ringdroid - Epic 4G Apps

dont know if this is common knowledge at this point.. but i love the app ringdroid.
I have been finding free ways to chop up mp3s to make ringtones since my OG moto razor days . This app makes it incredibly easy. Maybe this could even turn into a healthy exchange of ringdroid made ringtones? Depends what music everyone listens to.. I generally go for some electro house or heavy dubstep.
lets see if this takes off!
(I know this is not epic specific and it could go in general android, but lets face it.. i would rather see what the epic peepz have to say, we're just more important)

DrKaotica said:
dont know if this is common knowledge at this point.. but i love the app ringdroid.
I have been finding free ways to chop up mp3s to make ringtones since my OG moto razor days . This app makes it incredibly easy. Maybe this could even turn into a healthy exchange of ringdroid made ringtones? Depends what music everyone listens to.. I generally go for some electro house or heavy dubstep.
lets see if this takes off!
(I know this is not epic specific and it could go in general android, but lets face it.. i would rather see what the epic peepz have to say, we're just more important)
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I personaly use gtunes since its a music downloader AND ringtone editor and fairly lite but this app is cool too!
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Free Music Download
I prefer Free Music Download. I think it came as bloatware, but it has a lot more songs than ringdroid and I love the interface to make the ringtones.

ashbuly said:
I prefer Free Music Download. I think it came as bloatware, but it has a lot more songs than ringdroid and I love the interface to make the ringtones.
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I think you're confused. Ringdroid is an audio file splicer. You can splice off a segment of an audio file and save that segment as its own file. General purposes are for creating alarm, notification or call ring tones to save to your local storage.
This app doesn't provide songs or access to a song market/outlet.
https://market.android.com/details?id=com.ringdroid
Now if you are talking about Ringdroid Social, then that is a different story. That version combines the open source Ringdroid project with a social plugin to the "inthru" network. The "inthru" network plugin provides access to a song market/outlet. They are two separate projects and have separate Market pages.
https://market.android.com/details?id=com.ringdroid.social

nikon120 said:
I think you're confused. Ringdroid is an audio file splicer. You can splice off a segment of an audio file and save that segment as its own file. General purposes are for creating alarm, notification or call ring tones to save to your local storage.
This app doesn't provide songs or access to a song market/outlet.
https://market.android.com/details?id=com.ringdroid
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What he said ^^
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MP3 music download
https://market.android.com/details?id=great.app.luck&hl=en
I love this app. Download multiple tracks at once. It has a pretty good library. reminds me of the napster days

Figured there is so many gtunes that aren't real out there or they are outdated so I uploaded my final market official app before it got taken off.(it got taken off back when they were removing music downloaders) This app is a music downloader and it has a built in audio splicer and music player *although I don't recommend the audio player don't even press it, the scan for music takes forever.*
Here once again its not my work so I take no credit for it...
https://www.box.com/shared/yrzrakg7nhaq0hhqoegu
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Favorite Music App?

