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Is it time for a new battery?

my battery is dated at june 30 2010 is it time to get a new one? i have decent battery life but it used to be even better

The time for a new battery is when the battery is dead. Any other time is personal preference.

Doesn't matter when the battery was manufactured. It depends how many full charge cycles you went through.

rakeshchn said:
Doesn't matter when the battery was manufactured. It depends how many full charge cycles you went through.
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Not true. Lithium-ion batteries start corroding the moment they are manufactured. 2 -3 years is the max on one.

The old battery I had only lasts 6 hours so i got a new one and it's much better.

ferhanmm said:
The old battery I had only lasts 6 hours so i got a new one and it's much better.
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mine would barley get 16 hours with light usage so that isnt too bad but i could probably get better with a new one

i got a new battery for my vibrant yesterday and it wont charge past 80 percent. however it sits at 80 for a whille then starts to drain normally.

vabeachfc3s said:
i got a new battery for my vibrant yesterday and it wont charge past 80 percent. however it sits at 80 for a whille then starts to drain normally.
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it probably doesnt say it charges to 100 heck when i fully charge my phone and reboot its somewhere in the mid 90's

Batterys are Simple= NOT
OK, This info started back in the days of NI-CADS, now were onto lithium-ion Battery's, Polymer, and so on!
trbobuick is right but in a wrong sense of stating they corrode!! What they do is the composition of the materials over time change, depending on how hard or easy the life of the battery's been and how much use in cycling it has gone thru!!
Also, alot of people don't realize that a battery will last longer being used, than sitting there without a job= not being used!!
FACTOID: All battery's irregardless of make, [Except the new Dry capacitive cells, which don't apply to cell phones], are subject to a finite life! And the quickness of dying or longevity of that battery depends on a few factors listed below!!
1: The material its made of internally!! Some are better made than others, so naturally, some brands are more durable and have a higher life span than others!!
2: The way it is handled and charged from the very beginning, meaning cycling the battery all the way to almost depleted, and then recharged back to full = setting the memory of the cell, so the entirety of said material is fully trained so to speak!! And continuing to keep doing that thru-out its life span= the discipline to wait till it gets low enough to start it on another re-charge cycle!!
3: The conditions the battery is used in= cold or Hot temp's, a battery in cold conditions, wont retain and discharge as much amps, as opposed to a battery in warm to hot temps, however Extreme temps/very HOT also quickly degrade a battery, yes there is a happy middle sweet spot= normal conditions= longer life of said battery!
4: Don't OVERCHARGE A BATTERY!! once its full, UN-plug it, keeping it connected to the charger destroys the memory and over heats it and literally cooks it= the internal material its made of will degrade much faster if it doesn't cycle down to a normal temperature again!!
Now In our scenario of cell use, one more thing must be done, and that is to use SW= app, to calibrate the battery cycle!! Key word here is CYCLE!! However all it really does is prevent excess amp draw and mainly for the Battery display to show % correctly! It really doesn't do much for the battery itself!!
The only other two other things can be done to extend battery charge cycle, is to reduce the number of Unnecessary apps running in the back-ground!
Think of this as in the Apollo 13 mission scenario!! Referring to the movie, where they worked on reducing the amp draw, Key word here is Amps, not voltage!!
And choose a ROM that has better utilization of power consumption from the battery over-all!!
So again, Analogy wise, Its like how you drive your car, either your pushing it to its limits with poor P-Maintenance, or you keep your foot outa of it, and maintain the fluids regularly etc!
I use a 3500 MA battery on my vibrant and it will go for 2 to 3 days depending on use, before it gets below 25% But I conditioned it brand new from the Get-GO to increase its charge cycle and longevity, even though I'm using a somewhat power hungry ROM!!
However, the only thing that's wrong with it as an after market battery, seems to be lacking some kind of signature/code that the OEM Samsung battery's must have, because when I go to Flash/MOD my phone, Odin or CWM wont even work right, until I change to the OEM Samsung battery, then all is happy!
When I'm finished I change out the battery after a power off, and things are Good to go again!!
And we all thought Battery's were simple HUH = LOL

Thank you very much for the battery info
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Nice info. Thank you

vabeachfc3s said:
i got a new battery for my vibrant yesterday and it wont charge past 80 percent. however it sits at 80 for a whille then starts to drain normally.
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If you want 100% you need to shut off the phone when it stops charging, when its off plug it in until it says 100% then pull the battery and pop it back in and charge again until it gets 100% rinse and repeat this 10 times or so, and reboot...your charge should have gone past 80% - you can do this until you hit 100% but its not really all that important unless you're trying to calibrate and get a proper 100%

Thanks for the great info "dseldown" I really have to stop charging my phone over night i just have been getting lazy over the months.

charging times

So, I'm wondering if my battery is messed up. It seems to charge from near dead to full in roughly 90 minutes (depending on whether I'm using it or not). Is this typical?
I ask because I feel as though people talk about their phones lasting much longer than mine does, and it makes me think I may have a defective battery.
Do other people experience this short charge time?
I had an Incredible before this, with a smaller capacity battery, and with the quick charge implementation it would still take slightly longer to charge to 100%.
Running Winner00 CM9 kang, with Franko kernel 17.2
Thoughts? Ideas? Suggestions?
All greatly appreciated.
Thanks

How is your battery lasting during normal operation?
It doesnt matter how long it takes to charge if it behaves normal in everyday use.

