one member the right to post ROM's based on HTC work (RUU, OTA, etc)???
And, when a new RUU of OTA is used for developing a ROM, why have the right to don't share with other developers the source and keep only for himself whatever his name is???
Acceptance of such policy will not help HTC community at all, as already proven and give mods just headache.:crying:
P.S. This question is also for mods, the simply answer is to ...don't answer of close thread of delete it but there are coming many annoying new conflicting rules witch make XDA a private club in stead of Share and Care community!
Thanks Laurentius26, I have change the title of this thread.
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The issue here is the latest JB Sense OTA. This was meant for internal testing purposes for HTC Elevate members and we all signed a Non-Disclosure Agreement before we were accepted onto the programme. Now, someone (and I don't know who) still felt the need to leak this file, even after signing a LEGAL DOCUMENT stating they wouldn't so you can ***** all you want but, to be honest, the RUUs shouldn't be leaking if they've come from a confidential source...
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The issue here is the latest JB Sense OTA. This was meant for internal testing purposes for HTC Elevate members and we all signed a Non-Disclosure Agreement before we were accepted onto the programme. Now, someone (and I don't know who) still felt the need to leak this file, even after signing a LEGAL DOCUMENT stating they wouldn't so you can ***** all you want but, to be honest, the RUUs shouldn't be leaking if they've come from a confidential source...
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Eddy your comment doesn't bring anything to the issue at hand. Please read it again. I wouldn't say he is *****ing.
That it shouldn't leak in the first place is not the issue this is about.
Even with what you say it still means, someone took someone else work and is currently "enriching" himself. Breaking laws in process is just an added bonus. And I guess in this case the mods should close those threads with the leaks. Shouldn't they?
Its about, I will share it, but first download "my" work in 2 days you can play with it too.
So there is no such thing as "BUT" or exceptions. No 2 days of not sharing source if you put a rom out based on. In which case these threads have to be stopped immediately after someone refuses to share it. Or heck even before if it breaks some legal documents.
How come you aren't pursuing this with mods to close those threads down?
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The issue here is the latest JB Sense OTA. This was meant for internal testing purposes for HTC Elevate members and we all signed a Non-Disclosure Agreement before we were accepted onto the programme. Now, someone (and I don't know who) still felt the need to leak this file, even after signing a LEGAL DOCUMENT stating they wouldn't so you can ***** all you want but, to be honest, the RUUs shouldn't be leaking if they've come from a confidential source...
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OK that I understand but when using the source for your own ROM only, means no leak from confidential source???
And as I said why source for kernels and not for ROM's???
The current issue is not related to the Elevate leak.
bippolinno said:
when the rule on XDA is:
If you are developing something that is based on the work of another Member, and HTC is no member, why to hold for only one member the right to post ROM's based on HTC work (RUU, OTA, etc)???
And, when a new RUU of OTA is used for developing a ROM, why have the right to don't share with other developers the source and keep only for himself whatever his name is???
Acceptance of such policy will not help HTC community at all, as already proven and give mods just headache.:crying:
P.S. This question is also for mods, the simply answer is to ...don't answer of close thread of delete it but there are coming many annoying new conflicting rules witch make XDA a private club in stead of Share and Care community!
Thanks Laurentius26, I have change the title of this thread.
P.P.S. Rule : Sources need to be posted for all kernels!!! but why not for ROM's also???
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If you don't like how things are being handled you can always look on your own for sources and share them as you please (or as you can). Or maybe ask HTC for it.
The cook got hold something, let him use it as he pleases. He should have to do anything just because somebody else is *****ing about it.
If the way he handle things is not good enough for you, just ignore him.
Also, android's kernels are linux's so they have to be open source
Not the same with roms, since htc got closed source stuff inside
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If you don't like how things are being handled you can always look on your own for sources and share them as you please (or as you can). Or maybe ask HTC for it.
The cook got hold something, let him use it as he pleases. He should have to do anything just because somebody else is *****ing about it.
If the way he handle things is not good enough for you, just ignore him.
