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Hi,
I'm looking for a stable PPC Phone and have narrowed my choices down to the XDA IIi (Alpine) and IIs (Blue Angel).
I'm currently leaning towards the XDA IIs as it seems to have a stronger user base, has an inbuilt keyboard and almost all the features of the IIi - the IIi's 1.3MP camera is a non issue for me, IIi's BT 1.2 is only a revised implementation to prevent inteference with Wi-Fi networks, both have 128MB RAM, ROM size is irrelevant taking into account the prices of 2GB SD cards today. The 520Mhz (IIi/Alpine) vs 400Mhz (IIs/Blue Angel) clock speeds is the only disconcerting factor - I've read reviews that vouch this difference is not noticeable in general usage of the device, but can affect gaming/video playback.
I need some reassurance if the XDA IIs' PXA263 400Mhz CPU can adequately handle video playback of networked video files over Wi-Fi with TCPMP -- not re-encoded files, but High quality 1500Kbps 6xx * 4xx resolution XVIDs with AC3/MP3 audio. According to this link on TCPMP's webpage - http://blogs.shintak.info/articles/11359.aspx - Blue Angel devices don't seem very capable at handling very high quality XVID/DIVXs...?
If anyone is currently using the IIs/PDA2K and TCPMP with HQ XVID/DIVX please share your experiences as this feature is particularly important to me. In fact the large 3.5" screen size on the IIi/IIs is the only reason that I'm not considering the newer Atom/Prophet/Wizard platforms!!
Thanks,
Vin
For a small amount of money i have over-clocked my XDAIIi to 663Mhz using XCPUscalar, very nice! It's about 30% faster, I use very high quality AVI files. I would assume you can do the same for the IIs but not quite the 663, 30% on 400Mhz maybe?
The IIs will over clock upto a maximum of 472MHz using the XCPUscaler, the big benefit in using this application (to me) is when on auto scale with CPU load, quite often it will slow the unit down reducing the battery power and therefore extending the battery usage, not many applications need full power all the time.
As for the inbuilt keyboard, I tried it for a couple of days then gave up - buttons too small to be of practical use IMHO.
Never tried video over a wifi connection but the device will quite easily play back video from the memory card - Mike
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The IIs will over clock upto a maximum of 472MHz using the XCPUscaler
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really? mine is running fine @ 597mhz
great, so the IIs can be overclocked for gaming/video playback!
but have you actually tried to watch a high resolution, 1000+kbps DIVX/XVID file over a WiFi connection? I really need to know if this is possible, because if i have to manually copy videos to the SDcard and/or re-encode videos then I'm better served by my PSP with its 4.2inch screen!
And if wireless/hassle free movie watching if taken out of the equation, i'm not going to buy a IIi/IIs today - i'd rather get a Eten M600 (Atom clone) or the HTC Wizard (imate K-Jam/XDA Mini S)...
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The IIs will over clock upto a maximum of 472MHz using the XCPUscaler, the big benefit in using this application (to me) is when on auto scale with CPU load, quite often it will slow the unit down reducing the battery power and therefore extending the battery usage, not many applications need full power all the time.
As for the inbuilt keyboard, I tried it for a couple of days then gave up - buttons too small to be of practical use IMHO.
Never tried video over a wifi connection but the device will quite easily play back video from the memory card - Mike
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I have overclocked mine to 600+ mhz.
I was thinking the other day, "What if I could lower my screen quality and save battery that way?" So I did some googling and found the quoted text below at http://www.droid-life.com/2013/03/2...nge-display-qualities-based-on-battery-level/ . Has anyone heard of work done on this kind of thing? Note that it mentions only disabling blur and animations; what about screen quality?
"Battery life in a mobile device is very important. All your fancy specs won’t mean anything if you can’t keep it turned on more than 15 minutes, so we’re seeing companies either putting bigger batteries in their phone like Motorola’s MAXX line or trying to innovate to make batteries last longer. Seeing as how the display in a device is usually the biggest battery drain on a device, Google has just been granted a patent that allows Android to read the battery life of a phone and change the display accordingly.
In this listing, the fine print lays out the procedure of how this patent will work. Depending on the amount of battery left, the operating system will change the display to lessen the amount of power it draws by disabling blur and animations between screens. If the battery is extremely low the operating system can even lower the resolution of the display."
