Treat this firmly with a pinch of salt, but Concept-Phones have a render of the Xperia PLAY 2 that they have been told is indeed real. It was sent over by Jsus, who has created a number of different Xperia concept renders in the past. Our sources have not mentioned anything about a new iteration of the Xperia PLAY, but that’s not to say it’s not in development. Concept-Phones says the handset will come with a 4.3-inch (720 x 1280) display , 1.5GHz dual-core S4 Snapdragon processor and 8.1MP camera with LED flash.
There are a few things about the phone that do not look right to us (if indeed it is real). For example, the transparent strip, seen as part of the Iconic Identity of the new Xperia handsets, would probably be covered by the joypad when closed. Therefore it would serve no purpose in terms of notifications. Also there are four capacitive buttons at the bottom of the handset that would probably not be needed under Android 4.0 ICS. Anyway, have a look at the larger image below and tell us what you think. We say it’s strictly a concept, but you can never say never.
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If it is or isnt, looks very smart to me
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thats what xperia play 1 should have been lol any ideas if the new one will have the things the old play neglected like video out bravia etc only problem is the touchpads id say if they were made like that theyed be even harder to play with Vita nubs would be the SH**
I hope this doesn't come out...Beyond the camera and the processor, there is nothing new to the phone. They need to add physical joysticks to the device, whether it be Vita-esque nubs, or slide around pads like the 3DS and PSP. I HATE using the touch pads, and I think a lot of people would agree with that. And I know tons of folks want those L2 and R2 buttons. I would hardly see a point to this phone without those upgrades. Sure the processor would be a nice upgrade, but I could certainly care less about the camera. This is just my personal opinion, but I definitely wouldn't buy this as it's hardly a big advancement from the original.
I truly do hope they aren't stupid enough to change the resolution and screw up it's hundreds of working games.
What they need to do for Xperia PLAY 2 is keep as much of the original intact as they possibly can, while making enough changes to the core technology so that it's future proofed. That way they wouldn't have undone all the current accomplishments. Honestly the only things *wrong* with the Xperia PLAY are that it has only 400MB of memory, a processor+gpu that are clocked below current standards, and that we could sacrifice a thinner profile for physical analogs..
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DrReD said:
Treat this firmly with a pinch of salt, but Concept-Phones have a render of the Xperia PLAY 2 that they have been told is indeed real. It was sent over by Jsus, who has created a number of different Xperia concept renders in the past. Our sources have not mentioned anything about a new iteration of the Xperia PLAY, but that’s not to say it’s not in development. Concept-Phones says the handset will come with a 4.3-inch (720 x 1280) display , 1.5GHz dual-core S4 Snapdragon processor and 8.1MP camera with LED flash.
There are a few things about the phone that do not look right to us (if indeed it is real). For example, the transparent strip, seen as part of the Iconic Identity of the new Xperia handsets, would probably be covered by the joypad when closed. Therefore it would serve no purpose in terms of notifications. Also there are four capacitive buttons at the bottom of the handset that would probably not be needed under Android 4.0 ICS. Anyway, have a look at the larger image below and tell us what you think. We say it’s strictly a concept, but you can never say never.
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Whether its fake or not I think its looks sweet. I would love to have a higher resoltuion but I agree with TLtheory that for compatibility of older Xplay games it would be best focus in core upgrades.
Maybe they can creat a patch file for select games to upscale to fit the 720 screen or maybe just create a way for the device to just auto upscale, granted it would take a hit on the processor..... just some ideas for the grain of salt
Hope this is fake... Just bought my xperia play a week ago.
Too much focus on Android in the info and not enough Playstation. Does it have L2 and R2 buttons? A better D-pad? Better Touchpads?
Fugly doesn't start to describe it, it has nothing of the Human Curvature design which is really cool and it has much of I-wanna-be-an-SGS2... I welcome the specs bumps however, though they won't bring a spanking super high end smartphone it will certainly be a bit more current than the Play's when it came out. I'd like a higher dpi which can match the Neo's. Games are supposed to look crisp.
Logseman said:
it has much of I-wanna-be-an-SGS2...
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It doesn't look anything like an SGS2, it looks cool
The Alpha Gamer said:
It doesn't look anything like an SGS2, it looks cool
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Fisrt thing I thought when I saw it was it looked like a HTC phone with Xperia PLAY gamepad........ seriously though the top looks like the HTC everything...... evo, inspire (Desire HD) etc.
DrReD said:
Treat this firmly with a pinch of salt, but Concept-Phones have a render of the Xperia PLAY 2 that they have been told is indeed real. It was sent over by Jsus, who has created a number of different Xperia concept renders in the past. Our sources have not mentioned anything about a new iteration of the Xperia PLAY, but that’s not to say it’s not in development. Concept-Phones says the handset will come with a 4.3-inch (720 x 1280) display , 1.5GHz dual-core S4 Snapdragon processor and 8.1MP camera with LED flash.
There are a few things about the phone that do not look right to us (if indeed it is real). For example, the transparent strip, seen as part of the Iconic Identity of the new Xperia handsets, would probably be covered by the joypad when closed. Therefore it would serve no purpose in terms of notifications. Also there are four capacitive buttons at the bottom of the handset that would probably not be needed under Android 4.0 ICS. Anyway, have a look at the larger image below and tell us what you think. We say it’s strictly a concept, but you can never say never.
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hey mate
copy and paste from xperiablog ...
i've put my comment there , if that is X-play 2 , that is veeeeeeeery ugly ...
jgregoryj1 said:
Fisrt thing I thought when I saw it was it looked like a HTC phone with Xperia PLAY gamepad........ seriously though the top looks like the HTC everything...... evo, inspire (Desire HD) etc.
