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I'll be getting this phone in a few days and I've done some reading, but I just want to get confirmation of a few things. I'm coming from an Amaze.
1 - Flash Counter - This phone has a flash counter that can detect if you have flashed your phone and will void your warranty. Unless you use a Odin ROM with root?
1.5 - What is the best way to make a stock backup?
2 - NV Backup - For some reason, when you flash, you can lose your IMEI and get only 2g speeds. You need to do a Full NV Backup just in case?
3 - Once rooted and NV Backup, you can flash CWM?
4 - You can then flash a custom ROM, for example CM9?
5 - And all this can be done without tripping the flash counter and generally without bricking unless you screw something up?
Am I missing anything or have I pretty much outlined the best method of obtaining stock root or custom ROM with all the backups of things I need?
Thanks guys! I really appreciate it. Like I said, I've read, but there are many conflicting reports out there. :good:
Sounds and looks pretty darn good to me. Thanks for researching and then asking questions. Very awesome of you.
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Right on.
Anyone else care to weigh in and double verify?
Minker17 said:
I'll be getting this phone in a few days and I've done some reading, but I just want to get confirmation of a few things. I'm coming from an Amaze.
1 - Flash Counter - This phone has a flash counter that can detect if you have flashed your phone and will void your warranty. Unless you use a Odin ROM with root?
1.5 - What is the best way to make a stock backup?
2 - NV Backup - For some reason, when you flash, you can lose your IMEI and get only 2g speeds. You need to do a Full NV Backup just in case?
3 - Once rooted and NV Backup, you can flash CWM?
4 - You can then flash a custom ROM, for example CM9?
5 - And all this can be done without tripping the flash counter and generally without bricking unless you screw something up?
Am I missing anything or have I pretty much outlined the best method of obtaining stock root or custom ROM with all the backups of things I need?
Thanks guys! I really appreciate it. Like I said, I've read, but there are many conflicting reports out there. :good:
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Google Triangle Away app so you dont have to worry about the flash counter. It will reset back to zero with that app. Actually here you go.
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...mIDgCA&usg=AFQjCNEqyODVauhTo0NzJibsAPB3VNzhEg
This guy has done his homework, you have been reading for sure...looks good to me also...go for it. I think you are ready my friend.
This s**T should be stickied!
Great job OP for doing your HW.
if we had more users like this around xda, i might have a bit more hair. looks good to me, but i might add to use trwp instead of cwm (just because cwm sucks imo). anyways, early congrats on getting an awesome phone. you wont regret it!
Thanks guys.
The steps for root, recovery, a ROM are generally the same for every phone. All you have to do is look at the stickied threads and see what is different, then search on those topics and draw conclusions.
Thanks again guys!
UPDATE
Got the phone. Did the initial setup, didn't add any Google Accounts, got on wifi, made sure everything was up to date.
Did my IMEI and Full NV Backup
Rooted
Rebooted
Everything went flawlessly!
Good luck and enjoy the phone. Did you decide what ROM you are going to use, if any?
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I'll probably go CM9. I want stock, but I know sometimes features that I enjoy on stock rom don't make it over to CM.
Hi,
I had a Wildfire S a few months ago, which I had owned for about 4 months (The Wildfire S was terrible) so I decided to root it.
To say I was happy after I had rooted was an understatement, I flashed CM7 onto the device, which extremely improved the phone.
The problem was, as soon as I flashed it, i started developing problems (not rom caused) such as a constant noise when in calls etc.
Now, my question is I own a HOX, which is an absolute epic phone to say the least.
I really want to use Vipers ROM / PerfectAndroid etc, but am so worried about rooting the HOX.
Is it worth rooting the HOX? What can go wrong and what can I expect to happen if I develop issues? (LIKE LAST TIME )
Thanks in advanced.
Wilks3y said:
Hi,
I had a Wildfire S a few months ago, which I had owned for about 4 months (The Wildfire S was terrible) so I decided to root it.
To say I was happy after I had rooted was an understatement, I flashed CM7 onto the device, which extremely improved the phone.
The problem was, as soon as I flashed it, i started developing problems (not rom caused) such as a constant noise when in calls etc.
Now, my question is I own a HOX, which is an absolute epic phone to say the least.
I really want to use Vipers ROM / PerfectAndroid etc, but am so worried about rooting the HOX.
Is it worth rooting the HOX? What can go wrong and what can I expect to happen if I develop issues? (LIKE LAST TIME )
Thanks in advanced.
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All of the ROMS for the HOX are really good, if you're worried might I suggest ARHD as it's the closest ROM to stock there is, aside from Maximus ROM.
If you follow my guide (in my sig) then the rooting will be okay
It's really not that hard
The-Last-Hylian said:
All of the ROMS for the HOX are really good, if you're worried might I suggest ARHD as it's the closest ROM to stock there is, aside from Maximus ROM.
If you follow my guide (in my sig) then the rooting will be okay
It's really not that hard
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Thanks for your reply mate, I know rooting isnt a huge process in itself. Its just knowing that if (when?) something goes wrong with my phone, im totally screwed for the warranty.
Which may cause me not able to get replacement/fixed under warranty?
Wilks3y said:
Thanks for your reply mate, I know rooting isnt a huge process in itself. Its just knowing that if (when?) something goes wrong with my phone, im totally screwed for the warranty.
Which may cause me not able to get replacement/fixed under warranty?
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unlocking your boot loader will void you warranty, but if you have a fault less hox like i got then go for it
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Is it worth it? Always personal ofcourse. Do you want to make backups? Lots of customizations? Just root to delete some system-apps or to install an add-blocker? Get the bloody fast Jelly Bean?
