Develop Bugs

People posting in the wrong forum

why in the hell is it so hard to put a question in the Q&A forum instead of the development forum? i don't get it. wtf is the deal with some of you people?

Not only that, but questions that can be easily answered with a simple search.

i believe this should be in general

I upgraded from an eris to a Droid x. Can you help me root and get free aps? -thanks in advance.
luvit

luvit said:
I upgraded from an eris to a Droid x. Can you help me root and get free aps? -thanks in advance.
luvit
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rolflmao...

Maybe we should all dedicate at least a week to intensely answering questions here and ignoring them in the dev section. perhaps people would get it. or maybe punish them for posting in the wrong forum (i know some forums have a probation setting so you don't have to ban them, they just can't post for a certain amount of time or something)

Most people posting in the wrong section are here for quick answers and prob dont read the site too much. You won't change anything, there are hordes of them.

Morph, this is a forum. This is where everyone anonymously shows how less awesome they are than you. Each post should increase your awesomeness.

It's hard to deal with but I'm not going to lose any sleep over it. lol
Oh and as long as there are new people who don't read the rules we will always have this problem. Sounds like the probation suggestion might be a way to battle this problem.
morph3k said:
why in the hell is it so hard to put a question in the Q&A forum instead of the development forum? i don't get it. wtf is the deal with some of you people?
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Honestly, just no one should answer any questions that are created in the Dev section. The only thing that should be posted if one is made is that it is not in the correct forum. People always complain that "people are so mean", thats not the case. It's about reading the rules and using common sense.
You post a QUESTION in the Q&A section, no one can be "mean" about you posting it there, thats why we have a Q&A forum... for questions that need answers.

why ten post

All I want is to post my questions and answers in the rom forum of my choice

ya, i thought that was dumb too. i dont really care about the rest, just trying to figure out this rom

What rom would the be

The ten post limit is because alot of new members post questions in the dev section. If you are a general user of xda then a ten post limit is nothing.
Maybe try a different heading thay describes your problem in a nutshell. By the way what is your problem, you never said.
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Answer in this thread ten times and you will get your ten post
I agree with the ten post rule and actually believe it should be a higher number
Or even better if you had to be approved by a mod to be able to.post in the Dev section
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Yeah, it is not that hard to get ten posts. Besides all you really need to do is read for a while. The development section is for the pros not for the questions that have been asked a thousand times
That is what this section is for!

i8qbert said:
Yeah, it is not that hard to get ten posts. Besides all you really need to do is read for a while. The development section is for the pros not for the questions that have been asked a thousand times
That is what this section is for!
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You could at least post your "10" in different threads....

If they want the development section to be developers, than I can understand that but it seems strange to ask a question about say, Myn's Warm TwoPointTwo here rather than on a thread about it.

