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Nexus One ROM/OS on Hero?

I bought my Hero a few weeks ago because I dug the SenseUI (it looked better than the standard Android UI) and because there was an update to 2.1 promised.
At the moment I'm a little bit afraid of two things:
1. There will not be an update. There really are great apps out there requiring 2.0+ and many features I could use like built in VPN support.
2. If there will be an update it might look ugly as hell. From what I've seen from the leaked Expresso ROM, I can only hope that they won't do that ugly **** for the Hero update... actually I just hope they will never really release that design. The current SenseUI looks original, slick, elegant, starting with the home screen, to the individual app icon designs. Sounds stupid, but that stuff really looks neat unlike the Expresso UI I've seen (oh, too much rambling here)
Now, if all goes bad... is it possible to extract the Nexus One ROM and use it on the HTC? After all the Hardware is not too different and should work with a little bit of adjustment.
In general, I'm really amazed by what is going on here... but most ROMs seem to be a modification/theming orgy rather than a decent port of a decent, more advanced OS version. I don't mean to offend anyone. After all, these ROMs are great for people interested into all that modding and theming and all. But for me, it's important to have a nice looking and working OS, not so much community modifications.

well you can't argue about taste, so i'll leave that part out. my bets would go on something looking at least similar to the espresso leak.
there will be an update, that's for sure. it is only a matter of time, i hope not too much time...
about porting the nexus rom, i wouldn't hold my breath for it. the hardware might be not so different, but from how i see it the hero is a ***** when it comes to hardware. this is also the reason why there is only about a dozen roms at all, and the only one without compromises is mcr. look at the g1 section, they literally drown in roms.
and for starters, the nexus has the snapdragon cpu, which seems to be at least one generation further evolved when it comes to mobile computing power, i don't see it coming...

don´t worry .
i read a rumor in the morning that htc is going to release on february 15th

Yes, we will get Nexus version.
Simply put, Nexus is pretty much standard 2.1 Android.
so far, people like Lox have been working on getting version 2.0 & 2.01 running on the Hero, but now that 2.1 SDK has been released they will start working on that. But it will help when HTC release the source code for their own 2.1 version as that will give them all the drivers etc they need.
The only thing I can see causing problems are the live wallpapers, but I believe that people are getting these to run on the G1 so you never know what is possible.
I've been running 2.0.1 software with all the latest gallery,navigation etc apps for a while now so expect 2.1 versions soon.
PS I installed the Expresso version on my phone and uninstalled straight away. Reminds me way too much of HTC's Windows Mobile software !

GXFX said:
don´t worry .
i read a rumor in the morning that htc is going to release on february 15th
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and where did you read that?

furrypotato said:
people like Lox have been working on getting version 2.0 & 2.01 running on the Hero, but now that 2.1 SDK has been released they will start working on that. But it will help when HTC release the source code for their own 2.1 version as that will give them all the drivers etc they need.
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Two points!
1. The 2.1 SDK is *not* the source code for Android 2.1. The the tools and libraries required to build Android 2.1 applications, not the OS itself. As far as I'm aware, the 2.1 OS code has not been dropped into the AOSP (Android Open Source Project).
2. HTC are only required to release the source code to the kernel as this is licensed under the GPL, though this will contain the hardware drivers. HTC's version of 2.1 itself does not ever need to be released as the Android source code is licensed under the ASL which is not a copyleft license.
Regards,
Dave

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that will give them all the drivers etc they need.
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yeah, i wouldn't be so sure about that. the kernel sources for the g1 kernel .29 are out, doesn't help a tiny bit for the hero so far...