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A little off topic but I want to mention this one here, cooker/ROM creator baadnews, he was blaming HTC for slow updates a few weeks ago, he was telling why he is going to get s3.. its such a shame that people do not respect the work HTC puts behind sense interface. People like baadnews modify a few things, get reputation on XDA, get some donations and then start blaming htc? The company because of whom you are recognised as a developer in this forum? This is very very unfortunate... at least not expected from a developer like him... anyways...
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A little off topic but I want to mention this one here, cooker/ROM creator baadnews, he was blaming HTC for slow updates a few weeks ago, he was telling why he is going to get s3.. its such a shame that people do not respect the work HTC puts behind sense interface. People like baadnews modify a few things, get reputation on XDA, get some donations and then start blaming htc? The company because of whom you are recognised as a developer in this forum? This is very very unfortunate... at least not expected from a developer like him... anyways...
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yea i agree with you, people should be complaining less =P
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The current issue is not related to the Elevate leak.
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It might not be, I was just using it as an example
fredfb said:
If you don't like how things are being handled you can always look on your own for sources and share them as you please (or as you can). Or maybe ask HTC for it.
The cook got hold something, let him use it as he pleases. He should have to do anything just because somebody else is *****ing about it.
If the way he handle things is not good enough for you, just ignore him.
Also, android's kernels are linux's so they have to be open source
Not the same with roms, since htc got closed source stuff inside
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U could be right when not on XDA forums but here happens to be a place to share and care an not for private ROM's.
And FYI I have always supported developers cooking ROM's from scratch with respect for other developers work, I am totally against kang-ers, but this thread is for giving all developers same chance and to make XDA community better!
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A little off topic but I want to mention this one here, cooker/ROM creator baadnews, he was blaming HTC for slow updates a few weeks ago, he was telling why he is going to get s3.. its such a shame that people do not respect the work HTC puts behind sense interface. People like baadnews modify a few things, get reputation on XDA, get some donations and then start blaming htc? The company because of whom you are recognised as a developer in this forum? This is very very unfortunate... at least not expected from a developer like him... anyways...
Sent from my HTC One X
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It's rude to just single out certain people, baad has provided us with lots of good things so don't go have a go at him. If I'm thinking correctly he brought us the first jb sense rom and guide how to flash it.
My personal views is that everyone should share whatever they have/create.
This way people can see how and what is done. The only reason I see for some users not sharing, is like the other user posted, they don't want something they "created" in another ROM as they want all the "attention" to themselves, or they are scared that their ROM will become less popular, which I don't see as a problem, if someone prefers another ROM fine, let them use it.
If everybody was open about everything and shared, the rom/kernel development would be of twice the level it is at currently, it would benefit everyone, roms/kernels would have twice the amount of features.
But we still have those individuals who want to be ahead of everyone else and look "the best".
Just my two cents.
I really think this thread should be closed and deleted. It's only full of rant.
And it looks like we aren't even sticking to the subject and we are discussing other situations/developers.
Nevertheless, we are all very ungratefull people. I am really looking forword to see your work, RUU's, leak's etc.
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It's rude to just single out certain people, baad has provided us with lots of good things so don't go have a go at him. If I'm thinking correctly he brought us the first jb sense rom and guide how to flash it.
My personal views is that everyone should share whatever they have/create.
This way people can see how and what is done. The only reason I see for some users not sharing, is like the other user posted, they don't want something they "created" in another ROM as they want all the "attention" to themselves, or they are scared that their ROM will become less popular, which I don't see as a problem, if someone prefers another ROM fine, let them use it.
If everybody was open about everything and shared, the rom/kernel development would be of twice the level it is at currently, it would benefit everyone, roms/kernels would have twice the amount of features.
But we still have those individuals who want to be ahead of everyone else and look "the best".
Just my two cents.
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Its not rude, its a fact. I told what he did, there may be others like him too... I saw him, I pointed out the mistake, nothing against him... main point was to tell people to stop complaining, respect what HTC have given us, one x is a masterpiece
Sent from my HTC One X
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Eddy your comment doesn't bring anything to the issue at hand. Please read it again. I wouldn't say he is *****ing.
That it shouldn't leak in the first place is not the issue this is about.
