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Flashing ICS success and issues

Wanted to get a discussion going over a much debated and discussed topic....flashing ICS roms with ICS kernels. I want to know the forums specific attempts so we can better understand user errors versus software errors versus hardware errors.
I bring this up as I went from el29 to fc07 a while back and have been on ICS since. I am now on FC22 courtesy of agat63, which I flashed over calks fc18 v2 from. Before that I went from stock rooted fc15 to calks. This was all done using either rogue recovery fc07 or rogue recovery fc22 and using calks format all zip or modified format all zip.
Does it seem this was all "lucky"? I have a feeling many of these brick issues are due to people trying to flash between an AOSP type rom to another and/or using ROM Manager to do so. So lets hear it . . .
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wow, finally an official thread to discuss this rare issue......

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The bricking is related to (I think) data partitioning in the ics cwm recovery. If you wipe anything, something is most likely going to go wrong.
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The bricking is related to (I think) data partitioning in the ics cwm recovery. If you wipe anything, something is most likely going to go wrong.
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That's what I'm trying to boil down to....I have done bith wipes and zip formats, yet no issues....some methods or ROMS are leading into this so I'm hoping the brickers out there can give some feedback on exactly what was flashed and on what ROM, along with some success stories to try to figure out the issue.
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I dont mind firing up the Pc to run Odin, it justifies the 500+ I spent on it 4 months ago.

phatmanxxl said:
I dont mind firing up the Pc to run Odin, it justifies the 500+ I spent on it 4 months ago.
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Agree, love Odin. Just wanna stop the brick posts and hope we can formulate a solid practice on how to prevent it.
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dante32278 said:
Agree, love Odin. Just wanna stop the brick posts and hope we can formulate a solid practice on how to prevent it.
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Someone said once the source is released the risks should be minimal.

Also true....but with all the leaks going around and flashaholics it'd be good to have some guidelines til then, other than speculation. "I believe in science."
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Overstew said:
The bricking is related to (I think) data partitioning in the ics cwm recovery. If you wipe anything, something is most likely going to go wrong.
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In addition,
CM9/AOSP/AOKP seem to increase brick chances.
CMW Touch espicially with ROM Manager is espicially dangerous and should not be touched.

zonlicht said:
In addition,
CM9/AOSP/AOKP seem to increase brick chances.
CMW Touch espicially with ROM Manager is espicially dangerous and should not be touched.
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This is what I hear the most. Has anyone else had success with flashing stock ROMs via clockwork on a stock(ish) ICS ROM? By this I mean based off fc07/15/18/22 (calk/agat63/goodness) and not CM9/AOKP/etc...
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Guide for converting to MTD?

Is there a guide for converting a phone from RFS to MTD? My gf's device (Galaxy Prevail) has a pretty good build of cm7, however it's built over EXT4, which is ****. She loves the cm7 build but can only seem to use it for a few weeks before performance and stability comes to a hault, so I was wondering how difficult it would be to do this, or if it's even possible for her device, and where I could find a guide/further info on how I could attempt to get it accomplished. I know this isn't Epic related, but "their" devs are kinda morons, and I trust our dev community a lot more, so I'm asking here.
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I think you should head over to the epic channel, cm devs would help you with your problem.
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Cause they're f'kin awesome. I'll definitely go there and hit them up, thanks.
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If it is anything like our phone it will need a conversion script and a custom kernel to support the MTD partition. Might be hard to do without the Dev having the phone to work with.

Then I guess it's time for me to learn more.
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[Q] G/F Friendly Set-up

Hey guys, I got a Nexus a few months ago and passed the Epic to the g/f (which I regret). Anyway, I have AOKP 35.1 on it and she is having issues. Maybe I forgot some Epic flashing routes.
The phone has EI22 baseband and I am looking to find the best g/f friendly rom (one where I can flash for her and have zero problems).
What do you think is the safest set up?
*Its been a while since I flashed on the Epic. I am on EI22 and I see EL30 is the newest build for GB. Do I need to use odin to get that, or can I just flash on top of EI22?
**I see FC09, is that the newest official?

