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Whats up with the storage?

Is there any reason that all leaks so far says that the phone only have 8GB Storage. Especially the HTC HD7, which is supposed to be HTCs state of the art Phone should have at least 16GB Storage from the beginning. 8GB isn't quite enough for someone with a lot of music and other media, and to say "but it has 25GB cloud storage!" isn't valid when talking about Music and media, scince the cloud isn't always there and can't be as responsive as a local storage.

Nobody knows anything for sure. Every leak was mentioning 8GB in all devices except an LG one, but whether that will be the only option or this is just the amount of storage in current pre-production devices or this is the capacity of storage cards that will be shipped (but can be somehow changed later) remains to be seen.

vangrieg said:
Nobody knows anything for sure. Every leak was mentioning 8GB in all devices except an LG one, but whether that will be the only option or this is just the amount of storage in current pre-production devices or this is the capacity of storage cards that will be shipped (but can be somehow changed later) remains to be seen.
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I hope they're all just held on by a latch under the battery...if not those OEMs that just made 8GB phones really messed up. But they're just Gen 1 phones anyway. Really hoping to see MS code the drivers for Hummingbird & Tegra chipsets.

If those cards are somehow accessible, that would indeed be great. Especially if SDXC is supported.
On the other hand, they can easily mess up, this won't be the first or the last time they do it.

I think that the reason we are seeing 8GB on all the leaks are because these are test devices.
Let's think about it, most of the device specs that have been leaked are using non-removable SD cards.
SD cards are relatively cheap, just plug it in and viola, you got 8, 16, or 32 GB. Knowing this, it seems likely that we'll see an OEM (such as HTC), release one device (such as HD3) with several different storage levels (8GB, 16GB, 32GB) simply because the cost of adding a higher storage card is negligible compared to using flash storage.

The reason for all these 8GB devices is because WP7 requires a minimum of 8GB built in storage for apps and media. Manufacturers can make it as high they want.

Sir. Haxalot said:
Is there any reason that all leaks so far says that the phone only have 8GB Storage. Especially the HTC HD7, which is supposed to be HTCs state of the art Phone should have at least 16GB Storage from the beginning. 8GB isn't quite enough for someone with a lot of music and other media, and to say "but it has 25GB cloud storage!" isn't valid when talking about Music and media, scince the cloud isn't always there and can't be as responsive as a local storage.
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Exactly one of the reasons why I don't want to buy WP7 when it comes out. I might go to Android for the time being.
All CPUs are qualcomm 8250, no tethering, 8gb storage, no expanision (had this been on the phones, it would have forgiven the 8gb internal storage). All though I LOVE how it is incorporated to XBL, I don't think that is enough to win me over. I'm on the fence here.

Yeah, that they're also using the QSD8250 sucks. On the other hand, I don't think that Android will be faster with QSD8650A than a WP7 with the QSD8250. Part because Android is kinda slow so the extra CPU power will probably be consumed and games and Apps in Android is developed to fit with slower devices (and devices without 2.2)
Tethering is confirmed from what I've heard, but it's up to the carrier to decide if it should be enabled.
My biggest worries is still the 8GB memory (and lack of important APIs), but hopefully it's only because of the testing devices all leaks report 8GB.

Ideally, I would love have any WP7 with a SD Slot so I can go and buy a 32gb to potentially replace my 30gb 1st gen Zune, since it's built in then use whatever is onboard for phone use. As of right now, I'm still rocking a day 1 G1 with the stock 1gb inside, so anything right now will be considered an upgrade. I do have a feeling that the "leaked" specs may just test units or even a Euro specific version and the US version may differ....but then again that would be in a perfect world. Only time will tell with the "official release".

YannieBoy said:
Ideally, I would love have any WP7 with a SD Slot so I can go and buy a 32gb to potentially replace my 30gb 1st gen Zune, since it's built in then use whatever is onboard for phone use. As of right now, I'm still rocking a day 1 G1 with the stock 1gb inside, so anything right now will be considered an upgrade. I do have a feeling that the "leaked" specs may just test units or even a Euro specific version and the US version may differ....but then again that would be in a perfect world. Only time will tell with the "official release".
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How the hell does Your G1 have 1g of internal storage?
After this post, The XDA app probably forced closed from my froyo lacking Vibrant

Alex530 said:
How the hell does Your G1 have 1g of internal storage?
After this post, The XDA app probably forced closed from my froyo lacking Vibrant
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Not internal....SD Card. Hell, 1gb internal would be amazing. I dont use many apps but it sure would help out.