In my opinion: GO FOR IT
I don't know how old your One X is, but perhaps it's wise to wait a couple of weeks to see you have any faults.
Wait one or two weeks to see if it has any faults.
If it's faultfree then go root it
I tested mine 12 days before unlocking the bootloader.
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It's not actually true that it'll void your warranty. Well not completely anyway, more often than not HTC will honor the warranty if it's a hardware issue, if it's software and it's messed up because you fscked up your HOX then it's on your own head... but it's incredibly hard to do so, it's pretty hard to completely brick a phone if you read and follow the guides and if you manage to brick it then you shouldn't even be holding it!
At least that's the general consensus nowadays...
Huubs said:
Is it worth it? Always personal ofcourse. Do you want to make backups? Lots of customizations? Just root to delete some system-apps or to install an add-blocker? Get the bloody fast Jelly Bean?
In my opinion: GO FOR IT
I don't know how old your One X is, but perhaps it's wise to wait a couple of weeks to see you have any faults.
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My HOX is about 2 months old now, and seen no issues what so ever. I want to be able to customise it to be honest, thats about it. It runs smooth and fast as it is, but I get bored of things so easy and the Sense UI etc is boring me to death now .
And thats another thing putting me off rooting mate, JellyBean is (Should be) just around the corner? So don't know whether to wait, or Root
Flo95 said:
Wait one or two weeks to see if it has any faults.
If it's faultfree then go root it
I tested mine 12 days before unlocking the bootloader.
Sent from my HTC One X using xda app-developers app
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I have had my phone longer than that, but still very very worried about rooting.
The-Last-Hylian said:
It's not actually true that it'll void your warranty. Well not completely anyway, more often than not HTC will honor the warranty if it's a hardware issue, if it's software and it's messed up because you fscked up your HOX then it's on your own head... but it's incredibly hard to do so, it's pretty hard to completely brick a phone if you read and follow the guides and if you manage to brick it then you shouldn't even be holding it!
At least that's the general consensus nowadays...
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Ah I see, do you know of any cases where the hardware has gone wrong, and HTC have still honored the warranty even though they were rooted?
Was reading a thread of someone having a convo with HTC, and they adimantly stated that if the bootloader is unlocked you are not covered by warranty, and my understanding is that the bootloader HAS TO BE LOCKED to be rooted?
Thanks all !
It is worth doing it, yes.
I waited tree months staying on stock, but rooted, then i decided to install ARHD 2.3.2. Stock was already very good but a custom rom gives the HOX the rest to be the best phone on market. Battery life increases, the handling is even more fluid and laggless as before.
What can going wrong? Well, the most common failure is to forget flashing boot.img as a separate step, because this is unusual against the procedure done with desire or others.
Also restoring a nandroid backup also requires to flash boot of the backup separately. If you keep the boot images at your PC and the ROM Zips on your device, you are well prepared to do this.
Hi mate,
Yes I will make sure to back EVERYTHING up. I have a couple more questions.
I have seen people saying flash RUU, Flash Kernal, etc.
I don't know what the RUU is and im not very informed about Kernals, I know the ROM is the OS, the Kernal is the Driver? I think (NOT A CLUE ABOUT RUU)
And I have heard of battery life getting drained much quicker etc after root? Or people developing signal problems etc.
Finally, if I do root, and decide I don't like it, can I revert to stock and retain warranty?
Again thanks for all the help so far guys !
had 3 phones...last one had a big gap on the left hand side and had issues with power button. had phone unlocked and rooted...left the phone unlocked but flashed back the stock rom that came with the phone...send it to the repair center and the phone came back brand spanking new and still unlocked and everything was covered by the warranty. as long as you do not fry the motherboard due to overclocking and you are careful what you flash and take time to read and search of what you want to do i say you are good to go mate...and like i said few minutes ago to someone else..if you want to customize and love playing with different themes then Viper is your rom...if you want a clean cut rom but still with the tweaks from Viper then ARHD or Renovate are the great roms and far more faster if you ask me...
plus do not forget there is MIUI based on sense framework which for me is awesome and has so many themes and lockscreens to play with and also JB roms to
Goku80 said:
had 3 phones...last one had a big gap on the left hand side and had issues with power button. had phone unlocked and rooted...left the phone unlocked but flashed back the stock rom that came with the phone...send it to the repair center and the phone came back brand spanking new and still unlocked and everything was covered by the warranty. as long as you do not fry the motherboard due to overclocking and you are careful what you flash and take time to read and search of what you want to do i say you are good to go mate...and like i said few minutes ago to someone else..if you want to customize and love playing with different themes then Viper is your rom...if you want a clean cut rom but still with the tweaks from Viper then ARHD or Renovate are the great roms and far more faster if you ask me...
plus do not forget there is MIUI based on sense framework which for me is awesome and has so many themes and lockscreens to play with and also JB roms to
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Bah everyone is telling me to Root it, like I said yeah I wan't customisation with themes etc, which Viper has really drawn me into, but on the other hand I want a clean and bugless rom, that just WORKS GREAT.
Thanks for your example of warranty, thats sorted my head out a bit.
Will probably take the plunge within the next few days, and give it a go.
Just building my confidence up to do it !!
THANKS SO MUCH EVERYONE !
Wilks3y said:
Bah everyone is telling me to Root it, like I said yeah I wan't customisation with themes etc, which Viper has really drawn me into, but on the other hand I want a clean and bugless rom, that just WORKS GREAT.
Thanks for your example of warranty, thats sorted my head out a bit.
Will probably take the plunge within the next few days, and give it a go.
Just building my confidence up to do it !!
THANKS SO MUCH EVERYONE !
