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So I bought a Galaxy Nexus earlier today...

...and I might return it. I really am not terribly impressed with it. ICS is cool and all but I would much rather have a bone stock ICS ROM running on my Epic Touch. My biggest complaint about it, besides how narrow the screen is, is that games just don't run nearly as smooth on it as they do on the E4GT. I know it has a weaker GPU, but I didn't realize it wasn't powerful enough to run Riptide GP without dropping frames all the time. Pretty disappointing, TBQH. Verizon has an extended buyers remorse period because of the holidays. I am going to hang on to it till Jan 14th and give it a serious chance but so far it's not looking good.
edit: Oh yeah, I HATE how the home/back/tasks soft keys persist even when playing games. That's the main reason why I returned my Galaxy Tab 7.0 plus, and I can't tell you how disappointed I am that they are still there in ICS.

Such a shame that the Galaxy Nexus is such a let down. My friend has one so I played around with his for an hour or so. There was some choppiness during transitions here and there. Only reason I'd pick it over an Epic Touch is because it's a Nexus device. But since it's not available for Sprint it's not a phone I'd buy.

It has the gpu of the galaxy s1, that may explain why it doesn't hum like our phone. The ti processor is very good, perhaps >= exynos but the gpu kills it.
Only thing I love is the screen (except that the on screen buttons can't be toggled) and ICS, seems like the colors are more real. In every other aspect, I have to go with the S2 (minus the tmo and skyrocket variants)
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I just got my gf a nexus s for cheap and I am using her phone more than mine it run ics well right now. Our phone with a a sop ics from will be freak in amazing.
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bbedward said:
It has the gpu of the galaxy s1, that may explain why it doesn't hum like our phone. The ti processor is very good, perhaps >= exynos but the gpu kills it.
Only thing I love is the screen (except that the on screen buttons can't be toggled) and ICS, seems like the colors are more real. In every other aspect, I have to go with the S2 (minus the tmo and skyrocket variants)
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It's the gpu of the original galaxy s, clocked almost twice as fast. But it's still not as fast as the mali in the s2.
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abhaxus said:
It's the gpu of the original galaxy s, clocked almost twice as fast. But it's still not as fast as the mali in the s2.
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Higher clock speed can only improve speed so much. Look at the Pentium 4 lol.
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I played around with my coworker's GNex and I think its nice and all, but......
I can't stand the lack of search button and the lack of a menu button. I felt like I was using a Pre or iPhone, I couldn't find out where the flippin' options were easily (I know that most have a little menu button in the top corner, but that's not apparent to me). Try to get to settings quickly? you can't without finding that app for settings. I also found it pretty laggy compared to my E4GT.
I do like the core app GUI changes, however. Very nice. The phone itself though....meh.

mmark27 said:
I played around with my coworker's GNex and I think its nice and all, but......
I can't stand the lack of search button and the lack of a menu button. I felt like I was using a Pre or iPhone, I couldn't find out where the flippin' options were easily (I know that most have a little menu button in the top corner, but that's not apparent to me). Try to get to settings quickly? you can't without finding that app for settings. I also found it pretty laggy compared to my E4GT.
I do like the core app GUI changes, however. Very nice. The phone itself though....meh.
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Just can't understand why Samsung is putting diffrent specs in the same model line phone on different carriers. Why does the T-Mobile version of the s2 have a different processor? That's ****ing retarded.
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paniro187 said:
Just can't understand why Samsung is putting diffrent specs in the same model line phone on different carriers. Why does the T-Mobile version of the s2 have a different processor? That's ****ing retarded.
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It has to do with wireless capabilities (or lack thereof) of the chip sets...same for the GNx.
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daneurysm said:
It has to do with wireless capabilities (or lack thereof) of the chip sets...same for the GNx.
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I'm speaking of the galaxy s2 models why nit just have the same specs on all carriers. Why does on carrier get one with one dual processor and the next gets a different brand. Why not stay uniform. And honestly imho the galaxy s line should be THE Google phone
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paniro187 said:
I'm speaking of the galaxy s2 models why nit just have the same specs on all carriers. Why does on carrier get one with one dual processor and the next gets a different brand. Why not stay uniform. And honestly imho the galaxy s line should be THE Google phone
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Compatability. For example, T-Mobile's 42 Mbit/s HSPA+ network is not compatible with exynos which is why they have a different processor.
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bbedward said:
It has the gpu of the galaxy s1, that may explain why it doesn't hum like our phone. The ti processor is very good, perhaps >= exynos but the gpu kills it.
Only thing I love is the screen (except that the on screen buttons can't be toggled) and ICS, seems like the colors are more real. In every other aspect, I have to go with the S2 (minus the tmo and skyrocket variants)
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The downside if exynos is Android does not natively support it. So every time Google releases an os, Samsung has to port it which is no small task.
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eao1991 said:
Compatability. For example, T-Mobile's 42 Mbit/s HSPA+ network is not compatible with exynos which is why they have a different processor.
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Why not not make a chip that is compatible for both
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paniro187 said:
Why not not make a chip that is compatible for both
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Probably for the same reasons car manufacturers don't make cars that run on gas and diesel

