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I've searched for this and cant find the info I need so be easy on me, i'm new to android but loving it. On windows mobile when you backed up your device and then did a firmware upgrade you couldnt just do a restore because of the changed registry settings and other issues that went along with it, you had to restore the software 1 at a time all over again. On the evo I have backed up with Titanium backup and mybackuppro. When froyo comes out (or any other upgrade) , will these backup softwares restore your phone to the way it was before without your phone being all screwed up, or do you have the same issues as windows mobile, and also does it matter if the phone is rooted or not, on how the restore process works? Thanks for any help in advance
Those programs back stuff up like bookmarks, user dictionary and home screen setup just fine and restore things like that very well. System settings and such tend to not backup well. Most applications will also backup and restore just fine although some paid / protected apps may need to be downloaded again but for the most part they restore just fine.
Nandroid does a complete and full backup of everything for complete restores should something you flash not be too you liking. Once you finish all the root / recovery steps that option will be in your recovery menu (phone off, power on while holding down volume, select recovery).
Both have their uses. Nandroid takes you back in time to a different rom or kernel or whatever while a program like mybackup pro make it less painful to get all your stuff back if you want to try out another rom.
It should be noted that a Nandroid restore is only supposed to work on the same OS version that it was backed up on.
ramiss said:
It should be noted that a Nandroid restore is only supposed to work on the same OS version that it was backed up on.
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What?
Nandroid works regardless of what rom you had before or what you recently flashed. You can have fresh or damage control, nandroid and try froyo and go right back to the sense rom regardless if its a 2.1 or 2.2.
You can set up three plus different roms and use a new one each day. There is no limitation of using froyo (2.2) and going to a 2.1 rom like damage or an asop rom if we ever get one.
Just wipe cache and dalvik before running the nandroid or flashing a new rom that isn't a direct decedent (fresh .2 to .3)
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Nandroid works regardless of what rom you had before or what you recently flashed.
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Ok, but you can't go back to say 1.5. So there is a point at which too much change in the OS will cause issues with the restore. I agree that within a few minor version points it is fine but I wanted to be conservative in my answer.
Ok , I think I have a good grip on it now. When I upgrade to froyo I will have to use Titanium or mybackuppro to restore my apps(one by one, or batch method) and maybe some of my settings, I can then use my nandroid backup if I dont want froyo anymore and want to go back to my old stock 2.1 sprint rom and have an identical image to restore, is this correct? Thanks for all the help.
i was looking around and found that evo n other android phone can dual boot so i wondering if some one can come up with dual boot for g2
You can just use nandroid if you want to switch. It's not too bad to test out and play between ROMs.
Stryder5 said:
You can just use nandroid if you want to switch. It's not too bad to test out and play between ROMs.
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i hate installing apps over n over.....
its more practical to use nandroid
theXeffect said:
i hate installing apps over n over.....
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What are you talking about? You wouldn't need to if you backup the roms properly.
Why in the world would you want to dual boot? Just nandroid.
im just saying it would be cool to have cuz its call dual boot n something new to try.......u guys dont? thats fine.......i wish someone would tho
I don't think I'm performing nandroid backups properly either. I always have to reinstall apps like the OP. Can someone please tell me the right way? Thanks!
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Lol! what on earth are yall talking about? nandroid only works with the same type of rom you used previously. for example, using rooted stock rom then backup via nandroid then switch to CM and restoring doesnt work. you would have to flash back to rooted stock and then restore. you can obviously make multiple backups... one for each rom. but again... you have to be on the same rom... otherwise, the restore will seriously corupt your current rom.
I'm beginning to wonder if some even know what dual boot actually means, lol!
Thats why you do a wipe befor you restore from a nandroid backup
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Thats why you do a wipe befor you restore from a nandroid backup
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That doesnt really matter if you are using a different rom this time around especially a themed one. Sometimes it can help.... but if the rom is completely different like sense then to stock or CM, you gonna have issues no matter if you wipe or not. Are folks crazy? the system folder varies HEAVILY between different roms. sure you can TRY restoring just the data/cache/ext but that doesn't always work out right. Stick around, kid. You might learn something if you quit running you mouth
Calm down guys. . . . Nandroid works just fine. .