kendong2 said:
well you can't argue about taste, so i'll leave that part out. my bets would go on something looking at least similar to the espresso leak.
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You are right of course... if they release an upgrade to 2.1 it's logical that they develop and use that for the Espresso. So I guess it will be the same as the Espresso ROM. I just hope that the Espresso ROM won't look like the leaks.
While you can't argue about taste... you have to admit, that the UI looks (stylewise) quite different to the original Sense UI. Usually I wouldn't mind change. Just take Apple's UI, or Google's UI on the web as well as in Android releases. They usually stay the same, sometimes adding more colors, using gradients, etc. and you still recognize the original style. It usually takes very long until a system has changed so much that you can't recognize it's origins. Take the difference between XP and Vista. Was quite huge. Now the difference between XP and Win7 was minimal (stylewise).
Now, in the leaked Espresso rom I can't recognize the old SenseUI at all, except for the widgets, which can be removed / customized anyway and are not the main concern of HTC's developers right now.
Well, in case it looks to my disliking:
I know, that Sense UI as a whole is not just a plugin but the visually relevant parts (home screen, lock screen, mesages app, mail app, contacts app etc.) are mainly applications, right? (Well, the designs for menu lists, like in "settings" are not apps I guess, but they don't bother me as they look the same in the current UI version) How hard do you think would it be to extract the old apps and replace their counterparts in the new ROM?
This could maybe even be done without rooting, like it's possible for the lock screen and home screen. I dunno about replacing the Standard htc apps though.

felikz said:
and where did you read that?
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Look here - http://www.androidcentral.com/rumors-say-european-htc-hero-get-android-21-february

Sir_Oliver said:
Look here - ...
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Well the rumor that it's going to be released in February... come one... HTC said it will release in 1Q2010 which leaves January to March. February is right in the middle so they just say February.
That alone, ok, but what about the list of features. It seems to be put together from previous rumors and leaked ROMs noone even knows of whether they apply to the Hero update.
I'd take such a rumor, originally from some obscure Polish website (not to say anything against Poland, but it's a local website and the rumor hasn't surfaced from a more global site anywhere else), with a (huge) grain of salt.

I'm with Olafos here. I've now tried a 2.0 and 2.1 ROM, but come back to MCR3.1 within a few hours. It's not even all totally about visuals, as I think had been mentioned. The contacts widget, giving me my favourite contacts on my homescreen is used a lot by me. The group text is used quite a bit too.
The contacts, messages and other things just don't look very nice on standard 2.1. When the Bravo comes out (or before) with 2.1 have these cool Sense UI additions?
How much different will the Nexus One be to what 2.1 on my Hero looks like? Right now it's totally put me off upgrading. I really want a bigger screen and snapdragon CPU, but I would miss the amazing UI and funcitonality of my Hero on 1.5 with Sense UI :-/

olafos said:
You are right of course... if they release an upgrade to 2.1 it's logical that they develop and use that for the Espresso. So I guess it will be the same as the Espresso ROM. I just hope that the Espresso ROM won't look like the leaks.
While you can't argue about taste... you have to admit, that the UI looks (stylewise) quite different to the original Sense UI. Usually I wouldn't mind change. Just take Apple's UI, or Google's UI on the web as well as in Android releases. They usually stay the same, sometimes adding more colors, using gradients, etc. and you still recognize the original style. It usually takes very long until a system has changed so much that you can't recognize it's origins. Take the difference between XP and Vista. Was quite huge. Now the difference between XP and Win7 was minimal (stylewise).
Now, in the leaked Espresso rom I can't recognize the old SenseUI at all, except for the widgets, which can be removed / customized anyway and are not the main concern of HTC's developers right now.
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ok, point taken
olafos said:
Well, in case it looks to my disliking:
I know, that Sense UI as a whole is not just a plugin but the visually relevant parts (home screen, lock screen, mesages app, mail app, contacts app etc.) are mainly applications, right? (Well, the designs for menu lists, like in "settings" are not apps I guess, but they don't bother me as they look the same in the current UI version) How hard do you think would it be to extract the old apps and replace their counterparts in the new ROM?
This could maybe even be done without rooting, like it's possible for the lock screen and home screen. I dunno about replacing the Standard htc apps though.
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i have no idea about backward compatibility of the android system... just try it with one of the 2.0 roms? i'd bet on foobar if you mix 1.5 sense parts with 2.x, but don't let that stop you from romcooking

I just realized I said:
"Now the difference between XP and Win7 was minimal (stylewise). "
Of course I meant Vista and Win7
Ich will nicht wirklich eigene Roms machen...mir fehlt leider die Zeit. Hoechstes der Gefuehle waere evtl. zu rooten und zu schauen was läuft
I think Android apps are backwards compatible, not so sure about the HTC Sense UI integrated ones though.

Android 2.3 (Gingerbread) Being Pushed To AOSP

http://www.androidpolice.com/2010/1...3-gingerbread-being-pushed-to-aosp-right-now/
go, go, go! )

These are very good news
I already see my Hero running CM 7
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Excellent News Lets see who get's their GingerBread ROM out first

Sweet, if the hero really will be supported!

