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So we've got root access. Awesome. Everyone has been looking forward to installing apps to their SD card as well as other neat tricks.
Well, I haven't.
I hate to be the buzz killer but there is a fundamental flaw with the way apps are installed and uninstalled that means even moving them to a spacious SD card is not solving the problem.
Before I go rooting the phone and hacking as a way to eliminate some of the more annoying problems with Android, we need to first distinguish between bugs, technical limitations and poor implementation. Not allowing installs to the SD card out of the box is a technical limitation...Apps2sd creates a Linux partition on your SD but it's not ideal.
But that's neither here nor there. I'm not here to discuss the reletive merits of rooting or using apps2sd. What I want is the underlying code to work properly before I go hacking. It doesn't matter if we only have 100mb of space or 2GB for apps. If I install a 2mb app and them remove it I want the WHOLE 2mb back.
This morning news of the pre release alpha of Fennec (mobile Firefox) was announced. I attempted to install it but there was only 25mb of space on my phone. Apparently this is a BIG install and needed about 39mb. Anyway long story short, it didn't work. No matter how much space I cleared (up to 40.89mb at one point) it still told me I didn't have enough space.
So now I have a phone with 40mb of space and I had to clear out some unused apps to get there...I also cleared out my IM app, Nimbuzz, which I DO use. So I figure I'd install it again...but I'm thinking, it was big! Over 4mb installed. I figure I'll look for a smaller lighter app. I try Meego. Nice, small, but no Skype chat. So I uninstall and try Fring. Nice, has Skype...but no Facebook. The only one with the features I want is Nimbuzz. So I uninstall Fring. Two apps installed. Two apps removed. I look at my space. 35mb.
5mb has seemingly vanished into nothing!!! Meego was only about 500kb. Fring about 1.5mb. Where did all that space go?!?
I reset and there's no difference.
So to my experiment. I needed to verify the space suck bug.
Reset phone. I'm starting with 39.89mb.
Install Robo Defence Free. It's advertised as 1.25mb.
Reset phone. 38.02mb. I've used up 1.87mb with that install. According to App Manager Robo Defence is using up 1.41mb.
Uninstall Robo Defence. 38.18mb. Restart. final = 39.42mb.
In just one app install and removal, I've lost 0.47mb
Why? What has used that space?
Despite having 40mb of space this morning when attempting to install Fennec, I have since removed Nimbuzz, Shopper, Robo Defence, Poker, Layar, and Google Translate and I've not gotten back up to 40mb.
Can someone tell me what the hell is going on?
Yeah this is a major worry.
I hope someone can get to the bottom of it...
Try going to settings - applications - manage applications then hit menu and choose sort by size. This should show you the biggest space hog. My guess is that the browser and/or market caches are getting big as you're browsing for these apps. You can press on market and there will be a button to clear the cache, same for internet.
Hope this helps
Nope, that didn't even dent it. This is a real bother.
Have you tried to delete the cache and the data of the application before uninstalling it ?
Under settings/applications/manage applications when you choose an app you can see the size of the application but also the size of the data and the size of the cache. Maybe uninstalling an app don't remove at least the data and/or cache...
Guy's, honestly... You are looking far to deep into this and the word "control freak" comes to mind..
Enjoy your phone and dont quibble over 0.47MB when you have 32gb to play with. A massive thanks to Paul for getting us this root in the first place, we now have options to do anything we want with the phone.
Worry if your phone cannot be used, yes
But worring over small, irrelivant problems will just lower your enjoyment of this beast! Take a chill pill and enjoy that wee can now install apps on the sd card and are not limited to space
Cheers Paul))))
JD
JupiterDroid said:
dont quibble over 0.47MB when you have 32gb to play with.
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What about those of us who don't plan to root? I think the OP's point here was that this is an issue and rooting isn't really a solution for a lot of people.
Why would you not root? I dont see why you would not open your phone up to obvious advantages and extra app's, especially when these apps have the potential to extend battery life and volume levels, two of which we know with the Desire are pretty dire.
JD
Perfect volume and 2 days battery here mate
I'd only root for A2SD, but might see if Google sort it themselves first as I don't use a lot of apps anyway - it's just a phone after all
JupiterDroid said:
Guy's, honestly... You are looking far to deep into this and the word "control freak" comes to mind..
Enjoy your phone and dont quibble over 0.47MB when you have 32gb to play with. A massive thanks to Paul for getting us this root in the first place, we now have options to do anything we want with the phone.
Worry if your phone cannot be used, yes
But worring over small, irrelivant problems will just lower your enjoyment of this beast! Take a chill pill and enjoy that wee can now install apps on the sd card and are not limited to space
Cheers Paul))))
JD
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First installing to SD slows down your apps noticeably. It's not ideal. It's the best solution we have RIGHT NOW, but don't mistake that for being a good thing.
