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Is Move to SD supposed to work with internal or external SD

Under applications when you choose Move to SD, is that supposed to move to internal or external SD. If it is supposed to move to external SD, what is the correct behavior when you don't have an external SD inserted?
This is in regards to the stock Samsung ROM.

sfhub said:
Under applications when you choose Move to SD, is that supposed to move to internal or external SD. If it is supposed to move to external SD, what is the correct behavior when you don't have an external SD inserted?
This is in regards to the stock Samsung ROM.
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Unless you make some modifications, anything that gets moved to "sd_card" is on the internal memory.
If you move an app to the external SD and then you don't have that card inserted, you won't be able to use the app. You MAY get a force close... more likely, you'll get an "unable to launch" error.

When moving to sd i think samsung originally intended for the app to move to the internal memory being that it shows the available space for the internal memory at the bottom. However when u move apps they actually go to the sd card and if you look closely you'll see the available memory at the bottom is not decreasing in size as you move them.. If you try to move an app with no sd card present you'll get an error about no sd card inserted pop up on the screen.
Edit: On ics it actually says unable to move app. Not enough available space. Mind you i have 8gbs free.
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Im gonna say it always goes to internal or "usb storage" I was looking here, shots attached, and you can see at the bottom of the third tab titled on sd card, it says usb storage. so sd card = usb storage = internal sd. All the same. I have a 32 gb external sd and no apps have been pushed over with the move to sd function, they move to usb
Edit:im currently on gb if it matters
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tkemack said:
Im gonna say it always goes to internal or "usb storage" I was looking here, shots attached, and you can see at the bottom of the third tab titled on sd card, it says usb storage. so sd card = usb storage = internal sd. All the same. I have a 32 gb external sd and no apps have been pushed over with the move to sd function, they move to usb
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It just shows usb storage bcuz it thinks its sending them there. I guarantee if you move those apps back to the phone the available space wont change and if u look at ur actual sd card storage from the storage section you'll see the space free up there. I've already did my research and brought it up long ago. No one payed it any mind. Samsung failed on that just like they failed with the picture orientation when taking pics in portrait mode.. Unmount ur sd card and watch as every app thats been moved become grayed out till u reinsert ur card..
Edit: I also realized that the usb storage has been switched to sd card on ics fe07. However its still showing my internal memory meanwhile my apps move to the external sd..
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I can't find any trace of any apps on my external sd card using different file managers. They are all on /sd card as opposed to /sd card/external sd
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Yes, this discussion is exactly what led to my initial question.
When I move stuff to sd (on ICS) it says it is using USB storage and the SD section says 0, but it actually mapped the storage through a mount point on the internal SD that is mapped to external sd. The files are then kept in the .android_secure directory on the external SD.
However I read many posts where people are asking how they can move apps to the external SD instead of the internal SD, so that got me thinking in some cases it does the internal SD.

My android_secure folder on external sd is showing empty using root explorer.
I even used titanium backup's function of move all user apps to sd and they went to /sdcard not external
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All I'm saying is as long as u keep moving apps to sd the memory for the external card will decrease while the internal wont move a thing. Just go ahead and move them back and forth and keep an eye on available space for both internal/external and you'll see what i mean. Its weird idk. If they were truly on the internal the apps shouldn't disappears after an sd card unmount... I dont believe it ever does internal. At least I've never successfully moved an app without an external card present, i always receive some error message
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sfhub said:
Under applications when you choose Move to SD, is that supposed to move to internal or external SD. If it is supposed to move to external SD, what is the correct behavior when you don't have an external SD inserted?
This is in regards to the stock Samsung ROM.
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In regards to stock at the present stock means gingerbread, 'cause ics isn't yet official on the Epic, in gingerbread in manage apps option is, move to SD card or move to phone, I guess phone means internal, and SD card means external. If card i s not present you get no option to move. That is in regards to stock.
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In regards to stock at the present stock means gingerbread, 'cause ics isn't yet official on the Epic, in gingerbread in manage apps option is, move to SD card or move to phone, I guess phone means internal, and SD card means external. If card i s not present you get no option to move. That is in regards to stock.
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For me, on stock GB, Move to SD ends up moving to external SD. Move to Phone is only present after an app is moved to (external) SD and if I press that, it moves back to /data on the phone. It doesn't move to internal SD.
I am under the impression that there is some factor which causes some phones to install to external SD and some phones to install to internal SD.
I am trying to hopefully discover what that pattern is because I know some people prefer one behavior and some prefer the other behavior.