Even with what you say it still means, someone took someone else work and is currently "enriching" himself. Breaking laws in process is just an added bonus. And I guess in this case the mods should close those threads with the leaks. Shouldn't they?
Its about, I will share it, but first download "my" work in 2 days you can play with it too.
So there is no such thing as "BUT" or exceptions. No 2 days of not sharing source if you put a rom out based on. In which case these threads have to be stopped immediately after someone refuses to share it. Or heck even before if it breaks some legal documents.
How come you aren't pursuing this with mods to close those threads down?
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1. It's not up to me to get threads closed, I was just stating that that specific OTA should never have seen the light of day
2. The OP isn't exactly clear
If you're on about people holding files until they have their ROM out first then I agree that it's a bit wrong but, at the end of the day, it's there choice
Hello, guys.
As far as you know, some time ago Xiaomi stopped supporting our device, so, basically, after official 4.1 had come out, we have to inform them about that. So, if we gather together, we can get a nice and fast ROM for our device in some time. In my opinion, it's one of the best ROMs, and I personally think that it's really important for our device. Thanks.
Here is the link:
https://www.change.org/petitions/xi...&utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=share_petition
Gallardo994 said:
Hello, guys.
As far as you know, some time ago Xiaomi stopped supporting our device, so, basically, after official 4.1 had come out, we have to inform them about that. So, if we gather together, we can get a nice and fast ROM for our device in some time. In my opinion, it's one of the best ROMs, and I personally think that it's really important for our device. Thanks.
Here is the link:
https://www.change.org/petitions/xi...&utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=share_petition
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They simply cant support the device because of problem which could BRICK our phones. For safety reasons they discontinued support.
They cannot be blamed. They do awesome job.
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They simply cant support the device because of problem which could BRICK our phones. For safety reasons they discontinued support.
They cannot be blamed. They do awesome job.
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If they develop under the Offcial Kernel they don't have that problem... or am I mistaken ?!
Previous versions ran over stock kernel, over Locked Bootladers... and where simply amazing!
electrash said:
They simply cant support the device because of problem which could BRICK our phones. For safety reasons they discontinued support.
They cannot be blamed. They do awesome job.
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That are just false pretenses. There can't be anything that can brick our phone. Let me remind you, that a firmware consists of a bunch of /system files and a kernel. They can simply take an official kernel and edit it a bit. Even if so, we can just reflash it using fastboot. One more time, there is nothing that can brick our phone.
Their main reason May be that so you would force them to reveal the changes they always to the kernel under the GPL and this company has never followed the GPL.
Wayne Tech Nexus
zelendel said:
Their main reason May be that so you would force them to reveal the changes they always to the kernel under the GPL and this company has never followed the GPL.
Wayne Tech Nexus
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That won't help us. At least the petition can be our chance.
Your not gonna find much help here. MIUI is not respected here to begin with. Your best bet is to try their site. As MIUI is on it's way to being banned from every tech site due to their lack of following the GPL and stealing of other developers work. I wish you luck but don't hold out to hope.
Wayne Tech Nexus
Gallardo994 said:
That are just false pretenses. There can't be anything that can brick our phone. Let me remind you, that a firmware consists of a bunch of /system files and a kernel. They can simply take an official kernel and edit it a bit. Even if so, we can just reflash it using fastboot. One more time, there is nothing that can brick our phone.
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Flash someone's else TA in your phone and you'll know Mr. Hard-Brick.
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RHBH said:
Flash someone's else TA in your phone and you'll know Mr. Hard-Brick.
Sent from my Xperia S using Tapatalk 4
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Well, he probably meant it in limits of MIUI ROMs.
Would Cyanogen Mod be interested in developing for this phone now that we have unlocked bootloader? Given the choice, I'd love Paranoid Android, but I went hold my breath.
CM is already in development . https://github.com/CM-zenfone2
BrokenROM https://github.com/BrokenROM/device_asus_moorefield
Seems that are only for ZE551ML I hope that will be compatible with ZE550ML
If someone can get pure AOSP or CM working, the ROMs will flow out like water... once a base is established building many ROMs is easy. If we get CM, then look for ROMs like Beanstalk, BlissPop, Carbon, , etc. to follow closely behind. Patience, it will happen...