I'm not quibbling over 0.45mb. If you reread I LOST 5mb! That's enough space for a few apps, no?
My point being that up until now this clear bug (losing data that doesn't seem to be associated with an app so is therefore not counted in it's cache and is not cleared) has been ignored by throwing SD space at it. That's foolish.
Well i get just over 1.5 days battery life and volume is not too bad for me, but i would like the music volume to be louder Also the main thin gthe root would mean for me is that i could get the Nexus rom on to my Desire and hopefully get a quick update to Froyo Because lets face it, how long are we going to wait for HTC to update sense???
JD
Don't like stock Android - I'm happy with Sense!
But enough thread hijacking!!
So you will be happy to wait 6 months for HTC to update Sense to intergrate with Froyo? (based on past updates, eg.. Hero, which is still on 1.6)?? I can understand your point, but sense for me is just a waste of screen space
The only reason i bought the desire was because of the slightly more RAM and actual buttons instead of touchscreen buttons Sense isnt a real big must for me
JD
Well, yeah! The Desire as it is does exactly what I want it to out the box. I had to cook my own ROM for my HD2 to get it working as I want but this just works!!
I prefer the eye candy of Sense, stock Android is boring and I hate using garish themes...if I feel the need to root it I will but as it is I have no need to
Very true mate Well i hope they have a frozen youghut ready for you apon release
JD
Guys, take it somewhere else eh.
Aitese said:
So we've got root access. Awesome. Everyone has been looking forward to installing apps to their SD card as well as other neat tricks.
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same here. I've two Desire, installed exactly the same apps and had a difference of 12 mb afterwards. I tried to delete every cache a.s.o, still a difference of 5 mb.. reboot .. nothing changed. Next day -> reboot again -> 2 mb difference? No clue what's exactly going on with the rom.
@sense: I bought the desire cause i thought it can't be worse than the nexus one cause if i don't like sense, just install launcher2 and deactivate it. What i did not know: HTC just removed some stock android applications and integrated their crappy apps, and in addition they implement some features i want to REMOVE, i do not want to see them anymore (f.e. flickr.. why flickr? this is android/google, i want a picasa button!, tweet, stocks a.s.o... no uninstall option).
I need root to get rid of the things i don´t like.
I did say sorry for it - he's the one coming back at me!!
I'll leave it now mate, my 2p though, I personally don't care about the memory - if it gets to a point when I do I'll hard reset and start again. Probably just needs the Android equivalent of a defrag!!
Have done two hard resets (not for this reason) and my memory was lower after each - something to do with the re-installing of the apps I surmise?
al89nut said:
Have done two hard resets (not for this reason) and my memory was lower after each - something to do with the re-installing of the apps I surmise?
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That's strange. After a hard reset it should have exactly the same memory each time. After all, that's the whole point of a hard reset.
And I must say that the issue raised by OP is very worrying. Installing and then uninstalling applications should give you back the exact same memory as you had before. I can accept residual files on the SD card, but the precious space on the internal flash should definately be fully reclaimed after an uninstall.
If not, there is a fundamental flaw somewhere. If anyone can shed more light on this issue, please do so!
Noob alert, I'm new here, and I'm new to smart phones, I had the HTC Touch Diamond but it was defective to the point where the only thing I could do on it was browse the web and make phone calls...
I'm not that advanced when it comes to this phone since I just picked it up 2 days ago...
Question 1
I've searched around and saw there was ways to put apps on the SD card, and I'm sure just like a computer you can't run the apps off the SD card (unless you can?)
Well my issue with that is I've tried Astro but I'm dumb and can't figure it out.
Question 2
What's the reason and advantages of "rooting" my phone?
Question 3
Battery life... Battery goes dead in the matter of hours, I took it off the charger and within 10-20 minutes it was down to 89% battery life.
I've installed an app killer to save on processing, and save battery.
Set it to CDMA
Krimlin said:
Noob alert, I'm new here, and I'm new to smart phones, I had the HTC Touch Diamond but it was defective to the point where the only thing I could do on it was browse the web and make phone calls...
I'm not that advanced when it comes to this phone since I just picked it up 2 days ago...
Question 1
I've searched around and saw there was ways to put apps on the SD card, and I'm sure just like a computer you can't run the apps off the SD card (unless you can?)
Well my issue with that is I've tried Astro but I'm dumb and can't figure it out.
Question 2
What's the reason and advantages of "rooting" my phone?
Question 3
Battery life... Battery goes dead in the matter of hours, I took it off the charger and within 10-20 minutes it was down to 89% battery life.
I've installed an app killer to save on processing, and save battery.
Set it to CDMA
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Answer 1: as far as i know the only rom using apps 2 sd at the moment is Flipz, ive tried one or two others, but they werent using it and im not sure if you can just add it on top. So you CAN install apps and have them run off the SD card.
