Newbie here (go easy) lol OK basically I rooted via the HTC Bootloader website and other tools. Now What can I do with it basically? It is still got the S-ON Lock (which I guess is bad) I know it's unlocked to any sim but I understand my phone needs to be S-OFF to achieve real benefits?
when your phones rooted, it just means you have superuser access.
so your able to install custom roms (as you can see the list of diffrent roms) meaning you can install the latest build of android os. then you can install overclocked kernals (making your phone run faster or smoother). with other phones such as my nexus one iv install ubuntu (a linux operating system)
theirs so many diffrent things you can do on a rooted phone
S-ON S-OFF thing what does that mean? As I said My phone is still at S-ON Which I guess is not good
Your phone stay S-off like all people who unlock their phone on htcdev. But you can root and flash rom and kernel... There's always few thinks you can't do, but so usefully or necessary... AFAIK.
EDIT: sorry, would mean S-on
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I still know that I having some memory issues (internal) so that I need to look at but slowly getting there. Done the main thing which is vital
john_semple said:
S-ON S-OFF thing what does that mean? As I said My phone is still at S-ON Which I guess is not good
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S-ON means that the "Security is ON" aka that your phone is "locked",
from htcdev.com:
Your device is shipped with Security on (S-ON) to protect your system
software configuration (such as the bootloader, radio, boot, recovery, system and others). After you have unlocked the bootloader, however, you will have lifted the restrictions on boot, recovery and system. This means you can customize boot, recovery and system images on your phone as you desire. You can easily see that you have successfully unlocked the bootloader by looking at the top of the screen when entering the bootloader screen. Security is left on to protect things like the radio, and SIM lock.
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You can set your phone to S-OFF by using Bootloader or some other methods
EDIT: I didnt see Shywim's post, i needed few min to post this. xD
S-ON = Security On
S-OFF = Security Off
When S-OFF you have access to the /system partition
You can do a sdcard partition for your internal memory... There is a howto in the cm7 troubleshooting topic in the dev section
( i use it and I'm s on like you)
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KillAHead said:
S-ON means that the "Security is ON" aka that your phone is "locked",
from htcdev.com:
You can set your phone to S-OFF by using Bootloader or some other methods
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Hi, you make me confused, if mob is s-on , you can make it s-off only trough xclip.
However you can unlock bootloader and root. as said in the link you gave.
If iam misstaken, please say so.
Start browsing:
[INDEX] roms/recovery/guides/kernel/root/...
But be careful if you're a noob. The Wildfire S makes a great, inexpensive Android but an awfully expensive brick.
CafeKampuchia said:
Start browsing:
[INDEX] roms/recovery/guides/kernel/root/...
But be careful if you're a noob. The Wildfire S makes a great, inexpensive Android but an awfully expensive brick.
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Took me a while to get this replacement Wildfire back as it was due to a major hassle with HTC in the first place I just need to get my memory issues sorted and I sure i'm good
Went out and bought a 16GB Micro SDHD Memory card from ebay with an adapter included. When that comes i'll have fun (as I think I got a rough idea what rom I putting on to the phone) Prey to god it actually works!
There's lots of conflicting info on this thread..
Rooted means superuser access, think of it as administration rights on your mobile. You can install more powerful apps to your phone linked link2sd. You also gain write access to the system directories of the phone, and can delete system apps.
S-off means your bootloader is unlocked. This is required to flash custom rom's onto the device.
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jwchips said:
There's lots of conflicting info on this thread..
Rooted means superuser access, think of it as administration rights on your mobile. You can install more powerful apps to your phone linked link2sd. You also gain write access to the system directories of the phone, and can delete system apps.
S-off means your bootloader is unlocked. This is required to flash custom rom's onto the device.
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That's not correct, S-OFF does not stand for unlocked bootloader.
And you don't need S-OFF for flashing custom ROMs.
jwchips said:
There's lots of conflicting info on this thread..
Rooted means superuser access, think of it as administration rights on your mobile. You can install more powerful apps to your phone linked link2sd. You also gain write access to the system directories of the phone, and can delete system apps.
S-off means your bootloader is unlocked. This is required to flash custom rom's onto the device.
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There is a lot of conflicting info on this thread.
S-OFF means EVERYTHING is unlocked including your bootloader. It is complete access to all areas of the phone, also allowing you to flash any RUU ROM you want and many other things.
HTCDev Unlock - Unlocks your bootloader only allowing you to flash custom recoveries, ROMs, and root your phone. It has limitations though.
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As now we can unlock Wildfire S Bootloader I tried some ways to permanently root this device.
