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Stop the debacle and concern on whether or not the 1700mah, 1600mah 1500mah blah blah blah batteries are better than stock.. I have a LOT of experience with Li-Po and Li-Ion batteries (cell phones use Li-Ion technology) and I can tell you WITHOUT a doubt that all these knock off companies are full of SH^* trying to say there batteries are of a higher capacity than the stock battery while staying the same size. Although it is possible to cram more mah into the same size package with li-ion batteries it is VERY unlikely to be able to do so with the current technology out right now. Most of these companies rate their mah on a different scale and actually will pull the battery to a lower voltage to justify their claims when it dosent matter because cell phones have a safety feature that has to shut the phone down at the specified voltage to prevent fires. Yes fires, Li-Ion has a fire risk if it is depleted all the way, not the same risk as a Li-Po battery but a risk just the same. HTC has a separate department that deals specifically with batteries and I can assure you they know and use the most up-to-date batteries they can get their hands on for these devices. There is nothing for them to gain by using inferior batteries in our phone. Those that have purchased the seidio 1600 extended battery and claim to have a better life on the phone are under a placebo effect. If you are just purchasing this "Extended" battery as a spare than buy all means go right ahead but dont expect a miraculous two hours extra from it because it is of lesser quality than the stock battery. I have hundreds of dollars in battery testing and logging equipment and If you guys dont believe me i will run some tests on the stock vs. whichever battery you'd like me too and post the data for all to see, but Ive been down this road before with htc phones and have always come up with the same conclusion......The aftermarket "Extended" batteries actually have less mah's than their stock counterparts.
Of course Im not referring to the htc extended battery in this post, its obviously pushing more mah's with its monstrous size, lol.
....just sayin..
Oh' and to elaborate because Ive also read some concerns over the length of time for charging the thunderbolt (which does seem lengthy I will admit).
Since our phone has such a hard time time keeping up with a normal days use I believe what htc has done is given the battery a longer "saturation charge" for the battery to completely charge before it completes the charge cycle.
Li-ion batteries are charged on a 3 cycle charge system and stage two is what is considered the saturation cycle where the battery may sit at a relatively static voltage for a period of time to saturate the cells with current to top off the charge, some cell phones skimp on this step to give the phone a fast charge time which is termed "charge-and-run" and people assume the device has been adequately charged when it has not. For an adequate "FULL" charge without harming the battery or affecting battery life, typically li-ion batteries take approx. 3-4 hours.
So the 3 batteries I got for 12$ on ebay ARE paperweights?
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So the 3 batteries I got for 12$ on ebay ARE paperweights?
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No. The two I bought for $44 are. How much do oem batteries cost?
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I wouldnt go that far, I doubt any of the batteries are "paperweights" yet. Im just making the point that the claims of higher capacity are unfounded and the cheap knock-offs are of lesser quality. Also check where the batteries are made. Good quality Li-ion cells come from Japan.
One thing to note with the cheapies is the temp while charging or under heavy use. Get a temp monitor app and compare between the stock and your aftermarket batteries, they will probably run hotter. Unfortunately I dont have any other batteries to test for you guys other than the stock OEM battery otherwise I would. If I pick any up Ill cycle the stock vs. aftermarket and post the data log between the two.
Also I didnt mean the "fire" comment to worry anyone, Li-ion batteries have protection curcuit that will render the battery useless and unserviceable if the cell reaches a voltage of 2.70v or lower which is where the chemistry of li-ion becomes unstable.
I'll ship your one of the two 1700 when I get it if you wanna test it and post results. Just ask that you ship it back after your done.
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good info, thanks!
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So the 3 batteries I got for 12$ on ebay ARE paperweights?
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ha, I bought the same ones you did.
I didn't expect them to be as good as the 1400 mAh battery that comes with the phone. I just wanted to have a spare battery available in case I'm traveling and watching movies or something (on a plane). Even though it says it's 1500 mAh, I expect them to be more around 1200 - 1400 mAh.
Check this website for some information on similar battery testing.
http://batteryboss.org/
I used their results when I purchased the Seido 3500 for my Evo.
I've used Chinese batteries every chance I get. They do work. From an Eris to the Dinc. 3500mah. Never had a problem. Emails and games etc. I bought the extended battery along with the Tbolt. Just don't like the hump on the back. I'm on eBay every night waiting for the Chinese to strike with a extended battery. At least a Better extended back cover. For $10.99 free shipping ill wait 2 weeks for it. F%$% what u heard their cheap batteries work.
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Every cheap battery I have ever used has worked great.... for 2 weeks.