srvxda said:
If they want the development section to be developers, than I can understand that but it seems strange to ask a question about say, Myn's Warm TwoPointTwo here rather than on a thread about it.
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Not at all, actually. While myself and others are also guilty of posting such banter in ROM threads, that isn't where it actually belongs. Questions posted in the ROM threads should be posted only if they're concerning the actual development of the ROM rather than the usual "how do I...?" or "wow, this Rom is great, thanks dev!".
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=713251
It appears a reminder may be in order, about the purpose of the development fora on XDA.
If you have developed a ROM, or are working with others to do so, the development forum is somewhere to discuss and share ideas, post useful feedback and logs or crash dumps, and to discuss a common goal developers are trying to achieve.
It is NOT the place to post your question because it gets higher traffic, or because more experienced users frequent it. Doing this just annoys those who are working on the device, and drives them away. Developers don't want to wade through 20 threads of "Help me urgently" to find their threads for porting and fixing camera issues etc. Similarly, if a thread is designated as discussion for developers say, porting a camera fix, please do not post in there asking "When will it be ready?", "Can I flash this yet?" etc. This is both completely disrespectful to those working on the project (you evidently haven't read the important posts in the thread), and also is making it harder for developers to find comments from other developers or testers when required.
Similarly, don't make loads of "Thanks for your work here" posts in an active development thread. It's just as annoying to developers as asking when something will be ready. If a ROM is complete, then go ahead and thank the developer if you wish, but don't go into threads for devs only, and interrupt it to post "thanks". It's basically spamming, and is treated as such.
If you are posting in development, you should have read every sticky and notice there, and should be actively developing or helping in the development of something. Developing isn't installing a ROM, or using a tweak, it's creating a ROM or other hack or tweak. If you haven't read for several days before starting out on XDA, you are likely about to ask something already solved. I registered on XDA when I first wanted to post, and that was to join in a discussion on something. Sure, join up and ask a question, but read the information available in General and Q&A first, as your question will have been asked before. Search is your friend here, become familiar with it.
Regarding when to post in development if you are not actually developing something, there is one occasion where it's acceptable. If you find a leak of a new ROM, which isn't already posted, and you verify it's legitimacy via either running it, or based on the source you obtained it from, then this is assisting in development, and should be posted in development. If you want to ask when a leak will be available use search first, then if not already in discussion, open a thread in general or Q&A.
If you have a problem flashing a ROM, this is NOT related to development. It's up to you to determine if it is specific to a particular ROM, and post useful information in that developer's existing thread for the ROM. If it happens on more than one ROM, and isn't a known issue (remember you should read several times more words than you post), then find out what you are doing wrong. Check guides written by others, try to repeat the problem and see if it happens every time. Something needs to be reproducible to be fixed effectively.
Once you have identified what you need help with go to the device Q&A forum (general if device lacks one), and make a clear, informative thread that explains the issue, and what you have tried doing to fix it. Did you re-download the ROM? Did you ask a friend to flash it for you, to reduce chance of user error? What steps (exactly) did you follow? What errors did you see (exact wording)? Did you double check all the steps? Did you do a wipe or hard reset?
If you make a clear, concise, yet detailed post, you will find help forthcoming, and should get the problem sorted very quickly. If someone suggests you try something, report back on what happened, did it work etc. Then, next time someone has this issue and searches, they will find this and have a verified and tested solution.
So remember... before you start a thread in development, ask yourself what you are developing. If you can't answer, then stop, step away from the post button, and think about where you are posting. Would it be better in General or Q&A, or is some more time with your best friend, search, required?
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Ten posts?
I tend to read and only contribute if I have something to say. Not in this case! Now I have to post just to post. Gee this is kinda fun. I think I will start posting meaningless drivel on more topics. Thanks ten post rule!

Ya post Hi in the introduction thread then Thank everyone who welcomed you. Hell, there's at least 2 or 3 post. Then check out the development (apps/games) and find something you want there and thank them for their hard work.
10 posts shouldn't take you more than a few days if you're active. Don't need them anyway as the question you're wanting to ask has already been asked.

10 post is annoying, but I understand the reason. Post.

This is the reason for the 10 post rule.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1121527
I realize that this post had over 100 post, but not the place for their post.

My question is why our devs dont have a dev title instead of Senior Member I mean that why some devs leave XDA and get their own website because they don't get the credit or place that they deserve....??

1107963 said:
My question is why our devs dont have a dev title instead of Senior Member I mean that why some devs leave XDA and get their own website because they don't get the credit or place that they deserve....??
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You need to apply for the dev title only some get it i just found out about it like 2 days ago

JoelZ9614 said:
You need to apply for the dev title only some get it i just found out about it like 2 days ago
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I think that makes sense. That way not just anyone can say I am a dev. I think that with the work your guys do it should have some prestige to it.

Dumb
The only reason I use XDA is as a root resource; this is just irritating that I have to post these ten msgs.

Codename Android... for the Dinc?

Hi all,
I've searched xda and others, and can't confirm whether or not this ROM was ever completed for the Dinc.... anyone got any info on this?
Codename Android
Noob, out.

AFAIK, it never was. No version could ever boot. Even if it ever did, this was a pre-HWA ROM.