Try cm7 or the peoples rom. The peoples is TW based it really is a matter of taste. I have my wife on CM7 which she loves she hates TW.
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tazfanatic said:
Try cm7 or the peoples rom. The peoples is TW based it really is a matter of taste. I have my wife on CM7 which she loves she hates TW.
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She prefers TW, and I was thinking the Peoples Rom. Where i get lost is all of the MTD, BML stuff. I dont remember having all of those options before.
What is the process to go to the Peoples from where I am? AOKP with EI22... I think EXT4 (is there a way to check?)

Neckberg said:
She prefers TW, and I was thinking the Peoples Rom. Where i get lost is all of the MTD, BML stuff. I dont remember having all of those options before.
What is the process to go to the Peoples from where I am? AOKP with EI22... I think EXT4 (is there a way to check?)
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If you're on aokp you are on mtd... fc09 is the newest ota release... if she likes tw then clean gb el30 (she will be bugged by update message) or the peoples rom 2.2 (fc09) would be the best way to go...

Backup with Titanium Backup, download The People's ROM v2.2 MTD, wipe data, cache and Dalvik. Flash, choose to use or not use the Sprint Connections Optimizer, sign in to her Google account to sync contacts, restore her third party apps and only data she absolutely has to have...like Angry Birds high score or something...lol.
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kennyglass123 said:
Backup with Titanium Backup, download The People's ROM v2.2 MTD, wipe data, cache and Dalvik. Flash, choose to use or not use the Sprint Connections Optimizer, sign in to her Google account to sync contacts, restore her third party apps and only data she absolutely has to have...like Angry Birds high score or something...lol.
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You guys are awesome. I think that is why I miss the Epic. Thanks for the help, I will follow your instructions and get it rockin.

Stock
Seriously you have no idea what responsibility your taking on Keeping the phone rooted.
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I agree with UBER 100%. If you're okay with being lectured each time her phone freezes or needs updated... Go for it, but your better off having her be pissed at Sprint for her phone issues than you.
I've put my wife's Epic back to Stock and life has been better. Just looking out for my brothers on XDA.
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Stock
Seriously you have no idea what responsibility your taking on Keeping the phone rooted.
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What?!?! Lol... I have my wifes evo rooted, and that phone is WAY harder to maintain than this one... just put on clean gb... completely stable and she will have no problems... after flashing clean gb head over to general and grab the flashable build.prop update and you're good to go....

The People never have to worry about updates.
TPR 2.2!
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Stock
Seriously you have no idea what responsibility your taking on Keeping the phone rooted.
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CM7 and call it a day no maintenance needed. And my wife loves it she hates stock.

kennyglass123 said:
The People never have to worry about updates.
TPR 2.2!
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Lol I would've suggested that, but it seems some phones just don't get along with tpr very well... if it was for him I would've suggested that... but to minimalize possible issue for a g/f or wife... clean gb takes the cake...

flastnoles11 said:
Lol I would've suggested that, but it seems some phones just don't get along with tpr very well... if it was for him I would've suggested that... but to minimalize possible issue for a g/f or wife... clean gb takes the cake...
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So far all issues were resolved with clean installs, V 6 Supercharger or turning off the Optimizer because of bad 4G due to Sprint. 3000 downloads strong, seems pretty solid to me but I may be biased.
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kennyglass123 said:
So far all issues were resolved with clean installs, V 6 Supercharger or turning off the Optimizer because of bad 4G due to Sprint. 3000 downloads strong, seems pretty solid to me but I may be biased.
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Idk... I've never had not 1 problem... so not biased, truthful! I jusst didn't want him to put tpr on and then have to worry bout the supercharger and all that... but op, like I said, I have had not 1 problem with tpr, so if you'd rather her be on the latest, go with tpr cuz like kenny said,, all issues (if you even run into any) can be solved VERY easily....