I haven't seen or heard, probably since I never thought about it would be neat to turn down an HD screen to reserve battery. Only thing i can think of which is says the animations such as; moving through apps or landscape to portrait rotations
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Hi all
Really fancy buying the moto 360 but most of the reviews slate the old processor that is inside the watch, and they say because of this it's not really future proof.
Can anyone else see this watch struggle to use the new apps that come out for Android wear in say a years time?
The watches interface feels fine and snappy. Most apps I believe will really run on your smartphone and output its results to your watch. So the watch is really acting like a terminal to your phone and this is the way it should be. I know for a fact Google now voice recognition works this way on the watch.. Newer versions of Android Wear will be rolling out optimizing battery and performance, this has already made great impact on the Moto 360 since it came out.
How much processor does it need? Seems like just a bluetooth interface with a phone to me.
I'm going to go out on a limb and say if you like the design of the watch, buy it.
I think it will be more than a year before a better round smartwatch comes along.
Why? Motorola designed their ass off with this one: http://youtube.com/Nz7MjoCykNU
The processor is a trade-off, by going with the older one they simplify design and lower the price point. But it's like a computer, if your processor is fast enough so that memory is your bottleneck there is no reason to upgrade.
The only so-so thing about it was battery life, and the update basically solved that... With future updates it's only going to get better, and it's already great!
Omap ti is the same processor that was used for galaxy nexus.. Its a dual core processor and does a decent job on the 360.. Its not laggy by any means, especially after the recent update
It's more than enough processor for the current state of Android Wear. It may not support the bells and whistles of 2nd and 3rd gen watches, but should remain as usable in 1-2 years as it is today.
My hunch is that for most folks the physical abuse the watch takes will reduce it's life span more than anything. At the current price point (and what I would assume would be cheaper watches down the road) I don't see it being practical to repair/replace anything (except the band) on anything except a very new device.
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Omap ti is the same processor that was used for galaxy nexus.. Its a dual core processor and does a decent job on the 360.. Its not laggy by any means, especially after the recent update
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Cores are somewhat irrelevant. Even the "better" processor used in other watches are limited to running one core only.
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I was concerned about this too. I ordered my 360 the day they released and over the following days read reviews mentioning the weak CPU used in it. I was pretty annoyed, especially since I already owned the cheaper G Watch, which had a much better CPU in it. Over the first couple weeks of owning it, i went back and forth between "Man, the G Watch animations were noticeably smoother, better battery life... " and "How much does the CPU/animation smoothness really matter in the end?".
After the most recent update, the battery life and animation smoothness have both improved, and I rarely find myself resentfully thinking about the older CPU in my watch. It just works, and well.
In short: I wouldnt let the comparatively weak specs put you off - it is more than enough to power the current functionality of Android Wear (and I cant imagine what else they would add that you would need "future proofing" for in the smart watch, aside from the independent GPS and music playback features theyre supposedly going to be adding, which TBH i wouldnt even use or want, unnecessary battery drain). If you want a smart watch, this is the one to get.
Wait for the lg watch R. ..its coming out next week
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Wait for the lg watch R. ..its coming out next week
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not in the US...
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LG's round-faced G Watch R smartwatch was only announced back in August, but it's coming out next week — if you live in South Korea. LG yesterday confirmed the new Android Wear device will be launching in its home country on October 14th, for a price of 352,000 won, which at current exchange rates, clocks in at a tax-inclusive price of around $328. There's still no release date or price for the device in the US or Europe, but LG's cheaper G Watch was originally priced at 277,000 won in Korean and $230 in the US, meaning the G Watch R is likely to cost around $290 before taxes are added for US sales.
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Wait for the lg watch R. ..its coming out next week
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That's what I thought at first but, man, that HUGE bezel.
Do you like what it does? How it looks? That should drive your decision. If you're not sure, you can wait until something better comes out. Of course there will always be something better over the horizon, but the 360 can be had today. Is that worth anything to you?
How it looks was enough to cause me to skip over the earlier watches and wait for the 360. I have not been disappointed. It is a little irritating that Moto chose not to go with the latest and greatest processor. But screen probably dominates battery life and whereas the processor would be dated for a modern phone but seems like it performs adequately in a watch.
no buyer's remorse here!
To be honest, I now appreciate what Motorola did with the 360, processor-wise.