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For $10.99 free shipping ill wait 2 weeks for it. F%$% what u heard their cheap batteries work.
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lol thats hilarious
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So the 3 batteries I got for 12$ on ebay ARE paperweights?
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ddgarcia05 said:
No. The two I bought for $44 are. How much do oem batteries cost?
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This was the best part of the thread.
Awwz.... Well I DO know of one way.... connect a bunch of AA batteries in parallel, bust out a dremel, and create a frankenbattery!
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I'll ship your one of the two 1700 when I get it if you wanna test it and post results. Just ask that you ship it back after your done.
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I appreciate it bro, but Id rather not be responsible for someone elses battery lol. Im sure Ill get bored soon enough and order up the batts then do some tests just for shi^s and giggles...
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I appreciate it bro, but Id rather not be responsible for someone elses battery lol. Im sure Ill get bored soon enough and order up the batts then do some tests just for shi^s and giggles...
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If you do I recommend you buy the 1500 MyTouch4G batteries from ChiChi's htcexpress or their store on amazon. They should be the same a the 1700 Thunderbolt batteries and $20 cheaper.
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Check this website for some information on similar battery testing.
http://batteryboss.org/
I used their results when I purchased the Seido 3500 for my Evo.
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When I get around to ordering up the batteries Ill post a chart like that on a seperate thread for our phone. I have some pretty sophisticated logging equipment. It shows the temp, charge capacity, voltage, mah, cell balance and health in an easy to read graph.
Im not a battery nerd but I used to be into RC helicopters BIG time and when you have a $5000.00 helicopter that can kill someone its just normal practice to have the equipment to check your $800 batteries so they dont fail 80 feet in the air and blow up or decapitate someone, lol
Heres a video of one of my helicopters (Trex 700 electric) , this one uses two 6s 5000mah li-po batteries and each one costs over $300 and they only last 8 minutes before there dead The video isnt of me however, I need a video camera to post mine but the helicopter is identical for the most part.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ANsH5FZq6XA
(speaking from g1, nexus, and g2 experience only)
i've bought extended batteries for phones for less than $15 each all in the 2400 to 3600 mah range. they last 2-3 days with normal use. the oldest one is 3 years old (g1) and still performs like new.
iirc the seller was based in hongkong.
just saying.
the htc extended battery
personally of all the batteries i have tried this is by far the best one until sedio has an 3500mah then i will be getting that i think
Found this extended battery on ebay, was wondering if anyone on here has tried it, i know it looks hideous, but if you know your making a trip somewhere it could come in handy if it works the way its supposed to. Its cheap as hell too.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/14067375514...XX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1436.l2649#ht_781wt_1165
9 bucks... can't be too great,
but what can you lose? lol
Seems to me that if the larger aftermarket brands have trouble meeting the stated mAh rating on their batteries, what more of unbranded ones that goes for an even lower value?
I also still have very clear memory on exploding phones from third party batteries years ago
I bought a cheapo 3800mah and it lasts barely longer than my stock extended battery. I wish samsung made an official 3800mah version
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I bought a cheapo 3800mah and it lasts barely longer than my stock extended battery. I wish samsung made an official 3800mah version
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Buy 2 stock batteries and solder them together. Works great.
3500 real mah. I didn't think the 2000 extended batteries would fit under the cover from the Hyperion I had here. I agree though, if I can solder it up in an evening, Samsung certainly could work up something.
hopefully more phones in the future will be like the razr and give us a factory extended battery closer to 3000mah.
Razr maxx when I had it for a week was sick! Hard use all day, charged every other day, seriously insane battery life. If that phone ever gets bootloader unlocked, I would be all over it again.
CDMA G-Nex
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ttabbal said:
Buy 2 stock batteries and solder them together. Works great.
3500 real mah. I didn't think the 2000 extended batteries would fit under the cover from the Hyperion I had here. I agree though, if I can solder it up in an evening, Samsung certainly could work up something.
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Have you done this solder thing? Any tips?
if you look at the battery in the phone you can see that there is some space at the top of each terminal, use this space to solder a fine piece of copper wire to a second battery. make sure to solder the batteries in parallel, positive to positive and negative to negative, to retain the same voltage.
i remember taking apart a so called 3500mah battery from ebay and they were just two cheap 1500mah batteries tapped together. Apparently in china 1500X2 is 3500.
Why does everyone want extended batteries? 99% of people have access to a power cord most of the day and just don't need it. Granted, I'm new to the phone, but I really hope I don't need to carry around a huge battery or two. Personally I'd rather charge it more often. Just my own opinion.