Answer 2: Reason, because you can. Advantage, many! There are a lot of GREAT developers on this forum who strive to make this phone what it should have been out of the box. Problems like battery issues, software glitches, addons, features, they do it all.
example:
Free wireless tether that sprint wants to charge you an additional 30 a month for. (its a big draw)
oh yeah and custom roms.
Answer 3: there are MANY threads on battery saving tips and the custom roms that are adding their own battery saving features.
there are a lot of threads that cover your questions, so just look around and READ EVERYTHING.
good luck.
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Question 2
What's the reason and advantages of "rooting" my phone?
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I am only three weeks into this phone, but this is what I gather....rooting your phone allows you to install apps that are not in the market. Some of these apps help you make your phone run better.
- Controlling the CPU - this is an option on an app (forget the name) where you can set the CPU speeds for when your screen is off or many other situations. the responses to that app seem to increase battery life hugely. this is my leading reason for why I 'might' root.
- Cleaning up bloatware - i HATE HATE HATE bloatware and had it off my winmo phone in about three weeks it took to learn how to flash. now i need to learn how to root so i can get rid of the dumb sprint tm'd stuff
- Adding better bits to your OS - (i think this is root and not nand) but you can find better bits for your phone, like a different keyboard or better radio or things like that would work for you better than stock. this way you can do the little tweaks you want.
Lastly you can put new ROMs on your phone. Lots of em already for this phone. So far the Evo seems to have camera issues on the roms...not sure yet which roms have it figured and which are still working on it. But you can try out different roms and see if you like em.
(Hopefully if I got any of that wrong...the experienced ones will correct...but that is what this noob has gathered so far.)
sablesurfer said:
rooting your phone allows you to install apps that are not in the market. Some of these apps help you make your phone run better.
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This is not true. You don't have to have your phone rooted to install apps that are not in the market. By default, this option is disabled. To get apps into your Android phone you just have to go into the settings and enable the ability to install apps not in the market. Simple and already in original ROMs.
Now, there are some apps that take advantage of ROOT and have some special feature, but you can still install them on your phone if you do not have ROOT, but you will not be able to use the app's special feature.
As with all apps, some make your phone run better and some make it worse. Caveat emptor.
So again I'm new to this, where do I go to get these cool apps and such, and anyone have any tips and tricks for rooting, some of this stuff is above my head.
I'm sorry guys, I'm a moderator for a car forum so I understand having a noob show up asking alot of dumb questions that should be common knowledge in your circles LOL.
lol,
There is a program called simpleroot over in the dev forum that makes rooting a snap, and I think there are even some video tutorials
...And almost all the apps you would want are on the market
figure out what version you have, menu->settings->about phone->software information->build number
and then go to the read about rooting that version in the developer section
Ok so I read through the rooting instructions made by toast, seems easy enough.
But I also saw that it wipes your phone, meaning?
Am I going to have to re enter all my contacts, download all my apps again, and change all my setting back to the way I like it?
Also after rooting my phone, I won't have to like re activate it to make calls right, and after rooting it when I turn the phone on again for use what will I find? Is it going to look like it did when I first pulled it out of the box?
There's alot of things I don't understand about rooting and if someone would point me in the right direction that would be awesome, I've tried looking but keep coming across discussion threads, and instructions, no real explaination of what it does to my phone and what I can use it for.
Yes it will wipe everything pretty much. You should sync your contacts with google though so you dont have to worry about reloading those. After you are rooted you can use one of those 'root apps' called Titanium Backup and that will let you backup and restore everything.
You will not need to reactivate your phone. After you flash it will basically look like it did when it first came out of the box. Until you flash a custom rom, then some things may be a bit different (maybe custom themes, removed apk's, things like that.
Awesome, thanks for the info. I appreciate the hospitality guys!
Rooting and the OTA
nenn said:
figure out what version you have, menu->settings->about phone->software information->build number
and then go to the read about rooting that version in the developer section
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I swapped my 1st EVO in a panic after running the 1st June 29 update. I now have a 0003 with .6 and would like to jump into the world of root. My qusetion is at this point should I do the OTA and then root or just root with the 1st toast method 1 and 2?
Also my laptop set up for dual boot so I can use either Ubuntu or win7. One over the other for diving in?
Thanks for any help.
Dano3 said:
I swapped my 1st EVO in a panic after running the 1st June 29 update. I now have a 0003 with .6 and would like to jump into the world of root. My qusetion is at this point should I do the OTA and then root or just root with the 1st toast method 1 and 2?
Also my laptop set up for dual boot so I can use either Ubuntu or win7. One over the other for diving in?
Thanks for any help.
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Try to do your root as close to the lowest version you have, but it seems that people have gotten root even after the latest OTA update.