bobturismo said:
Probably for the same reasons car manufacturers don't make cars that run on gas and diesel
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I'm only asking cause it just seems like its not cost efficient. Plus if they all run the same hardware the you can have a one patch fix all type stuff
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That is a good question. They should beable to use same Chipset in each version of the GSII.
Look at the iPhone 4/4S. It has the same exact chipset / cpu on Verizon / ATT / Sprint "I Think"

hypersonicx said:
That is a good question. They should beable to use same Chipset in each version of the GSII.
Look at the iPhone 4/4S. It has the same exact chipset / cpu on Verizon / ATT / Sprint "I Think"
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Exactly. While I am not a apple fan I love the uniform manner in their devices.
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paniro187 said:
Exactly. While I am not a apple fan I love the uniform manner in their devices.
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You guys do realize the iphone does not utilize 4G so the processor can be the same across the board. However, android phones do use 4G and not all networks are created equal (ex: HSPA+ FOR T-mo). Hence, the different specs.
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eao1991 said:
You guys do realize the iphone does not utilize 4G so the processor can be the same across the board. However, android phones do use 4G and not all networks are created equal (ex: HSPA+ FOR T-mo). Hence, the different specs.
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They can make a chip that can utilize both. Its called research and development. Cost more at first but then its less to manufacturer one chip.
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hypersonicx said:
That is a good question. They should beable to use same Chipset in each version of the GSII.
Look at the iPhone 4/4S. It has the same exact chipset / cpu on Verizon / ATT / Sprint "I Think"
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The 4 is an A2 CPU and idk what gpu its running. The 4s is running an A3, is dual core, and beefier gpu. The iPad 1 and iPhone 4 use the same CPU, that's why there are jailbreaks available for them. IPad 2 and iPhone 4s share the same CPU. Its speculated its clocked higher on the pad. There also isn't a jailbreak for the A3 powered devices. There's no difference in hardware between the carriers of the same model phone. All 4 are the same and all 4S are the same.
I had a 4S for a couple of months on sprint before coming back to Android. I did some homework before and during owning the phone too.
I understand aosp is different than touchwiz. One alternative I could suggest is to get the et4g. Root, recovery and no ciq it after updating to ek02. After that, run sprint id and choose the clean pack. That is a bare bones setup, stockish launcher, and no touchwiz. Then go into the system/app directory and do something like add ".old" to the end of the apk of the bloatware and touchwiz crap. Now you have a pseudo asop looking ROM with the bloat rem'd out.

Sprint to get 1.5ghz dual core.

Are they just overclocking the Sprint version? http://www.technobuffalo.com/tag/galaxy-nexus/

i really hope they get a qualcomm version and just took a higher advertised clock speed over real life performance, i will never be using a snapdragon processor again, at least if their still using adreno

Its an ad, and its probably wrong.