Cooooooooooooooool man very nice go go go go gooooooooooooooogle

Tchuup-tchuup! Hotness train is leaving the stations

ummm...
yea. will be interesting to watch... if it works on hero it will be fun... I don't expect devs will take the time on the hero any more like they used to but if someone out there has the know how and time and dedication then it's probably possible.

dkelley said:
ummm...
yea. will be interesting to watch... if it works on hero it will be fun... I don't expect devs will take the time on the hero any more like they used to but if someone out there has the know how and time and dedication then it's probably possible.
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Feeyo...

Good news
Sent from my HTC Hero

C0mpu13rFr34k said:
Feeyo...
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should be interesting to watch his progress

I wish the technical know-how would be something well documented.
What I mean is, ive seen lox/benocharm (sp?) progress in the last year in terms of Android knowledge, almost from the start. Ive seen one of these two guys post about initial questions about how things work, then edit his own post to do a mini-FAQ on ROM cooking. Now today it would look like they would kick some major ass at doing it if they were still able to give time for this, because they know the Hero hardware by heart; they know the usual glitch when porting (ie: how to make camera/bluetooth work, etc), all the minor details that makes a ROM usable or not for a day-to-day ROM! However, this kind of knowledge seems not so well documented.
What i'm basically saying is if a developer bails out the documentation about how to rebuild a custom ROM does too. It looks like (from a non-cooker point of view) that there is no centralized Wiki or webpage about the usual generic steps or roadblocks when porting from another device or when starting from AOSP to build FOR an Htc Hero (or any device, too).
Personally i know enough about linux in general, ive build a few updates.zip for my own knowledge's sake (nothing fancy though, removed/added apks ), but I have my questions on how to properly make something not built specifically for an Hero work with all the hardware functioning. I'm sure many others are in the same boat (plenty of tech knowledge but lack of Android ROM resources). For example, the question I had in mind were in the form of:
Does specific hardware components (gps, wifi, bt) relies on linux kernel modules? Does it need some kind of special APKS or Jars to make it work along with the framework, or just kernel modules are enough once loaded?
Following up on the point above: would copying modules from another device specific ROM would be sufficient? (I guess not), what about Android release versions (Eclair, Froyo, Gingerbread, etc)? Can modules work regardless of the Android version being run on?
ETC...
Well its pretty much a long rant, but since i'm stuck with a 3 year contract on Telus with an HTC Hero, I wouldnt mind giving a bit of my free time to make a working ROM out of it. However I am/was under the impression that the Hero ROM development scene went to a stop once Cyanogen started supporting Hero (seems to me there are only two *major* roms out there, CM and VillainRom), and due to that ROM cookers stoped caring about the Hero since it was well enough supported as it is (with CM on board).
Thanks for listening, doctor

I'm actually in the process of setting up an Ubuntu virtual box to dive right in, when I saw the AOSP sources getting pushed I thought why wait? Why not try it myself?
Don't expect anything soon. First of all I am just going to build off the Cyanogen tree and see if I can make a working ROM, then I will look into the deep dark hell that is porting software to HTC's proprietory-drivered-up-the-ass Hero

l0st.prophet said:
I'm actually in the process of setting up an Ubuntu virtual box to dive right in, when I saw the AOSP sources getting pushed I thought why wait? Why not try it myself?
Don't expect anything soon. First of all I am just going to build off the Cyanogen tree and see if I can make a working ROM, then I will look into the deep dark hell that is porting software to HTC's proprietory-drivered-up-the-ass Hero
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Any luck with it? I had the same idea, reading now a lot of information about building a rom.

Maybe we can post some useful links or tutorials about building ROMs in this thread so that we can kind of collaborate?

That would be a great idea, i really like the idea of building my own rom. or at least try to build one.
Here you can find how to setup your own machine to build android roms
http://source.android.com/source/download.html
if you have problems with installing sun-java5-jdk follow the instructions on this page:
http://blog.enea.com/Blog/bid/32050/Ubuntu-9-10-Java-5-and-the-Android-Open-Source-Project

Also checkout Cyanogen's wiki, they really did an excellent job there:
http://wiki.cyanogenmod.com/index.php?title=Compile_CyanogenMod_for_Hero

I'm progressing... slowly. Downloading Ubuntu 10.10 iso, 200MB of updates, the SDK, Eclipse, the ADT plugin, all the platform updates and GIT is taking a while on < 2Mb connection...