Noob better read forum rules before posting
Questions go in Q&A
Developers post threads in Development
Thread moved!
FNM

kennyglass123 said:
Noob better read forum rules before posting
Questions go in Q&A
Developers post threads in Development
Thread moved!
FNM
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Okay, I've read the forum rules, but I need your help.
1. Show me where this is written: "Noob better read forum rules before posting"
2. Show me where this is written: "Questions go in Q&A"
3. Show me where this is written: "Developers post threads in Development"
If you can't provide proof that these three rules exist, out of the very forum rules you expect me to read, should you even be a moderator?
I find questions being asked in all the forums, under all areas. I asked a specific question about a specific ROM that's been in development, that I knew would get answered by the folks who would know best: devs. Therefore, I posted it in Development.

m1tommy said:
Okay, I've read the forum rules, but I need your help.
1. Show me where this is written: "Noob better read forum rules before posting"
2. Show me where this is written: "Questions go in Q&A"
3. Show me where this is written: "Developers post threads in Development"
If you can't provide proof that these three rules exist, out of the very forum rules you expect me to read, should you even be a moderator?
I find questions being asked in all the forums, under all areas. I asked a specific question about a specific ROM that's been in development, that I knew would get answered by the folks who would know best: devs. Therefore, I posted it in Development.
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Are you kidding? All of those rules are common sense.
EDIT: You should watch this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JmvCpR45LKA&feature=youtube_gdata_player
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Albinoman said:
Are you kidding? All of those rules are common sense.
EDIT: You should watch this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JmvCpR45LKA&feature=youtube_gdata_player
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No, they're not common sense, if they were, there wouldn't have been a need to post them.
I'm relatively new to rooting & development, and still learning. But you are moderators, and you have the opportunity to teach & encourage others. But when you forget that Golden Rule of Basic Internet For Grown Ups called "Don't Be An A-hole", you'll blow those opportunities, piss people off and drive them away.
This book may help you: http://www.amazon.com/The-Asshole-Rule-Civilized-Workplace/dp/0446526568

m1tommy said:
No, they're not common sense, if they were, there wouldn't have been a need to post them.
I'm relatively new to rooting & development, and still learning. But you are moderators, and you have the opportunity to teach & encourage others. But when you forget that Golden Rule of Basic Internet For Grown Ups called "Don't Be An A-hole", you'll blow those opportunities, piss people off and drive them away.
This book may help you: http://www.amazon.com/The-Asshole-Rule-Civilized-Workplace/dp/0446526568
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Yes they are...the development section is for development of roms and mods. Your thread is a question so it goes in the Q & A section.
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m1tommy said:
No, they're not common sense, if they were, there wouldn't have been a need to post them.
I'm relatively new to rooting & development, and still learning. But you are moderators, and you have the opportunity to teach & encourage others. But when you forget that Golden Rule of Basic Internet For Grown Ups called "Don't Be An A-hole", you'll blow those opportunities, piss people off and drive them away.
This book may help you: http://www.amazon.com/The-Asshole-Rule-Civilized-Workplace/dp/0446526568
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Ok, since you can't be bothered to look at a sticky in the development section, here you go: READ BEFORE STARTING NEW THREAD! This is DEVELOPMENT section not Q&A/General!!!! <<<<
And I'm sorry, it IS common sense. Have a Question? Post in Q&A (aka Question and Answers). How about a nifty new ROM I'm developing? Sounds like a good place to go is development. I really don't know how to break it down further, honestly. For the record, I'm not trying to be an "A-hole," but you are pushing the limits of common sense.
Now, I gave you the link, so please read it, or have an adult read it for you since you missed it the first time, despite it being a sticky (thus being at the top of the sub-forum). Better yet, read it twice so it all sinks in.
Edit: Read this, too. It's linked in that thread I gave you, but I don't trust you to find it. The True PURPOSE of XDA....Nailed it too the T:
If you read anything on these forums, read this post

Are the posting restrictions too strict?

For a long time I've been a 'silent' reader of the XDA-Forum.
Today I wanted to post a question in the development section of a phone. Therefore I registered a new account for me, but unfortunately I was unable to post the question, as there is a restriction saying you need 10 posts before you were allowed to post in a development section.
As the question is quite important to me, I made up my mind and thought: well, then I've to write 10 posts in different forums, so I'm able to post the original question - does that make sense, I guess not?
Luckily I hit another restriction - as a new user you are only allowed to post every 5 minutes
So the question is, is it really necessary to have these strict posting restrictions (10 posts) on the development section?

You would be amazed by the amount of spammers and random posts we got away by these rules.