Guess well find out soon enough. I won't be going back to Sprint till LTE is in my area.

I agree, I think its the ad that's wrong
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its all marketing to get customers back on thier junk network!

cordell507 said:
i really hope they get a qualcomm version and just took a higher advertised clock speed over real life performance, i will never be using a snapdragon processor again, at least if their still using adreno
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What do you have against adreno?
My grandma beat me down and took my nexus. Sent from a jitterbug with beats by dre.

I don't think their LTE is launching until Q2 and by that time it'd be rather foolish it buy it considering the SGS3 should be out by then and a new Nexus would probably be less than 6 months away.
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I wonder what they would call it ... Lol
Samsung Galaxy Nexus Epic Touch 4G LTE
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Our CPU is rated for 1.5 but Google decided to UV the clock for battery life. Different carriers pay for different options so its not surprising that sprint would try and be different. They have to because there network is like a big long turd that wraps around the toilet
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Does anyone have a guess on why they went with Texas instruments processor over samsungs exynos processor? Thanks in advance
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They used OMAP4460 in the VZW version as Exynos doesn't like LTE at all. That's why the US version of the SGS2 is Snapdragon instead of Exynos. As for the GSM version, I'm guessing because they couldn't be bothered using anything better.

Thanks bud! So our verizon version has a different and better chip set?
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kirdroid said:
I wonder what they would call it ... Lol
Samsung Galaxy Nexus Epic Touch 4G LTE
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No. Samsung Galaxy Nexus touch 4G LTE epic fail.
My grandma beat me down and took my nexus. Sent from a jitterbug with beats by dre.

mike216 said:
Thanks bud! So our verizon version has a different and better chip set?
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No? They all have the same chipset.

cordell507 said:
i really hope they get a qualcomm version and just took a higher advertised clock speed over real life performance, i will never be using a snapdragon processor again, at least if their still using adreno
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Whats wrong with Adreno, you do know that adreno 220 is faster than gpu used in GN right?

mike216 said:
Does anyone have a guess on why they went with Texas instruments processor over samsungs exynos processor? Thanks in advance
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Being a Nexus device, Google likes spreading the love. Nexus One had Snapdragon, Nexus S had Hummingbird, Xoom (not Nexus, but closely supported by Google) had Tegra, GNex has TI. Next up, who knows... But they certainly seem to like broadening the amount of chipsets they support more than they're focusing on raw performance.

Here sprint has some serious data issues. So bad tha AT&T is faster on edge much of the time. They could release a 2ghz version and i still wouldn't go back to them. I'm sure that it is likely worse now with the iphone.

mike216 said:
Our CPU is rated for 1.5 but Google decided to UV the clock for battery life. Different carriers pay for different options so its not surprising that sprint would try and be different. They have to because there network is like a big long turd that wraps around the toilet
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Just to set your story straight....
The SoC is rated for UP to 1.5 GHz. This doesn't mean that our chips are in fact rated for operation at 1.5 GHz. Take some time and search the dev threads about this. It's a pretty big misconception regarding the 4460. Not all 4460's are in fact the same (apparently). Did Samsung/Google underclock these chips? Slightly, but as you will see, these chips will not in fact (generally) hit clockrates higher than 1.4 GHz. The general thought is that there is an issue with the clock generator for 1.5 GHz and higher, which causes the problem.
The GN for Sprint will have the same problems, and will probably be a PR nightmare now.....especially when users find out that their GN only runs at 1.2 GHz.

Sprint version probably has different SoC.
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I want to upgrade my phone, which one do you recommend?

Hi,
I have a Samsung Vibrant and want to upgrade my phone to Galaxy S II, now do you guys recommend the T-Mobile version or the international version?
Please don't consider only the phone but also the future ROM development also.
Thanks in advance

specs wise I recommend the Tmobile one because of higher process speeds. and for development, I haven't really looked into the international version but the att skyrocket is the same phone as this so whoever gets a better ROM 1st , both sides win because they are compatible with eachother
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I don't know too much about the international version but I believe you will get better data speeds with the Tmobile version depending on your area but the processor is better in the international version.