sfhub said:
For me, on stock GB, Move to SD ends up moving to external SD. Move to Phone is only present after an app is moved to (external) SD and if I press that, it moves back to /data on the phone. It doesn't move to internal SD.
I am under the impression that there is some factor which causes some phones to install to external SD and some phones to install to internal SD.
I am trying to hopefully discover what that pattern is because I know some people prefer one behavior and some prefer the other behavior.
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Well if you figure it out I'd be interested in it. I would love too have my apps go to the internal. This phone scans the USB storage a lot faster than it does a sd card. I'm sure that would stop the whole apps going blank after removing an sd card when apps are on sd. I have so many apps on the sd it takes a while to fully scan and sometimes one or two don't load and are grayed so i have to unmount and remount to get them to show.. This phone struggles when it's scanning both media at the same time. If I power on without the sd card and put it in after it finish scanning the USB the sd card loads everything perfectly with no grayed out app icon.
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I would like to know as well. I would appreciate having the ability to choose external/internal sd when moving apps to sd.
The way storage capacity totals are currently displayed make what is happening a bit confusing. when I first got my phone I spent a couple hours experimenting after recognizing the behaviour noted above.
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sfhub said:
Yes, this discussion is exactly what led to my initial question.
When I move stuff to sd (on ICS) it says it is using USB storage and the SD section says 0, but it actually mapped the storage through a mount point on the internal SD that is mapped to external sd. The files are then kept in the .android_secure directory on the external SD.
However I read many posts where people are asking how they can move apps to the external SD instead of the internal SD, so that got me thinking in some cases it does the internal SD.
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Honestly sfhub i think all e4gt move to the external and some ppl just think its going to the internal. The way the On Sd section displays the available space for internal usb memory is enough to confuse some. I believe this phone is set up to look for a mounted sd card to move apps. That's just my opinion on the subject..
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RayTrue04 said:
Honestly sfhub i think all e4gt move to the external and some ppl just think its going to the internal. The way the On Sd section displays the available space for internal usb memory is enough to confuse some. I believe this phone is set up to look for a mounted sd card to move apps. That's just my opinion on the subject..
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That's what I thought too, but I believe some people can install/move to sd even without external SD inserted.
My unit cannot do this. It will only install/move to SD with external SD inserted, and even though the UI makes you think it is installing to internal SD, the actual files show up in the .android_secure folder on the external SD. If I don't have external SD inserted, then it will produce an error when you move an app to SD (or if the app tries to install to sd on its own). Therefore I believe some units are actually installing to internal SD because some people are able to move to SD even without external SD inserted.

Can someone (sfHub ) explain this, I think some of us need some clarification.
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All I'm saying is as long as u keep moving apps to sd the memory for the external card will decrease while the internal wont move a thing. Just go ahead and move them back and forth and keep an eye on available space for both internal/external and you'll see what i mean. Its weird idk. If they were truly on the internal the apps shouldn't disappears after an sd card unmount... I dont believe it ever does internal. At least I've never successfully moved an app without an external card present, i always receive some error message
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I've moved several apps to SD, first of all, currently you will receive "unable to move app to SD" if you're running an ICS build, secondly when I tried on GB, my external .Android_secure also stayed empty, the space remains the same, and the apps show up on
/sdcard, with the USB storage space reducing, not the external sd card. Not sure when the fix will come for ICS, hopefully soon, but sounds like maybe a broken partition somewhere if you are moving to sd and it doesn't go to USB, as it should...AND your external space is changing. Went to Samsung online support, and it is true, app to sd moves from "phone storage" to internal sd aka USB storage.
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sfhub said:
For me, on stock GB, Move to SD ends up moving to external SD. Move to Phone is only present after an app is moved to (external) SD and if I press that, it moves back to /data on the phone. It doesn't move to internal SD.
I am under the impression that there is some factor which causes some phones to install to external SD and some phones to install to internal SD.
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I see Sfhub is experimenting with Stock GB. However, I do not see mentioned that for this to work everyone should be on the same baseline to prevent variations to the results. Once enough data has been collected, then you can vary from the baseline (ie. try a different ROM) in a controlled environment to get accurate data.
Short version: rules & guidelines should be established to discover the correct answer to the question.
Edit: Also, to prevent tainted data, EVERY phone should be wiped, formatted & odined to stock. Formatted specifically since the discussion is related to SD storage.

