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Ok I have question... since rumors have it that the Touch Pro 2 will be coming to the states and to T-mobile, I'm assuming that it will have T-mobiles 3G band? Hopefully? If so, would that mean the unlocked versions of the Touch Pro 2 have the T-Mobiles 3G band as well or no? This is in the same boat as the G1 as I don't really need the data plan on the G1 but maybe occassional use with T-Zones. I was hoping that the Touch Pro 2 would be able to use T-Mobiles 3G and not be forced to have its own data plan.
Now lets say they make you have the data, could you flash the firmware and radio and that do anything? I heard that they can trace the phone via IMEI so if your using that T-Mobile branded phone, even though you have a different firmware and what not they would still be able to trace the phone via IMEI correct?
Ideally it'd be nice to have the Touch Pro 2 on T-mobile using 3G occasionally with T-zones but one can only hope...
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Ok I have question... since rumors have it that the Touch Pro 2 will be coming to the states and to T-mobile, I'm assuming that it will have T-mobiles 3G band? Hopefully? If so, would that mean the unlocked versions of the Touch Pro 2 have the T-Mobiles 3G band as well or no? This is in the same boat as the G1 as I don't really need the data plan on the G1 but maybe occassional use with T-Zones. I was hoping that the Touch Pro 2 would be able to use T-Mobiles 3G and not be forced to have its own data plan.
Now lets say they make you have the data, could you flash the firmware and radio and that do anything? I heard that they can trace the phone via IMEI so if your using that T-Mobile branded phone, even though you have a different firmware and what not they would still be able to trace the phone via IMEI correct?
Ideally it'd be nice to have the Touch Pro 2 on T-mobile using 3G occasionally with T-zones but one can only hope...
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has it been confirmed that the touch pro 2 is coming to t-mobile, and also I doubt it will require a data plan because I think the iphone requires a data plan and that is for [email protected] and the fuze came to [email protected] and that didnt need a data plan i am pretty sure that no wm phone has ever requierd a data plan so I doubt this one will
awesome, well i hope thats true. it be good for it to have the 3G bands and not require a data plan, but something tels me that its not going to happen.
Cheeze[iT] said:
awesome, well i hope thats true. it be good for it to have the 3G bands and not require a data plan, but something tels me that its not going to happen.
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But no wm phone has ever required a data plan plus I htink [email protected] requires one for the iphone and then didnt reuire one for the fuze so its possible it wont I REALLY hope no data plan is required
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But no wm phone has ever required a data plan
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I don't know about your country, but I had to get data plan to be able to use e-mail and internet browsing.
T-Mo here also requires data plan to be able to use e-mail and browsing...
Bodisson said:
I don't know about your country, but I had to get data plan to be able to use e-mail and internet browsing.
T-Mo here also requires data plan to be able to use e-mail and browsing...
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you mean you couldnt even use wifi??
Yeah you can use wi-fi, but that is like being placed on an even tighter leash
Getting a data centric phone without a data plan is like driving a car without A/C in Saudi Arabia during the summer. You just don't do it.
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Getting a data centric phone without a data plan is like driving a car without A/C in Saudi Arabia during the summer. You just don't do it.
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I've had eveything from the 8125 to the fuze and now the omnia and never had a data plan. I use wifi at all the place I need to go. Never saw the need to text, either. I needed a pda w/ word, etc., for editing, and tv-out for presentations and a phone as an add-on (no more laptop-- true convergence!) Too cheap for the data plans, when I don't need them. On ATT, BTW, hope they bring on the TP2
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Getting a data centric phone without a data plan is like driving a car without A/C in Saudi Arabia during the summer. You just don't do it.
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better than walking though isnt it?
Cheeze[iT] said:
Ok I have question... since rumors have it that the Touch Pro 2 will be coming to the states and to T-mobile, I'm assuming that it will have T-mobiles 3G band? Hopefully? If so, would that mean the unlocked versions of the Touch Pro 2 have the T-Mobiles 3G band as well or no? This is in the same boat as the G1 as I don't really need the data plan on the G1 but maybe occassional use with T-Zones. I was hoping that the Touch Pro 2 would be able to use T-Mobiles 3G and not be forced to have its own data plan.
Now lets say they make you have the data, could you flash the firmware and radio and that do anything? I heard that they can trace the phone via IMEI so if your using that T-Mobile branded phone, even though you have a different firmware and what not they would still be able to trace the phone via IMEI correct?
Ideally it'd be nice to have the Touch Pro 2 on T-mobile using 3G occasionally with T-zones but one can only hope...
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What is the 3g band for t-mobile? is it different from the one that AT&T uses?
curious as sometimes some phones say 3g compatible for the US and reading some previews show T-mobile is cooking its own 3g networks or so? Is the 3g band in the us : 850/1900 or 2100??
tahnks for clarifying
whatledog said:
I've had eveything from the 8125 to the fuze and now the omnia and never had a data plan. I use wifi at all the place I need to go. Never saw the need to text, either. /QUOTE]
Noob question here, never had a smartphone before....So if I buy the AT&T Fuze outright and get it unlocked I can use it for email and accessing free wifi at restaurants? What about the apps that stream free radio stations? I have a laptop too, really just want the Fuze for the convenience of being to check email and the web from time to time when I'm out and about.
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down with required data plans
gehzumteufel said:
Getting a data centric phone without a data plan is like driving a car without A/C in Saudi Arabia during the summer. You just don't do it.
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Yes, you do. If you have wifi virtually everywhere anyway, why pay an extra $30 per month for carrier data? That's the reason for so many years carriers insisted smartphones not have wifi built-in. They feared it would eat at their data profits.
Also, not everyone is going to have the same use pattern for TP2 that you might. Some people's uses for WinMo will be mostly offline.
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Yes, you do. If you have wifi virtually everywhere anyway, why pay an extra $30 per month for carrier data? That's the reason for so many years carriers insisted smartphones not have wifi built-in. They feared it would eat at their data profits.
Also, not everyone is going to have the same use pattern for TP2 that you might. Some people's uses for WinMo will be mostly offline.
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I mostly use mine offline also, but that doesn't detract from the fact that you can't even get a picture message without a data plan.
Also, I pay $20 a month for data and have for a while now. The data plan has only gone up $5. Also, I live in the most populace state in the US, and free WiFi is not available most places. So fail right there.
gehzumteufel said:
I mostly use mine offline also, but that doesn't detract from the fact that you can't even get a picture message without a data plan.
Also, I pay $20 a month for data and have for a while now. The data plan has only gone up $5. Also, I live in the most populace state in the US, and free WiFi is not available most places. So fail right there.
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Incorrect. You can still get messages, hell you can even use the internet without a plan, it just costs a lot more because your paying per KB rather than for a pool. At least that's how my plan works.
Are there any unlocked TP2 phones around???
1. As far as T-Mobile is concerned, data plan is not required on any phone except the G1 since it pings Google server all the time.
2. You do need a data plan if you want to get any rebate but you can cancel afterward.
3. There is no PPU data plan with T-Mobile therefore if you don't have a data plan, you could only use WiFi for data.
4. Finally, you don't need a data plan to get MMS. All you need is the correct MMS & WAP settings in your phone.
BTW, at least here in SoCal free WiFi hotspots are not available everywhere.