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no problem my friend. here is a good start up guide for you
http://forum.xda-developers.com/wiki/HTC_One_X
Wilks3y said:
Bah everyone is telling me to Root it, like I said yeah I wan't customisation with themes etc, which Viper has really drawn me into, but on the other hand I want a clean and bugless rom, that just WORKS GREAT.
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All the roms are great :laugh:. Just pick what suits your needs. And good luck with the flashing!
And if you want bugless, stay away from the Jelly Bean roms. Fast as hell and buttersmooth but not completely bugfree. I'm waiting for the official HTC Jelly Bean-update, i hope the AOSP-rom-developers can bring us some magic than.
Huubs said:
All the roms are great :laugh:. Just pick what suits your needs. And good luck with the flashing!
And if you want bugless, stay away from the Jelly Bean roms. Fast as hell and buttersmooth but not completely bugfree. I'm waiting for the official HTC Jelly Bean-update, i hope the AOSP-rom-developers can bring us some magic than.
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Don't suppose you know what happens when / if they release the official JB Rom,
Can you go back to stock roms, cuz I think when JB is released, I would want to go back to stock.
I've heard rumors in september. I repeat rumors!!!! Could also be december, you never know with HTC
And it's always possible to go back to stock. Only important thing is that you have a nandroid backup of your stock rom without root.
- unlock bootloader
- flash cwm
- do a nandroid backup!!!! and place a copy on your PC
to go back to stock after flashing custom rom:
- extract boot.img from your stock rom nandroid backup on your PC and flash it via fastboot.
- wipe data/cache, factory reset in cwm
- restore stock rom nandroid backup in cwm
- flash corresponding recovery from your stock rom via fastboot
After that you can OTA-update your One X and you're ready to enjoy some wonderful jelly beans
Happy flashing!
Huubs said:
I've heard rumors in september. I repeat rumors!!!! Could also be december, you never know with HTC
And it's always possible to go back to stock. Only important thing is that you have a nandroid backup of your stock rom without root.
- unlock bootloader
- flash cwm
- do a nandroid backup!!!! and place a copy on your PC
to go back to stock after flashing custom rom:
- extract boot.img from your stock rom nandroid backup on your PC and flash it via fastboot.
- wipe data/cache, factory reset in cwm
- restore stock rom nandroid backup in cwm
- flash corresponding recovery from your stock rom via fastboot
After that you can OTA-update your One X and you're ready to enjoy some wonderful jelly beans
Happy flashing!
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Hi mate, might have to save what you just said as a notepad when I get home
Don't know why im finding it such a struggle to take the leap of faith and root it, do I worry too much?
Wilks3y said:
Hi mate, might have to save what you just said as a notepad when I get home
Don't know why im finding it such a struggle to take the leap of faith and root it, do I worry too much?
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I know exactly what you mean. It took me a year before i rooted my desire. You root when you are ready for it.
Here's i.m.o. the best guide for rooting your One X: http://onexroot.com/one-x-root/how-to-root-one-x/
Step 18: go to your location where you put the onexroot-folder
Step 39: Download cwm 5.8.4.0 from here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1594819 and place it in the onexroot-folder and flash it with fastboot flash recovery recovery-clockwork-touch-5.8.4.0-endeavoru.img
After flashing cwm, make a nandroid backup from your stock rom. Then you continue with step 40.
If you're ready with the guide and it's not ok, you missed something. This almost can't go wrong.
Goodluck :good:
Go for it
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Go for it
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See, this morning I was all up for it.
I was like "Yeah, what can go wrong, the ROM's look brilliant, you've rooted and flashed a phone before and it was better after flash".
Now I'm like "No DONT DO IT, if something goes wrong then you'll have to pay for repairs, when you've already spent 500£ on the phone".
BAH why does Vipers ROM exist, I would be able to stay away from rooting without that ROM, I just love the red/blue themes where its all black etc.
Hi guys,
I have samsung note 2 N7100
Android version 4.1.2
I am just looking around and I see loads of stuff about rooting, I came from Apple iPhones coz they are **** now lol and i have jailbroken all my devices. Had my note 2 for few months now but I am worried if i root it I will loose my warranty and might mess up my phone....
I seen the tutorials and it looks really easy but lets say down the line I want to un-root my device, could I leave no trace of the device being rooted?
I had to replace my old note 2 and it was rooted i managed to un root it but the benefit was that I work in the phone shop and I replaced it.
SHOULD I ROOT THE DEVICE?
WHAT BENEFITS WILL I GET?
Cheers guy
p.s. love the community here!
Hi,
Even without root, the Note 2 is still beast.
But with all these customizations, tweaks, improvement going on in the development threads, it's a GO.
Plus, you can unroot easily anytime you have a computer.
Cheers!
First of all! Welcome to the family
Well here's what! Rooting your device is basically allowing your phone to run apps and do special operations that it cannot normally do and also flash custom roms. If anyone else can help with a reply that will be awesome. Just go through the step by step process in either this link: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1896696 or this one: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1923956.
For more understanding, watch videos on youtube on the terms: rooting, custom Rom and custom recovery. If anyone can help it would be appreciated!
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here is a good tutorial to root without changing your counter ->http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1930418
Don't be a puss and root. May the force be with u....
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You have nothing to loose but more to gain
Well it's upto you. You'd get a HELL lot more of options with a rooted devices than unrooted. Personally, I find absolutely no reason not to root, and it would be such a waste to not unlock the full potential of this beast. It's an awesome device as it is, but it's even awesome-er when your root
If u rooted the phone or not .. u will never use ur warranty ...
