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hey guys any news about official 2.3 coming on defy ???
thanx in advanced
i dont think they will release an official 2.3 to defy...defy+ will be launched very soon...which comes with GB..
AFAIK they are busy with the 2.3 Defy-upgrade, so it may come.
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AFAIK they are busy with the 2.3 Defy-upgrade, so it may come.
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where did u get that news ? ofcourse its on air news flying here and there that gingerbread update is on d way . bt no concrete news regarding it . so asking in a way is there any proof regarding that ?
The presently available gingerbread updates(leaked) are for defy plus..
If they were going to offer an official update for defy it would have supported GREEN LENS cameras as well because they can't just abandon green lens defy.
Since green lens is not supported it looks like official 2.3 will be made available only for defy plus.
Short answer: Never
But i think on red lens devices, the defy+ rom will work smoothly
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Short answer: Never
But i think on red lens devices, the defy+ rom will work smoothly
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ah !! too pessimistic... atleast have some hope !! better than having nothing in your hand ... and to be frank . if GB update rumor wasnt around on air . we wd have never got the GB leaks so who knows the green lens owners might be lucky enough
Motorola said it on official forum,there isn't any plan to update the Defy beyond FroYo.
Install Motoginger and be happy.
Install Motoginger and be happy.
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Motorola said it on official forum,there isn't any plan to update the Defy beyond FroYo.
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Well, HTC said some crap like that about the Desire not getting 2.3 - they changed their mind a little bit later.
I'll wait until it appears here what will happen to the Defy regarding the elusive Gingerbread update.
i hope that`s true...i`m using custom roms now but will be nice to have official ginger on defy...maybe the devs will make wonders from it
Who cares if bootloader gets hacked and CM7.1 is there.
I care, because the Defy with green lens will be fully supported. Nevertheless, CM7 is a great option too.
Hi seniors,
I'm new to this forum. Just joined! I was a silent visitor to this forum since a long time. I didn't want to wait anymore. So, here I am!!
Guys, I badly need your suggestion to buy an Android smartphone. I love Motorola defy a lot, it falls under my budget and has a very good practical usability. However, I'm impressed with the LG Optimus Black P970 as well! I like the screen size, design and brightness of LG. Both devices have more or less same specs under the hood. I can overclock the defy to get 1GHz on par with LG.
So, what do I expect?
1. Budget under 20K (Indian Rupees)
2. Large screen
3. Decent hardware for fluid android experience
4. Nice cam for taking snaps and recording videos (720p preferred)
5. Good call quality and sound quality for music listening
6. Nice build for durability
7. Software update
8. Web browsing, navigation, emailing, document reading/editing, mobile presentation, and ip cams surveillance
9. Want to keep this phone for at least 3 years! (because I'm poor! )
10. Decent battery life
I'm a web application developer based in Bangalore, India. I'm planning to develop enterprise mobile applications for my customers. So, I need a good device to test and demo the applications to customers.
Please don't suggest me Samsung Galaxies or Waves or Aces. I don't know why but I hate them. May be the design I think.
The choice is between Defy and LG Optimus Black.
Please give your unbiased suggestions.
Thanks in advance
Defy Vs Lg optimus black
i think u better to go with lg optimus black
optimus black looks nice..specs are almost same..op black has 4 inch screen, 720p,official 2.3 and it looks nice also..rest all specs are same..but dere is 4k difference btw defy and optimus black..think!!
1. Budget under 20K (Indian Rupees)
Defy is cheaper
2. Large screen
Screen larger and brighter on LG (but the phone is bigger than Defy)
3. Decent hardware for fluid android experience
No much differences
4. Nice cam for taking snaps and recording videos (720p preferred)
LG can record 720p, Defy cannot
5. Good call quality and sound quality for music listening
Defy has better sound quality
6. Nice build for durability
No doubts, Defy wins here
7. Software update
Ouch, Motorola is a snail, LG is better
8. Web browsing, navigation, emailing, document reading/editing, mobile presentation, and ip cams surveillance
Nice for both devices
9. Want to keep this phone for at least 3 years! (because I'm poor! )
Absolutely Defy, it should be something like life-proof
10. Decent battery life
Defy should be slighty better
Personally, i like my Defy because it is a compact device with a big screen, no space wasted on the front side! Then it's dust/water resistant, performaces are not bad.