1700 band
Will it have the 1700 band for HSDPA and 3G? That is the question.
bachviet said:
1. As far as T-Mobile is concerned, data plan is not required on any BTW, at least here in SoCal free WiFi hotspots are not available everywhere.
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This. I can't stress enough, that most people (probably around 90%) aren't going to be around WiFi connections more often than not. So, I reiterate my statement about data-centric phones. Don't get them without data plans.
Lyian said:
Incorrect. You can still get messages, hell you can even use the internet without a plan, it just costs a lot more because your paying per KB rather than for a pool. At least that's how my plan works.
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False. My brother in-law has AT&T and he can not get MMS without data plan. You are correct about receiving MMS on T-Mobile though. You can receive, but not send them.
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Will it have the 1700 band for HSDPA and 3G? That is the question.
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HSDPA = 3g
Also, this such a dumb question. This is like asking if a Ford Mustang will come with a GM ECU. If it is branded for T-Mobile, it will have the proper bands.
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False. My brother in-law has AT&T and he can not get MMS without data plan. You are correct about receiving MMS on T-Mobile though. You can receive, but not send them.
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B.S. on this one. My wife's line never has any kind of data plan (using both T-Mobile branded and unbranded/unlocked phone) and she never has any problem sending/receiving MMS.
Hi there,
So I am currently using an unlocked G1 on AT&T without having to pay any data plan (because they dont recognize it as a smart phone). However I can upgrade to an unlimited plan for $10 but because of the phone's band it would only get 2G.
So my G1 is dying and is super slow and one phone I would love would be a G2. Thus do you think I would be able to get an unlocked G2 for AT&T and still avoid having to get a data plan ?? Also as an added bonus, when AT&T fuses with Tmobile (assuming FCC approval) perhaps then the G2 would get 4g/3g speeds??
what do you guys think of this master plan to avoid data charges but then get high speed downloads when at&t buys tmobile ??
Thanks.
Look in the dev section there is a way to unlock, and the G2 has HSPA+ which pretty much is 4G
Sent From My G2
austriker27 said:
Hi there,
So I am currently using an unlocked G1 on AT&T without having to pay any data plan (because they dont recognize it as a smart phone). However I can upgrade to an unlimited plan for $10 but because of the phone's band it would only get 2G.
So my G1 is dying and is super slow and one phone I would love would be a G2. Thus do you think I would be able to get an unlocked G2 for AT&T and still avoid having to get a data plan ?? Also as an added bonus, when AT&T fuses with Tmobile (assuming FCC approval) perhaps then the G2 would get 4g/3g speeds??
what do you guys think of this master plan to avoid data charges but then get high speed downloads when at&t buys tmobile ??
Thanks.
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It's believed that all tmobile phones will still be limited to edge after the merger. Remember the frequencies it uses are based on hardware, they can never be changed. Unless they have a period where at&t will use both sets of frequencies, a g2 will never get 3g or 4g speeds on at&t.
That's why people were excited when the g2x was supposed to use both sets of bands, but it was not to be...
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Att does use tmo compatible 3g bands in certain areas. I occasionally get 3g with my vibrant (unlocked tmo phone that I use sometimes with att) but I do have to admit that it is rare that I get 3g service in my area.
I also would be surprised if they just up and d4op all that tmo infrastructure overnight.
I would bet that all the tmo sprect4um came (will come) with the purchase.
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rickyiswhite said:
Look in the dev section there is a way to unlock, and the G2 has HSPA+ which pretty much is 4G
Sent From My G2
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Sweet so once I unlock a g2 I can get at least 3g speeds on at&T network?
Right now I get 2g speeds on my g1 and its pretty painful.
Although it sounds like tmo phones might be limited to edge which just be like the ultimate jerk move on att's part..
I'm not sure about that one after the other comments, also I remember after my G1 I got an iphone 3G(bad mistake) and I unlocked it so I could use it for tmobile and I couldn't get 3G, only edge, so my best advice would be either switch to tmobile if you really want the G2 or just get an android for at&t
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rickyiswhite said:
I'm not sure about that one after the other comments, also I remember after my G1 I got an iphone 3G(bad mistake) and I unlocked it so I could use it for tmobile and I couldn't get 3G, only edge, so my best advice would be either switch to tmobile if you really want the G2 or just get an android for at&t
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Sooo why hasn't anyone mentioned the A7275 Desire Z version that will get AT&T users 3G? Just look it up. The Desire Z is the same as the G2 except for a few bands. The DZ A7275 model works perfectly with AT&T network, no reason to suffer and get the G2 without 3G. It is also known as the Bell Desire Z.
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Sooo why hasn't anyone mentioned the A7275 Desire Z version that will get AT&T users 3G? Just look it up. The Desire Z is the same as the G2 except for a few bands. The DZ A7275 model works perfectly with AT&T network, no reason to suffer and get the G2 without 3G. It is also known as the Bell Desire Z.
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Oh, well that solves everything.
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rickyiswhite said:
Oh, well that solves everything.
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Except for the fact that the OP will not have 3G on T-Mob with the Canada Bell Desire Z (A7275), if he in fact wants 3G now.
Plus the huge difference in price between the G2 and the Bell DZ, especially if the OP is qualified for an upgrade (which he probably is, if still on a G1). The Bell Canada DZ typically goes for around $600 new.
If you want an Android phone with keyboard on ATT, the Bell DZ is the way to go. But since the AT&T-Mobile merger won't even start to become a reality for almost a year (and maybe longer), I'd think hard about getting a good phone for NOW. And then plan to get a new device later, when the merger actually takes place.
EDIT: I misunderstood the part where the OP was saying he was using an unlocked G1 on ATT. I thought he was still on T-Mobile, and waiting for the merger. Never mind my comments above along those lines.
Gosh, well thanks for the info guys. That is most helpful- so right now I am thinking of staying with my at&t plan and maybe getting the bell canada g2 unlocked so I can still beat the system and not have to pay for data but if I do need it I can get the 10$ unlimited plan and get 3g speeds with at &T with a sick android phone..
I am also contemplating getting a bb bold 9700 as an upgrade (I get it free as a discount for work) for my phone.. BUT thats a whole 'nother discussion =)
Thats unbelievable! 10 bucks for unlimited data? 2g or not....thats a good deal...personally id rather pay 10 a month and sleep well knowing its there. But at the same time you cant beat free....win freakin win baby!
austriker27 said:
Gosh, well thanks for the info guys. That is most helpful- so right now I am thinking of staying with my at&t plan and maybe getting the bell canada g2 unlocked so I can still beat the system and not have to pay for data but if I do need it I can get the 10$ unlimited plan and get 3g speeds with at &T with a sick android phone..
I am also contemplating getting a bb bold 9700 as an upgrade (I get it free as a discount for work) for my phone.. BUT thats a whole 'nother discussion =)
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Sounds like the Blackberry is from AT&T? If you put your SIM in any AT&T branded smartphone, they will read the IMEI off the phone, know its a smartphone, and add a smartphone data plan to your account (as per their policy). But if you buy a phone what is not AT&T branded (like the Bell Canada Desire Z), the IMEI will not be in their database.