Just starting a 'entertaining' thread as we wait the last few days for froyo .
I'm currently useing PowerAmp's music player and love it. My favorite feature by far..little weird.. but is when I unplug my headset it instantly pauses.. and waits in the background for anything to plug back into the headphone jack. It plays back up..awesome for quickness.
Was just curious as to what you all use; and some 'unique' feature they may have.
Doh..I'm a little slow tonight; posted in this in the wrong section. Mind helping me with a move mods? Sorry!
Love PowerAmp. Two features that no other player has: view music by folder, and an equalizer. Hands down best player.
The MIUI Music Player, the lyric syncing has to be my favorite part
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=862056
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Project Legacy said:
The MIUI Music Player, the lyric syncing has to be my favorite part
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=862056
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^I stamp that. MIUI is definitely THE Best -- to me.
Player Pro is an awesome music app
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power amp ftw....
PowerAmp hands down
Im on stock 2.2 player. The 5.1 feature just makes my music sound so much better.
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I'm also all about PowerAmp and would 10 star it if I could
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MIUI Music Player. It is simply amazing.
i've tried alot of music players, and i'm kind of a music snob, so they all piss me off.
but my regular music app is mixzing.
meridian has great features but i don't like the ui.
native 2.2 is actually better than most, but it pulls songs into the library from non-my-media folders. one minute: bob dylan. next minute: damn ringtone.
i'm looking forward to trying poweramp, since so many people here like it.
The samsung music player for 2.2 is the best! Disc view is cool. Music controls in notification bar is the best feauture.
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I enjoy Winamp's android app. It's pretty nifty.
I'm using a player called "3". I've used them all, this is great. Easiest playlist generation, it looks great, and the lock screen feature makes life easy.
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I love the 2.2 music player.
Awesome sound effects, controls in the status bar, visualizations, ability to searcha single song to play, and it will continue to play songs from the directory where all the songs are kept. Stays loaded in memory, doesn't stutter.
As far as aftermarket, winamp is great.
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That stock 2.2 player, you can have it pull songs from specific folder (;
Just change the option in category view
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i've tried alot of music players, and i'm kind of a music snob, so they all piss me off.
but my regular music app is mixzing.
meridian has great features but i don't like the ui.
native 2.2 is actually better than most, but it pulls songs into the library from non-my-media folders. one minute: bob dylan. next minute: damn ringtone.
i'm looking forward to trying poweramp, since so many people here like it.
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I feel like I've tried every one on the market.
The 3 features "dream" features, which I can't find together in a single player are:
Gesture fast forwarding & rewinding (Meridian),
"Recently Added" playlist (Meridian and Stock 2.2)
Bookmarking for multiple tracks (a few, but best is Astro Player).
I listen to mostly podcasts, and I'm using Astro Player now, but the UI is excruciating to use.. counterintuitive menus, super pita. But it bookmarks all of my podcasts really well... open to recommendations
readermo said:
native 2.2 is actually better than most, but it pulls songs into the library from non-my-media folders. one minute: bob dylan. next minute: damn ringtone.
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Create a file called ".nomedia" in the directories where you your ringtones and other non-music files are and the media scanner will overlook them, thus preventing your ringtones from showing up in your music library.
audio player with EQ is sooooo sick with the S9-hd bluetooth headphones. you set the 32 herts all the way up and put the 64,125,250 hertz all the way down. then you up the 1k hertz one bar up and then the 8k hertz 4 bars up and the 16k hertz 3 bars up. it sounds like your in a suv with low end punching subs with warm mid range.
you can use any headphones but it has to be noise canceling ear buds

[Q] Ringtone/Music Editor

Can I get some ideas on a decent ringtone editor? I'd like to be able to cut up some of my music and since most of the music is encoded with WMAF I'd need to be able to edit WMAF files. I also have some music downloaded via iTunes so it would be good to also be able to edit m4p files as well.
How about converting m4p files into a format Android likes?
Thanks,
Brian
if your talking about on the device, ringdroid is the best, but it doesn't show up in the market for me so you'll have to go find the apk. it is/was a free app so don't worry about piracy.
on the computer, personally i use Magix Ringtone Maker. it's not free but its built for ringtones. it's worked with any file i've tossed at it and allows up to 4 tracks to be used. and you can also save your work if your working on a complicated ringtone. it's made my life a lot easier since for some of my tones i've combined different parts of a song or put multiple sound clips together and with the 4 tracks it's really nice. you can also boost the volume levels and add fade ins and outs.
http://www.magix.com/us/supplementary-programs/ringtone-maker/
neok44 said:
if your talking about on the device, ringdroid is the best, but it doesn't show up in the market for me so you'll have to go find the apk. it is/was a free app so don't worry about piracy.
on the computer, personally i use Magix Ringtone Maker. it's not free but its built for ringtones. it's worked with any file i've tossed at it and allows up to 4 tracks to be used. and you can also save your work if your working on a complicated ringtone. it's made my life a lot easier since for some of my tones i've combined different parts of a song or put multiple sound clips together and with the 4 tracks it's really nice. you can also boost the volume levels and add fade ins and outs.
http://www.magix.com/us/supplementary-programs/ringtone-maker/
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One other alternative is to use Zedge where you can search for the ringtones you want and download them directly from the app.
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Herman76 said:
One other alternative is to use Zedge where you can search for the ringtones you want and download them directly from the app.
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good point. zedge has a lot of really nice stuff. especially for notifications. i have about a dozen ringtones through them. but still prefer to make my own.
I always used audacity to make mp3 ringtones out of music. I don't know if it works with other types of music files, but for mp3 it's awesome.
ugapug said:
I always used audacity to make mp3 ringtones out of music. I don't know if it works with other types of music files, but for mp3 it's awesome.
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I can't look it up here at work, so I don't know who the dev was, but there was an app in the market called Ringtone Editor Maker that was based on the Ringdroid source code, but added fading in/out functionality. Not sure if it'll show up in the Market for 4.0 devices, but give it a shot.
EDIT: Here it is: Ringtone Maker
+1 for Ringdroid. has done everything i ever wanted it to do. perfectly.
https://market.android.com/details?...ult#?t=W251bGwsMSwxLDEsImNvbS5yaW5nZHJvaWQiXQ..

Best Music App??