The Snapdragon 400 chip used in other wearable devices is heavily crippled (3 out of 4 cores disabled) and also I believe that the graphics engine is heavily underclocked in order to preserve battery. And there is no way for the cores to be "unlocked" in future updates since the battery has limited capacity. So the S400 is only a name, but it has nothing to do with the S400 from the smartphones.
The problem today, that all the manufacturers have, is that there is no processor truly designed for wearable devices, which means low computing power, low graphics power, small footprint (to allow for larger battery) but with very low power requirements. I suppose these will come in 1-2 years, hopefully sooner.
What Motorola did was to choose the right processor for the right job (the latest battery-improving update shows this too), and especially for the right price. Many people think that the $250USD / 250EUR / 200GBP is more than fair price, and the continuous lack of stock also shows that this is true.
Why use a quarter of a Snapdragon 400 and unnecessarily increase the overall price (example: the LG G Watch R will be priced at 300EUR) ? Remember, there are (much) fewer than 330x290 pixels to drive, and a very simplified OS to run.
I think this whole processor discussion is much to do about nothing. I don't believe that hardly anyone, if they hadn't been able to see the processor on a spec sheet, would even complain about the processor because I don't see that it has any impact on the use of the device.
People forget that OMAP 3630 in moto 360 clocked at 1ghz runs Android 4.4 in Motorola Defy with 480x854 pixel without a hiccup today.
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What Motorola did was to choose the right processor for the right job (the latest battery-improving update shows this too), and especially for the right price.
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Not everybody is reporting improvements, or at least not to the level of this thing actually being usable.
So far, I have been unable to get below 4% an hour consumption with light to light-moderate usage and almost no app usage on the latest update, and if the thing is used much at all, consumption is more like 8% an hour. In two of the last four days, I have been unable to get through a single day of light to light-moderate usage without running out of battery altogether, to where the watch powered off completely.
Part of the reason for that is down to Motorola's choice of processor. There is a lot more to it than just performance; the processor Motorola chose is using 8-9 year old process technology, and one core on this processor is using far more power than one core on a more modern processor. In the process, it is wasting battery life simply generating heat.
If the unneeded cores in other smartwatches are completely disabled so as not to waste power, then chances are they will use less power. And if the individual cores are faster, those cores will be active for less time to complete any given task, which will allow them to return to sleep sooner.
There's a lot more to this than simply which is newest or which is cheapest. It's far more subtle than that, and I'm not convinced Motorola has made a smart decision.
Really. What do you plan on doing with your Moto360? HD video editing or large format image processing? C'mon, man.
Much like current phones, the processing power FAR outpaces any software you're going to run on this device. CPU power on a smart watch is a total non-issue.
And for the record, since the last update I take my watch off of the dock at 0730 daily. When it hits the dock again at 2300 I never see less than 30% remaining.
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Really. What do you plan on doing with your Moto360? HD video editing or large format image processing? C'mon, man.
Much like current phones, the processing power FAR outpaces any software you're going to run on this device. CPU power on a smart watch is a total non-issue.
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As I just said, it has nothing to do with CPU power. A CPU made on a smaller process will waste less power as heat. A CPU that is faster will be in operation for less time, so may actually use less power on a given process size.
And for the record, since the last update I take my watch off of the dock at 0730 daily. When it hits the dock again at 2300 I never see less than 30% remaining.
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You're lucky. I'd love for that to be the case. Right now, I'm tending to think that there are either batches of watches out there with fundamental problems, or some people just use their smartwatches exceptionally little.
I am a huge Motorola fan but no matter what anyone says the processor in the 360 does limit it. It is fast enough to do the job but when it is really working it eats up the battery at an insane rate, and you can really feel the heat it generates. I think the Moto 360 is great for basic notifications and as a fun watch you can change faces on daily but it will never excel at running apps as it is just too power hungry. I suspect Android Wear itself also isn't as optimized as it could be.
I have no problems with battery life using it for notifications through out the day. I generally have 30 to 40% left at the end of the day(8:30am to 1 am) while using Facer for my watch faces. If I was to start swapping faces for a bit though the battery will take a major hit. And in an ideal world I would have preferred to have the display always on.