I have used it on an array of ROMs, Stock, Sense, CM . .It works. You just need to backup, then wipe and flash the ROM you want. If you want to go back to the other ROM, back up, then restore the one you backed up previously. You can even name them, you just have to change the folder name in the clockwork mod folder on your SD and look for backups.
Seems like there's a little confusion on how Nandroid works...I didn't understand it myself until recently. I'll attempt to explain how it works, if any experts think I got it wrong, please let me know.
Basically, Nandroid lets you backup your current phone's state (ROM, apps, settings and all) into a single save file that you can restore whenever you want. So as an example, let's say you install ROM X, but you want to try ROM Y. You would first make a Nandroid backup of your phone, then flash ROM Y. Then let's say after a day of playing around with ROM Y, you want to go back to ROM X, you would then make a Nandroid backup of ROM Y, and restore the Nandroid of ROM X. Your phone will then be exactly the way it was when you created the backup of ROM X, and at any time you want you can restore your ROM Y. In this way, you can bootup any ROM you've saved in the past, anytime you want. This makes Nandroid a fairly effective "multi-boot".
You might notice one slight pain in this whole process, the first time you use any particular ROM, you'll have to setup your phone all over again. This can be made easier if you use Titanium Backup, which is an app that backs up your apps and settings to your SD card. Then when you try out a new ROM, install Titanium Backup from the Market and use it to restore your apps and settings. If you're using the free version, this means tapping the screen twice for each app on your phone ("Install", "Done", repeat), but I noticed the paid version claims to have a "0-click restore" feature.
I hope this helps clarify some things.
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Calm down guys. . . . Nandroid works just fine. .
I have used it on an array of ROMs, Stock, Sense, CM . .It works. You just need to backup, then wipe and flash the ROM you want. If you want to go back to the other ROM, back up, then restore the one you backed up previously. You can even name them, you just have to change the folder name in the clockwork mod folder on your SD and look for backups.
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Lol! Thats what I've been trying to explain to them but they just want to argue with me for some reason. hahaha! They'll figure out on their own any way if they want to be stubborn about it. Heck, I was just trying to save them some frustration. oh well...
dracoaffectus said:
Seems like there's a little confusion on how Nandroid works...I didn't understand it myself until recently. I'll attempt to explain how it works, if any experts think I got it wrong, please let me know.
Basically, Nandroid lets you backup your current phone's state (ROM, apps, settings and all) into a single save file that you can restore whenever you want. So as an example, let's say you install ROM X, but you want to try ROM Y. You would first make a Nandroid backup of your phone, then flash ROM Y. Then let's say after a day of playing around with ROM Y, you want to go back to ROM X, you would then make a Nandroid backup of ROM Y, and restore the Nandroid of ROM X. Your phone will then be exactly the way it was when you created the backup of ROM X, and at any time you want you can restore your ROM Y. In this way, you can bootup any ROM you've saved in the past, anytime you want. This makes Nandroid a fairly effective "multi-boot".
You might notice one slight pain in this whole process, the first time you use any particular ROM, you'll have to setup your phone all over again. This can be made easier if you use Titanium Backup, which is an app that backs up your apps and settings to your SD card. Then when you try out a new ROM, install Titanium Backup from the Market and use it to restore your apps and settings. If you're using the free version, this means tapping the screen twice for each app on your phone ("Install", "Done", repeat), but I noticed the paid version claims to have a "0-click restore" feature.
I hope this helps clarify some things.
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That was a perfect explaination! I hope that sheds some light for folks who didnt understand what I meant and I apologize for being annoyed. originally, I had thought the OP was talking about dualbooting with android/windows mobile or something... I didnt think about the possiblity of running two android roms. I see how nandroid was brought up now... yeah, thats kind of silly to dualboot with two android roms. but to each his own...