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HTC yeah, but not a SGS2
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It doesn't look anything like an SGS2, it looks cool
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This design looks bland in comparison with masterpieces like the Arc or the Nokia Communicator (another cool rectangular slider, btw). I mention the SGS2 because the screen size is the same. I could say an HTC phone like the other fellow said. They look all the same, these days. As long as people keep obsessed with phones as thick as a coin we will keep seeing slab after slab. I hope someone in the Android realm will break away from that craze and bring us something with a nice design irrespective of whether you can tell it apart from a piece of paper while looking sideways.
jgregoryj1 said:
Fisrt thing I thought when I saw it was it looked like a HTC phone with Xperia PLAY gamepad........ seriously though the top looks like the HTC everything...... evo, inspire (Desire HD) etc.
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Same here. It looks exactly like a HTC product cause of the squarish design.
Sony would never come up with that.
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Same here. It looks exactly like a HTC product cause of the squarish design.
Sony would never come up with that.
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I read a recent article that DID say HTC would be the first 3rd party to get the Playstation certification on some of their phones.
Yet another thing that was promised last year but never happened.
It looks so horrible i'm not quite sure how to convey it in words. I REALLY hope its fake...
Seriously though, the important part is the analog sticks, we need analog sticks, a volume rocker better designed to do double duty as R2/L2, and an up to date high powered soc/ram etc, that's all I could really ask for.
If my phone has to be 1.6mm thicker to accommodate real analog sticks, I DON'T CARE TAKE MY MONEY.
Mael5trom said:
It looks so horrible i'm not quite sure how to convey it in words. I REALLY hope its fake...
Seriously though, the important part is the analog sticks, we need analog sticks, a volume rocker better designed to do double duty as R2/L2, and an up to date high powered soc/ram etc, that's all I could really ask for.
If my phone has to be 1.6mm thicker to accommodate real analog sticks, I DON'T CARE TAKE MY MONEY.
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Agreed. It does look horrible. Nowhere near a Sony product. It's like someone just made it up in their mind and posted a pic.
It has to be fake !
Mael5trom said:
It looks so horrible i'm not quite sure how to convey it in words. I REALLY hope its fake...
Seriously though, the important part is the analog sticks, we need analog sticks, a volume rocker better designed to do double duty as R2/L2, and an up to date high powered soc/ram etc, that's all I could really ask for.
If my phone has to be 1.6mm thicker to accommodate real analog sticks, I DON'T CARE TAKE MY MONEY.
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We definitely do NOT need that, being able to turn the volume up and down during a game is a wee bit more important.
Rogue Leader said:
We definitely do NOT need that, being able to turn the volume up and down during a game is a wee bit more important.
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Yeah, the most important thing is dedicated L2 and R2 buttons!
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is it possible / will be possible that the HTC DESIRE will record Video in more than 15 FBS?? maybe in HD quality ?
if no - why is that so ??
and is there any chance that it will get an landscap view on the music player?
thanks a lot...
no. Why? Cuz HTC is a tool. Lots of promises and non kept so far. Go with Samsung galaxy or anything else. Sense is overrated also since I'm already using Launcher pro.
amir84 said:
is it possible / will be possible that the HTC DESIRE will record Video in more than 15 FBS?? maybe in HD quality ?
if no - why is that so ??
and is there any chance that it will get an landscap view on the music player?
thanks a lot...
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Seems to be more than 15fps on my phone, no laggyness when recording thanks to the Snapdragon CPU
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never buy a samsung phone.
Touchwiz is ****.
and its made my samsung.
touchwiz may be ****, but you will install Launcher pro on it and it is as smooth if not smoother then Sense and more useful also. Sense has only 3 stupid buttons on the home screen and the right one is completely useless btw.
Not sure what the exact recording fps really is but its in noway a smooth experience. I would guess max 20 fps. Probably less.
what about my other qustians?
should i wait to iPhone 4 or the HTC Desire is better ?
This is really your choice. I never had an Iphone so cant really compare the 2. But I'm almost sure that I will buy an Iphone next time and I'm pretty damn sure that I will never buy another HTC phone again. I may buy an Android again just not from HTC, probably something from samsung.
This part of the forum really isnt much of neutral so asking what to buy here is as good as asking HTC itself if you should buy there phone or from someone else. Same goes for the Iphone forum of course.
Don't listen to this iSheep. And don't buy and iMoneyTaker. Desire is waaay better then iPhone 4, and it's totally incomparable with iPhone 3GS. HTC does good smartphones.
If I'd be you I'd wait for galaxy s coming to your country. Or if you don't want to wait get a desire. Or if you want something for games and don't want to wait get a motorola milestone
Balos said:
touchwiz may be ****, but you will install Launcher pro on it and it is as smooth if not smoother then Sense and more useful also. Sense has only 3 stupid buttons on the home screen and the right one is completely useless btw.
Not sure what the exact recording fps really is but its in noway a smooth experience. I would guess max 20 fps. Probably less.
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Your saying sense is **** and go for a samsung but then admit that their UI is **** and you had to install something else to make it any good? Another thing that is **** is what your takling!
If you're really into taking pics/filming with your phone, iPhone 4 is your best bet.
Here's an interesting comparison of iPhone 4/Droid X/EVO 4G/Samsung Galaxy on PCWorld.
Wow Balos your really bitter about some thing, you must have a very different set of demands than me because I'm very happy with the phone, the UI and the OS.
Btw real films only run at about 24fps I think... so chill out
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Also what promises did they make to you?
Your not one of these loons that expected to have froyo instantly are you... I dun'know kids these days.. :rollseyes:
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JohnSteveDoe said:
If you're really into taking pics/filming with your phone, iPhone 4 is your best bet.
Here's an interesting comparison of iPhone 4/Droid X/EVO 4G/Samsung Galaxy on PCWorld.
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Yes I always go to pc world for all my tech advice (snigger)
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cjm1979 said:
Your saying sense is **** and go for a samsung but then admit that their UI is **** and you had to install something else to make it any good? Another thing that is **** is what your takling!