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I bought a 3600 mAh extended battery for a few dollars on ebay. Despite the fact that it makes my phone look like a beached whale, it totally got rid of my power shortage anxiety. My most useful ebay purchase so far..
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i remember taking apart a so called 3500mah battery from ebay and they were just two cheap 1500mah batteries tapped together. Apparently in china 1500X2 is 3500.
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Even If it's 1500 that's still 3000mah for less than $10. Pretty good deal.
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Even If it's 1500 that's still 3000mah for less than $10. Pretty good deal.
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they start loosing capacity after the first few charges and became unusable after 3-4 months.
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they start loosing capacity after the first few charges and became unusable after 3-4 months.
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As long as you know that I don't see a problem. Spend $10, use it for 6 months, buy another one. Much better than spending $100 for a mugen.
Even the Samsung batteries lose their capacity over time.
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Have you done this solder thing? Any tips?
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It needed more space than I felt OK taking up in someone else's thread.. So here.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=25115863
Hi,
I am looked several hours for a response to my question, but have not found any answers. I have recently bought a Samsung Galaxy S3 and I am looking for a higher capacity battery, but one that is the same size as the original. I am not looking for the extended batteries that have new backs that come with the sale. The battery should be able to slide right into the phone and attach the original cover. I am perfectly alright with spending a decent amount of money for the improved battery.
Thanks.
Unless someone can prove me wrong, I think all of those listings with higher mah are bs. You're best with just buying a few OEM Samsung batteries. You can also buy the external charger(+phone dock) from Samsung, or a 3rd party one from ebay (charging on ebay one is extremely slow)
i am testing the hyperion battery 4000mah right now, final verdict will be on saturday. doing the charging as per instruction.
Yeah bigger battery but fits under the same back is a myth. Mugen claims to have a 2300 but I am not sure if it is for real.
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Yeah bigger battery but fits under the same back is a myth. Mugen claims to have a 2300 but I am not sure if it is for real.
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they have quality battery in the past. i own 2-3 of their battery and you get what you pay for.
yea the only way would be able to is if they make some modified Chemical for their Cells.
Or (more likely) they just dont follow the same expansion tolerances that OEM manufactures do so they can cram fatter Cells with slightly higher capacity into the same opening in the phone back.
I wouldn't just dimiss the Mugen battery, they're the only one so far that has 3.8v spec on their batt, which from little research is different chem from 3.7v.
And if the phone is regulating the charge, then charging these 3rd party 3.7v batteries with our built in charger will kill these batteries in a hurry.
without NFC and less regulated (less safer) packaging i can see extra 200mAh possible. but not worth $45 IMO>
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And if the phone is regulating the charge, then charging these 3rd party 3.7v batteries with our built in charger will kill these batteries in a hurry.
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Are there any differences between how the phone charge and how these 3rd party devices charge? Won't they all stop when the batteries reach 4.2v? The HTC rezound comes with either a 3.7v or 3.8v battery and I've not seen any indication that swapping batteries is a problem.
i bought 2 for the price of one plus came with a battery dock charger all for $20 delivered i thought i might aswell give it a go as cheap ass.But a day before receiving it i realised we had NFC in our battery which i didnt know and the batteries that i bought dont have NFC.
Can someone explain what nfc if used for and what will happen if use a battery without nfc?
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i bought 2 for the price of one plus came with a battery dock charger all for $20 delivered i thought i might aswell give it a go as cheap ass.But a day before receiving it i realised we had NFC in our battery which i didnt know and the batteries that i bought dont have NFC.
Can someone explain what nfc if used for and what will happen if use a battery without nfc?
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How about you start by telling us where you go these batteries? As for NFC, it stands for Near Field Communications. It can be used in a way to pay for items, or bumping phones together to share information, such as pictures, contacts, etc. I am not a fan of it, I always have it turned off in my phone settings.
NFC:
http://www.lmgtfy.com/?q=what+is+nfc?
I dont know how these are i just received them but because of price i thought why not. so its up to you if you wish to buy them also here is the ebay link
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/2x-3200m...AU_MobilePhoneAccessories&hash=item2a22debe70
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I dont know how these are i just received them but because of price i thought why not. so its up to you if you wish to buy them also here is the ebay link
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/2x-3200m...AU_MobilePhoneAccessories&hash=item2a22debe70
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I bought a 2400mAh battery for my S2 for 5 bucks, yes, FIVE bucks. I was like well hey its cheap enough i wont care if it sucks. Well i got it, and after about 2 full charging cycles, it latest 28 freaking hours with 5 hours screen on time. I was like well 5 bucks was worth it!