I'm currently in the midst of an experiment with my watch. I have:
* The latest firmware
* Used it for a full week already, so battery life should be fine as the battery has been through a bunch of charge cycles
* No apps of any kind that interact with Wear installed
* Watch completely reset after apps were uninstalled
* Watch charged overnight after being reset (showed 99% when taken off the charger)
* No custom watch face (I'm on the default)
* Developer mode not enabled
* Notifications from Tapatalk muted as I get a lot of those
* Only received two notifications today, and set one alarm
* Checked the time twice
* Checked battery level twice
* Been sitting still working at my desk all morning
* Only had the watch further than three feet from my phone (which supports Bluetooth Low Energy) one time, for perhaps 60 seconds
* Screen set to the dimmest level (level 1)
* All other settings at default except Ambient mode enabled
After 3.25 hours, my battery has already fallen by 24%. That's 7.4% an hour, or enough for a 13 hour, 32.5 minute battery life when almost completely unused.
There is literally nothing I can do to improve battery life at this point other than to disable ambient mode, take the watch off my wrist, put it on my desk, and not use it at all.
I am floored by how spectacularly bad the battery life can be on this thing, and how much it varies. When idle, my watch apparently uses four times more power than other people are reporting with active usage and all sorts of apps installed.
Well im just asking if i should get it or no.
I want to replace my laptop with it and a small keyboard. 10.5 LTE with Supposatly the Samsung exynos that is a 8 core but seem it not in reality like samsung lied
I want to hear the good and bad.
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EDIT : Hello bonami2 , I posted the reply below before i realized it was you from NBR Forum, Welcome to XDA
It depends on what you want to do, if you want to watch video`s most of the time, get it, it has an amazing display, if you want to browse the internet most of the time, dont get it as the oled display eats the battery when it shows white, you are better of getting an lcd tablet, gaming kills the battery on all tablets so it does not make that much difference between oled and lcd.
You can get browsers that have night mode, where white is black so it save a load of battery power but it looks like crap.
John.
Don't get it. Poor battery life in general. Horrible idle battery life with Lollipop. The CPU is outdated by now. If you have to get a large screen tablet right now, go with Ipad Air 2 or Google Nexus 9. Moreover, we're slowly approaching the holiday season. Normally all new products are released in the second half of year. Even Samsung's Tab S replacement is rumored to be arriving in the second half of this year.
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Don't get it. Poor battery life in general. Horrible idle battery life with Lollipop. The CPU is outdated by now. If you have to get a large screen tablet right now, go with Ipad Air 2 or Google Nexus 9. Moreover, we're slowly approaching the holiday season. Normally all new products are released in the second half of year. Even Samsung's Tab S replacement is rumored to be arriving in the second half of this year.
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The new cpu for the tab s2 is supposate to be only 50% better in singlethread. and Enable the hmp to use the 8 core and have a higher clock and new architecture.
But at the end my 4 old Galaxy nexus from samsung from like 2011 2012 is still able to browse website with it old crappy dual core ahah. with 1/6 the singlethread
Poor battery life well i seen 15 hour of movie time with black movie. Using Dolphin and A night mode should allow to have better battery.
Not interrested in any apple product even if i was forced to.
At the end there is nothing on the market that seem worth the money. Except the tab s and i do know how to save battery with the recent research and own experience with my old Amoled phone.
So im gonna try it and return it if im not happy
And put the money toward some gpu
Anyways im getting it mid july and i heard it could be released in that time frame. Will see.
Thank you for all the negative
I have no problem with battery usage. It lasts a long time for me.
Tablet design is one of the best, the screen is fantastic. No issues with lag in normal day to day usage.
Websites with heavy usage of ads and graphics, can exhibit a little lag, but nothing out of the ordinary or that bothers me.
Sound quality is great. Touchwiz isn't the best implementation of an interface, not compared to HTC sense on my M8. However all in all quite happy with it.
And yea it me from nbr decided to post in case i could learn other stuff Google is good but we never have enough info
Thank you
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I have no problem with battery usage. It lasts a long time for me.
Tablet design is one of the best, the screen is fantastic. No issues with lag in normal day to day usage.
Websites with heavy usage of ads and graphics, can exhibit a little lag, but nothing out of the ordinary or that bothers me.
Sound quality is great. Touchwiz isn't the best implementation of an interface, not compared to HTC sense on my M8. However all in all quite happy with it.
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Thank you
Tested something with my nexus 5
Chrome is laggy when moving page the finger move faster than the browser
Dolphin go as fast as my finger can go on the screen and doest lagg at all or almost. Sure heavy page are slow to load.