Well if you have a question it needs to go in the q/a section for your device. The development section is only for development, this is why the rules are in place to try and prevent stuff being posted in the wrong section
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Once you are past the restrictions, you'll find you can do anything. The reason for these restrictions is because the overarching majority of users who are new here refuse to follow the rules on posting. Therefore, the best way to deal with this is to restrict new users from posting in development areas, as these are the places new users tend to abuse with questions or stupid comments.
Once you're past the restrictions you'll find it's OK

oliman99 said:
...I wanted to post a question in the development section of a phone. Therefore I registered a new account for me, but unfortunately I was unable to post the question, as there is a restriction saying you need 10 posts before you were allowed to post in a development section.?
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This is exactly why these restrictions are in place. It is useful when joining a site to learn how it operates first. If you have a question it should go in the Q&A sections, not in Development.
If you post 10 useful and helpful posts then you should be able to move past the restrictions. Pleae don't be tempted to post spam as these posts will be deleted.
All that said, wlcome to XDA!
WB

I understand that these restrictions were put in place to keep spammers and the "of course i used search and googled it" away, but as being a long time silent observer and have tested roms before my first post and didn't feel the need to have someone hold my hand as I flashed away, I felt that I should inform the developers of the bugs I have found or to simply thank them.
But with these restrictions in place it meant I had to spam some threads to get to 10 posts which always kept me away. Well now I decided to get those 10 posts, registered and started (mildly) spamming. Up to three posts now.
What I'm trying to say is that with these restrictions you are also keeping away some people that know what they are doing (when it comes to flashing and testing roms) and don't feel the need to ask questions that have been answered many times before.
Just my two cents.

zer081 said:
What I'm trying to say is that with these restrictions you are also keeping away some people that know what they are doing (when it comes to flashing and testing roms) and don't feel the need to ask questions that have been answered many times before.
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If People know what they're doing then they should be posting with helpful replies instead of spamming. I bet 99% of the questions/comments from People who start these kinds of threads have already been raised on the original thread or is some noob like comment that doesn't need to be posted in the first place.

The fact that you couldn't be bothered to search and find the other 1,000 threads here complaining about the very same thing is proof such restrictions are needed.

XperienceD said:
If People know what they're doing then they should be posting with helpful replies instead of spamming. I bet 99% of the questions/comments from People who start these kinds of threads have already been raised on the original thread or is some noob like comment that doesn't need to be posted in the first place.
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What he said.
Anyone "kept away" by these restrictions is probably better off on another site anyway.
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I went through the same exact frustration with the posting rules. When I read about making meaningful posts vs spam/non-helpful for the first 10 all I could think of was... "well, I want to make a meaningful post in regards to a particular rom in the development area, but to do so I have to find other avenues that could be helpful."
I've got no issue with the tight rules to keep spam down, but I imagine I would have above 50 posts right now in development areas but I always shrugged it off and made no reply, which is not helpful to anyone. Now I'm in the process of getting my posts so I can finally contribute.

swhitney2003 said:
I went through the same exact frustration with the posting rules. When I read about making meaningful posts vs spam/non-helpful for the first 10 all I could think of was... "well, I want to make a meaningful post in regards to a particular rom in the development area, but to do so I have to find other avenues that could be helpful."
I've got no issue with the tight rules to keep spam down, but I imagine I would have above 50 posts right now in development areas but I always shrugged it off and made no reply, which is not helpful to anyone. Now I'm in the process of getting my posts so I can finally contribute.
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I am a new member but I have been lurking for a while. I was just lazy to make an account but now that I want to get involved with helping developers clear up bugs I cant because I need at least 10 posts. kinda sucks