Not sure about connecting to 3G with the Bell Canada Z on the $10 data plan. They might see that you are connecting on 3G , and take away that plan.
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Sounds like the Blackberry is from AT&T? If you put your SIM in any AT&T branded smartphone, they will read the IMEI off the phone, know its a smartphone, and add a smartphone data plan to your account (as per their policy). But if you buy a phone what is not AT&T branded (like the Bell Canada Desire Z), the IMEI will not be in their database.
Not sure about connecting to 3G with the Bell Canada Z on the $10 data plan. They might see that you are connecting on 3G , and take away that plan.
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I am using a Bell Desire Z on ATT and they are not able to identify my IMEI. I have had the $10 Unlimited Data plan on my account for years and despite using much more data than a typical 'dumbphone', I have not been charged or contacted regarding my data package. I get solid 3G coverage in my area and average about 500-900MB a month of data. (I don't tether and use Wifi at home)
On another note, I have used an ATT Branded Blackberry Bold 9000 with the same data plan. I did not buy it from ATT but they were able to identify the IMEI per the ATT branding. They didn't 'force' the smartphone plan on me and my data worked just fine. Please note though, that the BB push services will NOT work without a BB plan.
I've had the $10 unlimited data for about 3 years now and have used a handful of phones: HTC Fuze, Nokia E71, Blackberry Pearl, Bold and now the Desire Z. No issues from ATT, plus I love not being on a contract!
*Edit*: If you 'upgrade' your device through ATT and go with the Bold 9700, you MUST purchase a BB data plan and once you leave that $10 unlimited data, there is no going back so be weary before you sign anything.
I'm coming from a g1 on att.
I'm still on att but now have a g2 with their $10 data plan.
although it's still only 2g you feel notice that even internet is much faster on the g2 then it ever was on the g1. I'm only catching 2g, so that can't be why, but you will notice that it's much faster.
I have actually read quite a bit from here and the AT&T forums concerning whether att will read the IMEI number or not; basically it seems like for some people they do read it and force a smartphone data plan and others they dont. So its kinda like playing the lottery. But yes I absolutely adore my unlimited data for $10 (although I only recently added it for GPS because I moved; otherwise I normally just wifi with no data because wifi is everywhere). That being said I looove my g1 for allowing me to beat the system like that!!!
And actually after doing some more research I would want to the latest bb bold (like a 9780; I think i just mistyped earlier) and now after hearing about the 9900 (which actually sounds like a pretty decent BB, albeit RIM still about 2 years behind the trends) I am very interested in holding out for it as it should come out in Sept if they dont delay anymore..
I also like not being tied down as our family plan's commitment expired at least one year ago, so upgrading is pretty much out of the question unless I open up my own plan.. And just to make it all even more complicated, I get a 20% discount through work and also can get a BB for free if I sign a 2 year agreement.. Aww the options..
Either way I am sick of having to reflash my g1 monthly so and its soooo bloody slow. So I am debating G2, BB Bold 9780 or wait for the Bold 9900.. But thats another bucket of worms I need to figure out..
Att and tmobile have a while to go before or if they ever actually merge. Its up to the government to approve it after all. And remember att had to be split years back for having a monopoly over home phones which makes it even harder for the gov to get on board...
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i work for att.
yes they can catch your and put a data plan ($25) by default on your account..
yes they also don't catch EVERYONE and add one.
yes people do get away with it for years.
yes att can read your IMEI and tell if its a PDA or not. just shows as "unknown manufac" so att cannot tell what make\model, but most the time can see its a smart phone..
but alot of people get away with 10$ non smart phone unlimited data plan that have smartphones..
my vote... take all the damn money you can from att. =D haha
if you can get away with it then do it.
p.s. heres a tip for anyone on At&t that wants the unlimited data they don't offer anymore. get an iphone, HAS to be an original. well just the imei number, call att and tell them to update the imei and move to the unlimited data plan. they only have unlimited data for the original iphone.. then use it on the account for a few days, then move to another smart phone of choice.. and you will be "grandfathered in" with the unlimited data for smartphone. =]
no way!! Thanks for the info, thats awesome.. How much was the original iphone's unlimited data plan? And will that work if I do decide to get a BB? I heard you might need a special bb plan to use their push features..
Yeah it'll work with a bb.. once your on the unlimited data plan you always have it no matter what phone you use..
The original data plan for iphone is $20 I think.. but you'll have to move to the data plan avainable which is 30
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So I had a Droid 3 on Verizon on a prepaid line ($95 for 450 talk, unlimited text, and unlimited data) but that was 3G.
With the gNexi coming out, I was wondering if I would even be able to use it's 4g capabilities on my prepaid line? I'm obviously going to buy it at full-retail price but will the 4G even work or will I be stuck on 3G all the time?
I can't do contracts...
Should I wait for T-Mobile to get it and use their 4G prepaid instead?
I'm unsure if VZW has a LTE prepay service. That's something you have to look into separately. My guess is they don't. Unless they explicitly say that your prepay covers LTE I would expect to only get 3G.
As far as switching to a different carrier no one can tell you which is better. Its all about where you will use the phone and its your call.
I just did an online chat with a VZW rep, here it is:
Please hold for a Verizon Wireless sales representative to assist you with your order. Thank you for your patience.
You are now chatting with 'Kiara'
Kiara: Hello. Thank you for visiting our chat service. May I help you with your order today?
You: I was wondering if 4G phones like the Droid Bionic are eligible for the Prepaid Smartphone plans???
Kiara: I do apologize for the inconvenience, although the Bionic is not able to be pre paid
You: Are their any 4G phones available for the Prepaid plans?
You: And/or can you tell me if there are any plans to offer any???
Kiara: I do apologize although at this time there are not
You: Ok, thank you for your help
So, looks like you can't, at this time, use a 4G phone on their prepaid plans.
I currently have a Nexus S on T-mobile's $30 month prepaid plan (100 mins, unl. text, unl. data*throttled after 5GB), and I love it but I don't use my phone much for calls... I plan on getting the Galaxy Nexus and using it on this plan once it's available.
Yeah it looks like I'll have to wait for the galaxy nexus to drop on TMobile
WoW this sucksss.... It probably won't even come out until late December...
Maybe I should just import? No idea how it works but I want my nexus asap
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Dmw017 said:
Yeah it looks like I'll have to wait for the galaxy nexus to drop on TMobile
WoW this sucksss.... It probably won't even come out until late December...
Maybe I should just import? No idea how it works but I want my nexus asap
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Look on the bright side... t-mo plans are cheaper than Verizon. So you'll save money if you switch. But then again tmo reception around your area would play a big role too.
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Look on the bright side... t-mo plans are cheaper than Verizon. So you'll save money if you switch. But then again tmo reception around your area would play a big role too.
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Yeah I looked into it and Tmobile is way better than Verizon. I live in NYC so reception shouldnt be a problem at all. Now I'm just trying to figure out if I should import the 16GB model or wait for the 32GB US model :/ bleh ... I wonder when Tmobile will be getting it
Dmw017 said:
Yeah it looks like I'll have to wait for the galaxy nexus to drop on TMobile
WoW this sucksss.... It probably won't even come out until late December...