Here is the data I've gathered if it will help.
I am running pure Stock EL29 Rooted (via Sfhubs one click), both SD's have been formatted as well. External SD is a 16 GB SD memory stick.
I will try to breakdown the screen captures, please also note the device and usb memory displayed at the very bottom of some of the screens also:
External SD not mounted
1. Bare, nothing installed
2. Installed Angry Birds
3. same - different cap
4. same - different cap
5. Tried moving app to external SD (which is currently not mounted)
External SD mounted
6. Angry Birds moved to SD
7. same - different cap
8. same - different cap
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9. Angry Birds on internal memory (before move)
10. Angry Birds on external storage (after move)
Conclusion (from this test environment): Stock EL29 Gingerbreak 2.3.6 - If an application is moved to SD, it is placed on the external SD by default. If one does not exist, the move is not possible.
Edit: If you compare screencaps #9 (before move) and #10 (after move), storage is dropping on BOTH internal and external SD at the same time after the app is moved to SD. The app is rather small so I cannot say exactly how much (or what) is moved where, just an observation.

Identical test results with Calkulin's 3.0 GB ROM. I'd put money on Blazer 4.1 coming up with the same results but I don't have the energy to keep flashing GB roms.
It's beginning to look like most of the roms based on stock GB 2.3.6 will have similar results as long as they haven't been specifically tweaked to move & run apps from internal SD storage.

[Q] SD card directory on internal storage...?

I seem to have a SD card directory (10gb) that is actually on my internal storage. It is accessible with or without an SD actually inserted. I have now got a 64gb card that I wish to use but when I try to move apps (using Link2SD) it thinks some are on the SD card already, then when I move them to my phone they stop working! Any ideas what's happening? I don't remember doing anything like emulating a SD card or something...

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I seem to have a SD card directory (10gb) that is actually on my internal storage. It is accessible with or without an SD actually inserted. I have now got a 64gb card that I wish to use but when I try to move apps (using Link2SD) it thinks some are on the SD card already, then when I move them to my phone they stop working! Any ideas what's happening? I don't remember doing anything like emulating a SD card or something...
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"Internal SD" is just how Samsung refer to the built-in storage. Any SD card you have to insert is referred to as an External SD. Confusing, I know, considering it's not outside the phone.
Hope this clears it up.

Ah right. That makes a bit more sense. Thanks. Just got to sort out where my apps are installed now... and also where they seem to THINK they are!

shockerty said:
Ah right. That makes a bit more sense. Thanks. Just got to sort out where my apps are installed now... and also where they seem to THINK they are!
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link2sd is not compatible or rather say it must be creating prob as note2 is having problem using the ext2sd script though you can try this http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2036796 and fat32 is recommended so format your card to fat32

System reboots when installing application with external SDXC

I am running CIVZ v3.5 ROM (4.2.2) with an external Toshiba 64GB SDXC card (exFAT format).
Every time I tried to update an app with Play Store, the system will reboot. If I install the apk instead, it will say insufficient memory. However, once I remove the external SDXC card, everything installs normally.
Is there anybody with a similar problem? Any suggestions to use the external SDXC card normally with Note 8.0? I tried formatting the card to FAT32, but it always say the card is corrupt and asks me to format (back to exFAT).
Thanks.

what if you unmount the card instead of removing it, before installing.
I am running a 64 Gig sdxc in exfat and do not have such issues.
however, Do you have a lot of apps moved: app > sd card ?
On One of my Older samsung devices similar used to happen when you moved more than a certain number of apps to sd card.
Solution was to slowly move few apps back to local memory until the problem went away. May or may not work for you though.

I don't have any apps moved to the external sd card. Sometimes the SD card would show up as 0GB under "storage."
I have checked for errors, but can't find any. Used h2testw and the card is indeed 64GB.

Hello, fellows! Please be so kind to inform whether there is an option for note 8 to switch the data between internal memory & sd-ext. Similar to this issue, but for note 8: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1857391
Found some manuals, but they all ask to flash the device with new rom. I would prefer to create sd-ext card via PC. Is it possible?
Any ways to use sd card as the apps storage place are of great demand!
Thank you all in advance! ,)
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[Q] Titanium Backup 6.1.4.3 and Lg G Pad 8.3

Hi is anyone else having an issue with TB not showing external SD card or some features like convert system app to regular app?

See my post in the other threads regarding not being able to write to external SDCard...

RiPpeR_dUdE said:
See my post in the other threads regarding not being able to write to external SDCard...
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HI, Thanks for responding I can write to the sd card. it just not showing up in titanium

jionny said:
HI, Thanks for responding I can write to the sd card. it just not showing up in titanium
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OK, mine is working fine, try this...
From preferences, select Backup Folder Location, hit the back arrow twice until you get a listing of folders; "emulated", "sdcard0" and "sdcard1" (this is your external SD), select "sdcard1" then create new folder, create the new TitaniumBackup folder and you should be good.