However, the hardware counterpart in the LG Optimus Black should be a bit better and, of course, the NOVA display too. Another thing you may want to consider (unlike the Defy) the LG has a frontal camera, 2mp (wow).
Now, i can't tell you what's the best for you, let us know what is your choice
I would also keep in mind the bad quality control issues on the defy, I know someone who bought 4 for his business about 3 months ago...all have to go in for the earpiece fault. Mine has been in for it, though I got mine before the production line issue was discovered.
Everyone I know with one has bad battery life on the stock Telstra Australian rom.
I got scratches on my screen in 3 days.
I get reboots quite often no matter what rom I have - I think it is q loose battery, I have jammed some paper in the case which seems to be working.
I have cracks on the bolts from dropping it numerous times- it is quite durable, but not as much as they make out.
I live the design and many aspects of the phone compared to my HTC desire , but I wouldn't buy or recommend a Motorola again.
Still, don't know if I would trust LG build quality either....
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optimus black looks nice..specs are almost same..op black has 4 inch screen, 720p,official 2.3 and it looks nice also..rest all specs are same..but dere is 4k difference btw defy and optimus black..think!!
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4k difference... that's what made me confused. Is it worth paying the extra 4k just for nova display, 4 inch screen, 2mp front cam, 720p recording out of the box and guaranteed official upgrade to gingerbread?
4. Nice cam for taking snaps and recording videos (720p preferred)
LG can record 720p, Defy cannot
Correction Defy can record 720p if you are lucky to get a red lense (Bayer). Check it with the retailer where you (if you go for the Defy) buy one. It does
not record 720p out of the box thats true you must do some tweaks by yourself if you are up for it. I can record 720p at 24fps on my red (bayer) lensed defy very well, allso on the stock camera app thx to walter ;-P.
2nd i would go for the optimus better support/upgrades then Moto will ever give you. But to pay allot more for the support.....
P.S. because of the price and durability and allready done experience with modding a motorola phone i chose the Defy.
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4. Nice cam for taking snaps and recording videos (720p preferred)
LG can record 720p, Defy cannot
Correction Defy can record 720p if you are lucky to get a red lense (Bayer). Check it with the retailer where you (if you go for the Defy) buy one. It does
not record 720p out of the box thats true you must do some tweaks by yourself if you are up for it. I can record 720p at 24fps on my red (bayer) lensed defy very well, allso on the stock camera app thx to walter ;-P.
2nd i would go for the optimus better support/upgrades then Moto will ever give you. But to pay allot more for the support.....
P.S. because of the price and durability and allready done experience with modding a motorola phone i chose the Defy.
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Here in Bangalore, we get defy with red lens only (June manufactured) I'm too not scared to tweak the phone to bring out the full potential of the phone. What did you do to get 720p on defy? Do I need to flash custom roms to get that?
Please point me to the relevant post so that I can learn myself.
I am in Bombay and I got Defy with Green lens. It was manufactured in July 2011.
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I am in Bombay and I got Defy with Green lens. It was manufactured in July 2011.
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I'm not sure about July manufactured devices... When I last checked, it had red lens so that I thought we would get defy manufactured post June with red lens ... Sad, it seems that I have to be lucky to get one with red lens, if I want to go for defy...
Just used the Catlog method to find out about my lens .... woopie its Bayer!!!
so green+Bayer means I can use 720p recording on the ginger leaked rom right?
its just been around 5 days since I got it. Am already feelign the urge to root and install Wiui or CM7. Also for some reason.... after installing a few apps.. my phone has become slow....
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4k difference... that's what made me confused. Is it worth paying the extra 4k just for nova display, 4 inch screen, 2mp front cam, 720p recording out of the box and guaranteed official upgrade to gingerbread?