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Because sense is the only reason why I got the Desire because it was told that this runs smooth as silk. Well it does, no question about it but the right and third button is completely useless. Adding widgets on the screen? Oh really? Are we doing that like 100 times a day? This button could be much more useful if you could set it to anything else. But compared to Launcher pro which can be downloaded from the Market its totally **** and not even half as useful then LauncherPro. So it doesn't matter which phone to get as you will want Launcher pro on it anyway. The only difference is that my ROM is crapped over with this HTC sense stuff now. Useless garbage on the phone. I could get a clean rom yeah. But I dont feel like rooting just now.
The other thing is. Samsung VS Desire which runs on almost the same spaces.
Yet it can record 720p with 30 fps and it can play Divx out of the box what was only promissed by HTC and never delivered. Why? It has the spaces to support it. But no they will release another phone that will do just that or have they already with EVO? Ah crap. Desire the flag ship is actually a sunk ship.
To be honest? I would go for an iPhone 4 if I didnt have the Desire. But thats just me. For the record: i am a person that is no longer 'on one side'. I just look for the best phone out there.
Now regarding games. If games are important to you, go iPhone 4. Biggest support regarding games, best titles. With the sharp display, A4 chip and Gyroscope (or how the hell you spell it) you will get the best gaming experience. NO DISCUSSION.
Ok. If a good camera is important to you, go iPhone 4. It has one of the best cameras out there. HD recording, very smooth 30fps, very good audio, iMovie to edit your clips etc.
If notifications, multitasking are important to you: HTC Desire. The Desire also has a slightly larger screen, though the resolution is beter on the iPhone 4. Both devices show good colors.
Battery life should be much better on the iPhone 4 as well.
So yeah, my non fanboy advise is this. Look if the iPhone has everything you need. If it does, just buy it. It's a very good device and will be supported for a long time, because it has top notch hardware.
And if you choose the HTC Desire, its a good choice as well. I am very happy with the device.
Good advice there Mark ^
Balos said:
Because sense is the only reason why I got the Desire because it was told that this runs smooth as silk. Well it does, no question about it but the right and third button is completely useless.
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LMAO so your problem with sense is a button you don't like to use... I don't have these three buttons that are making your life a misery, my phone is unbranded is that the difference? are they in the middle of the screen at the bottom? I have seen peoples screenies with three screen buttons there, i don't have them
Desire records at 26fps maximum in bright light. reduced to 15fps in dull or low light.
jimlad said:
Good advice there Mark ^
LMAO so your problem with sense is a button you don't like to use... I don't have these three buttons that are making your life a misery, my phone is unbranded is that the difference? are they in the middle of the screen at the bottom? I have seen peoples screenies with three screen buttons there, i don't have them
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What you mean. Everybody has this. app launcher, Phone and, +
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If there is a Button that deserves the title, "The stupiest and most useless button" It will be the right one "Plus" or "+" or widget button. Whatever you dlike to call it.
Been surfing phonearena for abit and found this:
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We do see the wildfire 2 will mostly hawe a slightly more powerful CPU a GPU and a better screen resoliution. So waht do you whink if HTC will roll out the Wildfire 2 will you consider buying it over your Wildfire?
If you selected the option Other please state why?
Overtime the spec will getting better, many phone in the market with the same price has better spec than Wildfire now, but I think after my phone I'll choose a higher-end phone :_
I'm keeping my wildfire for a while, when I do buy a new phone I'm getting a top-of-the-line one
hopefully a nexus or something
I think many user choose the way: buy one mid-end to get into Android and then pick a higher-end, like me .
Waiting for some 2-core processor this year or maybe next
While I won't be upgrading so soon, as I stated in another thread, the wildfire 2 is everything the wildfire 1 should have been in the first place...
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I'm missing something here. My first smartphone was a Samsung Galaxy S. Just after, I became curious about the HTC Desire but couldn't bring myself to get one given I'd just bought the Galaxy S. Then the Nexus S came out and I had to have one of those, so I got it. Gingerbread is nice but I was still curious about HTC Sense. So I decided to buy a cheap Wildfire on eBay. After a while I realised HTC Sense was rubbish and was about to go back to the Nexus S (both it and the Galaxy S are still in my top drawer) when I stumbled on CyanogenMod. I've flashed a number of different ROMs since then and I can't put my Wildfire down.
I know I've got two high-end smartphones but I love my Wildfire so much that I don't know what I'm doing wrong. Please, someone tell me why I should be using the Galaxy or the Nexus as I'm worried I'm actually missing out on something.
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nhnt11 said:
I'm keeping my wildfire for a while, when I do buy a new phone I'm getting a top-of-the-line one
hopefully a nexus or something
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Indeed I chose the wildfire to see what android was about and it hasn't disappointed, even makes me think why I stuck with Nokia for so long.
As for wildfire 2 I think I'll be skipping it too and go for a higher spec cos the specs are still not impressive to turn experienced users head.
One with front facing camera, something missing on most android phones but present even in cheap Nokia models, would be nice.
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I am very pleased with my Wildfire. It delivered more then I expected as instapper Android phone. The next purchase will be a higher end phone with at lest 2gpu/cpu. But for now I am more than happy with my current phone.
I am thinking of getting a HTC desire.
Wildfire 2 is exactly what 1 should have been, a smartphone without GPU was probably the biggest weakness to me. Nevertheless, it is still an excellent phone for those with a budget and want to try out Android.
P1ngP1ng said:
I'm missing something here. My first smartphone was a Samsung Galaxy S. Just after, I became curious about the HTC Desire but couldn't bring myself to get one given I'd just bought the Galaxy S. Then the Nexus S came out and I had to have one of those, so I got it. Gingerbread is nice but I was still curious about HTC Sense. So I decided to buy a cheap Wildfire on eBay. After a while I realised HTC Sense was rubbish and was about to go back to the Nexus S (both it and the Galaxy S are still in my top drawer) when I stumbled on CyanogenMod. I've flashed a number of different ROMs since then and I can't put my Wildfire down.