While trying to get my music on my GS2, I found the easiest way was through the doubletwist player with Airsync. Seems to be a good player. Was using Google music, but that streams abd uses up my data.
What is your favorite music player???
The stock one works fine, had a few others but none stick out for me.
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I'm between poweramp and ubermusic.
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poweramp. spotify. google music.
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Been using winamp for about a day now. On my computer iTunes manages all my music so I wanted a music player that could sync with iTunes. Winamp does that fine and I like the layout of the player but it has one rather large inconvenience for me: the playlists don't sync. I went into the settings, specified that it sync all my playlists and specified I wanted them on H:\ (my SD card), but nothing :/
I really like Google music. And just so you know, you can save all the to the phone with one press of a button so it doesn't use the data . You can undo it just as easy.
Was on power Amp now I'm using player pro
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I really like poweramp. You can really customize all you want, but for the people who have lots of music that cant fit it all in their phone I guess winamp is good.
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donm76 said:
I really like Google music. And just so you know, you can save all the to the phone with one press of a button so it doesn't use the data . You can undo it just as easy.
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Interesting.....when you do that doesn't it use up your storage space on the phone, being that it is downloaded to the device storage and also does it not use the data to to download it to the phone?
Google music works like this. It stream music from your library to your android device. If you lose connection it can stream past played songs that it has saved. So yes it uses storage, and yes it uses data. But it doesn't use much storage.
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Try doods music streamer from the market.. its pretty awesome
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I was liking stock for a while, but then Raycaster3 told me about PowerAmp, yes you have to pay for it but its by far gives you the most options and great sound quality. I did a test also with it to see how it sounds compared to the stock 5.1 sound. And it sounded the same if not better. Then you mix PowerAmp with a nice set of SkullCandy in ear headphones and your golden. I dont mean anything too expensive either I just went with the $29 ones because they also come with a mic. They are amazing. Oh I guess I also use Google Music because I have 40gigs of music stored in the Google Music Cloud.
PowerAmp user here.
Royalknight6190 said:
I was liking stock for a while, but then Raycaster3 told me about PowerAmp, yes you have to pay for it but its by far gives you the most options and great sound quality. I did a test also with it to see how it sounds compared to the stock 5.1 sound. And it sounded the same if not better. Then you mix PowerAmp with a nice set of SkullCandy in ear headphones and your golden. I dont mean anything too expensive either I just went with the $29 ones because they also come with a mic. They are amazing. Oh I guess I also use Google Music because I have 40gigs of music stored in the Google Music Cloud.
PowerAmp user here.
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Not to brag...but been a long time PowerAmp Pro user since my Nexus One days, and used with my Monster Turbine Gold Ear Buds....nothing short of awesomeness...PS....spent the last two days walking the carpets at the CES Las Vegas extravaganza and and I listened to no less than a dozen competing Ear Bud companies. The Monster Turbines won hands down for purest, smoothest, most pleasing sound quality, IMHO. Oh....I did get to demo a new Headset I saw featured on Fox and Friends before my first trip to the show a couple of days ago. My Bose QC15 noise canceling over the ears headphones got knocked of by a new company I first heard about at the show. ZIK Parrot phones. They work wired as well as Bluetooth wireless. Sound was great but the added features of hand gestures to control volume and track changes was/ is the way of the future. Instead of dealing with unplugging the phones to pause, simply remove from your ears and the music comes to a stop. Put them back on and it starts back where you left off. No price on these since they are not yet released to the public.
But don't even get me going on the best of the event....LG's 55" OLED 3D TV. Will knock anyone's socks off...period, guaranteed, and I will bet the farm on this statement. Thickness = to 3 credit cards stacked!!! Sorry for the slight thread drift, BTW....
Playerpro , lots of features and lovely ui.
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JaZart said:
Playerpro , lots of features and lovely ui.
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Just spent an hour comparing. Yes, I downloaded the much needed DSP pack. PowerAMP WINS, IMHO, hands down. Give it a fair try to compare all aspects. Going thru the menu more preferences is extremely important too.
My 3 favorites in order:
1. ZPlayer - I really love the Zune player on Mango and this is a very good clone of it. It has integrated Shoutcast, a nice UI, a very nice lock screen controls that displays picture of whatever artist is playing as the lockscreen background, artist bio, widgets, equalizer and more. It's missing a few features, such as better playlist creation, but it's a very sexy and stylish player.
2. PowerAmp - The most complete player on the market. Has just about everything I mentioned ZPlayer has (minus Shoutcast and artist bio), in addition to good playlist management. Only cons, is it costs $, doesn't have automatic mixing like the Google player, and no streaming from Google or Amazon. Still just about the best player on the market. Only reason I put Zplayer higher is because I prefer the Zune player look of Zplayer, but that's totally personal preference.
3. Google Music - Great player, but a few things are holding it back. If I have music stored locally, when it syncs with Google it will duplicate the music, so for example I have two Nine Inch Nail artists in Google Music. I wish it would not display the music stored on Google if it already resides locally. Also will always stream by default, even if song is stored locally. Again, they need to make it so that it looks to see if song is stored locally and play that instead of reverting to streaming everything. Automatic mixing only available for streamed music (FYI, when I mention automatic mixing, I'm referring to the feature that is similar to Genius on apple devices - both iTunes on iPhone and Zune on WP7 offer this feature for music stored locally, Google player does not). Interface is a bit clunky.
Those are my personal 3 favorites. If I could find one that marries the UI of ZPlayer, with the features of PowerAmp and streaming capabilities of Google Music, it would be perfect.
Thanks,
Very informative. I loved Google Music, but with Tmobile throttling, not feasable. Is there a hack to get around the throttling?
ScottBroker said:
Thanks,
Very informative. I loved Google Music, but with Tmobile throttling, not feasable. Is there a hack to get around the throttling?
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Look for a thread in the General section. Use Throttling for a search. You will find it Read the thread and specifically go here.
https://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=10151082945165054
This was referenced in the thread and goes into more detail.
I don't know how long this is going to work, but I have tested this myself and it does indeed keep yopu separated from T-Mobiles grasp on your data usage. I have the feeling this won't last long, based on too many people talking in the open.
EDIT..many of the Roms are also including hacks that help the throttling issue, but not like this which all together bypasses the counting.
For me it's really a two way tie. Poweramp and miui music.
hiki player > everything else
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I underestimated the stock Music Player...