Cm9 beta 3 with the touch wiz theme has been very good on my gfs phone
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ÜBER™ said:
Stock
Seriously you have no idea what responsibility your taking on Keeping the phone rooted.
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I fully endorse this statement for the reasons mentioned in this thread. Seriously, my gf and I almost broke up over her rooted phone.

shane6374 said:
I fully endorse this statement for the reasons mentioned in this thread. Seriously, my gf and I almost broke up over her rooted phone.
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Lol... no offense but if you almost broke up over a rooted phone the relationship musnt have been to great... my wifes phone is rooted and when something messes up she just asks me to fix it... if you don't mind fixing her phone all the time if she messes something up, you should be good to go (depending on if your girl blows things out of proportion or not)... no offense to anybody on any of this... if somebody loves you, they won't bite your head off for something going wrong with a phone!

flastnoles11 said:
Lol... no offense but if you almost broke up over a rooted phone the relationship musnt have been to great... my wifes phone is rooted and when something messes up she just asks me to fix it... if you don't mind fixing her phone all the time if she messes something up, you should be good to go (depending on if your girl blows things out of proportion or not)... no offense to anybody on any of this... if somebody loves you, they won't bite your head off for something going wrong with a phone!
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She just gets nasty over some stupid crap sometimes. Plus, she travels a lot so I don't get much chance to work on the phone. Anyway, that was a year ago.

My lady likes to run whatever I am on. I find this useful for troubleshooting. If I can't recreate an issue on both, it's not a real issue. I made her sit on stock unrooted for a few days last month when she got a replacement phone from dropping it, and she couldn't wait to get back on an ICS rom. She made it through the random reboots on gb leaks, so anything out these days is easy for her to handle. It really depends on the individual. My techy ways have rubbed off on her over the years lol. She is smart enough to use her ipod (i know...) on wifi with a free messaging app to ask for help in the few situations that confuse her. She's a looker, does laundry, is a great mother, works, and cooks extremely well too! Needless to say we are getting married this July. I'm not sure exactly why I waited 14 years to ask her when I say it like that lol.
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ÜBER™ said:
Stock
Seriously you have no idea what responsibility your taking on Keeping the phone rooted.
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I cant agree with this strongly enough, though I may not have gone as far as saying no root.
Just remember, ANYTHING that goes wrong will be your fault, even if it has nothing to do with the phone itself (ie: tower down for upgrade, facebook update breaks the app, etc)

E4GT CM9 questions...

Im just wondering.... is there going to be another cm9 release or is the alpha 6 version the last one? I've noticed that cm10 is getting updated, so have they moved on? I also tried checking the cm website and can't find the E4GT section. Ive been holding out on rooting and setting up cm9 for something past alpha stage but im getting tempted too much to load alpha 6 version.
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whitelight said:
Im just wondering.... is there going to be another cm9 release or is the alpha 6 version the last one? I've noticed that cm10 is getting updated, so have they moved on? I also tried checking the cm website and can't find the E4GT section. Ive been holding out on rooting and setting up cm9 for something past alpha stage but im getting tempted too much to load alpha 6 version.
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There have been many nightlies that blow alpha 6 away. Go to the CM9 thread in the original development section for details...
Edit. It is very stable now and well worth a daily driver. Hope this helps!
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I'd say its past alpha status. Pretty much an RC release, just haven't been officially merged into CM yet which chris41g has been working on. Like the guy above me said, very stable and a good DD.
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Thats music to my ears. Im going to look for it. Is it still using the, i believe, modified gb kernel or is it using a ics kernel? Being in stock ics (ff18), would it be a problem?
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whitelight said:
Thats music to my ears. Im going to look for it. Is it still using the, i believe, modified gb kernel or is it using a ics kernel? Being in stock ics (ff18), would it be a problem?
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CM9 never used a modified gingerbread kernel, we were flashing it with a gingerbread cwm repack to avoid the eMMC super brick bug.
Nightly 7-31 (which had no data due to a RIL change) was the last FF18 based kernel, initramfs was repacked with the startup scripts for AOSP etc. 7-17 Nightly was my favorite out of those.
Chris41G has had some source kernels out for awhile and starting with the 8/02 nightly they have been included. Early ones and the RC13 and older kernels had some problems with 4G and thanks to a ton of time Chris put into it the current ones shouldnt. Im runnin Chris's builds rather than the nightlies though.