Gingerbreak seems not to work, however, Zerg rush does.
You either need an S-OFF device OR an S-ON device with unlocked bootloader
Read here how to unlock bootloader: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=21114312
There is a VERY EASY way to root WFS now. I take no credits in writing any stuff related to rooting that, I just want to show how you can easily root the WFS and give newbies a first station to come to.
Please come here, and download HTC Supertools by frigid, give him a million thanks, download tools and run the supertools.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1426276
Be sure to use HTC Supertool v3 (directly download here: http://www.multiupload.com/ZNGJ64FZDW)
1) Press 1 (Prep (using zergRush CREDITS to Revolutionary)) and Enter, zerg rush is now run
2) Press 3 (Attempt Perm Root (Must prep first)) and Enter, now the device will get rooted
3) type reboot and Enter to reboot your device.
Afterwards your WFS will be permanently rooted.
If you stuck rooting the device try this:
1) Press 2 and Enter, instead of 1
2) Press 3 (Attempt Perm Root (Must prep first)) and Enter, now the device will get rooted
3) type reboot and Enter to reboot your device.
I tested it with European latest Stock Rom 2.3.5 and HTC-Dev unlocked bootloader. I can confirm that a file could be copied to /system, then I rebooted again and the file was still there.
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eoghan2t7 created a fine auto-installer for ClockWorkMod, your door into recovery and custom roms !
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1431969
Isn't 2 attempt root and number 3 attempt s-off,sim unlock?
EDIT: I still have v2 and I see now that v3 is out.
1 and 2 are different ways to prepare the phone getting rooted.
3 does root the phone
4 is Attempt S-OFF, SIM Unlock, and everything else (Using gfree) but I did NOT test this menu entry, however, it would not work I think.
Yes,I see now.I had v2 and in v3 it is different.
Thanks.
will this work with wildfire s GSM T-Mobile. after root can I install rommanager and flash with clock works recovery? thanks much
raven.warsong said:
will this work with wildfire s GSM T-Mobile. after root can I install rommanager and flash with clock works recovery? thanks much
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It works with all S-OFFed phones and with all htc-dev bootloader unlocked phones. So either S-OFF with XTC-Clip or unlock bootloader at htc-dev.com.
However, there seems to be a problem unlocking US T-Mobile Roms bc there is no RUU yet to update hboot.
If rom manager works I don't know. I just tested permanent rooting
The unlocked bootloader method to root WFS
Th method given by HTC to unlock bootloaders does not allow a user to flash a custom ROM. So I guess S-OFF is still required. I have been testing it myself from past 8 hours now. If there is any other method then please do let me know.
nikhilkaushik said:
Th method given by HTC to unlock bootloaders does not allow a user to flash a custom ROM. So I guess S-OFF is still required. I have been testing it myself from past 8 hours now. If there is any other method then please do let me know.
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What methods are you trying?
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nikhilkaushik said:
Th method given by HTC to unlock bootloaders does not allow a user to flash a custom ROM. So I guess S-OFF is still required. I have been testing it myself from past 8 hours now. If there is any other method then please do let me know.
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It does allow custom roms. I read from a user he installed cm7 with s-on.
allowing custom roms is the sense of bootloader unlocking
Well, I have tried th direct flashing method by placing the file into the root of SD card and the Manager method. Both seem to show the same output, an image showing nothing but error note.
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It does allow custom roms. I read from a user he installed cm7 with s-on.
allowing custom roms is the sense of bootloader unlocking
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@theq86 I have been trying the same from past several hours, but I don't seem to find any positive hope.... I would be really thankful if u can help me in finding that methos using which one can flash a custom ROM with S-ON on WFS
well, sorry for asking but:
you surely did the bootloader unlocking process until the end, and your hboot says "UNLOCKED"?
For flashing roms please better refer to eoghan for I have not much experience.
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have you tried flashing via fastboot, too?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=21104317&postcount=76
Well, rather than following any other methods given, I preferred to follow HTC's given method to unlock bootloader. I have seen it thoroughly and yes I hav access to root as well. Some root required apps are also running. But the main reason to unlock the bootloader was to overclock my phone's processor, which could not be done on the stock ROM of HTC. Hence I tried to flash CM7.0.2 and jikantaru's ROM as well, which he claimed to have made the stock ROM with sense allowed the overclocking.
If you still can find a better way to flash ROMs with S-ON, then we all would be greatfull to that user....
