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[Q] Can you S-off and have a Unlocked Bootloader?

I'm trying to root my girlfriend's T-mobile HTC Wildfire S properly like I did with my HTC Sensation. Switching views from Sensation forums, Wildfire S is very hectic and chaotic. There are not any clear and organized post that list the steps.
Questions:
1.) Is it possible to root, s-off, and unlocked bootloader for T-mobile US HTC Wildfire S?
2.) I read many post where you can s-off the phone but bootloader remained locked and vice versa. Why can you s-off with one method and then unlock bootloader with another?
3.) Just to make sure. If the phone is unlocked with bootloader but S-on, can we start flashing custom ROMs? What about if the phone is S-off and bootloader is locked, can we flash custom ROMs then?
Thank you in advance, any help will be very considerate!

YES in both cases
S-on + bootloader unlocked, you can flash custom roms.
S-off + bootloader locked, you can flash custom roms.
In both cases you need custom recovery, clockwork mod etc.

intel007 said:
YES in both cases
S-on + bootloader unlocked, you can flash custom roms.
S-off + bootloader locked, you can flash custom roms.
In both cases you need custom recovery, clockwork mod etc.
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Great! Can you actually guide me =D
Do you prefer me to Unlock bootloader before s-off or vice versa? Can you tell me what you did? It'll help soooo much. In addition, do 4ext Recovery work?

Once s-off, download clockwork recovery from alquez thread in development section.
Place the file PG76IMG.zip in the root of your SD.
Power off your phone, pull battery, replace battery, hold volume down + power to enter hboot,
Wait for file to be found and it will ask if you wanna update, click yes (volume up I think) then reboot your phone.
Note: you will need to delete the custom recovery file or move it from the root of your SD.
Now download root.zip just search within the wildfire s forums and you'll find it.
Note 2: once rooted you could install rom manager and install official clockwork recovery.

intel007 said:
Once s-off, download clockwork recovery from alquez thread in development section.
Place the file PG76IMG.zip in the root of your SD.
Power off your phone, pull battery, replace battery, hold volume down + power to enter hboot,
Wait for file to be found and it will ask if you wanna update, click yes (volume up I think) then reboot your phone.
Note: you will need to delete the custom recovery file or move it from the root of your SD.
Now download root.zip just search within the wildfire s forums and you'll find it.
Note 2: once rooted you could install rom manager and install official clockwork recovery.
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Where would unlocking bootloader fit in to this? What method did you use to s-off?

If your s-off no need to unlock the boot loader as the security is turned off.
If you haven't achieved s-off then unlocking the boot loader will allow you to flash roms and/or custom recovery, but you will not be able to upgrade radio or hboot.
I gained s-off with an xtc clip.

McLongDong said:
Where would unlocking bootloader fit in to this? What method did you use to s-off?
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You can unlock your bootloader by following the appropriate steps at htcdev.com/bootloader
I guess, to turn S-OFF on, you'll need XTC-Clip. Go for the bootloader method - easier.
Edit: I don't know about the safety part

xaneem said:
You can unlock your bootloader by following the appropriate steps at htcdev.com/bootloader
I guess, to turn S-OFF on, you'll need XTC-Clip. Go for the bootloader method - easier, safer.
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easier yes, but safer? i have never heard of an xtc clip mucking up a phone, and i own one....

heavy_metal_man said:
easier yes, but safer? i have never heard of an xtc clip mucking up a phone, and i own one....
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Agree completely.

xaneem said:
You can unlock your bootloader by following the appropriate steps at htcdev.com/bootloader
I guess, to turn S-OFF on, you'll need XTC-Clip. Go for the bootloader method - easier.
Edit: I don't know about the safety part
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heavy_metal_man said:
easier yes, but safer? i have never heard of an xtc clip mucking up a phone, and i own one....
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intel007 said:
Agree completely.
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Alright, to make this clear. You can't have both is the bottom-line. BUT, it is possible with an XTC-Clip.
Questions:
1.) So if I choose to s-off, what benefits do I loose from NOT unlocking bootloader? Vice versa.
2.) Do you prefer to have the phone with an unlocked bootloader or s-off? Since I can't have both.