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device : note2
ROM : testing
kernel : testing
modem : XXDLK7
recovery : TWRP
It's easy to remove all evidence of rooting if you ever need to. Still I don't think you should rush into it if your uncertain. There are benefits I've gained from rooting though nothing I couldn't live without. To some extent I've been rooting for so long it's just a habit now, I'm just used to having it, but even if I didn't have it on this phone I'd be happy with it.
Sent from the mighty Note II
LukeC88 said:
Hi guys,
SHOULD I ROOT THE DEVICE?
WHAT BENEFITS WILL I GET?
Cheers guy
p.s. love the community here!
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If you know valid reason to root your device then root it, don't rush for fun or experiments. when you find some stuffs needs root that is must for you then go and root, but read couple of times before it.
dirtydeangelo said:
If u rooted the phone or not .. u will never use ur warranty ...
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I don't getting you. If you saying rooting voids warranty then
This is purely misguiding statement
I have rooted device and i still have warranty, what is wrong ?
dr.ketan said:
If you know valid reason to root your device then root it, don't rush for fun or experiments. when you find some stuffs needs root that is must for you then go and root, but read couple of times before it.
I don't getting you. If you saying rooting voids warranty then
This is purely misguiding statement
I have rooted device and i still have warranty, what is wrong ?
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Nothing is wrong ... from my experience with phones I had never use the warranty
At all
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device : note2
ROM : testing
kernel : testing
modem : XXDLK7
recovery : TWRP
dirtydeangelo said:
Nothing is wrong ... from my experience with phones I had never use the warranty
At all
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device : note2
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kernel : testing
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Me neither. However it's a fact that a small number of units shipped will develop a fault. If you're going to put big money into a phone line the Note 2 then it's not unnatural to want assurance that you are going to have protection if you are one of the unlucky ones.
Sent from the mighty Note II
dr.ketan said:
I have rooted device and i still have warranty, what is wrong ?
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Warranty is always a question of time.
The advantage of rooting is difficult to explain to everyone who is doubting about that.
For me rooting is something that should not be necessary.
There are many users that will never use root access even when it is available.
But there are thoughts that root access will lead to problems or misuse.
For me root access is usefull in some cases. For example to install Whatsapp on tablets with wifi-only.
Not a question of advantages and disadvantages of Root OR how it is helpful
I mean to say You can claim warranty even you have device rooted with flash counter 0.
2 main reasons for me :
- Blocking ads
- backing up my entire phone.
You can't do that without root.
Now that my phone is rooted i've done other changes like installing the aosp camera to use photosphere and CWM to backup and install zip easier.
But I keep stock rom with stock kernel, with this phone there is no need to change it to my mind.
With root you can put any tiers application in the multi windows right?
You can also disable bloatware or freeze them with greenify.
The only thing is missing with is the undervolt settings. That's why I'm already in custom kernel/ROM.
But when 4.2.2 goes out I'll certainly go back stock ROM which i hope, will increase battery life.
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dr.ketan said:
Not a question of advantages and disadvantages of Root OR how it is helpful
I mean to say You can claim warranty even you have device rooted with flash counter 0.
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Not in the good ole United States of America (but there is more too this?)
If you purchase a Samsung Galaxy Note II (or any other phone) from a Authorized Dealer, it comes with one year warranty and guarteneed warranty per terms of that dealers contract. If you unlock/root/flash, whatever, you break that contract because of something YOU did, not the Authorized Dealer, therefore, they are not responsible for it, YOU are.
Now, as someone that has unlocked/rooted/flashed MANY phones over the years, every set of instructions I have every read.....1. Explains the above first. 2. Immediately explains to read ALL the instructions first and understand them before you attempt anything. 3. Explains THEY are not responsible if you brick your phone. 4. They always give detailed instructions (or link to them) a. How to put it back to stock and b. Lastly, DO NOT TAKE PHONE BACK TO DEALER ROOTED!!!
Now, with that said, I (we) in America have T.E.P. (Total Equiptment Protection) that I pay $11.00USD a month. This insurance is in case I lose my phone, its stolen, I drop in bathtub, run over with car.............I pay a deductible ($150.00USD I think) and they give me a new phone.
Now, these are two different things. During the initial warranty period, If I have SDS, I take it back to Authorized Dealer, fix my s**t! After Warranty, period, I send it back to insurance company, pay deductible, and either they send you a new one OR send you a agreed upon compatable device!
Cheers!!!
For me rooting was a must for directory bind. As has been said blocking ads is essential greenify good and the increase Volume mod was also a god send.
However on the downside I've lost sky go.
I rooted my Samsung day 2 and wouldn't turn back. Iv undervolted getting 2 days out of my battery. Root is awesome.
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Can I root and keep everything stock and get ota updates? That would be perfect because I really dislike custom roms. I've got the 4G version.
Hello, this is the first time posting on this forum and relatively new on the android platform after jumping ship from blackberry. So, i have afew questions i hope you guys can help me with.
1. I heard/read alot regarding rooting to bring out the full potential of an android(s4) phone. What is the full advantage of rooting my phone? How does granting administrative access affect my phone performance?
2. I often see the jargon of bloatware on this forum, what does it exactly mean?
3. What is the function of ROM?
Sorry if these qns are repeated, please direct me to the answer if it is already present in the forum. thanks
1. Ans
2. Ans
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Still confused between Samsung Galaxy S4 and 10 acres of land in London
Rooting your phone gives you access to do anything you want ie (Apps 2 sd) that the phone dosent permit you to do.
A ROM is just a different feel, and its a faster alternative in upgrading your android ios. (S4 has touchwiz, can change it to Htc Sense)
Bloatware is a bunch of unnecessary apps that Carriers know youll never use but have it just cause. Its annoying and it takes up space. Rooting allows you to delete these apps, cause if its not you wont be able to remove it.