So now there is no worries in the "super brick" thing?
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whitelight said:
So now there is no worries in the "super brick" thing?
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The brick is triggered by a function being called with a particular switch but it only happens when the kernel or program has been compiled against a particular library. Thats a basic and slightly outdated view on the problem more info can be found here - http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1644364
The Galaxy Note actually shipped with ICS and no work around and factory resetting was like playing russian roulette with the phone. The International is supposidly safe but based on the kernel source for FF18, our phone does not have a work around in place on FF18. The bug itself will never be fixed on our end. It requires flashing the eMMC firmware which can generally only be done by an eMMC partner.
Basically any time a partition is formatted without work arounds in place a bug in the eMMC controller could randomly corrupt storage at a very low level. These formats occur during Factory resets and when flashing a rom, etc.
Safe recoveries are worked around so that factory resetting and wiping partitions is safe. The danger still lies in scripts making the call, that as well has been worked around either blocking a certain call or replacing it. The final danger is zips, usually for roms with an unsafe Updater Binary. CM9 Alpha 5 for example does not have a safe updater binary, from what I know the stock roms don't either. There are recoveries setup to swap this element out to make flashing safe altogether. Can't tell you how common that is at this point I do not keep up.
Source kernels have more safeguards than just recovery repacked, but something is better than nothing as well.

RainMotorsports said:
The brick is triggered by a function being called with a particular switch but it only happens when the kernel or program has been compiled against a particular library. Thats a basic and slightly outdated view on the problem more info can be found here - http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1644364
The Galaxy Note actually shipped with ICS and no work around and factory resetting was like playing russian roulette with the phone. The International is supposidly safe but based on the kernel source for FF18, our phone does not have a work around in place on FF18. The bug itself will never be fixed on our end. It requires flashing the eMMC firmware which can generally only be done by an eMMC partner.
Basically any time a partition is formatted without work arounds in place a bug in the eMMC controller could randomly corrupt storage at a very low level. These formats occur during Factory resets and when flashing a rom, etc.
Safe recoveries are worked around so that factory resetting and wiping partitions is safe. The danger still lies in scripts making the call, that as well has been worked around either blocking a certain call or replacing it. The final danger is zips, usually for roms with an unsafe Updater Binary. CM9 Alpha 5 for example does not have a safe updater binary, from what I know the stock roms don't either. There are recoveries setup to swap this element out to make flashing safe altogether. Can't tell you how common that is at this point I do not keep up.
Source kernels have more safeguards than just recovery repacked, but something is better than nothing as well.
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Excellently said. Perfect!

Could you link my to Chris's latest/ most stable builds/kernels? Thanks
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Excellently said. Perfect!
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Thanks. I am sure anyone on my level with working memory and who has kept up can explain it a little better. Its been awhile for me. I know the mmc cap erase switch on the format call was the suspected culprit but in the end that didnt seem to matter it was then being looked at that the Android 4.0 kernel was compiled against a library for makeext4fs or something.

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Could you link my to Chris's latest/ most stable builds/kernels? Thanks
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I also tried searching for his rom builds but i get other things. I googled but the closes i got to was a kernel and not sure if it was for E4GT.
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whitelight said:
I also tried searching for his rom builds but i get other things. I googled but the closes i got to was a kernel and not sure if it was for E4GT.
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www.chris41g.devphone.org
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What is a good rom for speed, stability and no freezing!?

I'm on cm10.1 and it seems to always freeze and slow down which takes me more time to make calls or get to texts and send them. Get a lot of wait/close notifications and I want to know if there is just a simple epic 4g rom that will respond quickly and not freeze on me when I'm trying to get a girls number for example!
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Never got such things in CM10.1 for all 3 devices I installed it on, but if your goal is that simple, reverting to CM7 (highly recommended, speediest of all ROMs I've experienced, because it's GINGERBREAD) or even stock FC09/FC19 is a good idea.
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Lazy ass
Why do people always ask these questions? Try roms out on your device and find the answers yourself! Each device responds differently.
If I were a moderator, I'd delete these threads every time they popped up, lol.