Especially the repo syncing... that just takes ages ;

krispijn_s said:
Especially the repo syncing... that just takes ages ;
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Gives me time to read I spose! I totally understand how to build off Cyanogen's code, that sounds simple, but I get a little lost when it comes to syncing with AOSP or branching Cyanogen to make changes... but I got hours of dowloading yet so I can read up about it then!

Make sure you download the x64 version of Ubuntu. Since 2.2.1 you need a 64-bit system to compile the Android OS project.
Also don't expect to get it compiling right away, I reckon somekind of cpu-profile is missing (could be named different). Third I heard that the sound and camera (again) systems got changed, could be buggers to get those working.
Just my two cents

Stock vs. Custom

Hello guys !
Im a newbie and i have a question. Which is more secure and stable ? A Custom Rom or Stock Rom ?
Which do you use an recommend, Stock or Custom Rom ? Its not a question about which Custom Rom ;-)
If there is already a similar Thread, i apologize...
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Hello guys !
Im a newbie and i have a question. Which is more secure and stable ? A Custom Rom or Stock Rom ?
Which do you use an recommend, Stock or Custom Rom ? Its not a question about which Custom Rom ;-)
If there is already a similar Thread, i apologize...
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The stock rom is probably what you want to stay on for stability. if you want really cool customization and tweaks go with a custom rom, but remember if you are on a custom rom you cant take OTA updates from google.

I know that, but I think also about, is it really possible, that maybe 10 people can make a better Rom? Google has many employees which working on this for long time. Sorry my english isnt perfect, I hope you understand what I mean.
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I know that, but I think also about, is it really possible, that maybe 10 people can make a better Rom? Google has many employees which working on this for long time. Sorry my english isnt perfect, I hope you understand what I mean.
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You have to remember that the majority of people probably dont want a phone which they can customise in any which way that they want. Google need to cater for the masses and create an OS that is at least relatively simple.
Individuals on forums such as these however, feel differently and love the chance for customization. The developers working on after market ROMS create those options and customizations for people that really want them. And their ROMS are based on the source code provided by Google and their many employees - so nothing is lost in that sense.
This is what I think any way!

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I know that, but I think also about, is it really possible, that maybe 10 people can make a better Rom? Google has many employees which working on this for long time. Sorry my english isnt perfect, I hope you understand what I mean.
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Are they all "better"? No. Do they offer more features/customization? Yes. Do these features/customization often break something that already works? Yes.

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I know that, but I think also about, is it really possible, that maybe 10 people can make a better Rom? Google has many employees which working on this for long time. Sorry my english isnt perfect, I hope you understand what I mean.
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Sometimes it's only one "dev" kanging code.
Regardless, we have some VERY talented devs here. And it's not like they are creating android from scratch, they are using the code that Google has open sourced, so all of the custom roms are essentially STOCK + unique features not part of AOSP. This also makes them not as stable as stock android, pick your poison

That was a good answer !
Thats where is my point, di
oes it really make sense...all time Full-Wipe...backup..flash gapps...then something doesnt work..
but on the other side it looks awesome ! Its just, what do they really change ? Is it stil safe for me as user ?
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I think custom roms can often be more stable because bugs are constantly found and fixed on a daily basis. A stock rom may have a bug but will take months for the next update from google.
Also custom roms are just stock roms with additions, so its the same code base anyway.

its mostly about the tweaks that Google didn't put in .. all roms are the same to me since they all base off 4.0.x unless someone builds a sense or Touchwiz rom.
The only thing that makes roms different is the feature list and kernel
Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using xda premium

--GNex-- said:
That was a good answer !
Thats where is my point, di
oes it really make sense...all time Full-Wipe...backup..flash gapps...then something doesnt work..
but on the other side it looks awesome ! Its just, what do they really change ? Is it stil safe for me as user ?
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It's all very easy once you do it a few times. Customization is awesome. Like the full screen mod getting rid of the softkeys so anything that your doing (game, videos, etc) that keeps the softkeys there, will now be full screen without the softkeys. Just little things like that plus much more than make custom roms better than stock.