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im just saying it would be cool to have cuz its call dual boot n something new to try.......u guys dont? thats fine.......i wish someone would tho
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i cant believe nobody agrees, i would love to have dual boot just like my my laptop with win7\ubuntu netbook remix. the iphone people are dual booting into android or Ios and thats kinda cool even if its not completly functional. Id rather dual than trying to restore back and forth. Good Call
I used the Nandroid method on the G2 to switch between SuperD's ROM and KingKlick's Eclair builds. It works and really does make a good "multi-boot." Also, I use MyBackup Pro to back everything up, and all the settings for the apps and the phone are saved.
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i cant believe nobody agrees, i would love to have dual boot just like my my laptop with win7\ubuntu netbook remix. the iphone people are dual booting into android or Ios and thats kinda cool even if its not completly functional. Id rather dual than trying to restore back and forth. Good Call
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Of course, I have to agree with you... There are several things that bother me about nandroid, which I say, is not a good replacement for dual-booting. With dual boot you can shut down your phone/computer and be able to switch between operating systems. I can use Windows 7 to play games, Ubuntu to code, and Mac OS X 10.5 for multimedia. I'm pretty sure that people don't backup Windows 7, wait for that to finish, then install Ubuntu on their computer, wait 20-30 minutes for it to boot up, then get to work(and I'm sure computers would be horrible if you needed to do that). But I'm just saying this so I can get into the conversation and actually get somebodies recognition so they can actually start working on a script for the G2 so you can dual-boot. I'm pretty sure that it's possible... but I'm not sure if there's anybody willing to do it.
Well that's accomplished by partitioning, on a pc.
whichever rom u install completely takes over the previous one, thus eliminating that previous rom. There would need to be some sort of partitioning mechanism,involved. to achieve the dualboot, wouldnt there?
correct me if i am wrong, but the hboot controls the partitions of the phones, and when the G1 needed a new hboot to be re-partitioned to allow for better bigger ROMs there were a LOT of bricks that took months to figure out how to fix, so if someone wants to try to flash the hboot from another phone(and risk losing their phone forever) then by all means have at it, but for the time being nandroid will have to do.
Am trying to do a nandroid backup using Amon-Ra 2.3, and it just keeps laying down line after line of dots, taking much longer than I would expect, and never finishes. I've tried the suggestions in this thread on the issue, and I'm still having no luck.
Anyone have any suggestions/wisdom to offer? I've let it go for 20-30 minutes on a couple of occasions, and it's still not working -- I just end up with a screen full of dots.
Part of the reason I'm doing this is that I've been having issues with my wireless, data, etc toggling on and off on its own lately, so I thought a fresh start with a new ROM might be worth a go. Doubt that's related, but who knows, so I'm throwing that out there in case it matters.
Thanks!
PS Currently running VirusROM Airborne RC 6, to the extent it makes a difference.
What rom are you trying to restore?
If you wanted to start fresh, than you can install your new rom fresh, then restore all your apps+data, just not system settings.
I wasn't trying to restore anything, I was just trying to do a nandroid backup so I could flash another ROM. With that said, I've tried to restore an older backup to make sure I had one that worked, and that isn't working, either -- just an endless stream of dots. If I pull the battery in the midst of a restore, will I screw anything up?
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I wasn't trying to restore anything, I was just trying to do a nandroid backup so I could flash another ROM. With that said, I've tried to restore an older backup to make sure I had one that worked, and that isn't working, either -- just an endless stream of dots. If I pull the battery in the midst of a restore, will I screw anything up?
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No it shouldn't.
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/19699565/PC36IMG.zip Place that on your sdcard, and flash it in the bootloader, that'll re-flash amon_ra 2.3; hopefully that should fix it.
thanks man, I'll give it a try.
Aye aye, and I shall be around if it doesn't work.
well, I'm stuck in the back end of the boot animation now. Hmmm, very frustrating. How horrible would it be to just do a factory reset of the phone? Would I have to re-root?
jrtoastyman said:
well, I'm stuck in the back end of the boot animation now. Hmmm, very frustrating. How horrible would it be to just do a factory reset of the phone? Would I have to re-root?
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If you do a factory reset, that just erases all data. You should always wipe the factory/data, cache, and dalvik cache in recovery before flashing a rom for the first time. You don't have to re-root, just restore your apps from titanium backup.