I know I've got two high-end smartphones but I love my Wildfire so much that I don't know what I'm doing wrong. Please, someone tell me why I should be using the Galaxy or the Nexus as I'm worried I'm actually missing out on something.
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Have you tried flashing ROM's and experimenting with your other phones? For me, another reason why I prefer the Wildfire is because of its friendly size and handling capabilities, and, comparatively easy pocketability, which is certainly missing from the higher end devices with their 4"+ screens.
Also, I would think that the UI and all is smoother on the top end phones, and, their app and game support is way more enhanced than on the Wildifre. Cant really comment on the smoothness part because havent used one of them ever.
Off Topic, Another thing I fail to understand is why companies think that whoever wants a powerhouse of a phone must grab a huge one with as graceful dimensions as a brick. I would love to see one day 1 GHz Processors, Adreno 205's, 768 MB RAM's etc on a 3.2 - 3.5" screened device. Handling such huge phones is a pain, especially in crowded areas...
I am waiting for unrevoked
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Off Topic, Another thing I fail to understand is why companies think that whoever wants a powerhouse of a phone must grab a huge one with as graceful dimensions as a brick. I would love to see one day 1 GHz Processors, Adreno 205's, 768 MB RAM's etc on a 3.2 - 3.5" screened device. Handling such huge phones is a pain, especially in crowded areas...
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Read my mind. Even right now, I wanted to upgrade to a Defy instead of a Desire. Since the Defy is roughly the size of our Wildfire, but the turn off there is that I got spoiled with WF ROMS, Defy has a few, and the Desire a ton.I want the option to use my phone and reach every inch of the screen with one hand. For this I'd still consider the WF 2 if nothing else competes at it's size
Like most people I got the Wildfire as a cheap Android phone to see what it was like after using Nokia for ages. There will probably be a lot of cheaper phones on the market soon after the success of the Wildfire and the San Francisco, even Apple are considering an iPhone of reduced size to compete with the android success
http://www.pcworld.com/article/219501/iphone_nano_rumors_return.html
Have a look at that.
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Read my mind. Even right now, I wanted to upgrade to a Defy instead of a Desire. Since the Defy is roughly the size of our Wildfire, but the turn off there is that I got spoiled with WF ROMS, Defy has a few, and the Desire a ton.I want the option to use my phone and reach every inch of the screen with one hand. For this I'd still consider the WF 2 if nothing else competes at it's size
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Yep, I was thinking at the Defy, too. The only thing putting me e off are the speaker problems that people talk about.
3xeno said:
I would think that the UI and all is smoother on the top end phones, and, their app and game support is way more enhanced than on the Wildifre.
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As to smoothness, I can say that CM7 on my Wildfire is slightly choppier than the factory Gingerbread on my Nexis S but not enough to be annoying and I haven't noticed any difference in app start up times.
Wildpuzzle is a different matter. There has been no noticeable difference between Wildpuzzle on my Wildfire and Froyo on my Galaxy S. It really has been that good that I'm toying with the idea of going back to it as CM7 doesn't seem to want to agree with me. I just wish I could get hold of a QVGA version of Swype!
On all devices video playback is no different and I don't play games so I can't comment.
I agree with you about good things in small packages. I've also heard Samsung are coming out next month with a smaller version of the Galaxy S but I haven't seen any specs.
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It`s nice to see that I`m not the only one that thinks a 4.0 inch screen is too big.
This is one of the reasons I bought the Wildfire, it was the smallest at that time, and still is. Well, now there are phones like the Samsung i5500, but damn, 2 mp camera is so 2004.
I my self wanted the wildfire as my first Android device(like most of you ). But now when MWc 2011 has started im waiting for price drop's of the older phones like the original Desire or something else Thinking is it a good idea to go for a Milestone 2? Looked at their forums and i saw just a few ROM's.
If root is so hard on my wildfire I probably not going to buy another HTC at all.
I'm just anoyed about companies trying to tell me what I can do with their device.
Cause this is how it is now, not mine but theirs.
kjeerik said:
I'm just anoyed about companies trying to tell me what I can do with their device.
Cause this is how it is now, not mine but theirs.
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It is the same with all companies, atleast with what I have seen,
Sony - Controls everything you do on the PS3. Mod it, and you lose ability to even go online, and if you do, they have the ability to automatically install stuff you dont authorize.
Apple - Not really required to specify it, do we?
Nokia - Only the initial Symbian sets were truly open, where you could mod the heck out of it. Unfortunately, it was not so customizable as Android. With the later ones, it had to be "hacked" (As in rooted), to allow modifications, which depended on the firmware.
Can't comment on others simply because I don't own them.
Lastly, the Wildfire is too "unimportant" a device for major teams to work on, when compared to, say, Apple's iDevices. Hence, finding exploits for iDevices may take a week, and the same may take months for the Wildfire. Unfortunately, thats the way the hierarchy exists.
i'd like to have the new screen on my actual wildfire..
i don't want to change it..
the next purchase will be a more powerful
Ok, please post any reviews, hands-on or general Xperia S information and questions here.
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Firstly, I'll start with saying you can download the white-paper here: http://blog.clove.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/Xperia_S_LT26i_Whitepaper.pdf
Processor 1.5 GHz Qualcomm MSM8260 Dual Core
GPU Adreno 220
Size 128 x 64 x 10.6 mm
Weight 144 grams
Available colours Black / White
Main screen
Colours 16,777,216 colour TFT
Resolution 1280x720 pixels
Size (diagonal) 4.3 inches
Scratch-resistant Shatter proof sheet on scratch-resistant glass
Memory
Internal phone storage 1 to 1.5 GB
RAM 1 GB
Flash memory 32 GB eMMC
Camera
Camera resolution 12 MP
Digital zoom 16x
Photo flash No
Video recording Yes – HD 1080p
Video chat camera Yes
Front Camera Yes – HD 720p for video chat and 1.3 MP for camera capture
General questions:
Unlockable Bootloader?