I recommend going with the international phone. If you are curious about development, check out the forums of each device and see what you like. The international version will also get official updates faster.
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Definitely the international. Especially if development is important to you. Our development is beat.
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barribow said:
Hi,
I have a Samsung Vibrant and want to upgrade my phone to Galaxy S II, now do you guys recommend the T-Mobile version or the international version?
Please don't consider only the phone but also the future ROM development also.
Thanks in advance
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I came from a Vibrant. Went GNexus then went to GS2 today.
I used the Gnexus for about a 9 days and already the GS2 seems way snappier (using the Juggernaut 4.1) Can't say about the battery life on it yet, but with the GNexus I was able to get full day with a single charge with wifi on all day.
Enterrpise email on push along with gmail and hotmail. sms/mms/listen to podcast for about 3.5 hours.
I'll have more details with the gs2 (T989) in the next couple of days.

Why would you get the international version when you would be stuck on edge speeds?
This phone is fast a you would need it to be but its true the development here is slow. I would recommended this phone to anyone in a heart beat.

I couldn't have a phone on Tmobile without wifi calling....thus the Tmobile version
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Okay heres the dealio. Non bias or anything. Internation galaxy s 2= GS2 T-mobile galaxy s 2= 989
The 989 has a larger screen to play with. Not really a necessary thing to have but its nice. The processor on gs2 is alot better. Exynos processor. The only reason the 989 has a bigger number in processor is because its a qualcomm snapdragon. Which is sucks... lol. Exynos has better gpu and cpu control. The cameras the same. And yada. The data is better for tmobile since it is true 4G. (42 mbs) but i dont see using the data a whole lot unless you tether 24/7. But the lack of development in this community is just like the SGS4G. Honestly its cause this phone doesnt really need it. Once we get CM9 then you... Devs will work there asses off cause cm9 is the best and far more developed than stock. But its slow atm. The gs2 already has ics roms i presume and if not then they will really soon! So its all about your patience...
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Thanks to all your replies
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I came from a Vibrant. Went GNexus then went to GS2 today.
I used the Gnexus for about a 9 days and already the GS2 seems way snappier (using the Juggernaut 4.1) Can't say about the battery life on it yet, but with the GNexus I was able to get full day with a single charge with wifi on all day.
Enterrpise email on push along with gmail and hotmail. sms/mms/listen to podcast for about 3.5 hours.
I'll have more details with the gs2 (T989) in the next couple of days.
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I thought GNexus would be the best and too expensive also. So, why did you leave that one? Which GS2 did you get, international or Tmobile?
badaphooko01 said:
Why would you get the international version when you would be stuck on edge speeds?
This phone is fast a you would need it to be but its true the development here is slow. I would recommended this phone to anyone in a heart beat.
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Why only Edge? according to Samsung website it has HSPA+
http://www.samsung.com/global/microsite/galaxys2/html/specification.html
xsteven77x said:
Definitely the international. Especially if development is important to you. Our development is beat.
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Now you two guys: badaphooko01 and xsteven77x are saying two opposite things while both are in the US using Tmobile
This is the only thing I know for a fact:
International CPU: 1.2 GHz
T-Mobile CPU: 1.5 GHz

phreshjoker said:
Okay heres the dealio. Non bias or anything. Internation galaxy s 2= GS2 T-mobile galaxy s 2= 989
The 989 has a larger screen to play with. Not really a necessary thing to have but its nice. The processor on gs2 is alot better. Exynos processor. The only reason the 989 has a bigger number in processor is because its a qualcomm snapdragon. Which is sucks... lol. Exynos has better gpu and cpu control. The cameras the same. And yada. The data is better for tmobile since it is true 4G. (42 mbs) but i dont see using the data a whole lot unless you tether 24/7. But the lack of development in this community is just like the SGS4G. Honestly its cause this phone doesnt really need it. Once we get CM9 then you... Devs will work there asses off cause cm9 is the best and far more developed than stock. But its slow atm. The gs2 already has ics roms i presume and if not then they will really soon! So its all about your patience...
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Why Do you say Exynos is better? Any proof? at least gs2 is higher in GHz.