I don't think it matters in what OS you want to work in to root or mod your phone, but it tends to be a bit easier under Ubuntu. It was a pain in the ass to get the EVO recognized under Windows. The easy 1 click root is made to work under windows. I find that creating a kitchen (aka setup to make custom ROMs with apps/features added or removed) is easier in Linux. And doing development and building the OS from source is waaay easier under Ubuntu. I'm doing development, so it's a lot easier under Ubuntu.
Summary, somethings are easier in Windows and others easier in Ubuntu.
Check out this thread for a helpful battery tip:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=721156
Make sure you go into settings > wireless networks > mobile data settings and turn off always on mobile data.
This one of the most popular roms that focuses on battery saving:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=700649
MAKE SURE YOU SEARCH THE THREAD BEFORE ASKING QUESTIONS B/C SOMEONE WILL EAT YOUR FACE FOR ASKING A QUESTION THATS BEEN ASKED A MILLION TIMES
Antebios said:
This is not true. You don't have to have your phone rooted to install apps that are not in the market. By default, this option is disabled. To get apps into your Android phone you just have to go into the settings and enable the ability to install apps not in the market. Simple and already in original ROMs.
Now, there are some apps that take advantage of ROOT and have some special feature, but you can still install them on your phone if you do not have ROOT, but you will not be able to use the app's special feature.
As with all apps, some make your phone run better and some make it worse. Caveat emptor.
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AH, well then. That would be why I threw my thoughts out there...for correction if needed. But the SetCPU thing needs root right? And that is the one I think I definitely want.
Thanks JJ you've been a savior!
You guys here have been awesome and very informative on the irc. I'll still need some guidance but you guys have helped a lot and didn't give me hell for being a noob.
Thanks again!
what are the pros & cons of rooting this particular phone?
general question, i am not at all familiar with rooting, I would not mind doing so if there's a noticeable change.
thanks in advance!
Absolutely NOT! Rooting will make your ears produce too much wax and also infertile!
...But if you don't mind that...
Here are some benefits of having root access:
* Titanium Backup requires root access, which gives it the ability to backup and and all applications (including locked, protected and system apps!)
* It also allows Titanium Backup to REMOVE any app! Including system apps (including the bloated crap the carriers install).
* Someone recently posted about an app called 'Ram Manager', which also requires Root. It's a memory management app and so far I think it's working well
* SetCPU, app that allows you to control the CPU frequency. You can create profiles so you can set the min/max speed of the CPU based on conditions (like set the CPU lower when the battery is below 50%)
* Root Explorer, app that let's you browse the contents of storage. As-is you only have read access to certain directories...With Root you have read/write to all directories
So that's a few things off the top of my head.
Namuna said:
Absolutely NOT! Rooting will make your ears produce too much wax and make you infertile!
...But if you don't mind that...
Here are some benefits of having root access:
* Titanium Backup requires root access, which gives it the ability to backup and and all applications (including locked, protected and system apps!)
* It also allows Titanium Backup to REMOVE any app! Including system apps (including the bloated crap the carriers install).
* Someone recently posted about an app called 'Ram Manager', which also requires Root. It's a memory management app and so far I think it's working well
* SetCPU, app that allows you to control the CPU frequency. You can create profiles so you can set the min/max speed of the CPU based on conditions (like set the CPU lower when the battery is below 50%)
* Root Explorer, app that let's you browse the contents of storage. As-is you only have read access to certain directories...With Root you have read/write to all directories
So that's a few things off the top of my head.
So that's just a few things.
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Appreciated.
it was the ram manager thread that piqued my interest. I went to the app market to get it and noticed it requires root. In checking all that out, I noticed titanium backup also requires it and i was interested in that as well.
So it sounds like there is no real reason NOT to do so, other than voiding the warranty?
scott0 said:
Appreciated.
it was the ram manager thread that piqued my interest. I went to the app market to get it and noticed it requires root. In checking all that out, I noticed titanium backup also requires it and i was interested in that as well.
So it sounds like there is no real reason NOT to do so, other than voiding the warranty?
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You're not really voiding the warranty, since you can alway reflash back the stock ROM on the phone that was not rooted yet, and it will be like nothing was ever changed. But for now, we don't have the stock ROM for flashing yet.
Honestly the employees are pretty clueless and don't check for it you probably wouldn't have any issues with warranty even if you did need to return it to AT&T. Just delete the superuser app and they probably can't tell the difference, the phone will head back to the factory to get reflashed and sold as a refurbished unit anyway.
Titanium backup would be the main reason I'd want root. Being able to "freeze" apps rather than uninstalling them completely is a good way to stop rogue apps or bloatware from preventing the phone from sleeping while giving you the option to restore them any time in case you do need them. It's a good way to test which apps are actually needed and which ones are just bloat.
scott0 said:
Appreciated.
it was the ram manager thread that piqued my interest. I went to the app market to get it and noticed it requires root. In checking all that out, I noticed titanium backup also requires it and i was interested in that as well.