Im mostly interrested in the multitasking thing samsung made i tried it on the old Note 2 and it work fine
Ps i have a 6000mah external battery
Gonna use it to power the external hdd im gonna get later down the road.
100% laptop replacement with storage everywhere
What is "black movie" ?? or did you mean black mode?
John.
"Poor battery life well i seen 15 hour of movie time with black movie. Using Dolphin and A night mode should allow to have better battery"
Tinderbox (UK) said:
What is "black movie" ?? or did you mean black mode?
John.
"Poor battery life well i seen 15 hour of movie time with black movie. Using Dolphin and A night mode should allow to have better battery"
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Uh review was replaying Harry potter in loop for 15 hour
I mean Dark movie sorry
Am limited to 1 post each 4 minute ahah
The New S2 has an 4:3 display it has shown up on benchmarking apps, and the resolution is 2048x1536 that is an 4:3 aspect ratio like the iPad`s
John.
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The New S2 has an 4:3 display it has shown up on benchmarking apps, and the resolution is 2048x1536 that is an 4:3 aspect ratio like the iPad`s
John.
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Oh yea but 15 hour on the tab s 10.5
yea im staying aways from that crap 4:3 ratio i have no idea how people can like that i had a laptop with that ratio for about 10 years until the screen hinge broke + the battery + the screen itself go humidity stuck in the panel and the fan started rattling lol
Ended using it as a server and finnaly recycled it after it started sounding like an airplane
My battery monitor says around 12hrs video playback at hd resolution depending on how bright the video is, Harry Potter=Yes , Dune=No
John.
QUOTE=Bonami2;61650442]Oh yea but 15 hour on the tab s 10.5
yea im staying aways from that crap 4:3 ratio i have no idea how people can like that i had a laptop with that ratio for about 10 years until the screen hinge broke + the battery + the screen itself go humidity stuck in the panel and the fan started rattling lol
Ended using it as a server and finnaly recycled it after it started sounding like an airplane [/QUOTE]
My battery is ok. Not good overnight on standby so charge it or switch it off.
I get an occasional freeze on lollipop when watching films. Was no problem on kitkat. Hope the next release fixes the movie issue.
Love the design. If the s2 is even better I may be tempted - but not by a smaller screen (as suggested).
That's out in the next month or 2 isn't it? Why not wait. Then you can buy my S lol
My T800 only looses 1-2% in 16 hours according to the app below, how much do you loose, have you tried finding out what is causing your battery drain.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.ck.batterymonitor&hl=en
John.
First of is this a very good tablet.... yes. There is a handful of flagship class tablets that are made for android and for the most part they each have small advantages and disadvantages over each other. The best thing you can do is figure out exactly what type of stuff you want to do on your tablet.
Second this tablet is a Big.little 2X quadcore, so calling it an octacore is both cprrect and deceptive at the same time. Honestly I have no clue if Samsung enabled HMP (heterogeneous multi processing- the ability to use both quad cores at the same time) or not but I have noticed that the tablet is usually more gpu bound then it ever gets processor bound. In practice the faxct that there are better processors out there (tegra k1) does not mean that this tablet can not handle almost any program you can throw at it (that runs on it-- no tegra zone or xcom).
Lastly I would not recomend this tablet, the nexus 9, Nvidia shield, Sony z4, or any other android tablet as a laptop replacement. Or to be more precise I could not use one in that role. It has nothing to do with speed, this tablet is far faster then the pentium 4m dell I used to have. It is not so much the size of the tablet the 10.1 inch screen is not much different then some ultrabook screens I have used. The main issue in using an android tablet as a laptop replacement is Android. If you could load linux on this tablet amd run it then it might be a little closer to a working replacement, but even then the arm architecture severely limits program compatibility. The lack of even 1 full sized usb port (yes I know it has otg) limits accessories that can be used.
If you only ever need to do some very light document editing, then yes this can replace a laptop. If you need to do more then that and you absolutly have to have a tablet form factor then buy a surface 3 (never a 1 or 2, windows rt is useless) or other x86 based windows 8.1 tablet. If you want the best of both worlds then for the price of a galaxy tab s abd a keyboard you can get a convertable tablet/laptop and have a laptop for heavy workloads and a tablet for fun all in one.