Maybe I should just import? No idea how it works but I want my nexus asap
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If you have T-mo service in the area then its sooo much better. Just wait, don't import. You'll probably have to buy it unlocked (probably best buy, just like Nexus S) but you'll be better off for it. You don't want to sign a 2year for a Nexus on VZW and get blocked tethering and crap on it.
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Dmw017 said:
Yeah I looked into it and Tmobile is way better than Verizon. I live in NYC so reception shouldnt be a problem at all. Now I'm just trying to figure out if I should import the 16GB model or wait for the 32GB US model :/ bleh ... I wonder when Tmobile will be getting it
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its all up in the air. As I said above ^, they might not "get it" officially at all. Might have to buy unlocked from Google/Best Buy.
But the winner is that the T-mo plans can be as low as 1/2 the price of VZW.
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its all up in the air. As I said above ^, they might not "get it" officially at all. Might have to buy unlocked from Google/Best Buy.
But the winner is that the T-mo plans can be as low as 1/2 the price of VZW.
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Actually they have a $30 Prepaid plan with 100talk/unlimited text/ and unlimited data (5gb of 4G) -- available only on new line activation.
Btw can you clarify the "unlocked from google/best buy" part? Would I still have to use a sim card if Tmobile wont officially sell it
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Actually they have a $30 Prepaid plan with 100talk/unlimited text/ and unlimited data (5gb of 4G) -- available only on new line activation.
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yea their prepay options are pretty epic. 100min is a bit low for most though. I was just referring to their postpay options that are pretty cheap too. I've looked into moving from my EM+ no-contract plan to a prepay lately actually.
Btw can you clarify the "unlocked from google/best buy" part? Would I still have to use a sim card if Tmobile wont officially sell it
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Well if you want my opinion I think they'll end up just selling it exactly like they did with the Nexus S. They sold it online, and they offered it via Best Buy unlocked. You'd buy the phone, then buy your service and get a SIM card from AT&T or T-mobile (or Simple Mobile, or whatever) separately and plug it in. The GN is pentaband HSPA+ and will work with pretty much any SIM in the world.
Dmw017 said:
Yeah I looked into it and Tmobile is way better than Verizon. I live in NYC so reception shouldnt be a problem at all. Now I'm just trying to figure out if I should import the 16GB model or wait for the 32GB US model :/ bleh ... I wonder when Tmobile will be getting it
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Speaking from personal experience, the problem with T-Mobile in NYC is that as soon as you are a few feet below ground level, you lose signal. When you can get 5 bars, it's great, T-Mobile probably has the least congested network of anyone, and you enjoy superb 3/4G speeds. But you will be frustrated by how spotty the coverage is. Go 20 miles North to Westchester or 20 miles east to LI and you'll often find yourself exiting buildings to get a signal.
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Speaking from personal experience, the problem with T-Mobile in NYC is that as soon as you are a few feet below ground level, you lose signal. When you can get 5 bars, it's great, T-Mobile probably has the least congested network of anyone, and you enjoy superb 3/4G speeds. But you will be frustrated by how spotty the coverage is. Go 20 miles North to Westchester or 20 miles east to LI and you'll often find yourself exiting buildings to get a signal.
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Lol that's alright I don't leave the city anyways. What I am wondering is what happens when you deplete your limited use of the 4g data (I'll get 5gb). Someone told me that you get bumped down to EDGE(2G) speeds, but I thought you only go down to 3G.
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Dmw017 said:
Lol that's alright I don't leave the city anyways. What I am wondering is what happens when you deplete your limited use of the 4g data (I'll get 5gb). Someone told me that you get bumped down to EDGE(2G) speeds, but I thought you only go down to 3G.
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As I (and many others) explained in the other thread about T-mobile:
- You get 5GB of data, that's 4g/3g/2g.
- Once you use all 5GB in a month, you get throttled.
- Throttled speeds are in the range of what EDGE is, even though your phone still says "3G" up in the status bar.
- Once your billing period ends, you get a new 5GB batch of data.
There's no discerning between 4G and 3G by T-mobile. HSPA+ is just a fast version of T-mobile's 3G network. Its not separate.
Just curious has any one looked into metroPCS they say they allow any cdma phone on their network and they have lte. There speeds may not be the greatest and not the best coverage but the price is spot on and unlimited!
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Just curious has any one looked into metroPCS they say they allow any cdma phone on their network and they have lte. There speeds may not be the greatest and not the best coverage but the price is spot on and unlimited!
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Don't think it'll work. You'd have to unlock it somehow, and even then I think theres going to be inconsistencies with the LTE frequencies they use, etc.
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Don't think it'll work. You'd have to unlock it somehow, and even then I think theres going to be inconsistencies with the LTE frequencies they use, etc.
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I thought that all nexus devices where unlocked developer phones. also i just talked to metroPCS and they did say hardware wise any cdma ohone will work and so will the LTE but, there might be a problem with software incompatibilities. but if that is true i would think our fellow xda members would figure out how to fix any software problems
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I thought that all nexus devices where unlocked developer phones. also i just talked to metroPCS and they did say hardware wise any cdma ohone will work and so will the LTE but, there might be a problem with software incompatibilities. but if that is true i would think our fellow xda members would figure out how to fix any software problems
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It won't be unlocked from the factory because 1) its CDMA/LTE with VZW specific bands, and 2) its being made to order for Verizon to subsidize it (which means they will SURELY dictate that its locked).
The Nexus devices have historically been sold full price without a carrier subsidy (and therefore are unlocked) because google wants them to be used anywhere in the world with any SIM card. This is different because there are carriers involved from the start (and the device is CDMA).
Also, I'm pretty sure the LTE won't be interoperable between the two carriers. Verizon will have their own proprietary network stack for use with their LTE service, and it uses slightly different frequencies from other carriers for LTE, specifically so that their devices won't be interoperable with other networks. They want you to buy a VZW phone and stay on VZW (dirty play, but that's how they roll).
Hope that clarifies things a little bit. Now no one knows for sure how much of the issues can be fixed with new firmware flashes, so I guess we'll see when it comes out. For example I know a lot of people use Sprint and Verizon phones with different custom firmware to run on networks like Virgin, Boost, and Cricket in order to cut down the monthly bill.
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It won't be unlocked from the factory because 1) its CDMA/LTE with VZW specific bands, and 2) its being made to order for Verizon to subsidize it (which means they will SURELY dictate that its locked).
The Nexus devices have historically been sold full price without a carrier subsidy (and therefore are unlocked) because google wants them to be used anywhere in the world with any SIM card. This is different because there are carriers involved from the start (and the device is CDMA).
Also, I'm pretty sure the LTE won't be interoperable between the two carriers. Verizon will have their own proprietary network stack for use with their LTE service, and it uses slightly different frequencies from other carriers for LTE, specifically so that their devices won't be interoperable with other networks. They want you to buy a VZW phone and stay on VZW (dirty play, but that's how they roll).
Hope that clarifies things a little bit. Now no one knows for sure how much of the issues can be fixed with new firmware flashes, so I guess we'll see when it comes out. For example I know a lot of people use Sprint and Verizon phones with different custom firmware to run on networks like Virgin, Boost, and Cricket in order to cut down the monthly bill.