I updated main post, there is a link to the developers section. eoghan has made an easy installer for CWM, so that would make it very easy to install CM
theq86 said:
It works with all S-OFFed phones and with all htc-dev bootloader unlocked phones. So either S-OFF with XTC-Clip or unlock bootloader at htc-dev.com.
However, there seems to be a problem unlocking US T-Mobile Roms bc there is no RUU yet to update hboot.
If rom manager works I don't know. I just tested permanent rooting
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Tmobile probally wont support it, upgrade to Euro rom its better anyway, shouldn't make any difference since you'll probaly be flashing a custom rom soon.
theq86 said:
As now we can unlock Wildfire S Bootloader I tried some ways to permanently root this device.
Gingerbreak seems not to work, however, Zerg rush does.
You either need an S-OFF device OR an S-ON device with unlocked bootloader
Read here how to unlock bootloader: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=21114312
There is a VERY EASY way to root WFS now. I take no credits in writing any stuff related to rooting that, I just want to show how you can easily root the WFS and give newbies a first station to come to.
Please come here, and download HTC Supertools by frigid, give him a million thanks, download tools and run the supertools.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1426276
Be sure to use HTC Supertool v3 (directly download here: http://www.multiupload.com/ZNGJ64FZDW)
1) Press 1 (Prep (using zergRush CREDITS to Revolutionary)) and Enter, zerg rush is now run
2) Press 3 (Attempt Perm Root (Must prep first)) and Enter, now the device will get rooted
3) type reboot and Enter to reboot your device.
Afterwards your WFS will be permanently rooted.
I tested it with European latest Stock Rom 2.3.5 and HTC-Dev unlocked bootloader. I can confirm that a file could be copied to /system, then I rebooted again and the file was still there.
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What next?
eoghan2t7 created a fine auto-installer for ClockWorkMod, your door into recovery and custom roms !
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1431969
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The step 2 (press 3 and enter), how long it done??? I've waited for 15 mi...
it just took a few secs.
This said that it rooted my phone but my phone is still s-on...?
Yes. With unlocked bootloader the /system, /recovery and /boot partitions have been unlocked. Yet, this is not FULL S-OFF. We still can't flash radios.
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This said that it rooted my phone but my phone is still s-on...?
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yop, thats correct! there is still no method to s-off. BUT, thanks to htc-dev we can open bootloader and root!
at the end of ROOTED wildfire S
Hello,
I would like to root a friend's HTC Wildfire and custom Rom it, which in the old days required deactivating S-ON feature but now people say it is no longer needed.
For my personal knowledge, how is this possible. I mean as I understand it, s-on restricts us /system to write permissions only, so how can you install ROMs which need to modify the /system when installing, or how can you obtain root since the "su" binary also needs to be placed into the system partition.
Thanks.
goguvarra said:
Hello,
I would like to root a friend's HTC Wildfire and custom Rom it, which in the old days required deactivating S-ON feature but now people say it is no longer needed.
For my personal knowledge, how is this possible. I mean as I understand it, s-on restricts us /system to write permissions only, so how can you install ROMs which need to modify the /system when installing, or how can you obtain root since the "su" binary also needs to be placed into the system partition.
Thanks.
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What happened was that under the gnu(?) License that android runs on is open source, and as such it is illegal to make copys of it that are locked down, as that breaks the license laws agreed by using the software. So by law htc were required to provide unlocked bootloader. This is true of every android manufacture. Htc were not very pleased when people started pulling them up on it so after much pressure they started to offer "htcdev". This is a bootloader unlock program that allows certain parts of the phone to be Accessed and edited. But this is not full s-off. The bootloader and radio still remain locked down, but the recovery, system, data and cache are "unlocked" so you can flash custom recovery, root, roms, all the stuff most people want to use. The problem starts when people want to start flashing kernels and boot.IMG edits. The boot partition with htcdev unlock does not play nice, so people have had to create ways around the issues. For example the "htc dumlock" and "smart flash for 4ext recovery"
These hacks Allow custom boot.imgs to be flashed with the htcdev unlocked bootloader.
As far as the buzz (wildfire) is concerned people have always just used s-off via revolutionary since it came out, and before that unrevoked. These came before htcdev and as such not many users here will ever use htcdev. For this device s-off is both preferable and attainable thanks to the hard work of others but for devices that don't have such luxurys htcdev will have to do
Tapped out from my sexy nexus 7
Hello, im a newby to smartphones and i wanted to ask what a couple of terms mean.
1. What does Rooted mean because i hear it all the time here in this forum.
2. Why is a phone needed to be Rooted?
3. What does S-OFF mean?
zoranb said:
Hello, im a newby to smartphones and i wanted to ask what a couple of terms mean.