Seriously, it sounds awesome with Perseus audio tweaks and a little bit of tweaking within the player itself. I'm not a big fan of the UI, but it honestly just works.
The only reason I'm switching over is because PlayerPro's EQ and DSP pack were giving me issues. The "bass" knob was going...backwards.
PowerAmp is hideous IMO, but sounds good. Neutron isn't really user friendly, but it sounds epic.
Walkman is nice, but Ac!d audio along with it gave me FC's in Sound Enhancement. (Anyone know how to fix this?)
Anyway,
Perseus headphone amplification up to 63, a u-shaped EQ with +2 and -2 being the limits, negative gain on 1, stereo expansion on 6.
Mild bass/clarity adjustments in the music player, +1 on 3D, +1 on room size.
What can I say, I'm happy. My ATH-M50's suddenly have a new life.
I may flash Ac!d universal again and see how it sounds. I do feel like I can get a bit more sub-bass out of these cans.
Thoughts?
I love the stock music player. The only reason why I'm using poweramp (I like its asthetics fyi but let's ignore that for this discussion) is because of the ability to choose the folders that I want. With the stock music player, it pulls music from my dropbox and also voice recordings. With poweramp, I can prevent that which is better for me. I would use the stock music player otherwise. It also helps when I won a license key from poweramp a while back.
koreancanuck said:
I love the stock music player. The only reason why I'm using poweramp (I like its asthetics fyi but let's ignore that for this discussion) is because of the ability to choose the folders that I want. With the stock music player, it pulls music from my dropbox and also voice recordings. With poweramp, I can prevent that which is better for me. I would use the stock music player otherwise. It also helps when I won a license key from poweramp a while back.
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PowerAmp ftw. Been using it for a while. Well worth the price unless you won a copy like above lol.
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Since you guys seem to love it, and more to the point, use the stock player, I have a simple question.
When you open the player, say from the widget, how do you get back to a menu where you can open/switch-to a new playlist.
So far I only found that possibility when I open the app using the standard icon.
That annoyance has driven me to use apollo pro (a beefed up version of the player on CM9+ firmwares).
I have one major problem with the stock player (though it's really the os default behavior). I have a lot of music on my 64gb sd card (50gb?) and when I open the stock player it freezes while it rescans it all (about a min) - same on closing the player - very annoying. It does it every time so I use Player Pro which opens instantly for music and just use the stock player for podcasts. The other plus for me is Player Pro shows the album art on the lockscreen. I have no issues with the audio quality of either, though I also like and use the controls in Perseus stweaks.
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I have 38gb of 320kbps MP3's, no freezing issues here in any player at all!
Yeah combo of stock music and google play has replaced poweramp. Like the way google play creates playlist and stock player music squares.
Poweramp is in need of a major update. Been using it for years and its getting dated.
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If PowerAmp fixed its playlist issues, I'd probably use it again lol.
koreancanuck;37397874 said:
reason why I'm using poweramp is because of the ability to choose the folders that I want.
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This. The stock music player will happily play every media file on the damn phone, not just my music.
I haven't used a SINGLE stock music player in Android ever due to this issue.
I'm a playlist user. I use iSyncr for mac to get all my music on there, it all shows up fine.
I can agree about folders though. I have used them from time to time, PowerAmp did that job pretty well.
Cant u choose wich folder to play on stock player too? I like the stock player as well.
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I still haven't found a third party music app better than PlayerPro. Stock music player is actually quite good (probably the best stock player I've used) but I can't customize it in the same way I can with PlayerPro. And when you combine PlayerPro with the "Equalizer" app (paid version), it's a wrap!
No one likes winamp? I've been using it on pc since I was a kid and the app seems good. Shoutcast radio is also a plus.
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You guys know you can add a no media file for random music files like ringtones and game files.
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silentecho13 said:
I'm a playlist user. I use iSyncr for mac to get all my music on there, it all shows up fine.
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Ahh! That's why it was choking and scanning forever - I have no playlists and the music player interface always opened where I left it - on the Songs page/tab. If I leave the interface showing the Playlist tab, it opens without a lag! Now to add a playlist...
Ugh. Using the app to add the playlist is problematic, no impossible. I can choose individual songs to add to the playlist, but as soon as I choose "Select All" it freezes (and never completes the task). Then I tried to make the playlist with various apps but I couldn't get any to make a playlist of all songs given my directory structure (All Music > Genre > Artist > CD). Hmm... What should I call it - suboptimal? ...I finally did make a playlist with my PC version of Winamp (mounting the phone with SGS3 Easy UMS), but I'll probably keep using the Player Pro.
Thank you for that comment though as it explained my problem and gave a workaround (make a playlist with an external app), but I think I have to stick with the opinion that the stock player is poorly made... Though perhaps it would be more correct to say that the Android media scanning default behavior is just crazy bad and needs to be changed - then all the stock music apps would probably work fine. The Gallery app by the way suffers from similar problems for the same reason...
How do you get it to pull from dropbox?
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nemesis_9 said:
No one likes winamp? I've been using it on pc since I was a kid and the app seems good. Shoutcast radio is also a plus.
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I use Winamp Pro. Has an equalizer and plays FLAC. I also bought the Album Washer and Lyrics addons. Can't go wrong with that.
intruda119 said:
You guys know you can add a no media file for random music files like ringtones and game files.
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.nomedia files cause the system to ignore ringtones, and then you can't use them as ringtones.
Dr. Evo said:
"Equalizer" app (paid version), it's a wrap!
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This is a big plus, I'm using this Equalizer (unlock version) to save the presets + Power amp + Good quality headphones = Solved..
tpowell.ca said:
Since you guys seem to love it, and more to the point, use the stock player, I have a simple question.
When you open the player, say from the widget, how do you get back to a menu where you can open/switch-to a new playlist.
So far I only found that possibility when I open the app using the standard icon.
That annoyance has driven me to use apollo pro (a beefed up version of the player on CM9+ firmwares).
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When you open the player, say from the widget, how do you get back to a menu where you can open/switch-to a new playlist. I was confused by this too. If you use the widget, open the app with the lower right icon. Using the back button, you can move between main screen, playlist screen and song screen.