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well lets just hope some one out there can figure out how to make a phone like this run on a reasonabale priced carrier well other than t-mobile
Hello
as far as I know this phone can handle the att 3g/4g frequencies if unlocked ..
Does your straigttalk SIM(the att compatabile one) or true att SIM work well with it if anybody is using them ?
What about data speeds ?
Thanks
Please no 2 words answers
Thanks again
me.. me .. i do.. i do lol
Hello. I have great news for anyone that wants to use the Tmobile GalaxySII with a better prepaid service.
I bought the T989 new and then bought a Tmobile Sim card for about $15 from StraightTalk.com
I put the new sim in and changed the APN to StraightTalk apn. It works fabulous.
I get full 4g speeds all day 24/7 and the best thing is I get no throttle.
Tmobile turned me on with there prices but I didnt notice that they throttle there bandwidth to a stupid slow 2g speed after a certain bandwidth usage.
WHY would any company throttle the internet speed with the purpose to have a smart phone is fast internet? The speed went from 4g to 2g. Not 3g. We are talking 56k modem speed. This pissed me off so bad, I went with StraightTalk just 2 weeks after I activated the T989 with Tbobile using there prepaid. Well, not only is Tmobile prepaid $5 more than the StraightTalk service, But the Tmobile service, as I said is very inferior to StraightTalk.
No Im not a representative of either of these companies.
I did allot of research about using this phone with any sim I wanted and compared price vs performance of what I get for the money.
I can tell you that you will not find any prepaid service cheaper and with unlimited everything when using with the T989.
Ive compared ATT, Verizon, Virgin, Boost, Net10. All of um I could find. None were cheaper and none offered so much. I ended up sticking with Tmobile service cause of the speed they use vs ATT. I couldnt even use the phone with other services due to the technology they offered. Some services are not compatible with this particular Gs2 model. I suggest you use it with Tmobile towers to get the full performance of the internet. Tmobile uses a specific technology to get full internet speeds, which I think is better than ATT. .
I really wanted to stay with Tmobile, but I gotta tell ya, they sucked. MANY people complain about getting just edge speed when using the Tmobile prepaid service. No kidding! Its cause they purposely throttle the speed! Look at teh small print on there advertisements! They have a few different so called unlimited plans. The price goes stupid high to like $70 just to get full bandwidth speeds to decent usage. With StraightTalk its always full bandwidth and the kicker is that they use Tmobile towers! They dont throttle the speed at all. I dont get anything lower than 9mb down and 3.5 to 4 gb up.
Its $45 a month.Vs anywhere from 50 to $70 depending on the useage for internet you want.
Why did I choose this phone vs other cool phones ?
Well.
THIS phone , when properly setup with apps or a certain rom, can tether wirelessly to your laptop with NO additional tether charges ( which Tmobile charges I think $15 extra ). SO if you are in an area where you have no wifi and need to use your laptop for internet, do what I do. use the GS2 at a wireless router and get very fast internet speeds! Its no extra charge and a quick solution to no wifi.
Just remember to use the FOXFI appto do this no extra charge tethering. No special rom or hacks needed.
Check my other thread about the roms Ive used.
nickcaper said:
Hello. I have great news for anyone that wants to use the Tmobile GalaxySII with a better prepaid service.
I bought the T989 new and then bought a Tmobile Sim card for about $15 from StraightTalk.com
I put the new sim in and changed the APN to StraightTalk apn. It works fabulous.
I get full 4g speeds all day 24/7 and the best thing is I get no throttle.
Tmobile turned me on with there prices but I didnt notice that they throttle there bandwidth to a stupid slow 2g speed after a certain bandwidth usage.
WHY would any company throttle the internet speed with the purpose to have a smart phone is fast internet? The speed went from 4g to 2g. Not 3g. We are talking 56k modem speed. This pissed me off so bad, I went with StraightTalk just 2 weeks after I activated the T989 with Tbobile using there prepaid. Well, not only is Tmobile prepaid $5 more than the StraightTalk service, But the Tmobile service, as I said is very inferior to StraightTalk.
No Im not a representative of either of these companies.
I did allot of research about using this phone with any sim I wanted and compared price vs performance of what I get for the money.
I can tell you that you will not find any prepaid service cheaper and with unlimited everything when using with the T989.
Ive compared ATT, Verizon, Virgin, Boost, Net10. All of um I could find. None were cheaper and none offered so much. I ended up sticking with Tmobile service cause of the speed they use vs ATT. I couldnt even use the phone with other services due to the technology they offered. Some services are not compatible with this particular Gs2 model. I suggest you use it with Tmobile towers to get the full performance of the internet. Tmobile uses a specific technology to get full internet speeds, which I think is better than ATT. .
I really wanted to stay with Tmobile, but I gotta tell ya, they sucked. MANY people complain about getting just edge speed when using the Tmobile prepaid service. No kidding! Its cause they purposely throttle the speed! Look at teh small print on there advertisements! They have a few different so called unlimited plans. The price goes stupid high to like $70 just to get full bandwidth speeds to decent usage. With StraightTalk its always full bandwidth and the kicker is that they use Tmobile towers! They dont throttle the speed at all. I dont get anything lower than 9mb down and 3.5 to 4 gb up.
Its $45 a month.Vs anywhere from 50 to $70 depending on the useage for internet you want.
Why did I choose this phone vs other cool phones ?
Well.
THIS phone , when properly setup with apps or a certain rom, can tether wirelessly to your laptop with NO additional tether charges ( which Tmobile charges I think $15 extra ). SO if you are in an area where you have no wifi and need to use your laptop for internet, do what I do. use the GS2 at a wireless router and get very fast internet speeds! Its no extra charge and a quick solution to no wifi.
Just remember to use the FOXFI appto do this no extra charge tethering. No special rom or hacks needed.
Check my other thread about the roms Ive used.
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are u sure u get 4g ? on they website only say 3g
Is it possible to use the straighttalk via At and T? I have a tmobile phone but it has been blocked on their network (bought from craigslist) . I was wondering if it can be salvaged and used on at and t.
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Is it possible to use the straighttalk via At and T? I have a tmobile phone but it has been blocked on their network (bought from craigslist) . I was wondering if it can be salvaged and used on at and t.
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does it have the proper at&t bands or an at&t radio from the equivalent phone ...
if so you choose at&t compatible when you get the sim/apn from their website
Yeah, say that to your account getting terminated next week. Congratulations.
StraightTalk has a cap of 2GBS!!!! it depends on your luck, but if u get more than 4GBS, you will be suspended in the upcoming days.. T-mobile's monthly4g plans are the only way to get 5GBs for only $30.....
Have fun getting terminated.
There's a big thread about this in the galaxy nexus forums. I own both devices so I hop back & forth between the 2. It is common knowledge that straight talk does not publish their data cap, but rather they kick you off the network. Streaming more than a couple of YouTube videos/day violates their terms of service. This being said, if straight talk is working out for you, good for you. It is a much cheaper alternative. Also, you mention a $5 more T-Mobile plan.... you do realize that the $50 tmo plan includes only 100mb at 4g speeds & then throttling... tmo does offer $60 unlimited talk/text & 2gb of 4g data...