wendys8 said:
I am a new member but I have been lurking for a while. I was just lazy to make an account but now that I want to get involved with helping developers clear up bugs I cant because I need at least 10 posts. kinda sucks
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If you really need to contact a dev you could always pm him
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zacthespack said:
If you really need to contact a dev you could always pm him
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This is true. I just need to up my post count to 10 I believe anyway so I will just blabber for now lol
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wendys8 said:
This is true. I just need to up my post count to 10 I believe anyway so I will just blabber for now lol
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I think your missing the point, your posts should be useful posts.
Try helping people in the general and QandA sections and not just writing pointless posts
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zacthespack said:
I think your missing the point, your posts should be useful posts.
Try helping people in the general and QandA sections and not just writing pointless posts
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I'm not missing the point, I understand what you are saying, I just believe I could be much more helpful in the development thread, and besides that's the reason I signed up. Not to be forced to go help somewhere I'm not interested in. I came to consult with others in a particular section of the forum specifically and i can't until I go somewhere else and post, that's all I'm trying to say. It's not a huge deal just don't think it necessarily helps me in this case. Although I could see some good reasons as to why they do this.
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wendys8 said:
I'm not missing the point, I understand what you are saying, I just believe I could be much more helpful in the development thread, and besides that's the reason I signed up. Not to be forced to go help somewhere I'm not interested in. I came to consult with others in a particular section of the forum specifically and i can't until I go somewhere else and post, that's all I'm trying to say. It's not a huge deal just don't think it necessarily helps me in this case. Although I could see some good reasons as to why they do this.
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The 10 post rule is there for a cause.To prevent the spamming of dev section.
How can I post in dev section? Simple, you make 10 meaningful posts by helping others as zacthespack already stated.
If you can help others in the development section, then I am pretty sure you can do the same in the General and Q&A section also..And what is it that you want to consult in?
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True, but for myself as a long time reader I have a bug to report on paranoidandroids recent beta. Instead of posting that observation, I find myself trolling forums looking for meaningful things to say to get my 10 posts. Its funny that dd-wrt forums don't have this restriction, and I don't see these spamming issues or silly restrictions. Basically I feel that the community on here is a bit sanctimonious and pompous.
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Well if you have a question it needs to go in the q/a section for your device. The development section is only for development, this is why the rules are in place to try and prevent stuff being posted in the wrong section
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I don't get it. Why would I want to spend my time replying to someone in a Q&A section when they could look up the answer for themselves? That reminds me of students of mine asking a question that's answered in the book in bold text. Are we just enabling noobish people to remain noobs and not think through problems for themselves?
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The 10 post rule is there for a cause.To prevent the spamming of dev section.
How can I post in dev section? Simple, you make 10 meaningful posts by helping others as zacthespack already stated.
If you can help others in the development section, then I am pretty sure you can do the same in the General and Q&A section also..And what is it that you want to consult in?
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i have a serious problem
Dear Sir
iam changing my phone sim 3times continue.
after that iam restarting my phone.
buy my phone hanged at samsung first screen,
after i am updating firm ware using odin.
but my phone not turn on.that is sucked at android factory reset window.
the error is cant unmount sdcard...etc
my phone model is samsung si9003
plz can you help me about my phone how to turn on as usual.
plz suggest me about upgrading.
or give any solution for me plz

d3hilton said:
True, but for myself as a long time reader I have a bug to report on paranoidandroids recent beta. Instead of posting that observation, I find myself trolling forums looking for meaningful things to say to get my 10 posts. Its funny that dd-wrt forums don't have this restriction, and I don't see these spamming issues or silly restrictions. Basically I feel that the community on here is a bit sanctimonious and pompous.
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I don't get it. Why would I want to spend my time replying to someone in a Q&A section when they could look up the answer for themselves? That reminds me of students of mine asking a question that's answered in the book in bold text. Are we just enabling noobish people to remain noobs and not think through problems for themselves?
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dd probably doesn't have close to 5 million users either
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Well, time to close this one as it's just attracting people who want to make ten useless posts. Which will be deleted by the way.....
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[Q] Posts made in Q&A not contributing to 10 posts?

Hey guys, I've been a member for a few years now but have never posted because I didn't have much to contribute at the time. Now that I've decided to post, I'm restricted to the Q&A threads rather than development threads. However, the posts I make there don't count towards my 10 posts? Kind of strange, I was hoping to hit that amount so I can post relevant information to ROMs rather quickly.

tehspamninja said:
Hey guys, I've been a member for a few years now but have never posted because I didn't have much to contribute at the time. Now that I've decided to post, I'm restricted to the Q&A threads rather than development threads. However, the posts I make there don't count towards my 10 posts? Kind of strange, I was hoping to hit that amount so I can post relevant information to ROMs rather quickly.
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This is odd - I've never experienced this before. It could be that there's a forum setting that makes users with >10 posts not have Q&A posts go to their post count, but it certainly doesn'! happen to me.
Are you 100% sure of this, and are you posting in this Q&A forum?

Ahhh...I see what might be causing this - let me check with the Server Admin and get back to you.