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Nooo people always ask "what is the best rom" I'm not a noob ok I'm asking if anyone uses a rom that doesn't freeze or lag with everything like cm10 does. Your not a moderator and if you can't help then be silent.
Why would a try 10 roms just to see which one simply freezes the least when I could just ask?
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dertdeezy said:
Nooo people always ask "what is the best rom" I'm not a noob ok I'm asking if anyone uses a rom that doesn't freeze or lag with everything like cm10 does. Your not a moderator and if you can't help then be silent.
Why would a try 10 roms just to see which one simply freezes the least when I could just ask?
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Because every phone reacts different to every ROM. My epic hated cm7, but everybody here loved it. You have to try several different ones out for yourself and see which one you and your phone like best.
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dertdeezy said:
Nooo people always ask "what is the best rom" I'm not a noob ok I'm asking if anyone uses a rom that doesn't freeze or lag with everything like cm10 does. Your not a moderator and if you can't help then be silent.
Why would a try 10 roms just to see which one simply freezes the least when I could just ask?
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You may not be a new XDA user or new to flashing, but you have two replies here saying why answering this question is moot.
Either follow Andy's suggestion, or follow mine and frost's and flash roms until you find what works best for you & your device. Plain and simple, lol.
It probably looks like I'm being an asshole here, but we've had this asked so many times over the nearly 4 years this phone has been in production. It got old years ago, and the answer never changed.

Peace out guys, not everyone's a flashaholic I know, but yeah I had been one for about a year and tried so many ROMs so that's why I have a suggestion. If @dertdezzy just lacks time like I do now, then forgive him and let him fetch my answer and enjoy GB, but meanwhile @nikon120 's got a point in there, if there's time you should really use your brain and hand to sort these subjective things out.
Maybe it's time to shut this thread?
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Come on, an epic 4g is an epic 4g they are not built differently one at a time..if the same rom works different for some people then its because they are doing something different..I'm sure there's a few roms that people in general agree on as one of the most stable, or the most lag free for example..just in general of course..its not that serious to where I have time to flash a new rom everyday, restore all my settings and set ups just to find the "perfect" rom for me
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dertdeezy said:
Come on, an epic 4g is an epic 4g they are not built differently one at a time..if the same rom works different for some people then its because they are doing something different..I'm sure there's a few roms that people in general agree on as one of the most stable, or the most lag free for example..just in general of course..its not that serious to where I have time to flash a new rom everyday, restore all my settings and set ups just to find the "perfect" rom for me
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Actually no. There are differences based on tolerances on how the die is cut for the processors. Some could handle overclocking to 1.5Ghz and others could go no higher than 1.2Ghz. I have 2 no longer in service and at one time running identical software my computer would only recognize one...reinstalled drivers on computer and both were recognized again, Agreed that in most cases it is something different in software and matching up phone for phone in a purely clean flash should yield same results. Now throw in 3rd party apps and themeing and game over.

Yup you right u right, nuff said! But would cm7 and older roms tend to be more what I'm looking for with speed, less lagging and freezing?
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dertdeezy said:
Yup you right u right, nuff said! But would cm7 and older roms tend to be more what I'm looking for with speed, less lagging and freezing?
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They're pretty much stable and good to go. You will have more space for apps on a Gingerbread rom than a ICS/JellyBean rom. Also you should have less RAM used on Gingerbread than the other types as well.
Really you just have to decide either TouchWiz or CM based. If CM, then which OS type. After that point, it's pretty easy reduce the rom list.

On cm7 for past week or so...PERFECT!! EXACTLY what I needed, thanks to the good response I got
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dertdeezy said:
On cm7 for past week or so...PERFECT!! EXACTLY what I needed, thanks to the good response I got
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Hah, so it looks like Gingerbread isn't so legacy after all Glad you found what you love!
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