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well 18.5k is not much.i bought my defy for 17.2k two months ago..anyways optimus black looks fine..nice specs...although defy has its own advantages..
if u dont want to install any patch or something then optimus black is good..it has 720p recording..front cam and LG updates dere android mobiles regularly..even 2.3 update is available..
i think u should go for lg optimus black..
hmm...or defy ..
i like my defy..looks awesome and also very good support in this forum..one of the most active forum(moto defy) in xda..
With a 5k price difference, I would definitely go for a Defy.
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Just used the Catlog method to find out about my lens .... woopie its Bayer!!!
so green+Bayer means I can use 720p recording on the ginger leaked rom right?
its just been around 5 days since I got it. Am already feelign the urge to root and install Wiui or CM7. Also for some reason.... after installing a few apps.. my phone has become slow....
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If it is bayer and you want 720p video recording do not install CM7 as i have read in the CM7 forums it does not support 720p. Then i would suggest to install a nandroid and fixed sbf for a 2.3.4 original ROM.
(I myself recommend do not flash a full SBF but use a nandroid and a fixed SBF maybe others have a different opinion)
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If it is bayer and you want 720p video recording do not install CM7 as i have read in the CM7 forums it does not support 720p. Then i would suggest to install a nandroid and fixed sbf for a 2.3.4 original ROM.
(I myself recommend do not flash a full SBF but use a nandroid and a fixed SBF maybe others have a different opinion)
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Ok, I am also interested in the Motoginger 2.3.4 ROm which is based on the leaked defy+ rom....
and I am going to do it the Nandroid + SBF way
one question: I am on stock 2.2.2 Froyo from Moto. MY phone came pre installed with the bug free SEA version. Got it a few days ago.
My question is to install a custom rom like 2.3.4, do I still have to do a Nandroid + fixed SBF flash or just fixed SBF? since Ialready have 2.2.2 installed.
that si my only doubt before I get started. Want to keep my downgradablillty.
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well 18.5k is not much.i bought my defy for 17.2k two months ago..anyways optimus black looks fine..nice specs...although defy has its own advantages..
if u dont want to install any patch or something then optimus black is good..it has 720p recording..front cam and LG updates dere android mobiles regularly..even 2.3 update is available..
i think u should go for lg optimus black..
hmm...or defy ..
i like my defy..looks awesome and also very good support in this forum..one of the most active forum(moto defy) in xda..
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defy is tempting me with the current price...
720p??? ok I can live without that... Software update??? this is very tricky part.. anyway, I have you the amazing guys who will help me out in trying custom roms.. won't you?
finally my choice is.....wait... is it possible for optimus black's price to come down? may be in 2-3 months?
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defy is tempting me with the current price...
720p??? ok I can live without that... Software update??? this is very tricky part.. anyway, I have you the amazing guys who will help me out in trying custom roms.. won't you?
finally my choice is.....wait... is it possible for optimus black's price to come down? may be in 2-3 months?
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In jakarta, LG is cheaper than Defy, Rp 3.5M vs Rp 3.8 M. But I bought defy because its compact design
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defy is tempting me with the current price...
720p??? ok I can live without that... Software update??? this is very tricky part.. anyway, I have you the amazing guys who will help me out in trying custom roms.. won't you?
finally my choice is.....wait... is it possible for optimus black's price to come down? may be in 2-3 months?
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yes..optimus black price will come down within a month according to a LG sales manager..but again..bottom line is u have to wait for a month or maybe 2!!
and within a month or 2 many more models will launch and again u will get confused.. new xperia series will be out this weekend..new mini pro, neo and all..so u may again get confused..so decide now only.
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yes..optimus black price will come down within a month according to a LG sales manager..but again..bottom line is u have to wait for a month or maybe 2!!
and within a month or 2 many more models will launch and again u will get confused.. new xperia series will be out this weekend..new mini pro, neo and all..so u may again get confused..so decide now only.
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Well.... decided to go with defy for its ruggedness and practical things... My wify too loves defy than lg!