RogerPodacter said:
I think custom roms can often be more stable because bugs are constantly found and fixed on a daily basis. A stock rom may have a bug but will take months for the next update from google.
Also custom roms are just stock roms with additions, so its the same code base anyway.
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Bugs are constantly found for custom ROMs because they've not been tested so much compared to stock before they are being released. (Not saying that stock is bug free but each official version has gone through aggressive testing)
If stability and security are your top concerns then stay stock - this is a no-brainer. Custom ROMs are for people who are more adventurous and want to have more fun with their phones.

So there are more people on Stock or on Custom Roms ? I heard that many people say its a "developer phone", but on the other Hand people say they bought it because they dont want to flash anymore C-Roms.
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Many people want different things, that's why there are custom roms
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So there are more people on Stock or on Custom Roms ? I heard that many people say its a "developer phone", but on the other Hand people say they bought it because they dont want to flash anymore C-Roms.
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Of course there are way more people on stock than rom flashers. People like my mom got the phone to use it, not to flash ROMs.
When people said 'it's a developer phone', it doesn't mean the phone is not suitable for daily use or only developers know how to use it. On the contrary, it's a phone that showcases how the latest OS SHOULD look and feel like. It serves as a reference point to how developers should design their apps.

Good answer !
I read a lot of problems like massive battery drain or FCs etc. etc. also I read about speed improvements and great battery life. I can change already a lot of things with a different Launcher.
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--GNex-- said:
Good answer !
I read a lot of problems like massive battery drain or FCs etc. etc. also I read about speed improvements and great battery life. I can change already a lot of things with a different Launcher.
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The thing with all product discussion forums is, people will only post/seeking help if they ran into problems. (Will you go to a Samsung forum and start a thread with 'my TV/camera is working as intended?' ) So these forums are always filled with error reports/complaints. Sometimes it's hard to see if it's really error by design or just the unlucky few with defective devices.
XDA makes it even more complicated because this is a modding community. Half of the complaints are probably just human errors - bad flash, wrong radio, incompatible apps the list goes on...
Long answer short, you DON'T have to mod your phone to reap all its benefits. You are not missing out things if you don't want to customize it.

I completly agree, thats why I also started this thread. I was talking with some people about it. Its nice to customize, but do i need these small things with the possibility to get issues
Are you on Stock ?
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Brother man its all about what you want and love. I could nit would not run stock. I have way more fun with custom roms. But to each there own. I must say, I would never have my mother run a custom from. First I would be her tech support, next its not what she needs. But you keep having fun with what you need / do.
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Bugs are constantly found for custom ROMs because they've not been tested so much compared to stock before they are being released. (Not saying that stock is bug free but each official version has gone through aggressive testing)
If stability and security are your top concerns then stay stock - this is a no-brainer. Custom ROMs are for people who are more adventurous and want to have more fun with their phones.
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I was actually talking about bugs in stock. Its much quicker to fix them in custom roms since the fix will be rolled out in a few days, but we'd be waiting months to get the same fix from google in an update.
Sure new bugs from custom roms may appear too from the new additions. But its still all the stock code base anyway...

ROMs are usually the result of tweaking, prodding, removal to enhance the phone's ability to function. Some things aren't necessary, and some things can be made to cater to a specific user. Obviously, google cannot cater to individual needs, but that's why so many ROMs exist, you can found out what you like and stick to it!
That's why I switched to android from my iPhone 4s. I love messing with my phone, and android is the platform that encourages this

[Q] Paranoid Android 2.99 Beta

I just went from BAMF to Paranoid Android 4.2 and for the life of me I can't figure out why so many people are talking up this ROM, could someone please explain it to me because I need to be missing something.
The only thing that looked interesting was the UI features which do not work correctly. The Opaque Statusbar and Taskbar do not work. Randomly they will go back to solid black then never goes back to Opaque. The Tablet UI seems awesome but the Taskbar buttons are way to small. So I figured I would change the DPI but it makes the Statusbar clock huge and the notifications area pop-up moves half-way off the screen rendering it unusable.
So after those features are taking away there really is no custom / developer settings on the ROM so it's pretty much pointless.

A lot of people like a tablet UI but don't like the smaller DPI or visa/versa et cetera.