[Q] G2 internal memory only registers 1.36gig on titanium backup

I just sold my Vibrant and purchased this G2 so far so good, when I went to back up my Rom before I attempt to over clock my phone, I seen it only said: back up 1.36gb, I read on-line that some of the newer G2's, are being shipped with 2gb internal memory vs the 4gb by mistake, I wanted to know if anyone else has had this problem, and how can I verify that 4gigs is installed vs 2gigs?.

So where is the missing 2GB?
To answer this, it is first necessary to understand a bit about how internal flash cards, such as the Sandisk card (also known as an "emmc") on the HTC Vision, store information.
Luckily, Sandisk has provided a helpful video. Pay particular attention to the discussion of SLC (single-level cell) and MLC (multi-level cell) in Chapter 5.
In an SLC configuration, a single bit is packed into each memory cell. In a multi-level cell, you can fit 2, 3, 4 or more bits in each cell. You get a lot of capacity with more bits per cell, but at the expense of speed and reliability.
In trying to figure out where the missing 2gb went, scotty2 noticed that most of the Sandisk card's block device (that is, the part with Android on it) had been partitioned within the regular "User Data Area" as an "Enhanced User Data Area".
Note that when we talk about partitioning the emmc, we're not talking about regular MBR partitions like /dev/whatever. An emmc partition is a very low-level partition of the flash. Each emmc partition constitutes a full block device, which can then be further partitioned into a bootloader, /system, /data, etc.
The card's datasheet wasn't too clear about what the "Enhanced User Data Area" did that was so different from the regular User Data Area, although one thing was clear-- once its parameters was set, you couldn't "un-set" it. To quote the datasheet, the Enhanced User Data Area "can be programmed only once during the device life-cycle (one-time programmable)."
But why was the entire Sandisk partitioned in this special "Enhanced" User Data area? No one knew.
Then tmzt found this. It's an article by Toshiba that suggests what's going on:
Those areas requiring better reliability are SLC or can be programmed as SLC. . . the Enhanced User Data Area, which may store, for example, system log files, are SLC. The User Data Area, which may store music, pictures, videos and other files is MLC. . . Each 1 bit configured as SLC results in 2 bits less of MLC. Theoretically an 8GB e-MMC device (densities are defined in MLC terms), could be configured virtually all as SLC and thus would be approximately 4GB. In most cases, it is more likely that the majority of the memory would be configured as MLC to support higher density.
You've probably figured out by now what's likely happened here. Assuming the Sandisk emmc works like Toshiba's, the 4GB flash has probably been, save for a few tiny partitions such as the radio, irreversibly configured to use SLC, rather than MLC. If so, the benefit is faster performance and perhaps greater stability (and more read/write cycles). But its capacity/density would be cut in half.
And that, my friends, may very well be where your 2GB has gone.
[edit] So To Conclude...
Assuming the above is a correct understanding of the issue, the following appears to be the case:
The HTC vision has a 4GB firmware card
It has been irreversibly partitioned to use a faster/more reliable configuration called SLC
This has resulted in a practical capacity/density of ~2GB
Update: Initial investigations from over a month ago reported that T-Mobile attributed this issue to "creative partitioning": ("I called into T-Mobile Android support and was assured this number is correct, and that I do have the full 4GB storage on-board... there's just some "creative partitioning" going on.") This may correlate with the explanation provided above.

T-Mobile lied. The phone has a physical 4 GB memory chip, but it's setup by the factory to only present 2 GB to Android. You can't change it.

I also called htc support and they assured me that it has 4gb internal memory, went to the t mobile store looked at the working demo model same deal, weird
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My phone has 2 gigs.

Sk17z0 said:
My phone has 2 gigs.
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I'd like to see a screenshot of that.

This is my G2...no 4GB, but dont really care when I am getting a 16GB SDCard. Still interesting to say the least

That has been gone over a thousand times. The phones do have 4GB chips. One XDA user even went as far as taking his G2 apart to and getting photographic evidence of said chip. the problem lies in the code. and the operating system not being able to see the other 2GBs yes it sucks. But T-Mobile is a giant corporation and they say you like the G2 you LOVE IT end of story lol. everyone is a bit peeved, me included, I would like to have the 2-3GBs free but whats done is done. Will just have to wait 2 years and see what phones are available when my next upgrade rolls around

I just got off the phone with t-mobile, they said that they will honor the 4gb stated in the specs and offered to replace my cell phone. But considering all the phones I looked at (three so far) its a lost cause cause they all say the same amount of internal memory available, so not really sure if I should accept the replacement.
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The reps with whom you spoke know nothing about the phone. All phones have a 4gb chip but only 2gb is accessible. Read the second post in this thread, it explains everything. T-Mobile will keep sending you phones with 4gb chips, and you will only see 2gb. The only way you'll have 4gb available is if the entire chip is MLC or send you an 8gb SLC.