I don't know whether i'll get red lens or green... let's see...
I'm going to order my defy through letsbuy.com... with discount coupon, CTP (cost to pocket! ) is INR 14,399 (Jabra bluetooth headset free)
I'm thinking to get 16 GB Transcend class 4 micro SD card also for INR 1180. Will it work with defy without any problems?
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Just used the Catlog method to find out about my lens .... woopie its Bayer!!!
so green+Bayer means I can use 720p recording on the ginger leaked rom right?
its just been around 5 days since I got it. Am already feelign the urge to root and install Wiui or CM7. Also for some reason.... after installing a few apps.. my phone has become slow....
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How did you did it?? Because I would also like to now if i have a Bayer or a SOC Cam.
EDIT: I got it LibSOCJordanCamera
I want to buy a defy but after the green /red lens situation.i am not sure about the future of green lens defy ? i don't want Good camera or 720p recording but will developers make further roms for defy as defy+ has been launched ?. I think that developers will make future rom's by taking defy+ in mind which have red lens.so chances are that further roms will get less and less comaptible with defy with green lens.Can developers give any detail on this that the defy+ will make no effect on the green len's defy owners and they will get developers always best services even in the future? So that i will have no problem in getting wonderful defy even with green lens or whatever
Buy defy+ instead...
I think new Defys come with Bayer modules so ur good to go...
Fortunate to own a Red Lens Defy...
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defy+ roms are defy roms with excluded soc modules. so theyre not that different. and cyanogenmod (imho the absolutely best rom available) supports defy (but not the defy+). so you should be fine buying a defy, i have one, had no problems with it so far (we will definitely get ics with cm9). and from what ive heard/read, the defy+ wont even get official ics, so youre screwed with stock roms either way. get the defy, its significantly cheaper!
BUT if defy is not good enough, consider nexus s, its around the same price as the defy+, and: bigger screen, better gpu, greater dev community, widely supported, and cmon, its a GOOGLE phone, not a crappy motorola -.-
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one more question i have heard bayer defy were mde between feb to july...so if i am fortunate to get a red lens defy now it will be 8 months old ...so should i buy a red lens defy which was manufactured 8 months before or a green lens defy which is made recently like 1 month old
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one more question i have heard bayer defy were mde between feb to july...so if i am fortunate to get a red lens defy now it will be 8 months old ...so should i buy a red lens defy which was manufactured 8 months before or a green lens defy which is made recently like 1 month old
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I guess green lens is the old one and red one is new...
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i dont think you can buy a new red lensed one, only with green lens (the ones with red lens are called defy+ now, thats the whole point, thats why they dont sell red lensed defys anymore).
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defy+ roms are defy roms with excluded soc modules. so theyre not that different. and cyanogenmod (imho the absolutely best rom available) supports defy (but not the defy+). so you should be fine buying a defy, i have one, had no problems with it so far (we will definitely get ics with cm9). and from what ive heard/read, the defy+ wont even get official ics, so youre screwed with stock roms either way. get the defy, its significantly cheaper!
BUT if defy is not good enough, consider nexus s, its around the same price as the defy+, and: bigger screen, better gpu, greater dev community, widely supported, and cmon, its a GOOGLE phone, not a crappy motorola -.-
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CM7 does support defy+ BTW
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i dont think you can buy a new red lensed one, only with green lens (the ones with red lens are called defy+ now, thats the whole point, thats why they dont sell red lensed defys anymore).
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Some latest Defys have red lenses, but they're rare, and i guess no longer in production seen as Defy+ came out
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BUT if defy is not good enough, consider nexus s, its around the same price as the defy+, and: bigger screen, better gpu, greater dev community, widely supported, and cmon, its a GOOGLE phone, not a crappy motorola -.-
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I second this..get a Nexus instead. Just before you start building castles in the air by hoping for regular software updates from Motorola, just go visit their official support forum. There they have declared that there won't be any further software updates for the Defy and thats not just because of the green lens/SOC module issue but also because with GB Defy will come in direct competition with the Defy+. This is one of the many of Motorola's sleazy sales policies and they just don't give a rats ass about existing customers, period. You will be surprised how many petition posts are there on that forum from customers pleading for software updates. They just ignore those posts. And if you are thinking that perhaps getting a Defy+ instead of a Defy will mark the beginning of a beautiful friendship with the company, you are mistaken there too. Same thing will happen to the Defy+ with the release of Defy++ or Defy# or whatever.