Apparently yes!
Is the clear band at the bottom going to be used for notifications?
Apparently it is, but it's unable to do colour at present (although we've seen blue and white in the videos). We don't know if this is a hardware limitation, or a software limitation. If it's a software limitation then it will likely be modded at some point!
What's this about the battery?
Well for one it is indeed not removable
Removing the battery is pretty trivial as demonstrated in this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4lHsfARv_0Y&feature=player_embedded
On the good side though it is supposed to have a new 'fast charge' technology that charges the phone rapidly to 80% and then basically tricle charges it from that point, so if you need a quick boost you're in luck
Micro SIM?
I'm afraid so
Here's how to cut down a standard size sim to a micro sim though: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lb1WvUoEbzI&feature=related
You can also pick up some pretty cheap devices (which look a bit like a hole-punch / stapler) from ebay that will cut it for you, if scissors scare you for some reason.
Micro SD card?
Nope
Release date?
March 5th is most likely
What's so awesome about it?
Looks great, and different from the other phones out there
Has an amazing screen (highest pixel density out there at the moment?)
Is a good size for one-handed operation without becoming tablet-sized
Awesome camera, with its own dedicated button, and can go from in your pocket to taking a snap in around 1.5s (I believe this is the fastest out there?)http://community.phones4u.co.uk/p4u-smartphone-shootout-mobile-cameras-go-head-to-head/
NFC?
Yes - and uses smart-tags so you can automatically setup a profile for home, work etc just by tapping your phone against a tag.
Does it have FM radio?
Yes! It has FM radio with RDS
What about this anti-stain shell I have head about?
Check it out: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EDrJplSYIw8&feature=player_embedded
Reviews
http://www.stuff.tv/review/sony-xperia-s
What about new apps?
All new Xperia phones will have realVNC: http://www.xperiablog.net/2012/02/2...ss-to-be-included-in-2012-xperia-smartphones/
Free 50GB with Box Net: http://androidcommunity.com/sony-xperia-owners-get-50gb-of-free-box-net-storage-20111129/
Hands on videos
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=064xbChx-Yo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JRWqBywlHlo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GSFtzDKPiGQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GSFtzDKPiGQ (this one shows the clear strip glowing blue at the beginning of the video too!)
Video quality tests
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4yoWrP0vDmU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KRf8lGvrIb0
Good thread, eager to see some more reviews.
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Good thread, eager to see some more reviews.
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Thanks. A couple things I'll add to the first post as well:
What about new apps?
All new Xperia phones will have realVNC: http://www.xperiablog.net/2012/02/2...ss-to-be-included-in-2012-xperia-smartphones/
Free 50GB with Box Net: http://androidcommunity.com/sony-xperia-owners-get-50gb-of-free-box-net-storage-20111129/
Hands on videos
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=064xbChx-Yo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JRWqBywlHlo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GSFtzDKPiGQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I2ssmm7wBTc (this one shows the clear strip glowing blue at the beginning of the video too! I had posted the wrong link here previously!)
Video quality tests
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4yoWrP0vDmU
is the information correct ?? unlocked bootloader by default????
fajarep said:
is the information correct ?? unlocked bootloader by default????
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It's not unlocked by default, it is unlockable by default. Someone owning an Xperia S did the test to see if it was unlockable - which is this: *#*#7378423#*#* to access the service menu.
In your phone, tap Service info > Configuration > Rooting Status. If Bootloader unlock allowed says Yes, then you can continue with the next step. If it says No, or if the status is missing, your device cannot be unlocked.
You can see more here: http://unlockbootloader.sonymobile.com/
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It's not unlocked by default, it is unlockable by default. Someone owning an Xperia S did the test to see if it was unlockable - which is this):*#*#7378423#*#* to access the service menu.
In your phone, tap Service info > Configuration > Rooting Status. If Bootloader unlock allowed says Yes, then you can continue with the next step. If it says No, or if the status is missing, your device cannot be unlocked.
You can see more here: http://unlockbootloader.sonymobile.com/
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Great news
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Great news
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Yea, hopefully it helps get some devs on board. Sony really seem to be doing all they can for the dev community at the moment.
I think Sony has learnt from the X10 and have started to be a bit more open towards the developer community; they tried to keep the X10 locked out and in the end watched the guys on here push that phone quicker and further than they could themselves (even without the bootloader unlocked)! If it was still Sony Ericsson I probably wouldnt get the Xperia S... but it isn't; so I am!
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Yea, hopefully it helps get some devs on board. Sony really seem to be doing all they can for the dev community at the moment.
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Would really like to see that, the only thing I'm worried about coming off a Desire, and swapping a Galaxy Nexus for this phone - They both had/have unreal dev support.
If Sony continues like they've pledged with their entire Xperia line, then it's likely we'll not only see Gingerbread, ICS, but also Jelly Bean by the end of the year.
How readable does anyone think Kindle will be on this phone? I have a Kindle myself, but the phone is ever so more portable in some situations.
why is micro sim a problem? its the new standard.. why have extra space for plastic. The non removable battery would be a moot point if they made docks for the phone.. but I assume its impossible to make nice ones with hdmi and usb on opposite side of the phone and covered by those plastic flaps.
miann said:
why is micro sim a problem? its the new standard.. why have extra space for plastic. The non removable battery would be a moot point if they made docks for the phone.. but I assume its impossible to make nice ones with hdmi and usb on opposite side of the phone and covered by those plastic flaps.
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It's not much of a problem, it just means two cuts to a standard sim. A minor inconvenience at most.
With regards to kindle on the phone, I'm sure you'll be fine. I use Aldiko to read all my books on the Arc S at the moment with no problems at all.
I'm excited that Sony are releasing the alpha and beta versions of their releases too. Another good sign for the devs!
Just wondering is there anything in that bit under the transparent light strip?