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First of is this a very good tablet.... yes. There is a handful of flagship class tablets that are made for android and for the most part they each have small advantages and disadvantages over each other. The best thing you can do is figure out exactly what type of stuff you want to do on your tablet.
Second this tablet is a Big.little 2X quadcore, so calling it an octacore is both cprrect and deceptive at the same time. Honestly I have no clue if Samsung enabled HMP (heterogeneous multi processing- the ability to use both quad cores at the same time) or not but I have noticed that the tablet is usually more gpu bound then it ever gets processor bound. In practice the faxct that there are better processors out there (tegra k1) does not mean that this tablet can not handle almost any program you can throw at it (that runs on it-- no tegra zone or xcom).
Lastly I would not recomend this tablet, the nexus 9, Nvidia shield, Sony z4, or any other android tablet as a laptop replacement. Or to be more precise I could not use one in that role. It has nothing to do with speed, this tablet is far faster then the pentium 4m dell I used to have. It is not so much the size of the tablet the 10.1 inch screen is not much different then some ultrabook screens I have used. The main issue in using an android tablet as a laptop replacement is Android. If you could load linux on this tablet amd run it then it might be a little closer to a working replacement, but even then the arm architecture severely limits program compatibility. The lack of even 1 full sized usb port (yes I know it has otg) limits accessories that can be used.
If you only ever need to do some very light document editing, then yes this can replace a laptop. If you need to do more then that and you absolutly have to have a tablet form factor then buy a surface 3 (never a 1 or 2, windows rt is useless) or other x86 based windows 8.1 tablet. If you want the best of both worlds then for the price of a galaxy tab s abd a keyboard you can get a convertable tablet/laptop and have a laptop for heavy workloads and a tablet for fun all in one.
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im mostly looking to browse internet and go on forum and listen to music and movie on the go
I think it fit perfectly. Anyways most current laptop are overpowered and windows cant even utilise the hardware correctly.
10hour battery life on a laptop is pretty hard to do
The review in the link below quotes approx 7.5 hrs internet browsing which is almost the lowest, but the video playback is the longest, have a read of the full review if you have not yet.
Try "UC Browser" it has the best night mode i have see.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.uc.browser.hd&hl=en_GB
http://anandtech.com/show/8197/samsung-galaxy-tab-s-review-105-84inch/3
John.
Tinderbox (UK) said:
The review in the link below quotes approx 7.5 hrs internet browsing which is almost the lowest, but the video playback is the longest, have a read of the full review if you have not yet.
Try "UC Browser" it has the best night mode i have see.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.uc.browser.hd&hl=en_GB
http://anandtech.com/show/8197/samsung-galaxy-tab-s-review-105-84inch/3
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Will see i could maybe get the tablet the 5 :laugh:
If younare looking for multimedia playback (videos and songs) and some internet browsing then yes you are correct, you don't need a full sized laptop. Tbh you really do not need a seprate bluetooth keyboard for thst either and that was partly what I was basing the thought you might want to do more then that on the tablet. Word processing for a document of any reasonable length, is lously on android even with a bluetooth or usb otg keyboard.
If you want to watch movies or listen to music on the go do not forget to buy a microSD card, this tablet supports up to 128GB but 64GB is a far better value. 16GB (or even 32GB lte model) is not enough memory after programs and the OS to store more then a few hours of moderate quality (480p-720p) videos and evem kitkat reads multimedia from removable storage with out any need to mess around with roms or root. Heck it is the one thing Google thinks should go on a microSD card, that and pictures.
Well I am honestly shocked by this. I sort of expected the S20 Ultra not to meet my standards but not the Note 20 Ultra! Decided to stick with my Note 10+ for a bit until maybe Z Fold 2 or Note 20 Ultra drops in price or for another who knows how long.
Anyways thought I would share with you guys why I decided to stick with Note 10+ over the Note 20 Ultra.
First off the Note 20 Ultra is nowhere near a bad phone, much of an improvement over the S20 Ultra which I thought was junk. The main highlights of the device just didn't seem worth $1300+ to me.
Screen overall is literally just a hair bigger and actually a hair less vibrant and saturated then the Note 10.