I'll admit that the Defy is a good phone in terms of flexibility like rooting etc. because of its 'unbrickableness' due to the locked bootloader, but in terms of official updates its a nightmare. If your decision to go for the Defy was due to its ruggedness features then you could also consider the Xperia Active.
there are some options better than the defy... like nexus S
but the green leans (soc module) is the old module, new defys are coming with red lens (bayer module)..
Want thsese features only.....
i dont care about updates i will b happy with eclair or custom roms.i want following features on defy:
1.great touch sensitivity no lag
2.great resoluion.i must be happy looking at a great looking display screen
3.internet shoud work like magic no lag
if only these features are there i will not care about updates. Plz tell me does defy runs great on my above features?
The cyanogen team will be rolling updates for both soc/bayer
Defy. So keeping it updated shouldn't be a problem.
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i dont care about updates i will b happy with eclair or custom roms.i want following features on defy:
1.great touch sensitivity no lag
2.great resoluion.i must be happy looking at a great looking display screen
3.internet shoud work like magic no lag
if only these features are there i will not care about updates. Plz tell me does defy runs great on my above features?
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you will care about updates when everyone around you will use ICS (android 4.0), and youre still on 2.1. nexus s already has official ICS, defy will never have it (and defy+ wont either afaik). nexus s has better cpu and much better gpu, so you wont have any lag, thats for sure. you wont see the difference between the two displays (the defy has a slightly higher resolution screen, but thats not that big of a difference), and the nexus has bigger sceen. internet works like magic on both phones. and one more thing: the nexus s has a built in nfc chip, the defy doesnt. cheers!
Motorola defy earpiece problem fixed or not!!!!
Does the earpiece problem still exists in motorola defy or it has been fixed ?
Disable motorola defy capactive buttons vibration android froyo....
Hi, can anybody tell me how to disable the capacitive buttons vibration on motorola defy?i have unchecked the heptic feedback but problem still lives. I am using android 2.2.2 .Plz provide some suggestions as the vibration is very annoying
pankajkainthla said:
i dont care about updates i will b happy with eclair or custom roms.i want following features on defy:
1.great touch sensitivity no lag
2.great resoluion.i must be happy looking at a great looking display screen
3.internet shoud work like magic no lag
if only these features are there i will not care about updates. Plz tell me does defy runs great on my above features?
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I have a green lens Defy so let me help answer ur question.
1. Yes no lag, on CM7 and GO launcher
2. Yes awesome resolution for its size, I havent a problem with it.
3. Internet works fine, 3G/HSDPA is fast, wifi not a problem...though some on nightlys wifi can be a problem. <---need some tweaking
So all in all, yes Defy is a great phone for your requirement with an added bonus of being more robust than others.
Though your requirements fits many other phones out there
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Does the earpiece problem still exists in motorola defy or it has been fixed ?
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It still exists on the majority of Defys :/
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Hi, can anybody tell me how to disable the capacitive buttons vibration on motorola defy?
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https://market.android.com/details?id=com.cynyx.vibrafix works for me.
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It still exists on the majority of Defys :/
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Not according to Motorola. The official advice on the Motorola support forum for the Defy is as follows:
If you remove the battery you should see a label inside the battery compartment with a bar code and the words "Made in China". If the characters above "Made in China" include "BTxx" or "BFxx" then the phone should not be at risk of suffering the earpiece problem. Alternatively, if there is a blue dot on the label then the phone should also not be at risk.