Or is it just some extra bit of plastic there to waste space?
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Just wondering is there anything in that bit under the transparent light strip?
Or is it just some extra bit of plastic there to waste space?
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I believe that's where the antenna is (from the translucent strip down)
I believe that the microphone is also located in the lower piece.
This means Sony would have had to find a way to run very thin/fine wires through the translucent bar. If thats the case pretty cool.
If your suggestion is correct that its purely decorative it would be a design feature with no function which indeed would be lame.
This a screenshot from Xperia U promo, where you can see lower bit removed. I know, it is U, but possibly same thing is on S as well. But I think you can see that definitely there is something there. I also hope, putting antenna there will increase signal reception.
The antenna is for sure in the lower part. You can see it on some close up pictures as thin wires within the clear strip...
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For anyone who has a hard time remembering, *#*#7378423#*#* spells out *#*#SERVICE#*#*. Much easier, no?
Sony has pledged to provide major Android version updates for at least 1.5y after release, so we will definitely be seeing whatever comes after ICS.
Ambroos said:
For anyone who has a hard time remembering, *#*#7378423#*#* spells out *#*#SERVICE#*#*. Much easier, no?
Sony has pledged to provide major Android version updates for at least 1.5y after release, so we will definitely be seeing whatever comes after ICS.
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Thanks, I had no idea!
UNBOXING
FULL REVIEW
COMPARISON - G4-G5-G6
Camera samples:
http://plus.google.com/photos/10058...s/6082341183852604913?authkey=CMzt_P3wl8PTgAE
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Elephone G6 - Beyond your imagination with 5.0" IPS screen, MT6592 1.7GHz with fingerprint scanner
With ergonomic design, the radian on the phone back can perfectly fit for the shape of the palm of your hand, furthermore, the skin-touch material bring you comfortable hand feeling. 5.0" IPS screen,1280*720 pixels, ppi=293, the parameter configuration is the good basis of amazing visuing effects, we especially did many alignments for the display.
Built in MT6592 cpu, the frequency has reach to 1.7GHz, with Mali-450 MP4 700MHz GPU. Powerful performance make it easy to deal with any app in your daily using, with low power consumption as the same time. Advanced camera with 13 million pixels, f/2.2 larger light-sensing surface area faster focusing speed and higher focusing accuracy, all those improvement will you better photo experience.
G6 is equipped with a fingerprint scanner, which could be used for locking screen or set encipherment protection for apps, that can guard your privacy. Double tab the screen to wake it up; and set your customized gesture as short cut to open certain function when the screen is off.
Highlights
- 5.0 inch HD IPS, 1280*720 pixels
- MTK6592 1.7GHz Octa-core
- 1GB RAM + 8 GB ROM
- 13MP rear camera + 2MP front camera
- Standard SIM card + micro SIM card, dual standby
- Android OS, 4.4.2 KitKat
- Support 3G Network: GSM 850/900/1800/1900, WCDMA 850/1900/2100 MHz
- Support Fingerprint ID, Gesture Recognition, GPS, OTG, etc.
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I like the phone's characteristics but I'm concerned about the battery life. Only 2250mAh for eight cores is a bit weak. What do you think?
Do you expect the phone to have any support for the upgrade to Android L or to any other alternative upgrade?
I just purchased this phone.
I think for 102Eur is a great phone. If it have some problems, it isn't the only one. All chinneses phones have problems everywhere. The thing is if it compensates what you paid for it.
I also ordered it. I'm still waiting for it but I hope I won't be dissapointed. I hope that it will have some support (new ROMs, firmware updates etc.), since there has been a lot of interest in preorder period.
Zer7 said:
I just purchased this phone.
I think for 102Eur is a great phone. If it have some problems, it isn't the only one. All chinneses phones have problems everywhere. The thing is if it compensates what you paid for it.
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I also ordered it. I'm still waiting for it but I hope I won't be dissapointed. I hope that it will have some support (new ROMs, firmware updates etc.), since there has been a lot of interest in preorder period.
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I think the official launch is on 9th Oct. We will wait at least two weeks more to put our hands in it.
Elephone p2000 at least seems that has good support and Elephone releases new roms when is needed. Also, every Elephone has been rooted easily, so that's good. Take also into consideration that we're with Android 4.4.2 .. other phones are still with 4.2 or 4.0, so we're updated for a few years with this version.
I think we take a good decision, and believe me, I search the whole internet and this is the best phone I found for this price. :good:
We just have to keep this topic alive, so that we can discuss about the phone once we get it. I already own a chinese phone with MTK6577 and 512MB RAM, Android 4.0 and I've been very satisfied with it. So obviously Elephone g6 should be a big improvement for me. I also like to do some improvements to the phone when possible, that's why I'm hoping for good support.
As far as the price-quality is concerned, I'm sure there is no better phone on the market at the moment. Only the battery still worries me...
Hopefully we'll get it ASAP.
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We just have to keep this topic alive, so that we can discuss about the phone once we get it. I already own a chinese phone with MTK6577 and 512MB RAM, Android 4.0 and I've been very satisfied with it. So obviously Elephone g6 should be a big improvement for me. I also like to do some improvements to the phone when possible, that's why I'm hoping for good support.
As far as the price-quality is concerned, I'm sure there is no better phone on the market at the moment. Only the battery still worries me...
Hopefully we'll get it ASAP.
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I own a Sony Xperia Neo (1Ghz, 512mb ram, 384mb of memory to apps, 3.7'' and Android 4.0 ... slow as hell!) so this G6 should be a big improvement to me too! the only thing that my Xperia will be better is the camera and flash, so, we will see
The phone should be shipped in 9th, so -2 days!
Bad news guys: http://www.elephone.hk/readNews/1052.html
I'm thinking about cancel my order and purchase another phone ...
Zer7 said:
Bad news guys: http://www.elephone.hk/readNews/1052.html
I'm thinking about cancel my order and purchase another phone ...