Jubakuba said:
A lot of people like a tablet UI but don't like the smaller DPI or visa/versa et cetera.
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The Tablet UI is awesome but very poorly implemented it seems.

Shuino said:
So after those features are taking away there really is no custom / developer settings on the ROM so it's pretty much pointless.
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I came from AOKP milestone 1 to PA 2.99.5 and while I like the 4.2 I'm thinking it might be time to go back to AOKP. I thought the Phablet UI was interesting but when I tried it... it didn't work correctly. I do like the per-app customization but I'd rather customize other areas of the phone with my time. Add I miss my integrated weather on the lockscreen.

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I came from AOKP milestone 1 to PA 2.99.5 and while I like the 4.2 I'm thinking it might be time to go back to AOKP. I thought the Phablet UI was interesting but when I tried it... it didn't work correctly. I do like the per-app customization but I'd rather customize other areas of the phone with my time. Add I miss my integrated weather on the lockscreen.
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You are pretty much in the same boat am I. I was just hoping something happened during my install of Paranoid and that's why it wasn't working or features were missing or something. I'm glad I'm not the only one who thinks this ROM is defiantly lacking.
I am staying hopeful though. Once they get this ROM out of beta maybe Tablet UI will be working, and they will include some basic customization.

I do not see any problems with PA 2.99.5 whatsoever.. It works perfectly fine..smooth, good battery life, no lags, everything works as it should.. Once again, it is a matter of preference.. You putting up this thread was a matter of preference.. But once again, it is advisable that you do not complain by making a new thread.. Just post in the PA thread.. Molesarecoming is always open to constructive criticism..Once again, the word is "constructive criticism" the diversity of ROMs in the Galaxy Nexus community is what makes many stick with the nexus. so before bashing other ROMs, please just remember you not liking it, doesnt mean it's the same for others. If you hate it so much twitter it or fb it or something. >.<

Leemur89 said:
I do not see any problems with PA 2.99.5 whatsoever.. It works perfectly fine..smooth, good battery life, no lags, everything works as it should.. Once again, it is a matter of preference.. You putting up this thread was a matter of preference.. But once again, it is advisable that you do not complain by making a new thread.. Just post in the PA thread.. Molesarecoming is always open to constructive criticism..Once again, the word is "constructive criticism" the diversity of ROMs in the Galaxy Nexus community is what makes many stick with the nexus. so before bashing other ROMs, please just remember you not liking it, doesnt mean it's the same for others. If you hate it so much twitter it or fb it or something. >.<
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I'm not bashing anyone work at all, honestly I just wanted to know if I was missing something from the ROM since so many seem to use it. I have used it for 2 days now and none of the UI tweaks are functional, or do not work properly or are just way to small with no functional way to increase size. But the ROM is smooth and quick with insane boot speed.

Here is info on PA 2.99+ in a nutshell. First and foremost, you all downtalking tabletui need to realize that it does not actually exist in android 4.2, the paranoidandroid team found it deactivated by google in the code for 4.2 and they spent their time making it available again, it is in no way a finished product, if you want to see it work good then download a version of PA with an android 4.1x base ( i.e. PA 2.54 or before). Now onto people that cannot see the big deal, well anyone that tried the pre 4.2 PA knows that there is more customization available in PA than any other rom put together. Now PA 2.99+ are all AOSP based instead of CM based so they basically are building this rom from scratch to improve speed, performance and battery life for everyone, this means that a lot is not even integrated back into the rom yet. Simply trying out the newest PA will not give you a feel for why it is hands down the best rom out there. As for transparency, that only works on the homescreen and in order to properly utilize it you must A. be using a compatible launcher which has the homescreen backgrounds drawn correctly ( i.e. Apex, Stock or Holo etc, NOVA does not work) B. Choose a correct transparent hexcode or slide the transparency bar to where you would like it for that said Launcher in the "apps" section of paranoid preferences. I am on 2.99 Beta 5 and have full transparency with no issues that you speak of (Photo included as proof), in fact, Beta 5 has added almost everything I want back into the rom and fully functional, I can hardly wait for v3.0, seriously, I cannot see ever using another rom after using paranoidandroid, it just has the edge on everything else out there. AOKP and CM have nothing on it especially when it's at 100% again, which will be in the next couple weeks at the rate it's awesome devs work at!