So if your phone has "BTxx" or "BFxx", or a blue dot, then it doesn't have the fault. Bear in mind that there can be other reasons for the earpiece to fail, over and above the known fault which Motorola have acknowleged, so even a phone not in the "at risk" batch can still go wrong for other reasons eg mistreatment, or a one-off manufacturing error. Conversely, if your phone is in one of the suspect batches then it's not necessarily bound to break: my phone does not have any of the reassuring markings but the earpiece has been fine so far, touch wood.
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BUT if defy is not good enough, consider nexus s, its around the same price as the defy+, and: bigger screen, better gpu, greater dev community, widely supported, and cmon, its a GOOGLE phone, not a crappy motorola -.-
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well its not true that Nexus is around the same price as Defy+ ... f.e. amazon.de Nexus S - 296,66 EUR, Defy 228,90 EUR, Defy+ 237,89 EUR. If you want simmilar to Nexus S price, I would prefer SE Arc S. But diff between Defy+ and normal is too small, that I suggest to buy the newer stuff. And support is in the future - as Google said, that all devices with stock Gingerbread should get ICS too. We will see.
untill now i still can decide my defy got green or red lens even after read a thread about it
any other step that can i try?
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defy+ roms are defy roms with excluded soc modules. so theyre not that different. and cyanogenmod (imho the absolutely best rom available) supports defy (but not the defy+). so you should be fine buying a defy, i have one, had no problems with it so far (we will definitely get ics with cm9). and from what ive heard/read, the defy+ wont even get official ics, so youre screwed with stock roms either way. get the defy, its significantly cheaper!
BUT if defy is not good enough, consider nexus s, its around the same price as the defy+, and: bigger screen, better gpu, greater dev community, widely supported, and cmon, its a GOOGLE phone, not a crappy motorola -.-
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From Nexus to DEFY - I think DEFY can be defined as a phone against NEXUS
I am a proud user of LG Optimus one which s a fabulous phone due to dev support here @ XDA. I am thinking of buying DEFY. I have few questions.
1. Will Defy be a upgrade from LG optimus one?
2. I heard of earpiece failing problems. Is it prominent?
3. I am an audiophile . So i need an in ear earphones for Defy. Is ther any?
4. How s the dev support for defy. Does defy support well known roms such as oxygen, cm and MIUI?
5. I heard defy suffers because of locked bootloader? Is it curtail the development for this mobile?
6. Does defy have any other problems?
Thanks guyz. Awaiting response.
1) defy is definitely an upgrade from optimus one. It has much better hardware.
2) earpiece problem existed in the earlier models. Now they have fixed it.
3) the earphones (not in ear) provided with the phone is decent. If you don't like them maybe buy a senheiser.
4) dev support is really good. We have official cm and MIUI. Both are very stable.
5) we have had amazing development even with the locked bootloader. Devs have found workarounds but we can't boot custom kernels and this does limit the potential of this device.
6) if you buy a new defy now you will probably get one with green lens. It doesn't support 720p recording and has other incompatibility issues with defy with red lens. Although if you buy a defy+ you will get red lens and official ics update and still use the dev roms for defy.
I bet u there are better phones than defy out there...
Defy is now old!!
I don't say its a bad phone but Motorola sucks!!
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get one ^^
Moto Moto [so good you say it twice]
overall is a great phone and the build quality is the best IMO as it go water resistance and scratch resistance...
If I look at it now, I would have bought a used nexus s. But defy is cheaper and I find it quite good for the money. Especially with CM7.
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Defy is a good phone indeed but it's old now!
I think you should get some other phone and it's not the right moment to buy any motorola device since they're keeping on lying about bootloader matter.
I'm a proud 1 year Defy user looking to buy a Desire Z or something similar.
1. I cannot tell you more than the specs comparison would tell you. But if the screen is bigger than it is an upgrade (I wouldn't buy anything below 480*800
2. That was a problem of the first batches. By the time I bought mine (February 2011) it was already solved.
3. Any stereo headphone will work. I've tried 2 pairs of Apple, some Bose with mic from a Berry Torch, some Samsung that came with Galaxy S+. I use a pair of HeadDirect RE0 (without mic). If you're a big fan of good sound try RE0 or Phonak PFE221 or head over to head-fi.org for advice.