Screen refresh rate still not sure why this is such a huge deal. Can you tell a difference? Yes slightly depending on what you are doing. Sort of like 4k on a tablet or small laptop really just not worth it imo
Cameras, oh yes the cameras. Glad to see the autofocus issue was fixed from the S20 Ultra and photos are great no matter what camera but the main sensor unless you are using the 108 mp for extreme detail and then you lose HDR look very similar to the Note 10. Only huge difference is the zoom lens on the Ultra and it is a big one. 5x zoom looks great and even 10x in most cases looks very good and usable. This is the only thing that made me actually want to keep the 20
Everything else is pretty much the same again as Note 10+ nothing else worth mentioning really
Few photos of the differences in whites and camera bumps and the pretty much same screens
Note 10+ physically looks a lot better to me.
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Note 10+ physically looks a lot better to me.
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Yeah I was reading reviews and wasn't pleased with what Samsung did.
The variable refresh rate is cool especially if it save battery, kudas there.
The cam has laser assist AF lock too I believe, well done.
5 G, good.
The fastest Snapdragon yet yields a real performance boost although the 10+ never seems slow.
The bad, price tag is through the roof for the 512gb model.
This Note is even harder to protect than the 10 due the cam hump. That also means it really needs a case. Reports of no factory screen protector, not good especially since you'll want to lay it face down because of the cam hump.
Doesn't hardware support AptX HD bluetooth, very disappointing.
Not enough gain to replace the Note 10+ however a good upgrade maybe for a Note 8 or older.
However the Note 10+ is still a viable option especially if you want Pie.
In 2 months my Note 10+ will be a year old and it's still looking great, running strong in fact better then it ever has. Truth be told I'm still learning to use many of its features... not bored or tired of it by a long shot.
Samsung gave nothing much new for HD audio in the 20; AptX HD should have been present... a 3.5 mm jack been nice too.
Samsung needs a top shelf flagship model to get many people to upgrade from the 10+; this isn't it.
Add to that the world economy is a mess.
Samsung should have tried harder and catered more to the performance crowd to set this new Note further apart from the 10+.
Part of the reason for the fail is Samsung doesn't listen to its customers very well. Oh well... I'll wait.
On my Note 10+ I want:
A) Better battery.
B) Better fingerprint sensor. I see new pixels keep them to the back side. Well done Google.
C) Get rid of the silly front camera hole.
As long as these don't change, there is no reason to upgrade for me. Software updates, unnecessary camera and screen changes does not attract me. Especially with that price tag.
Speaking for those of us who get the Exynos chipset... Samsung sucks balls...
Thery are selling INFERIOR hardware for the same price, this relegates the 120Hz refresh rate to HD+ only and NOT to UHD, not because the phone can't handle it but because the Exynos chipset can't. They can't give part of the world this and leave everyone else out in the rain as that would highlight the inadequacies of the Exynos.
Exynos throttles, is a bigger drain on battery, it alters the picture quality of photo's taken and Samsung have the balls to charge us the same as the Snapdragon 865+ chipset...
For this the can shove the Note 20 Ultra, big camera bump and all, where the sun don't shine...
The price is just pure GREED! Useless money spent on creap publicity!
Any "high end" phone with Exynos cpu is ****.
However 120hz screen is fine. For me. Don't care much for qhd+/8k bull****. On a phone screen ?!?
I like Note 10+ 5g for the square screen (very rare these days) and the design. Only minus for me is that the display could be at least 90hz.
A good thing on 10+ and 20 ultra is sd card slot.
I will never buy 20 ultra even if the price will be 500 euros with exynos cpu!
denism81 said:
Note 10+ physically looks a lot better to me.
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Maybe enough returns will get Samsung's attention to listen to what their customers what... and don't want.
The large storage is great but not without easy 24 bit audio output. The 3.5 mm jack, there's room for it and spend the extra few cents for the bt chipset that supports AptX-HD.
Sad because this fix was easy and cheap to do.
This very expensive phone should have the best and latest chipsets in it, it doesn't. A locked bootloader doesn't give me any thrills either, Samsung Pay and Knox grrrr.
Fail, again.
As for the cams, at this price point buying a dedicated Canon for shooting makes more sense; much better interchangable optics and dedicated AF/image processors.
I use my 10+ more like a laptop than a cam...
That cam hump sucks and I see it as a major liability from a damage stand point. The Note 10+ is hard enough to protect, the 20 U is far worse.
Then there's wittle Bixby... other than it's cam smart functions it's completely worthless to me and a huge privacy invasive.
Wearables have the same privacy issues and need all the permissions under the sun to even load, really?
Samsung is very hard of hearing.