So it sounds like there is no real reason NOT to do so, other than voiding the warranty?
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dinan said:
Honestly the employees are pretty clueless and don't check for it you probably wouldn't have any issues with warranty even if you did need to return it to AT&T. Just delete the superuser app and they probably can't tell the difference, the phone will head back to the factory to get reflashed and sold as a refurbished unit anyway.
Titanium backup would be the main reason I'd want root. Being able to "freeze" apps rather than uninstalling them completely is a good way to stop rogue apps or bloatware from preventing the phone from sleeping while giving you the option to restore them any time in case you do need them. It's a good way to test which apps are actually needed and which ones are just bloat.
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Going somewat off topic here, but have u ever tried returning a phone to AT&T with custom ROMs or even CM7 on it? The reason I asked is cuz my Atrix is currently "broken" and I have insisted to AT&T that I want another phone, and they told me that if they determined it's really broken, they are willing to let me get an early upgrade to the Nitro. But I don't want to have to go through the hassle of wiping n restoring the phone to stock. So I'm wondering if they will actually notice that it's not running stock ROM.
Root it.
Before root I had maybe 6 hrs battery life. It would be dead before I even got home from work. That's hardly using it.
Rooted.
SetCPU
NoBLOAT
disabled a lot of bloat and setcpu profiles my battery life went from extremely poor to getting 12 - 15 hrs of medium use. that's talk time, music, browsing, the works. I'm very happy with this phone now.
Rooting was easy just had to hammer it a few times.
Very pleased.
It's very nice coming back to Android. I had to try the iPhone did it for a year. Will never do it again. Especially since I've been a linux user for 10 years.
thanks for the input folks. any more is also appreciated.
anyne reading this who was planning to root your NITRO and changed your mind?
Can't we use the LG support utility to flash back to the stock rom? I have not attempted it yet, but I think I will give it a shot once I have backed up all my applications... If I learn anything interesting I will let you all know.
i wonder when the LG flash will be available.
went to buy voodoo control and see it requires root as well, so that's 3 pretty big programs i want to use but can't atm. i'm thinking i will root this after work today.
was hoping to not have to hassle with it.
another question
just read this:
"Since this app will ask you for root permissions, be sure you obtain it from a legit source.
Pirated software using superuser are dangerous and can potentially brick or destroy your phone"
does superoneclick legitimately access root?
Not much of a hassle... It worked straight away for me once I installed the right drivers (from LG download) and then picked the right option (charge only) that would allow adb to see the phone. After I had both of those - it took about 5-15 minutes to get done.
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I used a different source - Doom Lord's Easy rooting toolkit (v3.0) as it was just a script file that ran. I was able to inspect the script - not that I can tell the executables are all above board, but I can at least see exactly what is going to happen during the process. And it worked perfectly...
scott0 said:
another question
just read this:
"Since this app will ask you for root permissions, be sure you obtain it from a legit source.
Pirated software using superuser are dangerous and can potentially brick or destroy your phone"
does superoneclick legitimately access root?
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I read that as meaning you should obtain the app from a legit source, NOT that you should get root access from a legit source. Considering the number of users that have used and suggest SuperOneClick, I'd say that's a fine/safe rooting process.
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I read that as meaning you should obtain the app from a legit source, NOT that you should get root access from a legit source. Considering the number of users that have used and suggest SuperOneClick, I'd say that's a fine/safe rooting process.
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ahh, gotcha. i read it that way now too, thanks.
rooted. thanks for the input everyone.
Hi Mates,
I have a HTC One X (not rooted yet) which had a very slow and poor performance... something like 92% usage of RAM... icons, menus and the phone in general was lacking and very slow.
I looked in "Settings" > "Apps" > "Only Running Apps"... and here it showed that 0,93 GB out of 0,95 GB was used like this:
"Settings" was using around 81 MB
"GO Launcher EX" = 33 MB
"GO TaskManager EX" = 23 MB
"HD Widgets" = 17 MB
"Swiftkey" = 30 MB
All the others apps are using 10 MB or below.
Note: A lot of the apps was showing the text "Rebooting"...
After this check I decided to make a clean install by restoring my HTC One X to factory default, format the internal SD card, and then start all over from scratch.
I did not use any backup tools for my apps, so I did everything manually to setup and install the phone again... like from new out of the box.
Now I am back, having installed my nearly 290 apps from Google Play market... the phone now show the exact same performance problem.
I understand that the primary benefit of a rooted phone is that you can install whatever ROM software you prefer... and that you have better control of the memory, and can setup which apps should NEVER start unless clicked on manually, and which should be running... so a better performance and the possibility to use a ROM with better features that what comes with the HTC One X out of the box...?!
So if this is true, then I have considered to root my phone soon... if none of you have great news for me on how to increase performance on my existing platform / phone.