I hope this helped, ask again if you have any more questions.
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I was wondering if there is a sort of rooting guide for dummies out there. I want to root my phone to get rid of some of the bloatware that I will never use, and also to delete the annoying start up and shut down sounds. Other than that, I'm happy with Touchwiz so far, but I suppose adding custom themes would be fun.
I rooted my last phone (Samsung Vibrant) over 2yrs ago and don't remember how I did it. I know I installed a custom ROM, but don't remember how to do that either. I remember following a really good guide with pictures and step by step instructions though. It's early days yet with the S4, but I really hope someone will do the same kind of guide because it's very helpful for those of us who like to customize but don't have the time or knowledge to seriously get into it. When I look at some of the threads on rooting it just seems like a foreign language to me!
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mahgnillig said:
I was wondering if there is a sort of rooting guide for dummies out there. I want to root my phone to get rid of some of the bloatware that I will never use, and also to delete the annoying start up and shut down sounds. Other than that, I'm happy with Touchwiz so far, but I suppose adding custom themes would be fun.
I rooted my last phone (Samsung Vibrant) over 2yrs ago and don't remember how I did it. I know I installed a custom ROM, but don't remember how to do that either. I remember following a really good guide with pictures and step by step instructions though. It's early days yet with the S4, but I really hope someone will do the same kind of guide because it's very helpful for those of us who like to customize but don't have the time or knowledge to seriously get into it.
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Try the motochopper method - the guide is pretty simple and self explanatory however if you're on latest kernel then rooting is a no go as of now
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Still confused between Samsung Galaxy S4 and 10 acres of land in London
nikufellow said:
Try the motochopper method - the guide is pretty simple and self explanatory however if you're on latest kernel then rooting is a no go as of now
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Thanks I looked at that and it seems straightforward, but I'm concerned about what to do after the actual root. Things like how to back the phone up in case I mess it up, how to delete things, how to add things. Also I find a lot of the terminology confusing... not quite sure what all the acronyms stand for either, like ODIN or CWM, or what each thing does exactly. This is the kind of thread which would be totally useful: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=849028 (this one is for the Vibrant though, so I think a lot of it would be different on a different device?)
As far as the kernel... as far as I know nothing has been updated. I got the phone on the first day it came out so I'm assuming it doesn't have the latest kernel. How would you find out? Not even sure what the kernel is or what it does :\ I would like to find out though!
^^^then you might be on an earlier kernel version anyway trying to root by motochopper method won't brick your device even if it doesn't go successful so no worries.
ODIN is the same software that service centres use to revive your bricked device - as a matter of fact with Samsung drivers, a usb cable and stock rom downloaded from online sources like sammobile, you can revert almost any instances of soft brick. Simply saying ODIN will flash back factory/stock rom anfd make your device as it was when you bought it. And yeah flashing via ODIN and all are more or less same procedure for all Samsung devices
Cwm is a custom recovery. If you don't know what recovery means it might be worth googling for better understanding the concept as even my knowledge is limited and my explanations might fall short of your expectations
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with regards to rooting my s4 which is running on 4.2.2 jellybean, does motochopper actually brick my phone? In addition, can i root my phone to remove the bloatwares and afterwhich, unroot my phone again, with all the bloatwares already permanently removed? Is it possible to download the full list of softwares of the s4 online such that if i accidentally remove an important software, i will be able to restore it. As I am someone who is not into very much customization and over-clocking, i believe i dont need my phone rooted for custom ROM right? I can use stock ROM when my phone is unrooted and clear of bloatware?
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with regards to rooting my s4 which is running on 4.2.2 jellybean, does motochopper actually brick my phone? In addition, can i root my phone to remove the bloatwares and afterwhich, unroot my phone again, with all the bloatwares already permanently removed? Is it possible to download the full list of softwares of the s4 online such that if i accidentally remove an important software, i will be able to restore it. As I am someone who is not into very much customization and over-clocking, i believe i dont need my phone rooted for custom ROM right? I can use stock ROM when my phone is unrooted and clear of bloatware?
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Steps
#1. Locate GS4 box, place phone inside box.
#2. Return to store and get iPhone.
Serious tho. Best thing you can do is READ. SEARCH and READ. SEARCH and READ.
If you are unsure about something, READ again. Most questions have already been asked and answered.
If you find yourself lost......SEARCH and READ. Believe me this is this most useful advice you will ever get here.
Stuff is so easy now compared to when android 1st started. I remember rooting my G1 on a terminal prompt and installing recovery with wicked long commands. Now everything is automated and the hardest (NOT) part is reading the step by step instructions provided on almost every mod and tweak.
Welcome and goodluck !
I've been rooting since OG Evo days, but only played with that, the s2, and s3. Rooting was easy as pie. But with all this knox stuff I'm wary.
I recently read reports of people sending in their phones to both Samsung and tmobile and getting it back with knox restored but still maintaining sim unlocks. So obviously it's a well kept firmware they flash or perhaps signatures.
This in mind I used kingoapp, and root was easy. Just decline the recovery install and you'll maintain 0x0. But after this new information I'm still worried to trip knox for fear those restores we're just a fluke.
Anybody have luck with safestrap? I heard/read it doesn't replace recovery so it also won't trip knox? Also, as long as I don't flash kernels or recovery I'll be good right? Like i can delete bloat or install at root level to /system and I'll be fine?
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Naturesretard said:
I've been rooting since OG Evo days, but only played with that, the s2, and s3. Rooting was easy as pie. But with all this knox stuff I'm wary.
I recently read reports of people sending in their phones to both Samsung and tmobile and getting it back with knox restored but still maintaining sim unlocks. So obviously it's a well kept firmware they flash or perhaps signatures.