RiPpeR_dUdE said:
OK, mine is working fine, try this...
From preferences, select Backup Folder Location, hit the back arrow twice until you get a listing of folders; "emulated", "sdcard0" and "sdcard1" (this is your external SD), select "sdcard1" then create new folder, create the new TitaniumBackup folder and you should be good.
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Thanks again Ripper but I did that already, it did change my backups to sd card and shows that in titanium under backup directory however it does not show my sd card at the bottom of titanium. It should be system rom then internal& media and then ext sd card listed. ext sd card is not listed

jionny said:
Thanks again Ripper but I did that already, it did change my backups to sd card and shows that in titanium under backup directory however it does not show my sd card at the bottom of titanium. It should be system rom then internal& media and then ext sd card listed. ext sd card is not listed
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The only time I saw this was when I could not write to the external SDCard, once I fixed that mine is showing correctly. If you can write to your external SD, you may have another issue.

Screenshot for reference showing both internal and external SDCard....

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Screenshot for reference showing both internal and external SDCard....
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yea weird and instead of saying sdcard1 mines says external_SD card..... it works fine just its weird it does'nt show at the bottom thanks again for your responses and help ripper

jionny said:
yea weird and instead of saying sdcard1 mines says external_SD card..... it works fine just its weird it does'nt show at the bottom thanks again for your responses and help ripper
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also found out its not the sdcard the sdcard is a sandisk sdxc 64gb i switched it with the one in my phone which is a 32gb adata and it still doesnt show external sd card listing at bottom of titanium backup... well at least now i know its not the card

jionny said:
also found out its not the sdcard the sdcard is a sandisk sdxc 64gb i switched it with the one in my phone which is a 32gb adata and it still doesnt show external sd card listing at bottom of titanium backup... well at least now i know its not the card
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TB is the same for my G Pad with a Samsung 64GB card. Sure you can specify the external card as a backup location, but presumably TB can't automatically identify it as the external card. I imagine TB needs an update for the G Pad memory architecture (path naming).

tdodd said:
TB is the same for my G Pad with a Samsung 64GB card. Sure you can specify the external card as a backup location, but presumably TB can't automatically identify it as the external card. I imagine TB needs an update for the G Pad memory architecture (path naming).
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tdodd may I ask what rom you are running I am on stock and I applied the fix and it didnt do anything still can't write to sd card

jionny said:
tdodd may I ask what rom you are running I am on stock and I applied the fix and it didnt do anything still can't write to sd card
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I'm running the stock LG ROM. The card is formatted as exFAT, as supplied from Amazon.

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I'm running the stock LG ROM. The card is formatted as exFAT, as supplied from Amazon.
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my titanium backup shows the same as you displayed but I still Cant move apps to sd card and titanium backup does not recognize ext sd card on opening screen but I noticed from a previous post that yours does

jionny said:
my titanium backup shows the same as you displayed but I still Cant move apps to sd card and titanium backup does not recognize ext sd card on opening screen but I noticed from a previous post that yours does
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I do not move apps to the SD card. I have no need or reason to. My TB overview screen does not show the external card. Those things do not prevent me writing to the card - it is writeable. Maybe I do not understand the problem. For me there is no problem.
EDIT - OK, now I think I understand - TB does not see the external card so it cannot report on its status and cannot move apps to it. In all other respects the card works as one would expect. As I said in my first post, it seems like TB needs updating in order to discover the card as mounted by the G Pad. Either that or use some sort of folder mount app to mount the external card where TB can find it.

tdodd said:
I do not move apps to the SD card. I have no need or reason to. My TB overview screen does not show the external card. Those things do not prevent me writing to the card - it is writeable. Maybe I do not understand the problem. For me there is no problem.
EDIT - OK, now I think I understand - TB does not see the external card so it cannot report on its status and cannot move apps to it. In all other respects the card works as one would expect. As I said in my first post, it seems like TB needs updating in order to discover the card as mounted by the G Pad. Either that or use some sort of folder mount app to mount the external card where TB can find it.
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CORRECT.... thanks for answering my questions

I noticed this also yesterday when I was on Stock ROM with TiBU. I thought my device was bad but on CM11 TiBU works as normal with the external SD. LG ROM is wonky.

wpbear said:
I noticed this also yesterday when I was on Stock ROM with TiBU. I thought my device was bad but on CM11 TiBU works as normal with the external SD. LG ROM is wonky.
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Thanks for the info. I had a feeling it was LG's ROM

I've been looking more deeply into this, but I don't have the skills to come up with a solution. However, I have a feeling the problem stems from Android itself and while some manufacturers may have implemented their own workarounds it seems that LG has not. Here is an article which outlines the basis of the problem (if I am right).
http://www.androidpolice.com/2012/1...continues-to-shun-sd-cards-multiuser-support/