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I would just wait, all the new Chinese models will be a little delayed because of the Chinese national holidays. Not only from Elephone but also from all the other Chinese brands. And I think it is good that they tell the truth, and actually do the tests properly before they ship the phones out to all the end customers. So we don't will be having problems in the end.
I agree, just wait for one more week. If you waited that long, one week isn't that much
I look forward to getting a good product, hopefully well tested and with some suport and updates available in the future.
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I agree, just wait for one more week. If you waited that long, one week isn't that much
I look forward to getting a good product, hopefully well tested and with some suport and updates available in the future.
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I want to wait, but I can't!
We hope that the product is at least good, with good support and few updates.
Still no one received the phone?
Myefox delayed shipments without explain nothing... Look for some hands on until place my order!!
Wonder if anyone has received this phone yet I am looking for a budget smartphone to replace my nightmare Samsung Galaxy ace which is getting near the end of its contract.
My situation is I done a google search for a Blackview Crown review- 5inch Octa core Android 4.4 Smartphone 2GB Ram 16GB Rom and found the following thread on this site -- http://forum.xda-developers.com/android/general/blackview-crown-review-5inch-octa-core-t2844265
Someone on there said he thought this phone would be better and a few other agreed, however I cant really find much first hand feedback on this phone.
I know nothing about rooting phones I am a basic user who just wants a reasonable smart phone but my existing phone does have a huge amount of bloatware that i dont use so would not like that on a new phone.
Just wanted to keep this thread alive as this phones looks perfect I am in the UK where the cost of this is just over £92 or $150 and using the Three network on the 800MHZ band so was hoping people could give it the thumbs up.
Thanks
Ian
I expect to get the phone on monday. I will be able to tell some more then... Finally!
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I expect to get the phone on monday. I will be able to tell some more then... Finally!
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waiting for your review. specially please post some camera samples. Im worried about the camera performance. thank you very much.
I received the phone. So far it looks good. Touchscreen is very responsive, no other preinstalled apps. OS really is Android 4.4.2 KitKat as stated. It has also already come rooted as SuperSU. Antutu Benchmark score is 29004.
Links to the pictures made with the phone's camera:
http://picoolio.net/image/PDk
http://picoolio.net/image/PDv
http://picoolio.net/image/PDz
http://picoolio.net/image/PDE
http://picoolio.net/image/PDM
http://picoolio.net/image/PDP
And plus a quick overview of the phone. The video is mostly out of focus but this is all the time I had.
http://youtu.be/NCTu6gl_Uhw
Images look pretty good!
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Hi. Can you add some more photos? I'm quite interested in buying this phone to my wife, but I'm afraid about camera quality, and battery life. So can you say something about it? And generally your opinion about whole phone.
Thank you in advance.
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I received the phone. So far it looks good. Touchscreen is very responsive, no other preinstalled apps. OS really is Android 4.4.2 KitKat as stated. It has also already come rooted as SuperSU. Antutu Benchmark score is 29004.
Links to the pictures made with the phone's camera:
http://picoolio.net/image/PDk
http://picoolio.net/image/PDv
http://picoolio.net/image/PDz
http://picoolio.net/image/PDE
http://picoolio.net/image/PDM
http://picoolio.net/image/PDP
And plus a quick overview of the phone. The video is mostly out of focus but this is all the time I had.
http://youtu.be/NCTu6gl_Uhw
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Im about to order a one too. camera certainly looks pretty good. and your input is highly appreciated and valuble. thank you for that first. and also do all of us some more favor, please include your comment on following points,
1. some more camera pics in low light and normal indoor conditions.
2. mobile signal strength, wifi strength compared to your other mobile.
3. and another most importantly, music quality through a good headset and normal speaker strength for ringing.
4. I found some chinese devices have very low earpiece volume. how's it on the g6?
5. And of course how about the battery time.
thank you again and we all are very grateful for your info I think.
Hey all
HTC has bucked the trend here, as before the "Desire" range has been considered a mid-range series, not so with the HTC Desire Eye, here we have a fully featured high-end device. With a powerful quad-core Snapdragon 801 processor running at 2.3 GHz backed up with 2GB of RAM and the usual HTC check boxes such as Boom sound, the Desire eye certainly looks like an interesting device. The one stand out feature is a exceptionally large pixel front camera, at 13MP (same as the rear camera) high resolution selfies are certainly on the cards.
So who will take the plastic over the metal of the M8, and why would members choose this device?
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I'm planning on finally replacing my 4 year old iPhone 4 and getting a new phone next month, and depending on the price of this thing I might get this one
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IMHO it looks like a better phone than the M8. I for actually like the design a lot more than the M8's (which I actually didn't really like the design of all that much), and this blue one you have pictured here looks especially nice. And I don't really care about metal vs plastic, I'm not actually sure what the big deal is, but that's just my opinion. And in addition the flap-less high water-resistance is really awesome indeed. The camera is also apparently better, though I think the 13MP "selfie" cam is overkill.
The thing I really don't like about this phone however about this phone is it's physical size. It is way bigger than a 5-inch phone has any right to be. In fact, it is almost as big as the Galaxy Note 3/4 as shown in this comparison here. That was one of my main gripes with the M8 as well - the reason for that size is the excellent BoomSound speakers, but IMHO no speaker-quality is worth that much increase in bezels and size (especially since I really don't care all that much about speakers since I usually just rather use headphones). The Desire Eye is even bigger than the M8 (though both are 5' displays) because of that ludicrous 13MP "selfie" camera which is just piontless.
So will I get it? Well that really depends on the price. Currently I am planning on getting the Sony Xperia Z3 Compact for $520 next month. I'd really rather not get a 5-inch device that's the size of a Galaxy Note, but if the price is really attractive (this supposedly being a "budget" series phone) than I might still get it.