This in mind I used kingoapp, and root was easy. Just decline the recovery install and you'll maintain 0x0. But after this new information I'm still worried to trip knox for fear those restores we're just a fluke.
Anybody have luck with safestrap? Also, as long as I don't flash kernels or recovery I'll be good right? Like i can delete bloat or install at root level to /system and I'll be fine?
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As long as you just root it nothing happens system will be fine .... Plssss hit thanksss.....
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pvinayraju2k4 said:
As long as you just root it nothing happens system will be fine .... Plssss hit thanksss.....
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Thanks for the info. However in the future there's no need to request we thank. I've learned most people here on xda thank quite often, myself included.
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Thanks for the info. However in the future there's no need to request we thank. I've learned most people here on xda thank quite often, myself included.
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First off, the above poster is wrong... can't believe he asks for a thank. When you install a custom recovery, that is when you trip Knox. There a method to install a custom ROM w/o a recovery using Mobile Odin Pro. I know nothing about that but have read here that it works. You just can't flash custom kernel. I went ahead and flash a custom recovery because I don't care about Knox and will never send this phone to Samsung for warranty repair.
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First off, the above poster is wrong... can't believe he asks for a thank. When you install a custom recovery, that is when you trip Knox. There a method to install a custom ROM w/o a recovery using Mobile Odin Pro. I know nothing about that but have read here that it works. You just can't flash custom kernel. I went ahead and flash a custom recovery because I don't care about Knox and will never send this phone to Samsung for warranty repair.
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Just the fact most of us have insurance plans; if we discover a problem such as faulty gps or screen displacement, etc, tmobile fixes it for us anyway, right?
So it really doesn't matter if we trip knox, correct???
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Just the fact most of us have insurance plans; if we discover a problem such as faulty gps or screen displacement, etc, tmobile fixes it for us anyway, right?
So it really doesn't matter if we trip knox, correct???
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From everything I read, yes.
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asianflavor said:
First off, the above poster is wrong...
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He's not wrong. There are a couple different methods of rooting that don't require a custom recovery, therefore don't trip Knox.
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From everything I read, yes.
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I guess I shouldn't bother with safestrap then. Was planning on trying to pay off the note 3 and keep it anyway instead of jumping again this year.
Either way it won't matter...until I do eventually get a new handset but even then I know enough about rooting I shouldn't need to repair this one once paid off and detached from my account.
my next question is then should I TWRP or cwm? I tried CWM for the first time since gingerbread on my s3 and fell in love with it
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Hey Nature! just wanted to add my 0.02, ok theres a difference between rooting, and a difference between flashing recoveries,kernels,roms,and what have you.
ill give a brief explanation in the differences. The Colors of the titles indicate how safe/dangerous it is to modify one of these things and wether it will void your warranty, Green=Wont void your warranty, and easily reversible. Orange=Void Warranty, Reversible, But starting to get Dangerous, Red=Definitely VVoids Warranty, and if screwed up, could ruin/brick your devvice Definitely Voids Warranty, and if screwed up, could ruin/brick your devvice
Rooting: When you are rooting your device, you are basically forcing your stock version of android to allow you (the user) root access, therefore allowing you to bypass/allow signature verification for apps, now this could be anything from homebrew apps that you are making yourself...to the naughty pirated apps, and i dont encourage the latter. By giving yourself root access to your phone, your allowing the next to happen:
Flashing a Custom Recovery: Ok ill explain this as simple as i can...Mostly all if not ALL android phones have a stock recovery, this is a safeguard in case some kind of software fault happened in the phone(stock software fault or what have you). Flashing a custom recovery would be your next step after Rooting a device (IF) you want to go further than apps, meaning Kernels, Roms etc. Now the reason you must Root your device in order to install a custom recovery, is because like explained above signature verification....Now this is when you begin to tread in warranty territory, once flashing a custom recovery...your warranty has become VOID, however what the custom recovery allows you to do is a multitude of things, but the most major is Flashing .ZIP files, which most roms are in the form of, now not only Roms are in ZIP files, so are kernels,mods,baseband firmwares, etc, with that being said, different phones/devices use different methods of flashing roms, lets say for example you somehow screwed something up on a samsung really bad, and it wont boot, however, you can still get into download mode...then you're safe, because samsung uses Odin to flash the entire phone back to stock meaning Recovery/aBoot/Data/System and bring you right back, but if you hard brick it, theres only 3 ways out from that...and they all suck....number one, is call me and send it to me to Jtag it for you ..but it takes long and its not that cheap, #2, Desolder the chip (whichever it is on the device that has caused the problem) and replace it...and thats not an easy task at all, ive done it once to an S3 successfully, after that i never wanted to do it again, and this was back when they were really expensive, and lastly....#3.....and this one is the worse....go buy a new one SO BE CAREFUL!
ROMS: So now that we have a custom recovery, a rom is basically a heavily modified version of Android! and let me tell ya, i love them...i love so many of them, there are sooo many different things that you can do with roms, but the most desired from what ive gathered, is so people can remove the bloatware that comes with their phone when they buy it from the carrier/manufacturer. Thats not all tho, there is way too much to get into, but some roms allow you to Overclock your phones CPU/GPU, and change the Behaviors of the phones hardware, and the major component in roms that allows that is the Kernel.