OK there is currently no software to give full s-off. Full s-off allows to flash to the full nand including radio images and different hboots.
Htcdev unlocked boot loader is software done, and has fastboot commands enabled. But can not write to all of the nand, meaning it won't flash radios and downgraded hboots.
You can have both, but you need to get a xtc clip. S-off, then upgrade to the htcdev hboot. Then use simonsimons bootloader unlock tool from the Dev section to enable fastboot commands without HTC knowing, thus keeping warrenty. But, if you only intend to do custom roms a htcdev unlocked boot loader will suffice.
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heavy_metal_man said:
OK there is currently no software to give full s-off. Full s-off allows to flash to the full nand including radio images and different hboots.
Htcdev unlocked boot loader is software done, and has fastboot commands enabled. But can not write to all of the nand, meaning it won't flash radios and downgraded hboots.
You can have both, but you need to get a xtc clip. S-off, then upgrade to the htcdev hboot. Then use simonsimons bootloader unlock tool from the Dev section to enable fastboot commands without HTC knowing, thus keeping warrenty. But, if you only intend to do custom roms a htcdev unlocked boot loader will suffice.
Sent from my HTC Sensation XE with Beats Audio using xda premium
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Thanks! I just want to root my girlfriend's phone because I am tired of her nagging saying her phone is slow and yada yada...If you don't mind, can you read my plan of action and tell me if it is correct or not?
STEPS TO UNLOCKING BOOTLOADER and ROOTING for T-mobile HTC Wildfire S:
1.) Follow this to unlock bootloader [TUTORIAL][S-ON] Unlock Bootloader using HTCDEV.com
*** I also found this youtube video which seems to have all the steps (HD) How to Root the HTC Wildfire S (GSM) - Cursed4Eva***
2.) I want to follow this link but it says if I have to be s-off [TUTORIAL][ROOT] How to root your HTC Wildfire S?
In addition, I see a lot of custom ROMs saying you must be s-off in order to flash. What if I am s-on with unlocked bootloader?

Well, I personally have never done this. But the logic is sound firstly upgrade to the htcdev hboot but stop before it comes to unlocking it. Then go to the dev section and look for simonsimons bootloader unlock tool. Use that to unlock the bootloader and keep warrenty then again to the dev section and flash the alquez (hope that's spelled right ) recovery! Then finally get the fashable superuser zip file for gb and flash it from recovery. You now have root
As far as custom roms are concerned most will go on an unlocked bootloader, as that is what most people have here. But is a rom states that it really needs s-off or a different radio you may have some issues
Good luck buddy. If you need links let me know
Sent from my HTC Sensation XE with Beats Audio using xda premium

heavy_metal_man said:
Well, I personally have never done this. But the logic is sound firstly upgrade to the htcdev hboot but stop before it comes to unlocking it. Then go to the dev section and look for simonsimons bootloader unlock tool. Use that to unlock the bootloader and keep warrenty then again to the dev section and flash the alquez (hope that's spelled right ) recovery! Then finally get the fashable superuser zip file for gb and flash it from recovery. You now have root
As far as custom roms are concerned most will go on an unlocked bootloader, as that is what most people have here. But is a rom states that it really needs s-off or a different radio you may have some issues
Good luck buddy. If you need links let me know
Sent from my HTC Sensation XE with Beats Audio using xda premium
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when you say upgrade htcdev hboot, do you just go on the site and download the PG7624000? If not how do you upgrade htcdev hboot? My carrier is Tmo US

Go onto the website and select the ruu for your carrier download and install. After it finishes boot to hboot and if it says locked your good to go. Afaik
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heavy_metal_man said:
Go onto the website and select the ruu for your carrier download and install. After it finishes boot to hboot and if it says locked your good to go. Afaik
Sent from my HTC Sensation XE with Beats Audio using xda premium
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Alright, that's great! What was your favorite ROM?