4./5. There are quite a few devs around here. Not too many, but very active. Sadly the locked bootloader keeps them behind (Desire Z already has AOSP ICS 4.0.3 for example). So giving the situation I can say that it is a very supported phone. So there is CM7.1, a few flavors of MIUI, a few modified originals and combinations.
6. At the moment I don't know of any major, wide spread problems.
I should also mention the green/red lens thingie:
Green: also called SoC, no 720p, common on Defy, drivers in 2.1 and 2.2 Moto ROMs
Red: also called Bayer, 720p capable, found on some Defy's and Defy+, drivers in 2.3 MotoROMs
LE: Hardware wise Defy is a great phone (one of the best price/quality) but the locked bootloader pisses me off. I am also looking forward to try a hardware querty.
I bought one of the first Defys released in the US (Nov 2010), Green lens and all. Have had zero issues that I could not sort myself. You might look at the Defy Plus as it has a faster processor and runs 2.3 out of the box (I believe). But, it does not have the t-mo 3G frequency.
I am a bit disappointed to have a phone from Motorola but Optimus one is just a crap if u compare it with defy.
Defy is at least 100 times better than optimus one in all aspect.
By Scott, pull the trigger...
I'm using the optima one titanium, and i would trade this any day for my defy back!!!
Ps.
Month old lg optimus p509 for sale/ trade, Motorola defy..
No scratches, pristine condition. Boxed with original gear, a well as two extra screen protectors, and the case i bought.
Original parts include ear buds, charge with cable as well as 4gb Sandisc micro card.
Phone still has first screen protector, and has never/ will never be overclocked!!!
Let me know
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Thanks guyz. Awaiting response.
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I guess you can answer this question asking yourself how much you have in the pocket.
For me, it's the best cost/benefit in the market, and I recomend it for everyone!
But if you can buy a brand new model with more 'skills' than the defy, go for it.
I recommend Defy, but HTC HD2 and NexusS also have great value...
IMHO, Defy and RAZR are the best quality made phones, take that as an advantage...
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I recommend Defy, but HTC HD2 and NexusS also have great value...
IMHO, Defy and RAZR are the best quality made phones, take that as an advantage...
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yeah but Nexus S build quality is not really as good as Defy's and honestly the back is just ugly (a bit better hardware though and Google support) Hd2 is a very good phone! Very good build quality, very good dev support (maybe the best) but Defy is Faster/Smooter (android native) and has better screen...
I heard that defy is old....yeah? Nexus S is as old as defy...hd2 is veeeery old but still a good phone... As long as you don't go for a dual core phone there's no need to change defy. Is as good as any single core phone on the market, no real/visible difference (performance wise)!
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1) defy is definitely an upgrade from optimus one. It has much better hardware...
...6) if you buy a new defy now you will probably get one with green lens. It doesn't support 720p recording and has other incompatibility issues with defy with red lens. Although if you buy a defy+ you will get red lens and official ics update and still use the dev roms for defy.
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Source on official ICS update? motorola page says it will stay on 2.3
Defy is Great!
Defy is good to go with!
1) It is wtr proof, scratch proof, dust proof.
2) Speed is amazing in CM7 mode.
3) ICS is almost ready only HWA and Camrecoder are left to be fixed. it might be completed within few days for more info visit this thread.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1432100
Yes,you can.
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Defy+/Defy GB Kernel. this should work with the regular defy with a bayer camera right?
defy is not bad
defy is not bad
Yes, It works.
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How does the Defy+ compare to Xperia Mini Pro and Ray phones. I want to recommend to my cousing sister.
We looked at Ace, Wildfire S, Xperia series, Ray, Galsxy SLCD (I have this one)
Defy+ seems to have good features at a fair price. Is the phone good?
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How does the Defy+ compare to Xperia Mini Pro and Ray phones. I want to recommend to my cousing sister.