Kudos for jamming their Note 20 U were it belongs...
The only thing I wish Samsung would do for their camera is when you turn off hdr it actually turns off. So ridiculous. Hdr is always on no matter what you do. Besides switching to pro mode.
I'm sticking with my Note 10+. Am very pleased with it and I've only suffered 2% battery degradation in the first year of use. Using it daily 4 to 12 hours screen on time.
I love how thin the device is and the camera bump on the Note 20 Ultra is not acceptable to me.
Agreed, the Note 20 Ultra is a bit too overpriced, $1300 for almost no improvement over the previous year's device? No thanks.
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I'm sticking with my Note 10+. Am very pleased with it and I've only suffered 2% battery degradation in the first year of use. Using it daily 4 to 12 hours screen on time.
I love how thin the device is and the camera bump on the Note 20 Ultra is not acceptable to me.
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How is it possible to measure that? Battery degradation, I've been curious lately about that
TonyGzl92 said:
How is it possible to measure that? Battery degradation, I've been curious lately about that
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Using AccuBattery. Installed it first thing when I bought my Note 10+
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Using AccuBattery. Installed it first thing when I bought my Note 10+
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When you first set it up, the battery estimate it gives is from the Android system's battery degradation estimates. I have another app that can see it as well.
It's overlay ma meter is useful.
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Using AccuBattery. Installed it first thing when I bought my Note 10+
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Seriously bro?
Accubattery isn't accurate at telling you the battery health on current devices. Its a known common fact on here.
Limeybastard said:
Seriously bro?
Accubattery isn't accurate at telling you the battery health on current devices. Its a known common fact on here.
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I consider it more a battery charging tool.
It's useful as a charge alarm, for it's milliamp overlay usage and battery temp info.
It's charge history is useful unfortunately it's highest resolution is in minutes.
I divide the total about of milliamps absorbed during the charge cycle by the time it took to gauge battery health. I consider anything above 85 [email protected] good in the 30-70% range.
As the battery degrades I expect this value will decrease.
Lol, the phone's battery life estimate isn't any better.
The app is glitchy, it stops recording charge history.. A reload every now and then solves that. This would make it's long term wear estimates inaccurate even if it's wear curve is accurate.
Short term though it's wear graph gives a good comparative indication of how much you're degrading the battery.
Graphically illustrates why you don't want to charge above 80% or go below 30% very often.
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I consider it more a battery charging tool.
It's useful as a charge alarm, for it's milliamp overlay usage and battery temp info.
It's charge history is useful unfortunately it's highest resolution is in minutes.
I divide the total about of milliamps absorbed during the charge cycle by the time it took to gauge battery health. I consider anything above 85 [email protected] good in the 30-70% range.
As the battery degrades I expect this value will decrease.
Lol, the phone's battery life estimate isn't any better.
The app is glitchy, it stops recording charge history.. A reload every now and then solves that. This would make it's long term wear estimates inaccurate even if it's wear curve is accurate.
Short term though it's wear graph gives a good comparative indication of how much you're degrading the battery.
Graphically illustrates why you don't want to charge above 80% or go below 30% very often.
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Indeed. As bad as some of it's functionality is, I still use it and have done so since my Note 4 days. This and GSAM are normally the first two apps that get installed on any new Android device that I use.
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Indeed. As bad as some of it's functionality is, I still use it and have done so since my Note 4 days. This and GSAM are normally the first two apps that get installed on any new Android device that I use.
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Going to start unplugging the charger right after a battery percentage point flips to try to get better than a 60 second resolution for the charge history.
Lol, the first app I install is the package disabler.
Going to try Gsam, Thanks.... see how well it's battery tracker does.
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Going to start unplugging the charger right after a battery percentage point flips to try to get better than a 60 second resolution for the charge history.
Lol, the first app I install is the package disabler.
Going to try Gsam, Thanks.... see how well it's battery tracker does.
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Just make sure to remove it off battery optimization. Similar to accubattery pro.
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Just make sure to remove it off battery optimization. Similar to accubattery pro.
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The only things I have toggle in Device Care are Optimize for power setting and fast charging.
Then I disable Device Care.
Using the old factory load Pie version which has 360° on it. I use it's cache cleaner as it cleans well but I put in airplane mode first.
All buckets show as active in standby apps; no power management is active other than the embedded Android ones. Runs great