I have been told that rooting my phone is very easy, just search XDA Developers website and Youtube for instructions... also I have been recommended to use the ROM named INSERT COIN, and to get hold of something named "unlockcode.bin"... but I am quite worried and nervous about rooting my phone based on these hints, because I have realized that there are several root guides available, different all in one software and many Youtube videos, so I was looking for some guidance on this too, in case you can provide me with weblinks to a secure root procedure, and possible a good and trusted Youtube video.
Note: I have a HTC One X which is not locked to any specific mobile service provider, so I am not sure if this means that I can skip the unlock code bin thing...?!
Does anyone of you have time to help me with these questions above, please?
Many thanks in advance.
Kind regards,
Osukido
You've probably got too many apps trying to all run at the same time
Sent from my HTC One X using xda premium
290 apps.. you're serious eh?
If so post a list and ppl might point out some obvious resource hoggers? Other than that, I think 290 might be a bit overdone?
Also, trying not to offend you but it appears you're better off reading up on the guides first and figure out why what is required to prevent a 'help I've tried to flash ........ And now my phone doesn't boot' topic. It appears you've got some facts mixed up and they can be straightened out by reading some basic root info/guides/faq's.
Maybe someone else who has such a sheer amount of apps installed can comment on the performance?
290 apps.. must be havoc in the background!!
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you have to use a custom rom and use an application like autorun manager
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you have to use a custom rom and use an application like autorun manager
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but autorun manager etc aren't also good better to use greenify ....that's a really good app....
and 290 apps are too much, now you now why you have problems...then there are some apps which are ALWAYS in background etc....
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Osukido said:
Hi Mates,
I have a HTC One X (not rooted yet) which had a very slow and poor performance... something like 92% usage of RAM... icons, menus and the phone in general was lacking and very slow.
I looked in "Settings" > "Apps" > "Only Running Apps"... and here it showed that 0,93 GB out of 0,95 GB was used like this:
"Settings" was using around 81 MB
"GO Launcher EX" = 33 MB
"GO TaskManager EX" = 23 MB
"HD Widgets" = 17 MB
"Swiftkey" = 30 MB
All the others apps are using 10 MB or below.
Note: A lot of the apps was showing the text "Rebooting"...
After this check I decided to make a clean install by restoring my HTC One X to factory default, format the internal SD card, and then start all over from scratch.
I did not use any backup tools for my apps, so I did everything manually to setup and install the phone again... like from new out of the box.
Now I am back, having installed my nearly 290 apps from Google Play market... the phone now show the exact same performance problem.
I understand that the primary benefit of a rooted phone is that you can install whatever ROM software you prefer... and that you have better control of the memory, and can setup which apps should NEVER start unless clicked on manually, and which should be running... so a better performance and the possibility to use a ROM with better features that what comes with the HTC One X out of the box...?!
So if this is true, then I have considered to root my phone soon... if none of you have great news for me on how to increase performance on my existing platform / phone.
I have been told that rooting my phone is very easy, just search XDA Developers website and Youtube for instructions... also I have been recommended to use the ROM named INSERT COIN, and to get hold of something named "unlockcode.bin"... but I am quite worried and nervous about rooting my phone based on these hints, because I have realized that there are several root guides available, different all in one software and many Youtube videos, so I was looking for some guidance on this too, in case you can provide me with weblinks to a secure root procedure, and possible a good and trusted Youtube video.
Note: I have a HTC One X which is not locked to any specific mobile service provider, so I am not sure if this means that I can skip the unlock code bin thing...?!
Does anyone of you have time to help me with these questions above, please?
Many thanks in advance.
Kind regards,
Osukido
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Well, the first things I would point out would be...if you are unrooted and have not yet installed a custom ROM then you are fully stock?
Your GoLauncher and HD Widgets will be killing the RAM since even with them, Sense is still being loaded into memory in the background.
There's you low memory right there.
WTF why do you need whole Google Play market downloaded on your phone? Hahahha 290 apps. This is not a PC man. Its a phone. And you wonder where all performance is? LOL
Hi Mates,
Thanks for all your feedback and help!
I understand that it seems I have many more apps installed compared to you senior people.
I use my phone for many things, both for private and work related stuff, and in Denmark, Europe - where I live, there are plenty of apps around from shops, companies, Government, healthcare, news and TV stations etc. - you name it - also I use apps from the UK and USA, as I have relation to those countries - so actually I have ZERO games installed, but at the moment 251 useful apps installed (I had 290 before I restored my phone) - for things I check up on daily, weekly or monthly... some are you tools like calculator, measurement, convert apps etc. - and 20 apps or so was pre-installed with Android OS itself.
Well, in would have expected that the Android OS would not start all or most of the 251 apps in the background, but only when I use the specific app it should be started, and most of the rest should be in hibernate status... but I realize that the Android OS is not so clever, that it can be setup which apps to run, and which to postpone when not using them...