Kernel: Now dont totally quote me here, im still learning kernels, but a kernel is basically the binary software in the phone, almost like a bios that when modified from stock, changes the behavior of the MOST of the hardware, not all. Now i could be wrong and anyone please feel free to correct me, now i do want to give you a shot of my own advice here...if you dont know what you are doing, kernels are dangerous to a noobie..before i started messing with roms and kernels, i tried to get the best understanding i could, and ill be honest with you, i blew up a couple S3's doing so. but im still learning. so if you're unweary or still not educated enough in the hobby to get too it, please read more up on it, because as none of these guys here that are devs nor people like myself that are trying to help intend to destroy your device on you, so please be careful for your own device's safety, and to save yourself money and a broken heart.
Knox: Ok now correct me if im wrong here, because im still learning as this is new to me, i only saw it on the MJA bootloader on the S4 on Jellybean from Sprint when they first OTA'd it, but knox looks to be Samsungs pathetic try of not lettings us Access the devices binary software, like an encryption, or to only let us access and modify certain things, also samsung has added a flash counter, which will tell them how many times you have flashed a new rom, however there are ways around these things, google and the search bar are you best friends to start, and we can help too.
I Hope this helped and shed some light on some information, and please if anyone has anything to add or to correct me if im wrong anywhere please do so ^_^
P.S. To be totally honest, theres always a way to restore your device and even get the flash counter back to 0 again and put everything back to normal, if an experienced tech looks at it and puts it in download mode unless all is restored, hell be able to see everything, but honestly, if you pay off the phone, you havve nothing to worry about, but then again, i dont care much for warranties, so it all depends on how savvy with fixing problems when they go wrong, but if you ever need i can help you, im pretty experienced when it comes to everything but developing atm, i was a microelectronics major in college, so my expertise is mainly in hardware i.e. if you hard/soft brick the devvice i can usually get it out of that.
please excuse my typing, i type extremely fast, and i have a mechanical keyboard and i think some lettings are startings to give way such as the V key.
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Naturesretard said:
I guess I shouldn't bother with safestrap then. Was planning on trying to pay off the note 3 and keep it anyway instead of jumping again this year.
Either way it won't matter...until I do eventually get a new handset but even then I know enough about rooting I shouldn't need to repair this one once paid off and detached from my account.
my next question is then should I TWRP or cwm? I tried CWM for the first time since gingerbread on my s3 and fell in love with it
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Oh and please i Highly suggest using Philz Touch!
Code:
http://goo.im/devs/philz_touch/CWM_Advanced_Edition/hltetmo
Thats for the HLTETMO version, which is our versions in this forum, all credit to phil ofcourse, it is basically CWM, but so much more user friendly and advanced with much more options, there are two files there, you obviously want the latest version, and there are two ways to do it, if you download the tar.md5 you must use Odin, and put your phone in download/odin mode, very easily done (turn it off unplug usb and press Home+Vol Dwn+Pwr) then once the screen pops up press Vol Up and then plug the USB in, and follow the instructions of w/e tutorial you are ready, but be very careful in odin mode, if you disturb the phone while its flashing you will most likely brick it, and the .zip is considering you already have a custom recovery and you can just flash it through there.
MasterSe7en said:
Hey Nature! just wanted to add my 0.02, ok theres a difference between rooting, and a difference between flashing recoveries,kernels,roms,and what have you.
ill give a brief explanation in the differences. The Colors of the titles indicate how safe/dangerous it is to modify one of these things and wether it will void your warranty, Green=Wont void your warranty, and easily reversible. Orange=Void Warranty, Reversible, But starting to get Dangerous, Red=Definitely VVoids Warranty, and if screwed up, could ruin/brick your devvice Definitely Voids Warranty, and if screwed up, could ruin/brick your devvice
Rooting: When you are rooting your device, you are basically forcing your stock version of android to allow you (the user) root access, therefore allowing you to bypass/allow signature verification for apps, now this could be anything from homebrew apps that you are making yourself...to the naughty pirated apps, and i dont encourage the latter. By giving yourself root access to your phone, your allowing the next to happen:
Flashing a Custom Recovery: Ok ill explain this as simple as i can...Mostly all if not ALL android phones have a stock recovery, this is a safeguard in case some kind of software fault happened in the phone(stock software fault or what have you). Flashing a custom recovery would be your next step after Rooting a device (IF) you want to go further than apps, meaning Kernels, Roms etc. Now the reason you must Root your device in order to install a custom recovery, is because like explained above signature verification....Now this is when you begin to tread in warranty territory, once flashing a custom recovery...your warranty has become VOID, however what the custom recovery allows you to do is a multitude of things, but the most major is Flashing .ZIP files, which most roms are in the form of, now not only Roms are in ZIP files, so are kernels,mods,baseband firmwares, etc, with that being said, different phones/devices use different methods of flashing roms, lets say for example you somehow screwed something up on a samsung really bad, and it wont boot, however, you can still get into download mode...then you're safe, because samsung uses Odin to flash the entire phone back to stock meaning Recovery/aBoot/Data/System and bring you right back, but if you hard brick it, theres only 3 ways out from that...and they all suck....number one, is call me and send it to me to Jtag it for you ..but it takes long and its not that cheap, #2, Desolder the chip (whichever it is on the device that has caused the problem) and replace it...and thats not an easy task at all, ive done it once to an S3 successfully, after that i never wanted to do it again, and this was back when they were really expensive, and lastly....#3.....and this one is the worse....go buy a new one SO BE CAREFUL!
ROMS: So now that we have a custom recovery, a rom is basically a heavily modified version of Android! and let me tell ya, i love them...i love so many of them, there are sooo many different things that you can do with roms, but the most desired from what ive gathered, is so people can remove the bloatware that comes with their phone when they buy it from the carrier/manufacturer. Thats not all tho, there is way too much to get into, but some roms allow you to Overclock your phones CPU/GPU, and change the Behaviors of the phones hardware, and the major component in roms that allows that is the Kernel.