Block a mp3 file from player?

Hello XDA, I have a few audiobooks that I have ripped from CD and put them on my phone as >mp3 files...does anyone know of a way to "block" them from the music player apps?...its annoying when you want to rock out going down the road and song is over and starts playing a chapter of my book...lol...maybe they could be renamed or something or converted into a diff format perhaps?..Any help is greatly appreciated...Dirty
Well I use Player Pro and I know there's a setting that let's you choose or restrict which directories the player will look for music. This option is definitely helpful as before I started taking advantage of it, sound bytes from downloaded games would appear in my list of songs.
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+1 Get a real audio player (Poweramp).
Dirtylarry11 said:
Hello XDA, I have a few audiobooks that I have ripped from CD and put them on my phone as >mp3 files...does anyone know of a way to "block" them from the music player apps?...its annoying when you want to rock out going down the road and song is over and starts playing a chapter of my book...lol...maybe they could be renamed or something or converted into a diff format perhaps?..Any help is greatly appreciated...Dirty
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With out purchasing anything... make some playlist. Other wise get a poweramp as it has my vote too.
Use some sort of file browser, browse to mp3 file. Place a period at the very beginning of the file name using the rename feature of the file browser.
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Get folder player app that will play directory you want.
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You can download hideitpro from play store and hide the audiobooks that way.

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