Then I also understand from your feedbacks, that then I need to root my phone, so that I can install an app like "greenify – root" where I can perform these settings for which apps should be running, and which should not... which I would call a missing Android feature, and something I expected to be able to do on a smartphone from out of the box, but never mind.
@ Tigerlight:
I am unrooted, so I fully agree with you that the Sense is loaded in the background, also that I see many apps running in the background, and I cannot control them, and decide which should hibernate so that only the apps I open should be running, and a few more for mail and weather etc.
This leaves me with a new challenge, or question from my first opening text in this thread... which is that I would now like to root my HTC One X phone, and install the ROM named INSERT COIN... but as I am a newcomer to this world of rooting phones, and as some of you might have seen, then I failed rooting my first old HTC Desire HD phone, so it was not able to boot afterwards... then I would be very pleased if some of you senior people could help me out with some links to which steps I need to perform on my HTC One X in order to root it.
I would be very pleased to do all by myself, and read info/guides/faq's - so that I can learn and become more experienced in this area... but it seems that there are several different YouTube videos, and several different guides on how to root this phone, so all I am asking is for some links to trusted and secure guides and download of the correct INSERT COIN ROM, so that I will not end up in trouble like last time...
Thanks in advance.
Kind regards,
Osukido
Osukido said:
Hi Mates,
Thanks for all your feedback and help!
I understand that it seems I have many more apps installed compared to you senior people.
I use my phone for many things, both for private and work related stuff, and in Denmark, Europe - where I live, there are plenty of apps around from shops, companies, Government, healthcare, news and TV stations etc. - you name it - also I use apps from the UK and USA, as I have relation to those countries - so actually I have ZERO games installed, but at the moment 251 useful apps installed (I had 290 before I restored my phone) - for things I check up on daily, weekly or monthly... some are you tools like calculator, measurement, convert apps etc. - and 20 apps or so was pre-installed with Android OS itself.
Well, in would have expected that the Android OS would not start all or most of the 251 apps in the background, but only when I use the specific app it should be started, and most of the rest should be in hibernate status... but I realize that the Android OS is not so clever, that it can be setup which apps to run, and which to postpone when not using them...
Then I also understand from your feedbacks, that then I need to root my phone, so that I can install an app like "greenify – root" where I can perform these settings for which apps should be running, and which should not... which I would call a missing Android feature, and something I expected to be able to do on a smartphone from out of the box, but never mind.
@ Tigerlight:
I am unrooted, so I fully agree with you that the Sense is loaded in the background, also that I see many apps running in the background, and I cannot control them, and decide which should hibernate so that only the apps I open should be running, and a few more for mail and weather etc.
This leaves me with a new challenge, or question from my first opening text in this thread... which is that I would now like to root my HTC One X phone, and install the ROM named INSERT COIN... but as I am a newcomer to this world of rooting phones, and as some of you might have seen, then I failed rooting my first old HTC Desire HD phone, so it was not able to boot afterwards... then I would be very pleased if some of you senior people could help me out with some links to which steps I need to perform on my HTC One X in order to root it.
I would be very pleased to do all by myself, and read info/guides/faq's - so that I can learn and become more experienced in this area... but it seems that there are several different YouTube videos, and several different guides on how to root this phone, so all I am asking is for some links to trusted and secure guides and download of the correct INSERT COIN ROM, so that I will not end up in trouble like last time...
Thanks in advance.
Kind regards,
Osukido
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You don't want to go to youtube for rooting guides. Most of the times the files linked in youtube are outdated and you might end up in a bootloop or soft brick. It is very hard to brick a HTC one X so if you just read what you have to do, and KNOW what you are doing to your phone you should be fine. Just make sure you know what you do, when you do it, and what can happen. I suggest using Philz touch recovery (CWM based, since the newer versions of CWM cannot use touch.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2069904
Stefan0vic said:
You don't want to go to youtube for rooting guides. Most of the times the files linked in youtube are outdated and you might end up in a bootloop or soft brick. It is very hard to brick a HTC one X so if you just read what you have to do, and KNOW what you are doing to your phone you should be fine. Just make sure you know what you do, when you do it, and what can happen. I suggest using Philz touch recovery (CWM based, since the newer versions of CWM cannot use touch.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2069904
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thanks for the link !
I've recently come into possession of practically new Xperia Play. And while I know it's specs are less than ideal nowadays, I figured there must be something that can be done to it in order to turn it into a relatively good console. So, I wanted to ask you all if this is possible. I've rooted and put on Custom ROMs on phones before, but never on something this... old?
To be clear, playing games is basically the one and only thing I want to do with this Xperia Play. If I can get to GBA emulation I'd be thrilled, but I can understand if something like that is impossible. Overall, I just wanted to ask you about your recommendations of Custom ROM and Kernel, which SD of which Class and Capacity should I get for it (because I know I'll have to use that in addition to making that SD internal storage somehow, I appreciate advice on that as well), and which consoles can I "reliable" emulate and play in it.