Kernel: Now dont totally quote me here, im still learning kernels, but a kernel is basically the binary software in the phone, almost like a bios that when modified from stock, changes the behavior of the MOST of the hardware, not all. Now i could be wrong and anyone please feel free to correct me, now i do want to give you a shot of my own advice here...if you dont know what you are doing, kernels are dangerous to a noobie..before i started messing with roms and kernels, i tried to get the best understanding i could, and ill be honest with you, i blew up a couple S3's doing so. but im still learning. so if you're unweary or still not educated enough in the hobby to get too it, please read more up on it, because as none of these guys here that are devs nor people like myself that are trying to help intend to destroy your device on you, so please be careful for your own device's safety, and to save yourself money and a broken heart.
Knox: Ok now correct me if im wrong here, because im still learning as this is new to me, i only saw it on the MJA bootloader on the S4 on Jellybean from Sprint when they first OTA'd it, but knox looks to be Samsungs pathetic try of not lettings us Access the devices binary software, like an encryption, or to only let us access and modify certain things, also samsung has added a flash counter, which will tell them how many times you have flashed a new rom, however there are ways around these things, google and the search bar are you best friends to start, and we can help too.
I Hope this helped and shed some light on some information, and please if anyone has anything to add or to correct me if im wrong anywhere please do so ^_^
P.S. To be totally honest, theres always a way to restore your device and even get the flash counter back to 0 again and put everything back to normal, if an experienced tech looks at it and puts it in download mode unless all is restored, hell be able to see everything, but honestly, if you pay off the phone, you havve nothing to worry about, but then again, i dont care much for warranties, so it all depends on how savvy with fixing problems when they go wrong, but if you ever need i can help you, im pretty experienced when it comes to everything but developing atm, i was a microelectronics major in college, so my expertise is mainly in hardware i.e. if you hard/soft brick the devvice i can usually get it out of that.
please excuse my typing, i type extremely fast, and i have a mechanical keyboard and i think some lettings are startings to give way such as the V key.
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Oh and please i Highly suggest using Philz Touch!
Code:
http://goo.im/devs/philz_touch/CWM_Advanced_Edition/hltetmo
Thats for the HLTETMO version, which is our versions in this forum, all credit to phil ofcourse, it is basically CWM, but so much more user friendly and advanced with much more options, there are two files there, you obviously want the latest version, and there are two ways to do it, if you download the tar.md5 you must use Odin, and put your phone in download/odin mode, very easily done (turn it off unplug usb and press Home+Vol Dwn+Pwr) then once the screen pops up press Vol Up and then plug the USB in, and follow the instructions of w/e tutorial you are ready, but be very careful in odin mode, if you disturb the phone while its flashing you will most likely brick it, and the .zip is considering you already have a custom recovery and you can just flash it through there.
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Ty for the explanation. Unfortunately, that is if you took the time to write that or just copied, I knew most if not all of the risks. As I said earlier I've been rooting since gingerbread.
However, it's quite informative and anybody else who is new to rooting shall find it helpful.
Kernels are more or less a bios, if you will. But they are specific to builds. You can't use aosp on tw and vice versa. There are other key features but I can't remember off the top of my head. Basically no kernel =/= no phone or no features such as camera.
You're right about the s4, but if I'm not mistaken it was believed to be an eFuse, as was for the note 3 too. Although other members have said they got it back reset, 0x0, and sim unlocks intact to fix other issues like broken gps. Therefore it is believed to be software at a signature level.
And I'll look into philz, loved it on the s3. If you ever have q's about root feel free to pm me
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He's not wrong. There are a couple different methods of rooting that don't require a custom recovery, therefore don't trip Knox.
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Wow... must have read that post wrong. Been working way too much. Sorry about that but looks like we have some great info added here.
Naturesretard said:
Ty for the explanation. Unfortunately, that is if you took the time to write that or just copied, I knew most if not all of the risks. As I said earlier I've been rooting since gingerbread.
However, it's quite informative and anybody else who is new to rooting shall find it helpful.
Kernels are more or less a bios, if you will. But they are specific to builds. You can't use aosp on tw and vice versa. There are other key features but I can't remember off the top of my head. Basically no kernel =/= no phone or no features such as camera.
You're right about the s4, but if I'm not mistaken it was believed to be an eFuse, as was for the note 3 too. Although other members have said they got it back reset, 0x0, and sim unlocks intact to fix other issues like broken gps. Therefore it is believed to be software at a signature level.
And I'll look into philz, loved it on the s3. If you ever have q's about root feel free to pm me
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ahh nate, i misunderstood, i thought you were new to rooting but just knew some of the basics, but were unclear of some others, but yeh, i typed that all up, no copy and paste here otherwise i would've credited the Author ^_^ but i hope it was Helpful, im sure its plastered and posted evverywhere around here, but maybe ill make a Write up somewhere to clarify things, because when i was learning, everything was scattered and i had to collect all the information.
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ahh nate, i misunderstood, i thought you were new to rooting but just knew some of the basics, but were unclear of some others, but yeh, i typed that all up, no copy and paste here otherwise i would've credited the Author ^_^ but i hope it was Helpful, im sure its plastered and posted evverywhere around here, but maybe ill make a Write up somewhere to clarify things, because when i was learning, everything was scattered and i had to collect all the information.
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You Be Surprised How Often that happens. I'd sticky if I could
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Naturesretard said:
You Be Surprised How Often that happens. I'd sticky if I could
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Hey Nate! **WAVE**
lol well i posted a new thread on it, so i hope it helps the newer guys and it'd be nice if it was stickied, like i said tho, its plastered everywhere around here and on google even, but its nice to try to help my Fellow note 3'ers