We looked at Ace, Wildfire S, Xperia series, Ray, Galsxy SLCD (I have this one)
Defy+ seems to have good features at a fair price. Is the phone good?
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I think below the 20k range Defy plus is the best .. for the features and its cost..
It counts only if u are ready to root ur mobile ..
Because Motorola sucks in giving software updates and most probably it will remain in GB only ..
Apart from these ..its the best ..Life proof
My vote goes for DEFY+, too, because of the superior build quality.
Besides that, no official ICS update is a minus, but CM9 will be available soon enough. On the stock Gingerbread, DEFY+ does everything and opens everything. Really, everything works! That's why I loved it from the beginning.
Other than stock, there are some stable CM and MIUI versions available for it and they will improve the experience further, with good looks and better speed, you know how it goes...
One more huge plus is that "Lifeproof" feature It's true. (Read the short story in my signature )
Cheers!
@kanna91 and @niksy+, thanks for the replies.
My sis is not going to change ROMS, maybe I can do it for her once initially. I have experience with flashing my Galaxy SLCD, don;t know if this would be similar.
Which ROM is recommended?
I would advise you to try the latest stable CM7.1.0-11. That's what I use and it's stable for the average user. (no need for troubleshooting skills and such)
I cannot say anything about MIUI or similar.
I don't think your sister is a great gamer. The stock ROM is enough. Is not as speedy as Cm7 but it has less bugs. And the battery is better. I tried CM7 but I come back to my default ROM (in Romania 2.3.5 it the official one). Just root it, delete 7player, task manager, cardio trainer and zinio and install RAM manager from android marker. The free version has just balance profile but is enought. Is not a app killer because this drains bat but optimise the RAM usage (less lag). Believe me, it works. The developer is one of us, a XDA member.
For CM7, you should wait for the final version.
For a girl, Xperia Ray looks better than Defy. I asked my girlfriend and she told me that. For me, as a male, Defy looks better. Also, Ray will receive ICS update...official. But that's not very important for a girl: she will want a good looking phone, without functionality problems.
A girl, huh? My girlfriend likes my DEFY+, but wants a RAZR MAXX
Best ROMs I know about are MIUI Pikachu Edition and CM White Rabbit Edition. I'm getting 3 days battery life with Pikachu.
Anyway, I don't know, really... I don't like pointing people in the wrong direction :/ I've set up my phone real nice now, but it took a while and, like you said, your sister won't be up for that...
All I can say is that DEFY(+) is a really well built phone.
If I was going to buy an Android now, I would choose a phone with unlockable bootloader,
from a brand that could guarantee upgrade for at least Ice Cream Sandwich.
Get MIUI. Chicks dig it.
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Get MIUI. Chicks dig it.
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Yep, would be mu recommendation as well if you want to install a ROM (alone because of the beautiful UI.design). Although there are less ROMs for the Plus (compared to the og Defy) I think the Pikachu Edition should work fine, installing ROMs on the phone is super easy.
If possible, I'd go into a store and try these phones, look which suites her needs best.
It is a nice phone with a good price, not really sexy but reliable. Speed is acceptable, camera is ok. The screen is bigger than the one one the other phones you mentioned (except Galaxy S which is better overall imho).
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If I was going to buy an Android now, I would choose a phone with unlockable bootloader,
from a brand that could guarantee upgrade for at least Ice Cream Sandwich.
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That's the point: SE Xperia Ray has unlocked bootloader and official support from Cyanogen Mod too. Also, it will get ICS officially.
Defy+ is still not directed supported by XDA developers. If you install an MIUI should get the correct batt file for correct battery monitor. Pikacku edition have some stupid bugs like gallery cannot delete pictures.
My advice is to ask your sister what phone likes more (design and construction). Than purchase it. Purchasing any of them is all right. Both have vanilla roms, both are well designed and so on. Also, see that Sony Ericsson received 4 iF design awards.
I've tested a Ray before purchasing Defy+ but I preferred Defy+. Also, before it, I owned a Defy.