So i might just get these as well
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I dont know how these are i just received them but because of price i thought why not. so its up to you if you wish to buy them also here is the ebay link
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/2x-3200m...AU_MobilePhoneAccessories&hash=item2a22debe70
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Anybody else try these out?
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yeah i wish to know as well, seen these tonight on ebay and i will buy them but just wanted to see if anyone else has first. was gonna get the £6.99 single one first as a test. It does say on the sticker under the battery 2100mah so just wondering if running a 3200mah would be detrimental? or is it one of those things manufacturers do and have very large tolerances just to be on the safe side so as not have flaming s3 videos on youtube.
don't these cheap batteries pose a risk of leaking in the phone or something? Like what if the damage the phone!?
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don't these cheap batteries pose a risk of leaking in the phone or something? Like what if the damage the phone!?
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What, where did you hear that? The only thing I have seen people have to worry about with cheap batteries is how much of a charge they hold and how well they actually work. I have seen batteries malfunction due to ****ty car chargers before though but never just a battery fail while in a phone minus ghost stories from trolls on the internet.
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It does say on the sticker under the battery 2100mah so just wondering if running a 3200mah would be detrimental?
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mAh has nothing to do with the amount of current or voltage so I don't know what you mean by manufacturers having large tolerances?? And it wouldn't be detrimental, it would add to your battery life. (as long as the mAh claims are accurate)
Bought this.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/170920078533?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649
these are surely too good to be true? 3200mah in a standard size?
yeah no need for a new back cover
Can anybody say something about how long does the phone works with this battery?
definitely need to get me one of these.
too good to be true
hey i just made some fast research on the seller of the item
i cant link the url apparently because i jus made the account but go ahead and check the ebay sellers' (utigertech) feedback. They are not good.
in short, this battery is fake and some user feedback states that it does not last even longer than the stock 2100mah samsung oem battery
so dont be fooled. If its too good to be true then its probably too good to be true
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Testing of MPJ 3200mah Battery for S3
I have purchased one of the MPJ 3200 mah batteries for the Galaxy S3. I have bench tested the battery over 7 days with multiple charges and discharges.
The results are that the battery is approximately 2000 mah it does not even come close to 3200 mah. The sellor is being misleading on the mah and you are better off buying a standard battery as it has 2100 mah and NFC.
I will try and test a few more batteries in the next couple of weeks..
MPJ 3200 Mah battery review test galaxy s3
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I have purchased one of the MPJ 3200 mah batteries for the Galaxy S3. I have bench tested the battery over 7 days with multiple charges and discharges.
The results are that the battery is approximately 2000 mah it does not even come close to 3200 mah. The sellor is being misleading on the mah and you are better off buying a standard battery as it has 2100 mah and NFC.
I will try and test a few more batteries in the next couple of weeks..
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Thanks for running the tests. Aftermarket battery sellers are notorious for jacking up the mAh rating.
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Superfake, unless they've developed some new kind of technology. Don't think so though lol
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Superfake, unless they've developed some new kind of technology. Don't think so though lol
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Well I bought one and we will see what happens. Its only 12 bucks lol.
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I'm amazed that so many people get sucked in by these fake batteries. There is no battery technology out there that lets you increase the capacity without increasing the size.
This will be a quick one.
My battery is starting to be a bit rubbish, so I am looking at getting a new, higher powered one.
I have found these on ebay that look ok, but I wanted to throw it out to u guys to see if any of u have bought them.....
2100mAh 100% GENUINE SAMSUNG GALAXY S3 i9300 BATTERY 2100mAH NFC FIT GALAXY S3 GT-i9300
2300mAh SAMSUNG GALAXY S3 SIII i9300 HIGH CAPACITY Li-ION SMARTPHONE BATTERY
2850mAh GOLD 2850 mah SAMSUNG GALAXY S3 i9300 Li-ION SMARTPHONE BATTERY
3800mAh 3800mAh High Capacity Battery for Samsung Galaxy S3 i9300
I don't want to go for one of those super high power, double size batteries, cos I like the fact I have a slim phone.
I've had many bricks in the past and I do not want to turn my nice slim S3 into an old Nokia size brick, lolz.
Check out this: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2411923
Maybe gives you some more options.
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I have also been wanting to replace my battery, I just wanted to ask which of the original battery is better i have seen :
cell made in Japan assembled in China
cell made in Korea assembled in Vietnam
cell made in Korea assembled in china
Made in China
Made in Korea
Im sure there are others. I would guess anything made and assembled at same plant would be best, please correct me if im wrong.