tabUI is not existant in 4.2, what you see right now is raw honeycomb. if you want to see how good it was install 2.54, thats still based on 4.1. but right now i got to make my hands dirty with this. i know that on xda most people do not understand the difference between developing and kanging, and they wonder "why's this rom slower than others" but someones gotta do the dirty work and im okay if crackflashers avoid ours. they avoid cm for the same reason.
as for hybrid engine, i dont think you have understood it yet. it works flawless and it gives you more customization than all roms on xda combined, IF you can handle it. yes, you are able to make a button pink in this and that rom, but hybrid can transform thousands of apps and components to the better, with practical implications that are unheard of. the apps that are running on your huge 720p screen were not optimized for it, they're in the same layout that applies to pocketwatches or stone age miniature phones like the htc wildfire.
as for opacity, no app, obviously, draws underneath the bars - why would it. the launcher can do it, but again - not all do. nova has even a bug that offsets the wallpapers which leaves a black gap. our launcher works, apex works, holo works and perhaps a bunch of others. no rom does it differently, simply because its impossible.
the real difference is that we are producing features that push androids boundaries, we are sick of a homogen rom culture that hasnt really moved one inch for a couple of years now. all these roms are the same, do you realize that? kanging has produced one grey mass and nothing stands out. when we are done with our beta we will of course bring in all the essential features aswell, but new features have greater priority. and these blow everthing related to it clean out of the water.
compare build.prop hacks with hybrid engine, its like night and day. this is quite possibly the biggest rom scene improvement android has ever had.
compare rom scene color tweaks with per-app-color, its like night and day. normal roms are static, they give you one color and thats that. our colors shift from app to app.
compare extended desktop (which also came from us) with per-app-fullscreen
compare our recents with clearall implementations,
we had the most versatile toggles on android in 4.1 (right now we're implementing a new panel which will come in beta6)
etc.
but you got to understand that this stuff takes alot of time. i know i could just rename an open source rom, call myself "founder," post in 30 device forums and make craploads of money here on xda, but i chose not to and im happy i found a few guys that think in the same way. im content with the few people that use PA and the support i get from those, i dont see myself competing with any other rom for that matter. i dont feel like i have to stop all my work now just because this and that rom has a minor option that we dont have at the moment.

molesarecoming said:
tabUI is not existant in 4.2, what you see right now is raw honeycomb. if you want to see how good it was install 2.54, thats still based on 4.1. but right now i got to make my hands dirty with this. i know that on xda most people do not understand the difference between developing and kanging, and they wonder "why's this rom slower than others" but someones gotta do the dirty work and im okay if crackflashers avoid ours. they avoid cm for the same reason.
as for hybrid engine, i dont think you have understood it yet. it works flawless and it gives you more customization than all roms on xda combined, IF you can handle it. yes, you are able to make a button pink in this and that rom, but hybrid can transform thousands of apps and components to the better, with practical implications that are unheard of. the apps that are running on your huge 720p screen were not optimized for it, they're in the same layout that applies to pocketwatches or stone age miniature phones like the htc wildfire.
as for opacity, no app, obviously, draws underneath the bars - why would it. the launcher can do it, but again - not all do. nova has even a bug that offsets the wallpapers which leaves a black gap. our launcher works, apex works, holo works and perhaps a bunch of others. no rom does it differently, simply because its impossible.
the real difference is that we are producing features that push androids boundaries, we are sick of a homogen rom culture that hasnt really moved one inch for a couple of years now. all these roms are the same, do you realize that? kanging has produced one grey mass and nothing stands out. when we are done with our beta we will of course bring in all the essential features aswell, but new features have greater priority. and these blow everthing related to it clean out of the water.
compare build.prop hacks with hybrid engine, its like night and day. this is quite possibly the biggest rom scene improvement android has ever had.
compare rom scene color tweaks with per-app-color, its like night and day. normal roms are static, they give you one color and thats that. our colors shift from app to app.
compare extended desktop (which also came from us) with per-app-fullscreen
compare our recents with clearall implementations,
we had the most versatile toggles on android in 4.1 (right now we're implementing a new panel which will come in beta6)
etc.
but you got to understand that this stuff takes alot of time. i know i could just rename an open source rom, call myself "founder," post in 30 device forums and make craploads of money here on xda, but i chose not to and im happy i found a few guys that think in the same way. im content with the few people that use PA and the support i get from those, i dont see myself competing with any other rom for that matter. i dont feel like i have to stop all my work now just because this and that rom has a minor option that we dont have at the moment.
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Wonderfully said.
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PA 2.54 on epic 4g touch
I just flashed to this rom yesterday and really like it so far. I am interested in flashing to the newest 2.99 version. Where I can get the correct download for my phone, and do I need to update my recovery and if so, where do I get the link for that?
Thanks