The stuff in the second post is from the Wiki. Read this section on "The Missing 2 GB" (same info as the second posting, but with better formatting) :
http://forum.xda-developers.com/wiki/index.php?title=HTC_Vision#The_Missing_2GB

Inspire 4G Internal 4GB?!?!

Hey guys, I just got a new Inspire 4G AT&T Branded and Debranded it and flashed ARHD6.1.1 and everything is super smooth and good.. I got one question. what is the meaning of 4GB internal memory if u only get 1.1GB after flashing a software? I have googled a bit and couldnt find a good answer. even 4EXT recovery doesnt show 4GB in system.... is it a scam? plz i need help

4G total, but system uses most, so that's why only 1.1 available to use. I for one wish they would just state what is usable. I don't care about the amount I can't use.

the Internal 4gb that AT&T refers to is actually the 4gb class 4 micro sd that comes pre installed in the phone when you purchase it..... the phone itself is the same as your run of the mill Desire HD's (including the telus ones) but with a different audio codec, and the housing has an at&t symbol on the back rather than "HTC".
in actuality, its only 1.5gb of space on the phone which is all the system apps to be installed on, and other apps you install off the market. (That 1.1gb you see is the data partition on that 1.5gb of solid state space)

Thanks guys for the info, but it came with 8GB card and i believe it has a second microphone close to the Camera, which i didnt have on my DHD. Also some people says the other 3GBs are used by system for speed purpose like L2/L3 cache, but its just a theory and i m not good at these stuff, thx anyway

[Q] 2Gb Vs 3Gb RAM

Hey!
Would like to know if it is noticeble the difference between the LG G3 the version of 3Gb of RAM from the 2Gb of RAM.
Any one have tested or know?
Thanks.

G3 uses 1.5 gb of ram at all times, so if you get the 2 gb version itll always be pretty close to the ceiling

nohcho said:
G3 uses 1.5 gb of ram at all times, so if you get the 2 gb version itll always be pretty close to the ceiling
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'One' of the main reasons I got the G3 was that it has 3GB ram. Most modern phones are pretty similar in terms of speed but memory makes a big difference. You can get by with 2gb but 3GB is much better and makes it much more future proof.

If you are using dual window for all apps through the little mod, you are less likely to have issues with running low on memory.
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Currently it doesn't really matter - Android 4.4 requires only 512 MB.
The reason why a device with much RAM shows a high RAM usage is that Android considers empty/unused RAM to be wasted. As long as there is RAM available it will fill it with apps. It doesn't require additional battery power to keep a currently unused app in the RAM, it even saves power (and time) at the app's next usage because instead of loading the app it just needs to shove it to the front.
There is a defined amount of RAM that is kept empty for instantaneous usage, but everything else will get filled - provided that there are enough apps to fill it with. Android's memory management keeps track of your app usage. Apps that are used regularly get a high priority, seldom used apps a low one. If the system runs out of memory it will close low priority apps, beginning with those that haven't been used for the longest amount of time.
The only difference between 2 GB and 3 GB is that more seldom used apps can be held in the RAM. Under normal circumstances you shouldn't be able to tell the difference between 2 GB and 3 GB. About half of the devices shipped with KitKat still only have 1 GB.
Android L will probably require 1 GB - and with the 64bit support it might even result in devices with more than 4 GB of RAM. But that will be just for marketing, not because there is a technical need. Same as now with the 3 GB devices.
But I have to admit: I am a sucker for specs as well. I think about buying a G3 and since the surcharge for the 32 GB flash and the 3 GB RAM is only about 10% if will most likely go for the bigger one. I try to hide being suckered with the argument that 32 GB of flash are a lot better than 16 GB. - RAM? There is a difference in RAM sizes?

Question Available memory

Good morning to everyone
I looked at the memory and found that the indications of the mobile compared to the AIDA64 are different. I attach pictures below. Which of the two is correct?

AIDA is correct because an 8GB isnt 8GB, its less than 8GB
for example when you get a 64gb usb, it isnt 64gb is 50 something

I believe you are seeing the ram being used by operating system

You shouldn't really care what is being reported as long as the model you have is the model you paid for.
7.XXXMB = 8gb depending on the app that is reporting.