You get what you pay for, I pay for a warranty I can trust as cheap batteries are too dangerous.
There's also a specific section for accessories.
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You get what you pay for, I pay for a warranty I can trust as cheap batteries are too dangerous.
There's also a specific section for accessories.
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I get that, totally, and I have been looking at batteries, not their prices, if u know what I mean.
Jut wondering if anyone has had any dealings with these batteries.
Also, I know there is a accessories sections, but this was a question, so I asked it in the Q&A section.
I have only ever used Anchor battery and found them faultless .
Their was a post in Accessories at one time .
jje
Anchor or Anker? I also use Anker, just had a problem with my set of year old ones starting to swell -they replaced them both without quibble.
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I have only ever used Anchor battery and found them faultless .
Their was a post in Accessories at one time .
jje
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Anchor or Anker? I also use Anker, just had a problem with my set of year old ones starting to swell -they replaced them both without quibble.
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I looked on their site and only found a 2200mAh battery, the bigger ones are double sized with the retrofit back plate.
Stock battery is only 2100mAh, so the Anker one isn't that much better =/
If the battery fits inside the standard back plate then it is the same capacity (or even less) as the standard battery, it's physically impossible for it to be any greater. Any advert saying a higher capacity for the same size is lying, so avoid.
Main point about the Anker is having two batteries, so you charge outside the phone and always have a fully charged spare to hand.
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If the battery fits inside the standard back plate then it is the same capacity (or even less) as the standard battery, it's physically impossible for it to be any greater. Any advert saying a higher capacity for the same size is lying, so avoid.
Main point about the Anker is having two batteries, so you charge outside the phone and always have a fully charged spare to hand.
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I'm not going to question ur knowledge about this, but how can u have different mAh "AA" batteries, that are all the same size in that case??
I don't want to have to carry around a second battery with me all the time, this is why I was looking at different bigger capacity batteries =/
You can buy AA batteries in many different forms, alkaline, NiCad, Li-ion etc. Each has a different power density, with Li-ion being the highest. Standard S3 batteries are already the highest density so can't be bettered, if it were that easy then Samsung would have already done it.
The only way to get more capacity is to increase the physical dimensions, don't take my word for it try Wikipedia.
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You can buy AA batteries in many different forms, alkaline, NiCad, Li-ion etc. Each has a different power density, with Li-ion being the highest. Standard S3 batteries are already the highest density so can't be bettered, if it were that easy then Samsung would have already done it.
The only way to get more capacity is to increase the physical dimensions, don't take my word for it try Wikipedia.
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S4's battery isn't much bigger, but capacity is much higher.
Personally I carry two slim zerolemons charged at 40% with me all the time.
me and wife have zerolemon 2300 in our gs3's, fit under original back door and they come with 180day warranty. only downside is no NFC. But to me its the Best 20 buck investment ive made as far as accessories lol.
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The only way to get more capacity is to increase the physical dimensions, don't take my word for it try Wikipedia.
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I am very sorry if I sounded rude in my last post to u, I really didn't mean to, I know nothing about batteries so thank u for the information
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me and wife have zerolemon 2300 in our gs3's, fit under original back door and they come with 180day warranty. only downside is no NFC. But to me its the Best 20 buck investment ive made as far as accessories lol.
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I've found the zerolemon 2300mAh batteries on eBay, HERE and I have also done some web searches about them, they look pretty good and I haven't found any bad reviews. 200mAh bigger than stock, and tested to be that capacity too, so must be true. I'm thinking of going for these, will just have to get a US to UK plug adaptor to go with the charger, lol.
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I am very sorry if I sounded rude in my last post to u, I really didn't mean to, I know nothing about batteries so thank u for the information .
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? No, you weren't at all rude -I wouldn't suggest anyone accept 'internet advise' without cross checking it against something else.
The batteries you've chosen have a modest claim for capacity so are probably genuine. Only drawbacks are the limited warranty and return postage, if ever required. The desktop battery charger I have looks identical, plugs into a standard micro usb charger so you might not need an adaptor.
Has anyone ever tried the momax battery ?
http://shop.momax.net/?sp=&p=6&cat2=637&cat1=113&cat0=46&id=3901&cat1=113&cat0=46&new=&more=&lang=en
Add my vote for the ZeroLemon 2300's. I've been using one for a while and it's great.
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Add my vote for the ZeroLemon 2300's. I've been using one for a while and it's great.
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I've had very good experience with the ZeroLemon 2300 too.
Very good battery life with Carbon ROM.
My friend is also using the Zerolemon battery, I'm still doing fine with my stock battery.