Mines does the same thing it'll be nearly dead(4%) and will be charged to 100% in about 2 hours. The weird thing is that my battery life is still pretty good(averaging 12-14 hours of usage with 4-6 hours of on screen time and no wifi), just kinda strange when I first received the phone it took longer to charge.
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It's completely normal to have the phone charge that fast. It is the way Li-Ion batteries work. They have a super charge state where the battery charges itself in minutes from 0% to approx. 85% and then starts to trickle charge the rest of the way. This is to ensure that the battery doesn't die from all the rapid charging.

I probably get about 2 hours of screen on with wifi, and usually im on a very good wifi connection.
it often seems im down 40-60% within 2-3 hours of light use: texts, checking the time, nothing major.
Maybe I'm expecting to much from this.
My Dinc used last a lot longer it seemed.
And yes,i generally keep 4g off
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[Q] Battery charging regimen?

Is there a preferred battery charging regimen for the One X battery?
That is, is it better to, say, always let it drop to 15% and then recharge to 100%, or can/should I charge whenever possible, or in smaller increments?
Also, are there disadvantages to using the phone while charging (as I tend to do quite a lot )?
Thanks!

i normally let mine down to about 10% then just charge it too 100%

treebill said:
i normally let mine down to about 10% then just charge it too 100%
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Right, but do you know if this is actually the way to go with the Li-Po battery or are you, like me, just winging it?

When i first got my phone i let it run down till it asked for the charger, then left it on charge over night.
I did this for the first 3 or 4 times as i found this yields the longest battery life, since then i charge every 2 days regardless what percentage is left always over night though.
Going to leave it tonight & see if it will go till tomorrow night, its been off charge since 7am on Friday morning so far & is still on 46% a total of 39 hours so far.

anoniemouse said:
When i first got my phone i let it run down till it asked for the charger, then left it on charge over night.
I did this for the first 3 or 4 times as i found this yields the longest battery life, since then i charge every 2 days regardless what percentage is left always over night though.
Going to leave it tonight & see if it will go till tomorrow night, its been off charge since 7am on Friday morning so far & is still on 46% a total of 39 hours so far.
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You get two days on a charge? Are you a wizard? Although, having just got the phone (and possessing the patience of a 5 year old), I've done a lot of start-stop charging, which I suspect isn't optimal.
I'll try to refrain from trickle charging for a while, see how much difference it makes. Thanks.

Another battery charging thread? Just plug in the damn phone! It will take care of the rest.
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I have noticed that the battery does drain in strange amounts.
I have my wifi & gps on constantly, my phone went for 2 days 5 hours & i received a text at which point the phone was at 34% battery.
The phone was put back in stand by & the phone went totally flat in the next 4 hours, this i find strange as over night in stand by it only uses 1 - 2%.
There is obviously a bug in the way the phone reports its battery state, by my reasoning this must be some 10 - 15% lower than what it is reporting.

It does seem to have some difficulties reading the battery level correctly. I've noted a couple of times that it shows a significantly higher charge level (+5-7%) after a reboot. Which is hardly likely to recharge the battery. (Unless I got me one of those perpetuum mobile, in which case, yay!)

Battery remaining life decreasing after 100% charge. Theories...

Ok so after a hard reset and at 100% charge my HTC Radar says 1 day and 15 hours remaining. It has been like that for a few days. After about a week, 100% charge results in 20 hours remaining life. Eventually after a few more charges it averages at 15-17 hours remaining battery life. That is a big worrying decrease. These figures are always noted after a 100% charge and leaving it to settle for a bit.
So I started thinking what could be causing this decreasing stand by time?
Two theories:
1. It must be an app as I got excellent stand by time from a hard reset and with no additional apps so maybe a particular app is playing with the battery meter?
2. Could it be leaving the phone over night plugged in is doing something to the battery? Maybe I should unplug it as soon as it gets to 100%?
The strange thing is it can't be the actually battery degrading over time as the phone is new. Also, I have recently flashed a custom ROM to my Radar at a point when stand by time was at 15 hours at 100% and after the flashed ROM the standby time went back up to 1 day and 15 hours. Something is not right. It must be an app.
Any other thoughts/theories or anyone else in a similar situation?
Discuss please so we can all learn something to hopefully solve this problem for other handsets too!

My guess: calibration. The system estimates your runtime based on previous runtimes, that's why it's getting lower. Did your phone actually ever run that long, btw?

yes it did. very very close. i was amazed.

and does it now actually run out faster? I have noticed this on my ipod. It used to tell me 1h battery remaining and it would run for another 3h until i got home and another 2h the next day (when I noticed I forgot to charge). Also, are you using your phone more now? The biggest battery drain is the display.