OK, so here's where I'm at:
1. I can't perform a nandroid backup
2. I can't restore any of my previous backups
3. I can't boot the phone to allow me to flash the new Amon-Ra you provided.
With all of that being the case, I feel like I'm sort of out of options at this point -- maybe just wipe it and flash the new ROM, hope for the best, and perform a nandroid after the flash? Can't really get any more screwed than I am now, right?
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OK, so here's where I'm at:
1. I can't perform a nandroid backup
2. I can't restore any of my previous backups
3. I can't boot the phone to allow me to flash the new Amon-Ra you provided.
With all of that being the case, I feel like I'm sort of out of options at this point -- maybe just wipe it and flash the new ROM, hope for the best, and perform a nandroid after the flash? Can't really get any more screwed than I am now, right?
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What do you mean you can't get to the bootloader?
Power the phone off/battery pull, upon turning on, hold vol+down till you see the white android screen, then it'll scan for the PC36IMG, which you apply update, then reboot. And it can still be saved.
I guess the question was how do I get the file onto my phone when I can't get the phone to boot up, but it occurs to me that I can pull the card out and load it on there that way, so let me give that a go and follow those steps. Now, I've just got to find that little card adapter thingy...
Thanks again, appreciate the assistance
Ah yes...the adapter...tis why I just always leave it in my laptop. But that will work, and you're welcome.
that did the trick, back up and running. Whew!
Much appreciated!
Glad that it worked.
Hello,
i have one question. I didnt find answer on this quest yet, so i ask here. I have ARHD 7.0.0 from mike (great job mike ) and in a short i want to update to 7.0.1 without superwipe. But i dont know, if i will loose my data, like apps, contacs sms or something else. Before this i flashed new rom only with superwipe tool.
I know its maybe stupid question, but i am still beginner and i am not sure, if i am right with many things. (and sory for my bad english sometimes ).
Thank you
You can just flash 7.01 over your existing 7.00, because it doesn't wipe anything on its own.
And if you want tro be sure, just make a nandroid backup via CWM before.
It will secure everything for 100%.
Thanks,
Good to hear this, i was bored with instaling apps and doing everything one more time, because i didnt use any backup app, that was mistake
Consider getting yourself a copy of Titanium Backup (or MyBackupPro, I think it's called).
You can schedule backups of everything you have, from SMS messages through to user apps and data, then restore after flashing.
I don't do that much ROM flashing myself, 1/month approx (I will eventually get to ARHD v7), but it's great to restore so easily
Ok, it seems to be good app fro doing backups and restores
Thank you for your advice, next time it will be easily to flash new ROM
I am looking forward to new version of ARHD!
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Ok, it seems to be good app fro doing backups and restores
Thank you for your advice, next time it will be easily to flash new ROM
I am looking forward to new version of ARHD!
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be aware that once you flash a rom over (in your case 7.0.1 over 7.0.0) all your MODS (they aren't right now for ARHD 7, but for future records ) will be deleted
also if you removed some bbloatware software...it will be flashed again
so my advice
Get Titanium, as you already being advised and backup all aps
DO a NANDROID BACKUP (make this a regular job....it will save from a lot of mistakes that you will do ..trust me ..it happens)
Get familiar with ROM CLEANER from PATRIC83 thread....removes a lot of crappy htc software that you dont need
flash rom
flash rom cleaner
reboot
VOILA
Hi
I recently upgraded my rooted phone from the stock Sense rom to CM7 but decided to go back to the original. I've reverted back to my Sense Rom by going into CWM Recovery and restoring from the nandroid backup I made before installing CM7.
Is that all that is required?
Yes. That is all. Ofcourse you might need to restore some missing data/apps that you may have accumulated while using CM7.
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Hi,
Thanks very much for the reply. I actually only used CM7 for about an hour so I didn't lose anything from the backup. The problem I'm having is that the battery seems to now be draining about 30% quicker than before and I think it's too much of a coincidence. I have mentioned this in another thread as I didn't want to ask two questions with one post.
I have no idea what could be causing this but wondered if it would be something to do with something that is now different on the phone?