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So will I get it? Well that really depends on the price. Currently I am planning on getting the Sony Xperia Z3 Compact for $520 next month. I'd really rather not get a 5-inch device that's the size of a Galaxy Note, but if the price is really attractive (this supposedly being a "budget" series phone) than I might still get it.
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In The Netherlands retailers priced it at 499 EUR
And, I'm getting this device no matter what, I've already pre-ordered it on a 2-year contract.
Will wait to see how the camera performs. If it's great, I might get it. If it's mediocre, I'll just wait for the M9.
Im thinking about it, but i still want to see some reviews and reviews about the camera. I also need to see what the price is going to be in my carrier and what price i can get it.
By the way, does anyone know a especial reason why it doesnt have 4k video? It's not very important, but htc could have used the hardware to introduce the 4k which is something a lot of the other flagships have and the hardware seems capable of it
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Im thinking about it, but i still want to see some reviews and reviews about the camera. I also need to see what the price is going to be in my carrier and what price i can get it.
By the way, does anyone know a especial reason why it doesnt have 4k video? It's not very important, but htc could have used the hardware to introduce the 4k which is something a lot of the other flagships have and the hardware seems capable of it
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Don't worry, someone will probably port 4k video to this phone, as it should be capable of doing so.
little update on release date: My carrier (dutch) expects the phone to be available within 2 weeks.
I thought that also. Hopefully some devolopers will get this phone and work on it, it seems to be a good phone. However, since there isn't any htc phone with 4k in the market (that i know of), won't that make it more difficult? I don't know much about software but i always thought some of those added feature were ported from software. Or maybe its just "unlock"/add a new resolution to the video software.
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I thought that also. Hopefully some devolopers will get this phone and work on it, it seems to be a good phone. However, since there isn't any htc phone with 4k in the market (that i know of), won't that make it more difficult? I don't know much about software but i always thought some of those added feature were ported from software. Or maybe its just "unlock"/add a new resolution to the video software.
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From what I've heard, it's depending on the CPU and it's capabilities. The reason for the HTC One m7 and m8 not getting 4k was that, if you want to shoot in 4k resolution, you need a camera with over 8mp.
Luckily, our HTC Desire Eye gets a 13 MP camera and a Qualcomm Snapdragon 801 which, according to their spec list, supports 4k playback and recording, the thing that needs to be done is modify the camera apk and add the missing libraries.
The same was done on the Xperia Z1, here is the discussion with some usefull things;
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2768422
And the actual dev thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=53165575
Thank you for the links! I remember reading about that and i was hopeful that someone would do the same for this phone. However, i think its a port from the z2 software because the z2 does 4k from stock (although i think they all do know from stock via update, not sure) and htc never had 4k in any of their phones.
But when the phone is released we will probably know more about this.
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Thank you for the links! I remember reading about that and i was hopeful that someone would do the same for this phone. However, i think its a port from the z2 software because the z2 does 4k from stock (although i think they all do know from stock via update, not sure) and htc never had 4k in any of their phones.
But when the phone is released we will probably know more about this.
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Look, their old devices never had the capability of supporting it, because either their camera's were lacking 8mp or their processors couldn't handle it.
Example;
HTC Desire 816 13MP camera, https://www.qualcomm.com/products/snapdragon/processors/400
HTC Desire 616 8MP camera, some cheapass octa-core by Mediatek.
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. . . The Desire Eye is even bigger than the M8 (though both are 5' displays) . . .
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Actually the Desire Eye has a 5.2" screen which explains the larger exterior dimensions.
Good to know! Thanks!
I just noticed on gsmarena and with a google search that there is no mention of 120fps slow motion recording. I assumes it did slow motion from stock but it only mentions 30fps full HD. One thing i liked on the m8 camera was that slow motion could be edited to pick what parts to slow down and it seems to be missing on this phone.
Anyone knows or read anything about slow motion recording? Again, it has the hardware for it but htc seems to be cutting down the software :/
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I just noticed on gsmarena and with a google search that there is no mention of 120fps slow motion recording. I assumes it did slow motion from stock but it only mentions 30fps full HD. One thing i liked on the m8 camera was that slow motion could be edited to pick what parts to slow down and it seems to be missing on this phone.
Anyone knows or read anything about slow motion recording? Again, it has the hardware for it but htc seems to be cutting down the software :/
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Since the "Eye Experience" is also present on the One M8 and M7 now, it will probably be the same for our phone, anyways if not present, we can probably port it easily.
Looks like a mighty interesting phone. I always though the desire series was the more attractive side of HTC. I might have to ditch my iPhone 6 for this. Pangu is a joke!
I've been eyeing (ha!) this and the Note 4, the deciding factor will be if the Desire is easily rootable. The Note is not. What are your thoughts on rooting the Desire?
I have a Desire Eye from HTC, I can say the front camera is very nice and the brand new Eye Experience functions looks cool too.
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Hey all
HTC has bucked the trend here, as before the "Desire" range has been considered a mid-range series, not so with the HTC Desire Eye, here we have a fully featured high-end device. With a powerful quad-core Snapdragon 801 processor running at 2.3 GHz backed up with 2GB of RAM and the usual HTC check boxes such as Boom sound, the Desire eye certainly looks like an interesting device. The one stand out feature is a exceptionally large pixel front camera, at 13MP (same as the rear camera) high resolution selfies are certainly on the cards.
So who will take the plastic over the metal of the M8, and why would members choose this device?
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Getting mine tomorrow with the mail.
tsuishui said:
I have a Desire Eye from HTC, I can say the front camera is very nice and the brand new Eye Experience functions looks cool too.
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How's the sound quality? And battery life?
I'm probably going to pick one up tomorrow...Almost grabbed a HTC One M8 Google Play Edition today, but decided to hold off and try one of these out, I know AT&T is going to brand the crap out of the phone, that is the only bad thing...I'm a big HTC fan boy, but the camera on the One M8 caused me to drift to try other devices over the last few months...I talked about 8 of my friends into buying the phone and they all love it...