Remaining battery life is estimated as follows:
Immediately after being removed from the charger is based on previous usage charging.
After this time estimate is based on current consumption.
In the first week after hard reset or install ROM the period are recorded in the system.
After a year of use of personal phone (HD7) and trying different rom and different settings for gps, 3g, edge, and light i found that the consumer eating large battery . After a more detailed study will say that is the main consumer.

Thanks for your comment Ovi but this is not about how the consumer is wasting the battery by usage. The question I raised was about how the standby time varied at 100% after a hard reset and after weeks of usage at 100%. The stand by time decreased without using the phone after a full charge. That is what is puzzling me. In theory it should be the same stand by time no matter how long the phone has been owned and the rate of discharge is due to usage - agreed.

Excessive battery drain immediately after unplugging from charger?

So I've noticed some weird battery behavior on my Pixel 2 XL and was wondering if anyone else has noticed this.
I normally like to ;et the battery drain down into 5% or so before plugging it in and letting it charge through to 100%. I started noticing that a full charge would take me nearly 2 hours fully charge. A couple of times last week, I had to step out and the phone was charged approximately 95%. I unplugged the charger and walked to my car (about 5-6 minutes to get to the car) and when I looked at my phone, charge had dropped to 88%. Over the next few days I noticed this kind of excessive drain immediately after unplugging the charger. Aside from this, I still achieve 24+ hrs of battery life on a single charge so I am not sure that it is a HUGE issue, but one I felt shouldn't be happening nonetheless. Last night the same happened - unplugged around 95% and i literally saw the battery indicator go to 93%, 91%, 88% and then stop at 87% in about a minute. I immediately called Google support, shared my screen, and after speaking with the person on the phone - i was told I should definitely RMA, which i did..so I have a replacement coming.
I don't use always on display or always listening and I am extremely good at clearing open apps before I put the screen to sleep. I have noticed this at home, on my wifi as i always need a charge later in the day when I'm home from work. Also, I use the OEM charging wire and brick.
Anyone else notice this ?

I have not noticed battery drain fast after unplugging at full charge level. I would say you probably should RMA the device. Also it is not good to let lithium-ion batteries go down to low levels a lot like that, it will degrade the battery faster. The less you let the battery go down to low levels, the more charge cycles you will have, which means long battery life over time.

raidflex said:
I have not noticed battery drain fast after unplugging at full charge level. I would say you probably should RMA the device. Also it is not good to let lithium-ion batteries go down to low levels a lot like that, it will degrade the battery faster. The less you let the battery go down to low levels, the more charge cycles you will have, which means long battery life over time.
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I definitely did RMA, it was a painless process.
And I always thought that maximizing the charge of the phone (letting it get low, then charging up) would actually keep the battery healthier as it would reduce the # of times I charged it. Am i way off base with my logic for that?!

Going into my third week with my 2 XL and I haven't seen anything abnormal regarding battery drain.
I do practice the method of unplugging at 85% and plugging back in around 15% (per Accubattery's reco, and other reading done online)....
There's no proof that it helps as suggested, and while I realize that only allows me access to 70% of the battery's charge potential, I'm rarely, if ever, away from a plug for more than half a day.
This theory worked well in my 6P until it got the intermittent BLOD... My battery health was around 84% (via Accubattery) after 17 months of pretty heavy use.
Again, not sure it is solid fact or not, but you could always try it for a month and see if there is any noticeable difference in battery drain.

Thank you for that insight! I will absolutely do some research. You're battery health after 17 months is really impressive. I just switched from a Nexus 6p that was definitely showing signs of wear after 2 years of fairly standard use. I hadn't used accubattery, but I will download it on my new replacement and monitor results.
I will say though, that aside from that slight blip i noticed - the battery (andOS optimization i'm assuming) is amazing. I get through a day plus easily. So, anything I can do to keep that consistent or squeeze more time out of it is a no brainer.
Az Biker said:
Going into my third week with my 2 XL and I haven't seen anything abnormal regarding battery drain.
I do practice the method of unplugging at 85% and plugging back in around 15% (per Accubattery's reco, and other reading done online)....
There's no proof that it helps as suggested, and while I realize that only allows me access to 70% of the battery's charge potential, I'm rarely, if ever, away from a plug for more than half a day.
This theory worked well in my 6P until it got the intermittent BLOD... My battery health was around 84% (via Accubattery) after 17 months of pretty heavy use.
Again, not sure it is solid fact or not, but you could always try it for a month and see if there is any noticeable difference in battery drain.
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AceKingNYC said:
I definitely did RMA, it was a painless process.
And I always thought that maximizing the charge of the phone (letting it get low, then charging up) would actually keep the battery healthier as it would reduce the # of times I charged it. Am i way off base with my logic for that?!
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Lithium-ion batteries work on charge cycles and are happier between 50-85% charge levels. You cannot really "overcharge" the battery because the phone will stop charging at 100% and just trickle charge to keep the battery at this level. But unplugging it after full charge defiantly wont hurt. If you keep the battery at higher levels I would't be surprised that you would get 1500+ charge cycl.es out of the phone before any real degradation which should easily get you years of good battery life. I find the battery life on the XL to be awesome and it lasts me throughout the day with still 40% battery life left and that is with pretty heavy usage.