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I've got t mobile's $30 with 5GB & a bunch of texts, enough for Mr anyway, but only 100 minutes. But I don't talk much
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I got T-Mobile 5g for $20 on android prefered plan. I thought 5g was $25.
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Couldn't find it. What are the details?
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I just called they don't do it anymore.
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Oh that sucks. Np tho, I still have 5gb for $30, which you can't get anywhere else.
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Look folks. Seriosuly. All this crap about Tmobile being better is bull****.
I know first hand cause I tried Tmobile with the GS2 then used it with Straight talk.
I still have it on Straighttalk. I installed a data counter. I can see the data I use on 4g vs wifi. I keep the useage down on the phone. I use about 2g a month. Wifi is much more. BUT the speeds is what is most important. Lets do a comparison.
Tmobile 50$ plan gets you *First 100MB at up to 4G speeds then goes to 2 g. There 60$ pan gets you ***First 2GB at up to 4G speeds. This plan is the same data you will get using StraightTalk but $15 more. And for 70$ with Tmobile you get ****First 5GB at up to 4G speeds. WHich is 25$ more and I must say when yoiu are on a budget it does make a difference. Now, I have done several speed tests and compaed my results to 4g and 3G. Then I compared it to my Wifi. Here are the results. My Wifi results show I get 20mb down and 2mb up. This is pretty accurate for what I pay for with my home internet. using just the phone and not wifi I get 4.5mb down and 1.7mb up. I use the speed.net Android app. Just do a search for speed test in android market. It looks like a big speedometer. I get no throttles. And Actually sometimes I get faster speeds on my cell 4g. Ive gotten upto 9mbs! No joke. Most people are getting at most around 2.1mb down on 4g networks. If youre lucky you will get really high 20mb down. WHat people dont understand is that Tmobile has a special channel they use for there data that provides better speeds. Called HSPA+ where at ATT and Verizon use LTE which they claim is faster but no sorry it aint. Do youtube searches and you can see for yourself. So if you use a Tmobile phone on any other network, you wont get the fastest speeds possible. Sure Tmobile and ATT use the same network but NOT the same channels ( frequencies ) So What I did was I choose to get a Tmobile sim card to use the HSPA+ channel. That enables my phone to work at full network speeds. Problem with Tmobile prepaid vs StraightTalk is that Tmobile throttles. SO lets say I get just 3g speeds like some of you keep saying. Well its still a whole lot better than 2g with Tmobile ( look at the price and data useage on Tmobiles cheapest plan ) For example. Lets say we use at most 2g monthly data. Tmobile will cost you $15 more for the same speed and data amount that Straight Talk offers. So WHY use Tmobile? Go check out this video youtu.be/7IBCtS0jmag
I wouldnt bull**** you . I got the phone in my hand and know what Im talking about. BTW I had a Nokia E71 and used it with StraightTalk and always got HsPa speeds which is way up there past 3G. The phone wasnt 4G capable but It would show 3.5G on the screen. The vid I just asked you to watch explains all the speeds. I am infact getting 4 G with StraighTalk.
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Yeah, say that to your account getting terminated next week. Congratulations.
StraightTalk has a cap of 2GBS!!!! it depends on your luck, but if u get more than 4GBS, you will be suspended in the upcoming days.. T-mobile's monthly4g plans are the only way to get 5GBs for only $30.....
Have fun getting terminated.
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Dude you got a bad attitude. Im telling you all this for YOUR benefit.
I been having this phone now for 3 months. No problems at all.
Before this phone I had a Nokia E71 using the ATT sim and got 3.5G speeds. All this crap about only getting 3G is hearsay. Hey if you wanna whine and complain do it in the mirror. I know what Im getting.
You may get something different depending on your area. All I know is that the straighTalk plan is cheaper.
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does it have the proper at&t bands or an at&t radio from the equivalent phone ...
if so you choose at&t compatible when you get the sim/apn from their website
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i double checked it does have the proper at&t bands and radio. Tmobile galaxy s2 with att sim should be able to get 3g speeds. My biggest question is, does tmobile and ATT share blacklist. If they do this means phone will be blacklisted even after unlocked. If not then phone will be able to be used with ATT sim
oh brother
nickcaper said:
Look folks. Seriosuly. All this crap about Tmobile being better is bull****.
I know first hand cause I tried Tmobile with the GS2 then used it with Straight talk.
I still have it on Straighttalk. I installed a data counter. I can see the data I use on 4g vs wifi. I keep the useage down on the phone. I use about 2g a month. Wifi is much more. BUT the speeds is what is most important. Lets do a comparison.
Tmobile 50$ plan gets you *First 100MB at up to 4G speeds then goes to 2 g. There 60$ pan gets you ***First 2GB at up to 4G speeds. This plan is the same data you will get using StraightTalk but $15 more. And for 70$ with Tmobile you get ****First 5GB at up to 4G speeds. WHich is 25$ more and I must say when yoiu are on a budget it does make a difference. Now, I have done several speed tests and compaed my results to 4g and 3G. Then I compared it to my Wifi. Here are the results. My Wifi results show I get 20mb down and 2mb up. This is pretty accurate for what I pay for with my home internet. using just the phone and not wifi I get 4.5mb down and 1.7mb up. I use the speed.net Android app. Just do a search for speed test in android market. It looks like a big speedometer. I get no throttles. And Actually sometimes I get faster speeds on my cell 4g. Ive gotten upto 9mbs! No joke. Most people are getting at most around 2.1mb down on 4g networks. If youre lucky you will get really high 20mb down. WHat people dont understand is that Tmobile has a special channel they use for there data that provides better speeds. Called HSPA+ where at ATT and Verizon use LTE which they claim is faster but no sorry it aint. Do youtube searches and you can see for yourself. So if you use a Tmobile phone on any other network, you wont get the fastest speeds possible. Sure Tmobile and ATT use the same network but NOT the same channels ( frequencies ) So What I did was I choose to get a Tmobile sim card to use the HSPA+ channel. That enables my phone to work at full network speeds. Problem with Tmobile prepaid vs StraightTalk is that Tmobile throttles. SO lets say I get just 3g speeds like some of you keep saying. Well its still a whole lot better than 2g with Tmobile ( look at the price and data useage on Tmobiles cheapest plan ) For example. Lets say we use at most 2g monthly data. Tmobile will cost you $15 more for the same speed and data amount that Straight Talk offers. So WHY use Tmobile? Go check out this video youtu.be/7IBCtS0jmag
I wouldnt bull**** you . I got the phone in my hand and know what Im talking about. BTW I had a Nokia E71 and used it with StraightTalk and always got HsPa speeds which is way up there past 3G. The phone wasnt 4G capable but It would show 3.5G on the screen. The vid I just asked you to watch explains all the speeds. I am infact getting 4 G with StraighTalk.
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Dude you got a bad attitude. Im telling you all this for YOUR benefit.
I been having this phone now for 3 months. No problems at all.
Before this phone I had a Nokia E71 using the ATT sim and got 3.5G speeds. All this crap about only getting 3G is hearsay. Hey if you wanna whine and complain do it in the mirror. I know what Im getting.
You may get something different depending on your area. All I know is that the straighTalk plan is cheaper.