No help to offer other than to share my experience - I stuck my SD card in the G Pad to restore my app data and have no problems with it. TB restored them from the SD card. I've also been using TB repeatedly to back up and restore Injustice Gods Among Us on my SD card (30 times a day) with no problems.
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LeighR said:
No help to offer other than to share my experience - I stuck my SD card in the G Pad to restore my app data and have no problems with it. TB restored them from the SD card. I've also been using TB repeatedly to back up and restore Injustice Gods Among Us on my SD card (30 times a day) with no problems.
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The problem has nothing to do with backups and restores. It is the inability to move apps to the external SD card. TB gives no clues to the problem - no helpful messages - but other app2sd type apps complain about the way storage is arranged, saying that external storage is emulated. Clearly that is nonsense, because the external SD card it's a very real physical storage device, but I think that multi user support has screwed thing up, as per the article I linked to earlier.
FWIW I have managed to get TB to show the external card on the overview screen by creating a folder in /mnt and using foldermount to point the folder to the external card, but it does not survive a reboot and does not overcome the problem with moving apps to external storage. Maybe foldermount could be used to move large data folders to the external card for apps such as offline navigation or games, which should free up some space from the internal storage. As I have no need to do that (yet) I have not tried.

[Q] Move apps to the EXTERNAL SD card??

Any way to truly move apps to the external SD card?
I have just recnetly learned that moving apps "to the SD card" in the settings>apps menu doesnt truly move them to the external SD card.
Why is that?
I dont have many apps yet, but it seems the apps i do have slowly get larger and larger as i use them and they save user data. (game progress for example).
Id like to know that I could at least move things that i dont care how fast they load to a truly external SD card (along with my wallpapers, ringtones, etc)
Even if theres a manual way via USB, thats cool. Just hoping someone with more than about a months worth of experience with a captivate glide (or really, i guess any phone that by default wont let you) could give some advice.
thanks!

Pawprints1986 said:
Any way to truly move apps to the external SD card?
I have just recnetly learned that moving apps "to the SD card" in the settings>apps menu doesnt truly move them to the external SD card.
Why is that?
I dont have many apps yet, but it seems the apps i do have slowly get larger and larger as i use them and they save user data. (game progress for example).
Id like to know that I could at least move things that i dont care how fast they load to a truly external SD card (along with my wallpapers, ringtones, etc)
Even if theres a manual way via USB, thats cool. Just hoping someone with more than about a months worth of experience with a captivate glide (or really, i guess any phone that by default wont let you) could give some advice.
thanks!
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You have sd card integrated to the board, its not true sd card. You can swap internal sd to external sd, then you can use same move function to use external micro sd card as application storage.

bubor said:
You have sd card integrated to the board, its not true sd card. You can swap internal sd to external sd, then you can use same move function to use external micro sd card as application storage.
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So theres no way to just manually tell it to move there without messing up whats already on the internal storage?

The Android system still has no option to move app to external sd. You can copy everything from internal (built-in) sd to external and apply change-fstab.zip to make Android think that your external sd is internal and vice versa. Works on every 4.4 rom. No performance drawbacks if using class 10 sd card. Worked for me flawlessly and thanks to bubor for this great feature.
And for manually... There's an app called Link2SD. It's some sort of workaround. You make second partition on your external SD and move apps there, leaving links for Android system on your internal storage. You can find it in google market, be sure to read instructions first.

Makshow said:
The Android system still has no option to move app to external sd. You can copy everything from internal (built-in) sd to external and apply change-fstab.zip to make Android think that your external sd is internal and vice versa. Works on every 4.4 rom. No performance drawbacks if using class 10 sd card. Worked for me flawlessly and thanks to bubor for this great feature.
And for manually... There's an app called Link2SD. It's some sort of workaround. You make second partition on your external SD and move apps there, leaving links for Android system on your internal storage. You can find it in google market, be sure to read instructions first.
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I remember trying link2sd on a friends tablet recently. it recognized certain apps as moveable, but when i actually tried to move them (on an SD that i had already partitioned) it said failure every time.
But im not sure i want to switch my storage entirely. I would just like to allow, say another 4 gigs on my SD card (with the other 4 being for wallpapers, ringtones, etc). i have an 8 gig card right now.

Then you should try link2sd here. Basically, no other options, unless you wish to emulate Link2SD work with some scripts and move apps manually. I saw some patches for Lenovo phones to combine internal storage or something like that, but they will not work on Glide obviously.