Well, I quite like sense, especially the flip clock. But my old buzz ran like **** with it so I used cyanogenmod 7.2 rom I have heard the cm9 is going well with a full working camera, but my friend gets some bad battery issues.
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how to install custom while bootloader is locked and phone is rooted s-off

i rooted by using clockmod recovery (s-off) without unlocking the bootloader.so now i can install custom roms or not?

fireworker said:
i rooted by using clockmod recovery (s-off) without unlocking the bootloader.so now i can install custom roms or not?
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You need either a unlocked bootloader or S-Off to root a device.
If you are rooted properly then you can certainly flash Custom ROMs.
Before that go to ClockworkMod Recovery and take a complete Nandroid Backup of your current Stock ROM so that you can flash back Stock when you need.
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can i install custom rom without unlocking the bootloader or i have to unlock the bootloader?

You need a rooted device to flash Custom ROM. To get rooted you need to unlock the bootloader or make S-Off.
You said that you are rooted the device with S-off. That' enough you can flash any ROM.
Still if you are not sure you rooted or not just refer this guide:
http://androidforums.com/wildfire-s-all-things-root/480954-guide-how-root-wildfire-s-s-finally.html
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i cannot unlock bootloader because kernal version 2.6.35.10 ruu is not available on htcdev

Press <power> + Vol Down type what is displayed on your HBOOT.
If your Hboot version is 1.08.xxxx or later version you may skip the RUU Process and try to unlock the bootloader.
Follow the guide, it will help you to root.

I have Hboot Version 1.03.0000

fireworker said:
I have Hboot Version 1.03.0000
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You need to Update the bootloader thru HTCdev.com
Follow the steps carefully and patiently and update the bootloader. For RUU you have to choose according to your country/region and carrier, which matches with. But be sure to chose the right one.
You need to have installed HTC Sync, Android SDK and Java Runtime on your PC, those links are available with Guide itself.
After updating the bootloader, you need to root the device. Then install ClockworkMod Recovery, which will help you to take the Nandroid Backup of your STOCK ROM.
Thereafter if you need, can install LINK2SD which will help you to install all your apps on your SD Card. So that phone's internal memory will be increased and you can see a considrable fast with the device.
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as i told u my kenral verion ruu is not listed on htc dev i have already installed clockworkmod reccovery and lind2sd
i just want to install custom rom
all guides of installing custom roms says that u have to unlock bootloader to install custom rom

If you are S-OFF, then you can just install a ROM. There is no need to unlock the bootloader.

is there a way to unlock bootloader without htcdev

is there r chances to hard brick my phone while flashing custom rom?

Hi dear friend,
can you type exactly what is displayed on your HBOOT menu...?
I asked you already, but you didn't do it.....

Hi I'm just having trouble flashing recovery on my wildfire s, can u send me the correct RG67.img or what ever file I need , I'm firmware ver 2.3.5 and 1.0.9.0099.
I'm s on and not rooted but I am unlocked I need to flash then root but can't get the right files.. plz help man I spent 5 days goin in circles arghh
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st3wy said:
Hi I'm just having trouble flashing recovery on my wildfire s, can u send me the correct RG67.img or what ever file I need , I'm firmware ver 2.3.5 and 1.0.9.0099.
I'm s on and not rooted but I am unlocked I need to flash then root but can't get the right files.. plz help man I spent 5 days goin in circles arghh
Sent from my HTC Wildfire S A510b using xda app-developers app
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Download here:
http://androidforums.com/4801879-post750.html
if any doubts refer there itself.....
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senthamil said:
hi dear friend,
can you type exactly what is displayed on your hboot menu...?
I asked you already, but you didn't do it.....
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marvel pvt ship s-off rl
hboot-1.03.0000
mi crop-0451
radio-7.46.35.00
jun 2 2011,17:50

fireworker said:
marvel pvt ship s-off rl
hboot-1.03.0000
mi crop-0451
radio-7.46.35.00
jun 2 2011,17:50
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Hi,
Since your bootloader says S-OFF, you can try any custom ROM.
Just refer the below link, If you like it just download the ROM and Flash it. See all the features listed there. It's not available with the STOCK ROM!....
http://androidforums.com/wildfire-s...ockernel-stable-apps2sd-premium-features.html
Hope this may be useful.....