1. What does Rooted mean because i hear it all the time here in this forum.
2. Why is a phone needed to be Rooted?
3. What does S-OFF mean?
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1: Rooted means you have full access permissions to the device. Think of it like the administrator account on Windows- a regular user can do some things, but only an administrator can make major modifcations to the device.
2: With a rooted device, one can run apps that make deep changes to the way Android functions, like adblockers or backup tools. Also, one can even put a different version of Android on the phone. These custom versions of Android are called "custom ROMs".
3. On HTC devices, even a rooted phone does not allow access to certain very deep system areas if the phone is in S-On mode. Setting the phone to S-Off removes these restrictions. It is not typically necessary to do this, but if you frequently "flash" (install) custom ROMs it may make your life easier. You also must be S-Off if you want to change the cell radio firmware (which is not reccomended unless you have a good reason to do so).
Are there any downsides to S-Off the phone?
zoranb said:
Are there any downsides to S-Off the phone?
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No not at all.
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zoranb said:
Are there any downsides to S-Off the phone?
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Yes there are since now you can falsh a radio and if you flash the incorrect one, you'll end up with a bricked phone... It just gives you more permissions and by doing so, more way to screw up your system...
Personally, I was S-OFF and everything has been very easy for me because with the extra premisions you get from S-OFF you can flash anything directly from the phone without the need of your PC and ADB making flashing new ROMs and kernels a breze
If there is http://www.htcdev.com/bootloader, doesn't that mean every device after 2011 has an unlockable bootloader?
I know something is wrong because devs in this forum are working for a 4.4.4 bootloader unlock solution. What's the situation then? Does the htcdev tool only work for certain devices/models?
Just a sidenote, I own a s4, so forgive me if this is a dumb question.
I think you are referring to s-off?
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badboy47 said:
I think you are referring to s-off?
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yes, sorry, I read a bit more and I really mean s-off. What are the advantages of this? I'm just confused why developers are hacking htc to gain access to s-off or whatever if the bootloader can already be unlocked via the htc dev website. In the s4 forums, only a unlocked bootloader is necessary for a custom recovery and roms.
Raymondlikesroot said:
yes, sorry, I read a bit more and I really mean s-off. What are the advantages of this? I'm just confused why developers are hacking htc to gain access to s-off or whatever if the bootloader can already be unlocked via the htc dev website. In the s4 forums, only a unlocked bootloader is necessary for a custom recovery and roms.
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There are many advantages of being s-off; depends on what you want to do with your phone. For starter there is a great blog detailing what is s-off and what it does.
First you must know that this concept is applied especially on HTC’s Android featured smartphones, being like a carrier restriction over your phone’s internal system. This restriction is keeping you away from changing the main settings, or from customizing, optimizing and improving the operating system that runs on your device. That’s why if you have a phone which has S turned On you will not be able to root it, or to do other stuffs with its system. The main problem is that most of the smartphones are being delivered with S-On, so you will have to change this aspect afterwards Continue reading...
That guide you linked to is a bit misleading, at least as far as current HTC devices are concerned. You may want to consider reading the first post of the link below, instead. You can obviously root & flash a custom ROM to a device that's S-on, but there are obvious limitations that don't exist once a device is S-off. I've had 4 different HTC devices over the years and I was able to root and flash a custom ROM to all of them while still S-on.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1680928
OP, I also suggest reading my bootloader guide for the M8. It's specific for Sprint as far as software and firmware information goes, but the general info is universal at least as far as the M8 is concerned. That guide can be found in the second link in my sig.
Apologies in advance for being dumb.....
I'm currently on an S4. Things are simple. I root. I install TWRP recovery. I flash whatever ROM I want. I flash back to full stock if I want to. Real easy.
I've been considering the HTC One M9, and reading up for a couple weeks now. I'm confused about some things....hoping someone can help clear things up.
First off, FYI - I'm Verizon.
I just read a page that explained the difference between root, unlocked bootloader, and s-off:
http://www.pocketables.com/2012/08/the-difference-between-root-s-offon-lockedunlocked-bootloader-in-the-htc-evo-series.html
I should clarify the *typical* reasons I don't stay stock with my S4 and previous phones:
Handful of apps I use that need root.
Benefiting from various things that custom ROMs give me - debloat, etc.
Hotspot
Now let's see if I can ask my questions correctly:
Can the HTC One M9 be rooted without unlocked bootloader and/or s-off? If for example I just wanted to be able to run apps that require root.