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jeez.i had a nokia e71 on straight talk a couple of years ago,the speed was fair,but it isn't even capable of hspa.
i went over the data limit one month,i got no warning,no throttle.
at the end of the month my account was banned.
i am on month 8 of tmobile's 5 gb 100 minute plan.i recommend it highly.
in fact i added a second account i like it so well.
i make calls over wifi using bobsled calling,does not count against your minutes,and has good sound quality.that has been my experience,i'll refrain from any disparaging comments.
I am on ATT with Unlimited $30 iPhone plan. My main is iPhone 4S yet I just love my T989 and sometimes I switch. Here is what I can say about data. IT is fast and it's 100% not EDGE yet I think for some reason it's not as fast as my 4S (data wise) If needed I can provide speedtest.net test results from same location with 4S and T989 and you'll see that T989 is slightly slower, I'd say I'll get solid 250KB/sec download and about 100KB/sec upload with T989 and about 340/150 with iPhone. Also in Games like Order and Chaos I see iPhone performs a bit better latency wise (now that kinda make no sense but oh well) So here is my 2 cents
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jeez.i had a nokia e71 on straight talk a couple of years ago,the speed was fair,but it isn't even capable of hspa.
i went over the data limit one month,i got no warning,no throttle.
at the end of the month my account was banned.
i am on month 8 of tmobile's 5 gb 100 minute plan.i recommend it highly.
in fact i added a second account i like it so well.
i make calls over wifi using bobsled calling,does not count against your minutes,and has good sound quality.that has been my experience,i'll refrain from any disparaging comments.
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100 minutes might be fine if you sit at home all day with a wifi connection but what about people on the go?
So far i havent been banned or blacklisted.
Ive tried the Tmobile service and its great but again, the throttle is what sux. WHY do they even bother doin that? Im sick of the greedy things these companies do to make money. Its suppose to be unlimited BUt, And you have a smart phone but cant fully use it unless..... its always some bull****.
As for Nokia, yea I got 3.5g all the time. Said it right there on the phone.
BTW. I cant wifi on the T989 cause I dont use Tmobile. Only Tmobile service enables wifi calling.
All they gotta do is take that throttle bull**** off and Ill go with them.
If Straight talk can do it and do it cheaper then why cant Tmobile do it?
There loss.
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I am on ATT with Unlimited $30 iPhone plan. My main is iPhone 4S yet I just love my T989 and sometimes I switch. Here is what I can say about data. IT is fast and it's 100% not EDGE yet I think for some reason it's not as fast as my 4S (data wise) If needed I can provide speedtest.net test results from same location with 4S and T989 and you'll see that T989 is slightly slower, I'd say I'll get solid 250KB/sec download and about 100KB/sec upload with T989 and about 340/150 with iPhone. Also in Games like Order and Chaos I see iPhone performs a bit better latency wise (now that kinda make no sense but oh well) So here is my 2 cents
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Man that is some really slow speeds.
Rememeber, the T989 s meant to work with HSPA+ not LTE.
Using the T989 on anything other than Tmobile may yield slower speeds that you would usually get. The phone works with totally different frequency channels. Although you will get data it wont be as fast. The data frequency on the T989 is not compatible with the ATT data frequency. They arent the same. So people get slow speeds when using the T989 on ATT service. Tmobile uses 1900mhz for HSPA+ which is 4G. The 1900Mhz channel ATT uses only gives HSPA not HSPA+. HSPA is just 3G. In 2013 Tmobile will start using the 1700/2100mhz channels for LTE but your T989 will still only be setup for 1900Mhz HSPA+. ATT uses 1700/2100mhz channels for 4g. As you can see these 2 companies uses different channels to get 4g speeds.
So again, if you have a T989 Always always use a Tmobile sim card with StraighTalk or use Tmobile as your service. If you dont, the phone will not receive proper 1900Mhz data frequencies and wont get high internet speeds.
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I used to own a G2X for the tomobile network and now I have a galaxy s2, but the thing I remember going on in the g2x forums was that there was a hack to make it so that your phone wouldn't get throttled if you went over the cap limit on tmobiles network. I don't know if such a thing exists for our gs2 but if it doesn't might not hurt to ask the dev guys for help on this being a possibiltu for our phones.
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100 minutes might be fine if you sit at home all day with a wifi connection but what about people on the go?
So far i havent been banned or blacklisted.
Ive tried the Tmobile service and its great but again, the throttle is what sux. WHY do they even bother doin that? Im sick of the greedy things these companies do to make money. Its suppose to be unlimited BUt, And you have a smart phone but cant fully use it unless..... its always some bull****.
As for Nokia, yea I got 3.5g all the time. Said it right there on the phone.
BTW. I cant wifi on the T989 cause I dont use Tmobile. Only Tmobile service enables wifi calling.
All they gotta do is take that throttle bull**** off and Ill go with them.
If Straight talk can do it and do it cheaper then why cant Tmobile do it?
There loss.
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Man that is some really slow speeds.
Rememeber, the T989 s meant to work with HSPA+ not LTE.
Using the T989 on anything other than Tmobile may yield slower speeds that you would usually get. The phone works with totally different frequency channels. Although you will get data it wont be as fast. The data frequency on the T989 is not compatible with the ATT data frequency. They arent the same. So people get slow speeds when using the T989 on ATT service. Tmobile uses 1900mhz for HSPA+ which is 4G. The 1900Mhz channel ATT uses only gives HSPA not HSPA+. HSPA is just 3G. In 2013 Tmobile will start using the 1700/2100mhz channels for LTE but your T989 will still only be setup for 1900Mhz HSPA+. ATT uses 1700/2100mhz channels for 4g. As you can see these 2 companies uses different channels to get 4g speeds.
So again, if you have a T989 Always always use a Tmobile sim card with StraighTalk or use Tmobile as your service. If you dont, the phone will not receive proper 1900Mhz data frequencies and wont get high internet speeds.
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Well in that case if possible explain this. Let's make this simple. There is EDGE that will give you like 10KB sec at most ....then there is 3G that will give you anything from lower 100kb to as high as 8Mbit / sec ( I get easy 8Mbit/sec on Brighton Beach 11235 ZIP CODE) now T989 is not EDGE it's simply too fast for that and you saying it does not have proper band for ATT 3G ..so what does is works on then ? Because in my understanding T989 by TMobile is ONLY SGS2 phone that support all carriers with 3G speeds. I may be wrong but all I know is this. It works not as good as iPhone on ATT but I can listen radio and make Skype calls with video and watch youtube movies when let's say other Tmobile phones and using edge I can hardly get email going with ATT SIM and forget about any multimedia.
I think you are not fully educated on the cell phone technologies.
Cell phones have the capability to work on all old technologies. Or at least most old technologies. In other words, todays cell phones are backward compatible with Edge and 2G and even 3G. The Galaxy S2 is a 4g phone. NOT just 3G. but can work on 3G as well. It gets 4G by using the HSPA+ carrier. Others use LTE like your Iphone.
You should look at the chart again and made a study of it.