btvolta said:
I just flashed to this rom yesterday and really like it so far. I am interested in flashing to the newest 2.99 version. Where I can get the correct download for my phone, and do I need to update my recovery and if so, where do I get the link for that?
Thanks
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I think the new 4.2 based PA roms might only be available for the Nexus series phones and tablets currently since the developers have started over building it from the ground up using AOSP source instead of CyanogenMod. I am not certain if the code is out there for other devs to build on their particular devices yet though.

[Q] ROM/MODS Suggestions?

Now that I have settled down with the hox, im ready to start installing custom stuff. However, since i am very busy with school work i dont really have time to explore myself (that comes summer time ) anyway i was hoping u guys could help recommend some different roms/mods that I can installt hat will suite my needs.I do like sense tho so I don't really want to go to vanilla android. Here are some things I would like:
1) toggles for wifi/data/brightness etc in notification pull down. either like how stock JB/ICS or the 2 finger settings pull down thing from JB. Is there any mod for like swipe across the top for brightness like in cyanogen?
2) autobrightness tweaks so its actually usable. right now auto is basically always on almost full brightness and its annoying.
3)any % battery mod and any way to get rid of beats/powersaver icons/ notifications?
4)any other battery tweaks/power saving mods would be helpful also. right now im getting like 12 hrs with wifi on and like 2-3 hrs of screen on
5) best swypesque keyboard? I like swype but the sense one is kidna inaccurate compared to the stock jb one i tried.
6) anything else i must have or a tweak that alot of people use etc.
7) any good free thd games that look/work well?
thanks in advance for any suggestions looking forward to this :fingers-crossed:
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ps. can someone point me towards some guides to get started?
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edit 2: i would also like lowered dpi/phtablet configuration, and has the multiscreen thing been ported from samsung? or maybe the qslide feature thing from LG

bump anyone? Also is there any mod/roms to lower dpi/ phablet configuration? On my g2x it was paranoid android.

Still nothing?? Can none helpa brother out?
Sent from my HTC One X using xda app-developers app

Well your first issue is to root your mobile. Go on htcdev . Com and do it. After that use a tutorials from Android Development section of the but please - first read very carefully everything! If you have any questions- first ask them and after its clear to you proceed with next steps.
Try Blade ROM.
For your first question - its not presented at the moment in Blade, but it can be implemented in the future.
Keyboard - if you insist to be swypable- try slide it. It's payed...
The main good thing in Blade ROM is that the rom is stripped to the essential core and in addition there is a Aroma mods, and in which you can choose whatever you like it use mods, and tweaks and add ons.
Hope this will help you.
Regards.
BLADE Team Member

jorjino2000 said:
Well your first issue is to root your mobile. Go on htcdev . Com and do it. After that use a tutorials from Android Development section of the but please - first read very carefully everything! If you have any questions- first ask them and after its clear to you proceed with next steps.
Try Blade ROM.
For your first question - its not presented at the moment in Blade, but it can be implemented in the future.
Keyboard - if you insist to be swypable- try slide it. It's payed...
The main good thing in Blade ROM is that the rom is stripped to the essential core and in addition there is a Aroma mods, and in which you can choose whatever you like it use mods, and tweaks and add ons.
Hope this will help you.
Regards.
BLADE Team Member
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alright thanks. i have rooted my g2x and nexus s so im not a total beginner however the process seems more complex for the hox. is blade still a sense rom?

PaKii94 said:
alright thanks. i have rooted my g2x and nexus s so im not a total beginner however the process seems more complex for the hox. is blade still a sense rom?
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Yes, I Blade is a Sense Rom. However there is a "desensing", script, and which removes almost all of HTC stuff - launcher, widgets, lockscreen, and etc.
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