Unlocked bootloader - This is where I get confused with s-off. I know I can't use HTCDEV. And the folks that are shipping their phones to people with the special cards are looking to get s-off it seems. Can someone clarify if there will likely be a software method to unlock bootloader (without necessarily chasing after s-off)?
s-off: Given the reasons stated above that I typically don't stay stock, do I care about s-off? It sounds like with an unlocked bootloader I can do custom recovery and ROMs, and s-off just allows me to access additional stuff I wouldn't typically want to mess with...is this correct?
In all 3 scenarios above, is there the ability to return phone to full stock?
I'm due for an upgrade, and wanna get the phone, but worried I won't be able to do what I want with it, or be in a situation where I can't get a repair/replacement if something ever happens to it.
Thank you so much in advance for any insight someone can provide....
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First off, FYI - I'm Verizon.
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Verizon does not allow the M9 to be unlocked. In order to do anything with that device, you will need to purchase a java card or find someone with one.
Go to the Verizon M9 forum for more information.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/verizon-one-m9
You might want to check other Verizon phones, but I highly doubt that the M9 is the only phone that verizon prevents from being unlocked. So you might be in the same boat no matter which device you choose.
jollywhitefoot said:
Verizon does not allow the M9 to be unlocked. In order to do anything with that device, you will need to purchase a java card or find someone with one.
Go to the Verizon M9 forum for more information.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/verizon-one-m9
You might want to check other Verizon phones, but I highly doubt that the M9 is the only phone that verizon prevents from being unlocked. So you might be in the same boat no matter which device you choose.
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Oops! Can a mod by chance move this to the Verizon specific forum? I thought that's where I was...
Bootloader boots the os.
Root gives special permissions to allow changes to root but certain parts of the device are locked (modem, radio etc).
S-off (secure off) gives full access to root and partitions. Allows permanent changes to modem, radio etc.
Non of these are needed by the average user and this point is made clear when said average user doesn't understand and cannot get their head around it.
Htc is not like samsung. Samsung openly support flashing devices by not locking the bootloader in the first place but on the flip side samsung roms are blatanly the fastest for their devices over custom roms.
Sent from a stolen HTC M9
shivadow said:
Bootloader boots the os.
Root gives special permissions to allow changes to root but certain parts of the device are locked (modem, radio etc).
S-off (secure off) gives full access to root and partitions. Allows permanent changes to modem, radio etc.
Non of these are needed by the average user and this point is made clear when said average user doesn't understand and cannot get their head around it.
Htc is not like samsung. Samsung openly support flashing devices by not locking the bootloader in the first place but on the flip side samsung roms are blatanly the fastest for their devices over custom roms.
Sent from a stolen HTC M9
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So my apologies in advance if I'm sounding like an idiot here....as with Verizon's announcement I'm now rushed to possibly purchase this phone at discounted rate.
I know with s-off I need to send it off to a friend of these forums with a donation. But I don't think I need s-off (not sure I need to flash radio and whatnot)...as I just want root and ability to flash custom recovery and a custom ROM. Can I do those things without having s-off (my reading tells me no, but want to be sure)? Or can root be acquired and ability for custom recovery without s-off? Or is there somewhere I can read that answers these questions in details?
And is there an ability to return to stock if I run into problems?
Sorry if these questions are redundant to my previous questions or prevailing answers provided.
Thanks for any info.
crackface said:
So my apologies in advance if I'm sounding like an idiot here....as with Verizon's announcement I'm now rushed to possibly purchase this phone at discounted rate.
I know with s-off I need to send it off to a friend of these forums with a donation. But I don't think I need s-off (not sure I need to flash radio and whatnot)...as I just want root and ability to flash custom recovery and a custom ROM. Can I do those things without having s-off (my reading tells me no, but want to be sure)? Or can root be acquired and ability for custom recovery without s-off? Or is there somewhere I can read that answers these questions in details?
And is there an ability to return to stock if I run into problems?
Sorry if these questions are redundant to my previous questions or prevailing answers provided.
Thanks for any info.
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Your only choice is s-off. You cannot unlock your bootloader via HTC dev as Verizon blocks us. So the only way to do what you want is s-off. When I s-off someone's phone I also unlock the bootloader manually and flash twrp and supersu.
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dottat said:
Your only choice is s-off. You cannot unlock your bootloader via HTC dev as Verizon blocks us. So the only way to do what you want is s-off. When I s-off someone's phone I also unlock the bootloader manually and flash twrp and supersu.
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I have Verizon M9 S-OFF, but I could not unlock bootloader. Plz tell me how could I unlock bootloader.