Your Iphone you have is manufactured to work with ATT. It has a special radio in it that is specifically setup to work with ATT 4G LTE which is any of the 3 channels in the chart for ATT. The 3 channels ATT uses to get 4G is 700mhz, 1700 and 2100Mhz. 4g goes way up to around 20+mb download. Your ATT iPhone also works on 3G but ATT's 3g channels are 850 and 1900mhz and use the HSPA carrier. NOT HSPA+ which Tmobile uses to get 4G. But Tmobile does some magic and uses the ATT HSPA channels and turns them into 4G by using HSPA+ !!!!
If you look at the TMobile chart you can see that its VERY beneficial to use there network and phones for 2 reasons. First, If you use Tmobile you will get very fast data speeds which many say is the fastest. Second reason is, that Tmobile uses a totally different set of channels to get that data speed PLUS allows you to use your ATT phone on there channels AND get 4G speeds that ATT would only yield 3G! Ill give you the big picture here. MOSt phones right now, that ATT user have are working in the 850mhz to 1900mhz range. That gives the ATT user a 3G speed and they will see around 2.1mb downloads at best. The really cool thing about Tmobile is that if you take your ATT phone and port it over to Tmobile, that same 1900mhz is now running at 4g speeds due to the HSPA+ technology Tmobile uses. And you didnt even have to do anything !!!
Many people have said that when porting over to Tmobile they get faster speeds. This is why.
The only time ATT will be the same speed as Tmobile is when you have an ATT phone like an Iphone 4 that runs on the LTE network. Of course there are other new phones that use the LTE technology on ATT but for most people right now, they are still using the 3G channels because they bought there phones a year or 2 ago and LTE was not out then.
If You are getting high speeds on your Iphone 4 and not on your GS2 then its due to one reason. Reception. The GS2 cant recieve LTE speeds which on paper says its way faster than Tmobile. As I said it can be upto 20+mb download. Many people dont get that but some do. HSPA+ will get 8mb with a very good signal and that is not a bad download at all. Its very good actually. Soon, in 2013 Tmobile will be upgrading to LTE so dont worry about speed. Tmobile will be way up there with ATT and while ATT still has the Iphone, Android is right there coming out with phones that smoke Iphone. Tmobile offers 4G speeds with 3G channels. Noone else does that. Its cause they want people to port over to there service.
I hope you can understand what Im saying now.
I bought 2x Samsung Galaxy Note 2 phones off newegg for $650 each. These are unlocked phones, specifically, this device:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16875176414
The data service for just about everyone I've tried sucks horribly. I decided to give T-Mobile a try since they offer 4G HSPA+ 42 in this area.
The person in the store says that I can buy prepaid sim cards. I wind up ordering them over the phone since they only cost $1 instead of $30 for a microsim if you order it that way. The website says I can get 2GB of 4G data per month for $60. I pay my $66 and change after tax.
Immediately, I notice I am getting crappy 2G / Edge comparable speeds. I call customer service and they tell me that because the phones are unlocked and not bought from T-Mobile that 2G / Edge is the maximum speed I can get and that 4G speeds are not possible without purchasing a phone direct from T-Mobile. Neither the person in the store, nor the person that sold me the sim over the phone mentioned this and they are refusing a refund.
Is there any truth to what they are saying about not being able to get 4G if I don't purchase direct from the service provider. Are there any work arounds?
I'm burning with rage right now.
Thanks,
-Bob
r0b126 said:
I bought 2x Samsung Galaxy Note 2 phones off newegg for $650 each. These are unlocked phones, specifically, this device:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16875176414
The data service for just about everyone I've tried sucks horribly. I decided to give T-Mobile a try since they offer 4G HSPA+ 42 in this area.
The person in the store says that I can buy prepaid sim cards. I wind up ordering them over the phone since they only cost $1 instead of $30 for a microsim if you order it that way. The website says I can get 2GB of 4G data per month for $60. I pay my $66 and change after tax.
Immediately, I notice I am getting crappy 2G / Edge comparable speeds. I call customer service and they tell me that because the phones are unlocked and not bought from T-Mobile that 2G / Edge is the maximum speed I can get and that 4G speeds are not possible without purchasing a phone direct from T-Mobile. Neither the person in the store, nor the person that sold me the sim over the phone mentioned this and they are refusing a refund.
Is there any truth to what they are saying about not being able to get 4G if I don't purchase direct from the service provider. Are there any work arounds?
I'm burning with rage right now.
Thanks,
-Bob
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They told you right about the Edge. Our phones don't use the band that T-Mobile uses for 3G.
what about 4G? and are there any work arounds for this? How is t-mobile selling the galaxy note 2 to its customers with the 4g service?
Are there any providers that offer faster than 2G / Edge for Galaxy Note 2?
Also, http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16875176414
I posted a bad link in the original thread earlier
Kno you will have to ... go with Att .. man and there prepaid is not as good as Tmoble ..... Blahhhhhhhhhh that sucks
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I use Straight Talk with AT&T and it has 3G. Thing is AT&T & ST are parting ways. You can only find Straight Talk AT&T Sim cards on Walmart.com & eBay now, and they're going fast. Straight will only be using T-Mobile and that will suck. I'll change so fast their heads will spin if they try to force me from AT&T to T-Mobile.
Although the International Note II's don't have same bands as Tmobiles HSPA+ and you normally will only get 2g/Edge, if you are one of the lucky ones in a TMobile refarmed area you should get HSPA.
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T-Mobile's version of the Note 2 has the HSPA+/4G band for their specific network which the N7105 doesnt have..
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Well A) you've bought an n7100 which doesn't support dc-HSDPA anyway so you'd only get up to 21 instead of 42mbps
B) you bought it without checking if it supports the radio bands you need for your carrier, which it doesn't, which is why you're only getting 2g speeds. It's nothing to do with t mobile capping you to 2g
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Immediately, I notice I am getting crappy 2G / Edge comparable speeds. I call customer service and they tell me that because the phones are unlocked and not bought from T-Mobile that 2G / Edge is the maximum speed I can get and that 4G speeds are not possible without purchasing a phone direct from T-Mobile. Neither the person in the store, nor the person that sold me the sim over the phone mentioned this and they are refusing a refund.
Is there any truth to what they are saying about not being able to get 4G if I don't purchase direct from the service provider. Are there any work arounds?
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Wow, lots of wrong information both there and in this thread.
This is a quick post so some of my numbers might be wrong, but here's the basics:
Two years ago, t-mobile's 3G/4G relied on the 1700 band, which the N7100 doesn't support.
To make a long story short, t-mobile is using 1700 for LTE, and moving their 3G onto the univerally supported 1900 band, which works on our N7100 and most international phones.
This is a gradual rollout. If your area has been 'moved', you'll get 3G. And by gradual I mean one tower at a time.
I don't think they expect full US 1900 3G till end of 2013.
It's only recently that NY had enough 1900 band support that I have now decided to move over to t-mobile.
we might not support 4200, I did some random spot testing and I think I was only getting 2100.
Previously, with my note 1, I had to dump t-mobile and go to AT&T which fully supports 1900.
- Frank
I went to Dallas the other day and brought the Tmobile sim with me. The my speed changed from E to H+ (sometimes 3G) and the data connection was considerably faster than 2g or 3g, but I frequently get a message stating, "You have lost data connectivity because y".... the rest of the message is cut off and I haven't found a way to read the entire thing because touching it brings me to a settings screen and trying to move the text by swiping or sliding clears the message.