I was thinking to flash wild child 2
Is it save to flash this rom means it didn't brick my phone
And how to create partition
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fireworker said:
is there a way to unlock bootloader without htcdev
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get a XTC-CLIP

Xtc-clip is not available in my country
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[Q] how to s-off my wildfire s

Hi
i just unlocked bootloader from htcdev site, and i want to s-off my wildfire s and install cwm but i don't know how?!
please help me at this.

mahdi87_gh said:
Hi
i just unlocked bootloader from htcdev site, and i want to s-off my wildfire s and install cwm but i don't know how?!
please help me at this.
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you need xtc clip to s-off your phone.
edit: just download cwm recovery from here
rename it to recovery.img
then connect phone with hboot (fastboot usb)
type,
Code:
fastboot flash recovery recovery.img
you have now cwm recovery. if you have wildfire s 2012 this recovery will not work...you can check my signature for more info about 2012 model..you will find all links there..
and s-off not needed,its only needed if you want to change splash screen,dual boot,mtd partitions etc etc.

You can install CWM after unlocking the bootloader......you dont need s-off for that

csoulr666 said:
You can install CWM after unlocking the bootloader......you dont need s-off for that
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I already Read posts and if u know, it's better to guide me not nagging me!!!!!!!!!

after <2mins of searching i found this
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1850490
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So instead of POSTING A QUESTION FIRST.......TAKE SOME TIME TO SEARCH AROUND

Issues Between S-On S-Off And AAHK on the top of the bootlader

Hello Everyone
i wanna know, what's the diference between S-on, S-Off and AAHK ( I Have the AAHK in the bootloader,)
Hope something can answer my Question!
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manuelchef89 said:
Hello Everyone
i wanna know, what's the diference between S-on, S-Off and AAHK ( I Have the AAHK in the bootloader,)
Hope something can answer my Question!
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S-On: security on. Can be locked, unlocked, relocked, or unlockable depending on bootloader version and current/previous lock state. If unlocked, can flash ROMs but requires flashing boot.img from fastboot each time you flash a new ROM zip. Even if unlocked, cannot flash radios. Even if unlocked, may not be able to flash ported ROMs.
S-Off: security off. Can flash anything: radios, ported ROMs, and zips (without fastboot flashing boot.imgs).
AAHK: a tool once used for getting S-Off. Now retired. If your bootloader says AAHK you probably have S-Off.

S-OFF + Root or Do I need to unlock bootloader via htcdev ?

Hi all,
Was just wondering;
I have a Rogers HTC M8 and want to install a custom ROM
Do I need to unlock bootloader via HTC, or is there another way now that we have S-OFF ?
And if there is, please do share
Thanks in advance, much appreciated

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2708571
Maybe this holds your answers ?

Mr Hofs said:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2708571
Maybe this holds your answers ?
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Thanks so much
But it says I need to be S-OFF in order to proceed, and to get S-OFF I need root.
So how can I root in order to do it ? Would weak sauce work ?
Sorry, newB here when it comes to this

Go to firewater S-off website, the second method could let you s-off without unlock boatload and flash custom recovery as well as custom Rom.
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tommy0411 said:
Go to firewater S-off website, the second method could let you s-off without unlock boatload and flash custom recovery as well as custom Rom.
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Hi and thanks for the reply,
I tried the second method but the weaksauce wont work on my Rogers device, I get an error...
I am guessing the only other option is to use HTCdev ??

captiv123 said:
Hi and thanks for the reply,
I tried the second method but the weaksauce wont work on my Rogers device, I get an error...
I am guessing the only other option is to use HTCdev ??
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I think that's okay to do HTCdev unlock bootloader first then flash custom recovey and get root.
Then, flash custom rom.
Don't worry dude.