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CM is already in development . https://github.com/CM-zenfone2
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Yay! I really hope Paranoid Android follows suit. I LOVE Pa's Halo feature.
custom roms will help this phone.zenny 2 has one of the worst stock firmware optimization ever and seems like asus cant fix the problems.
Be patient guys, I just sent a couple developers phones this week.
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Be patient guys, I just sent a couple developers phones this week.
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Cool! I see lots of potential ROM development for this phone!
Sent from my ASUS_Z00AD using XDA Free mobile app
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Be patient guys, I just sent a couple developers phones this week.
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Good to see Asus is showing commitment to this phone. Also great to see you guys are embracing the aftermarket ROM community. More vendors need to be supportive like this.
We love the enthusiast community - you guys are the ones that like to tinker and have contributed to our growth over the years when we were just a motherboard vendor. I bet many of you still have fond memories of building PCs with our components before tinkering with phones .
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Be patient guys, I just sent a couple developers phones this week.
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Awesome! Is there/will there be collaboration with the developers regarding the kernel and device tree from ASUS as well? That would be key to have a fully-working custom ROM in the nearer future (versus the developers having to learn from scratch and sort of fend for themselves, kludging their way along and delaying the end goal).
So exciting!
We post our kernel source, but that's all we can offer, unfortunately. Our software development is done at our Taiwan HQ. But if any devs need anything, just send me a PM and I'll ask our software team.
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We love the enthusiast community - you guys are the ones that like to tinker and have contributed to our growth over the years when we were just a motherboard vendor. I bet many of you still have fond memories of building PCs with our components before tinkering with phones .
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We post our kernel source, but that's all we can offer, unfortunately. Our software development is done at our Taiwan HQ. But if any devs need anything, just send me a PM and I'll ask our software team.
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Just got one single request... Open an official outlet or distributer in Pakistan... I am buying your items off international vendors without warranties... Would love to see if I can get some support locally...
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We post our kernel source, but that's all we can offer, unfortunately. Our software development is done at our Taiwan HQ. But if any devs need anything, just send me a PM and I'll ask our software team.
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CC: @TheSSJ, @shakalaca, @jrior001, @crpalmer, @sorg, @Harfainx, @vampirefo and other zf2 developers.. :victory:
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Be patient guys, I just sent a couple developers phones this week.
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This makes not much sense to me honestly. Why locking a bootloader in the first place and then stating to push development hard by providing test phones to specified devs?
But still I want to thank you for your commitment in making this phone a huge success - we'll kick Galaxy and Xperia and the likes out once done
Good thing to see Asus sharing to make custom ROMs efficient.
Already on Harfainx's ROM, can't wait to see things going even further.
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Just got one single request... Open an official outlet or distributer in Pakistan... I am buying your items off international vendors without warranties... Would love to see if I can get some support locally...
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Unfortunately in only responsible for North America and have no say for any other regions.
TheSSJ said:
This makes not much sense to me honestly. Why locking a bootloader in the first place and then stating to push development hard by providing test phones to specified devs?
But still I want to thank you for your commitment in making this phone a huge success - we'll kick Galaxy and Xperia and the likes out once done
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This is my push from Technical Marketing for North America due to needs and wants for the US market. I place great emphasis on the community that has made many of the previous phones I've owned so great. I want that for the ZF2.
I'll probably start development for this phone once i get it. Never worked with an x86 android device before but it sounds like a fun challenge
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This is my push from Technical Marketing for North America due to needs and wants for the US market. I place great emphasis on the community that has made many of the previous phones I've owned so great. I want that for the ZF2.
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Hi,
I've got some sort of situation here concerning building the kernel for ZF2 on my own. I downloaded the kernel source from ASUS website and followed the instructions one by one (download the android source code, use the appropriate toolchain, issue the kernel build command using fhd_defconfig, etc.
The phone boots and works good, BUT:
The phone never gets to deep sleep mode because of hsic_s3_wlock (kernel wakelock from USB HSIC). Could you please ask someone from the technical department to check what is causing this or if any config entry is missing? I am really starting to doubt that this is something I can influence at all