Thanks to everyone for your time.
hello, i just got one myself and from the research I have done it seems its more than capable of emulaiting GBA games. that being said the whole process of "jailbreaking" the device is still a little hazy for me. im trying to find the ost recent guide on how to do so but no real luck so far. iv rooted/jailbroken/modded several systems in my life time but never something like this.....hybrid.... to I consider it a hand held console or an android device (probably the later).
cant wait to have it up and running!!!
EDIT: apparently this is a taboo question. youre just meant to test them all and see which one fits you best... see...
https://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2157425
SwisSwiss said:
hello, i just got one myself and from the research I have done it seems its more than capable of emulaiting GBA games. that being said the whole process of "jailbreaking" the device is still a little hazy for me. im trying to find the ost recent guide on how to do so but no real luck so far. iv rooted/jailbroken/modded several systems in my life time but never something like this.....hybrid.... to I consider it a hand held console or an android device (probably the later).
cant wait to have it up and running!!!
EDIT: apparently this is a taboo question. youre just meant to test them all and see which one fits you best... see...
https://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2157425
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My recommendation is to follow that FAQ link and figure out how to unlock the bootloader, then root the phone. Then just use Root Explorer or some other app to delete unnecessary system apps to free up the internal storage. Don't bother with custom roms and kernels unless you really want to and feel comfortable with it, it just makes it more difficult to deal with. While the device is old, the emulators has improved, so it's not necessary to put custom rom to have a good experience.
The main problem with this phone is lack of internal storage. I recommend to not sign into Google account and not use the Playstore, by the time it updates Playstore and Google Play services, it takes up the entire's phone space (not that there's even enough space to do so) and slow down the entire phone. Just sideload apps.
For the Verizon model R800x, if I remember correctly you can't officially unlock the bootloader, but it run stock Android, instead of the skin version and is pretty light weight. I would just root and delete the bloatware apps. It's possible to install CWM recovery after rooting. I did remember using a third party kernel for R800x device, but I don't remember how I unlocked the bootloader if I did. I rather not care about it now because the R800i GSM version is much more recommended. I remembered the kernel and custom roms were unstable with the R800x, so except for rooting, I really don't think it's worth the time do go to such a depth with this device at this point.
eksasol said:
My recommendation is to follow that FAQ link and figure out how to unlock the bootloader, then root the phone. Then just use Root Explorer or some other app to delete unnecessary system apps to free up the internal storage. Don't bother with custom roms and kernels unless you really want to and feel comfortable with it, it just makes it more difficult to deal with. While the device is old, the emulators has improved, so it's not necessary to put custom rom to have a good experience.
The main problem with this phone is lack of internal storage. I recommend to not sign into Google account and not use the Playstore, by the time it updates Playstore and Google Play services, it takes up the entire's phone space (not that there's even enough space to do so) and slow down the entire phone. Just sideload apps.
For the Verizon model R800x, if I remember correctly you can't officially unlock the bootloader, but it run stock Android, instead of the skin version and is pretty light weight. I would just root and delete the bloatware apps. It's possible to install CWM recovery after rooting. I did remember using a third party kernel for R800x device, but I don't remember how I unlocked the bootloader if I did. I rather not care about it now because the R800i GSM version is much more recommended. I remembered the kernel and custom roms were unstable with the R800x, so except for rooting, I really don't think it's worth the time do go to such a depth with this device at this point.
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thank you for the reply and insightful information ekasol. glad tzo hear i wont have to play around with custom roms, im not afraid of the idea but if i can keep it simple would be better. its an 800i so we should be clear too open the bootloader.
SwisSwiss said:
thank you for the reply and insightful information ekasol. glad tzo hear i wont have to play around with custom roms, im not afraid of the idea but if i can keep it simple would be better. its an 800i so we should be clear too open the bootloader.
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If you already managed to root the phone you're good to go, but if you haven't customize it too much, hold off for now. I'm making a comprehensive guide that will cover all the basics, tips, and useful apps that make this device run great. I saved a lot of firmware and files that are difficult to find anymore. Guide will be done soon, in one or two days.
edit: check here https://forum.xda-developers.com/xperia-play/general/2020-guide-rooting-xperia-play-tips-t4041221
eksasol said:
If you already managed to root the phone you're good to go, but if you haven't customize it too much, hold off for now. I'm making a comprehensive guide that will cover all the basics, tips, and useful apps that make this device run great. I saved a lot of firmware and files that are difficult to find anymore. Guide will be done soon, in one or two days.
edit: check here https://forum.xda-developers.com/xperia-play/general/2020-guide-rooting-xperia-play-tips-t4041221
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fantastic timming, getting the play in 2 days.