The exynos has a smoother transitions and i compared it to a sprint gs2 with an exynos processor. The game asphalt is noticeably smoother on the exynos processor. And number doesnt matter at all. Windows phones are still 1.0 ghz and not evem dula core and can do perfect with animations and games. Honeslty dual core is nonsense... But exynos is an all around better processor. If you dont believe me then go to a sprint store and play around with their gs2
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Why Do you say Exynos is better? Any proof? at least gs2 is higher in GHz.
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T989 is a 1.5 qualcomm snapdragon processor. While the international is a 1.2 dualcore exynos processor
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Why Do you say Exynos is better? Any proof? at least gs2 is higher in GHz.
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I missed the sweet deal breaker fact that international version is way more expensive

Haha well come on board welcome to the forum wants to coffee?
barribow said:
I missed the sweet deal breaker fact that international version is way more expensive
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And its only edge it runs on different frequencies
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myunitisz said:
And its only edge it runs on different frequencies
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So, I think I got the answer then.

Samsung demos new 32nm quad-core Exynos ahead of MWC

http://www.engadget.com/2012/02/23/samsung-demos-new-32nm-quad-core-exynos-ahead-of-mwc/

Take that qualcomm!
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Nice!
10char!

coldblooded79 said:
Take that qualcomm!
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Yeah Qualcomm just got benchmarked the other day. I was waiting for Samsungs rebuttal.
http://www.engadget.com/2012/02/21/qualcomm-krait-s4-soc-fully-benchmarked/

maybe they will fix these damn radios. along with quad core lol.
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Please do not bring up other products in the E4GT forums.
Mods, can you lock this?
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Quad core pshhh I want octo Core 5GHz with 5000 mAh battery with a1080p samoled plus plus display

Wrong thread

crzchn said:
Please do not bring up other products in the E4GT forums.
Mods, can you lock this?
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???????? Why????????????

crzchn said:
Please do not bring up other products in the E4GT forums.
Mods, can you lock this?
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Are you lost?

Oh noes, overzealous user/mod!

JellyBean official update

so the news are that the galaxy s2 is getting an official update
the gs2...not the epic 4g touch, not the sky rocket, only the gs2
so my guess is that is getting BOTH versions?
or only the skyrocket?
i am a little confused can someone tell me?
i really love JB, and with touchwiz it would be simply awesome!

rolgar20 said:
so the news are that the galaxy s2 is getting an official update
the gs2...not the epic 4g touch, not the sky rocket, only the gs2
so my guess is that is getting BOTH versions?
or only the skyrocket?
i am a little confused can someone tell me?
i really love JB, and with touchwiz it would be simply awesome!
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international gs2? lol just saying..
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Yeah. When Samsung says they are pushing an official update to the Galaxy S II. They always push the update to the international variant first.
This is good news for us as well, if the international S2 is getting an official update, that means Samsung is actively developing for the US variants as well. Since we have an Exynos processor just like the international... we should be next in line.
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Mattix724 said:
Yeah. When Samsung says they are pushing an official update to the Galaxy S II. They always push the update to the international variant first.
This is good news for us as well, if the international S2 is getting an official update, that means Samsung is actively developing for the US variants as well. Since we have an Exynos processor just like the international... we should be next in line.
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Keyword should lol
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It's really not a matter of if guys, just when. The same skepticism was displayed in regards to the OG epic getting gingerbread....we all know how that turned out for the nay sayers.
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squshy 7 said:
It's really not a matter of if guys, just when. The same skepticism was displayed in regards to the OG epic getting gingerbread....we all know how that turned out for the nay sayers.
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True, but it's like handing a guy a parachute when he's in a pile of burning wreckage on the ground.

I posted an article on this almost a month ago.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1881950
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