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It has a secondary mic so just wondering if thats only for recording video or if it is also used for noise cancellation
It is used for noise cancellation as well, much like the secondary mic on the nexus one.
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It is used for noise cancellation as well, much like the secondary mic on the nexus one.
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Is there a way to confirm this? The getting started guide doesn't say that it can be used for noise cancellation during calls. But it doesn't say it can't do this either.
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Is there a way to confirm this? The getting started guide doesn't say that it can be used for noise cancellation during calls. But it doesn't say it can't do this either.
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Sure. Make a couple of test calls in a noisy environment, then stuff a wad of chewing gum into the secondary mike and make more test calls. Ask the person at the other end if they can hear a difference.
Most basic Android phones have this feature and I have no reason to think the GNEX wouldn't.
It never seems to do much good so its no big deal to me.
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Does it work when playing music? Like noise cancelling headphones?
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Does it work when playing music? Like noise cancelling headphones?
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Nope. Only with the mike.
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Nope. Only with the mike.
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Hmm. Seems like they missed a trick there. Oh well.
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Hmm. Seems like they missed a trick there. Oh well.
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Think about it...so much noise will seep in between your ear and the phone that it wouldn't make any difference.
Just get a nice pair of IEMs or a noise cancelling headset like the Audio Technica ATH-ANC7b (or their less expensive ANC products).
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Think about it...so much noise will seep in between your ear and the phone that it wouldn't make any difference.
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Lots of ANC headsets have the mic in an in-line power box on the cable. Bose come to mind for a start. So I don't see as it would be impossible to make the phone perform the ANC when using a standard headset.
Just get a nice pair of IEMs or a noise cancelling headset like the Audio Technica ATH-ANC7b (or their less expensive ANC products).
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I've got one, I just thought it would be cool if the phone did it.
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Lots of ANC headsets have the mic in an in-line power box on the cable. Bose come to mind for a start. So I don't see as it would be impossible to make the phone perform the ANC.
I've got one, I just thought it would be cool if the phone did it.
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Having the mic in an in-line box is very different from having the mic on the playback device. An in-line box is a small device that is most likely close to the earpieces and exposed to the same environment as the earpieces. The playback device is much larger, likely to be further away from the earpieces, and rarely exposed to the same environment, as they are more likely to be in pockets, purses, etc.
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Having the mic in an in-line box is very different from having the mic on the playback device. An in-line box is a small device that is most likely close to the earpieces and exposed to the same environment as the earpieces. The playback device is much larger, likely to be further away from the earpieces, and rarely exposed to the same environment, as they are more likely to be in pockets, purses, etc.
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Well obviously it would have to not be in a pocket. Not that it really matters since it doesn't do it anyway.
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Well obviously it would have to not be in a pocket. Not that it really matters since it doesn't do it anyway.
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When you are playing music, how often do you not have the phone in a pocket or purse or something like that? You will need an armband or belt holster. Having a feature that only works with certain kinds of holsters that most people don't have is a waste.
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Most basic Android phones have this feature and I have no reason to think the GNEX wouldn't.
It never seems to do much good so its no big deal to me.
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Wow. Totally different from my experience with GS2 and iPhone and BB.
I was standing right next to my neighbor's pressure cleaner as he was cleaning his roof the other day and my pops could not hear the engine at all while on the phone with me. I was amazed.
Maybe you are talking about older phones?
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So does the phone have dedicated mic for Noise cancellation or not? in the top back of the phone there a tiny hole is this the second mic for noise cancellation?
, currently i have the phone but there is no option mentioning noise cancellation anywhere
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So does the phone have dedicated mic for Noise cancellation or not? in the top back of the phone there a tiny hole is this the second mic for noise cancellation?
, currently i have the phone but there is no option mentioning noise cancellation anywhere
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Yes, it does. I've tested mine sitting next to my teams flight simulator which derives it's computing power from about 24 6foot double sided racks of servers...so it sounds like a hurricane of fans in that room and I've made calls there and people can't hear anything in the background just silence. When I had my 3gs iphone everyone said they couldn't hear anything but fans when i called them.
I don't know. I was just testing the Galaxy Nexus in a Verizon store and I was disappointed by the noise cancellation (compared to my Nexus One). I tested the two phones in the store with a lot of people talking and making noise in the background, by leaving myself voicemail messages.
With the Galaxy Nexus it was silent when I wasn't talking, but when I was talking you could hear the chatter of people in the background. This to me is typical of older phones that did not have a secondary mic to filter out background noise. Instead they just turned the mic off to cancel background noise when you weren't talking.
With the Nexus One, you couldn't hear any background noise at all, whether I was talking or not. The secondary mic lets the noise cancellation chip tell what's your voice and what's background noise and filter out the background, even when you are talking. This has been my consistent experience with the Nexus One and people always comment on how good it is.
I tested two different Galaxy Nexus phones in the Verizon store with the same results (the floor model and a handset belonging to one of the representatives in the store). It did not compare to the quality of the Nexus One. Also the Motorola Razr was much better too (Motorola has always put an emphasis on in-call audio quality that other manufacturer's ignore).
Really, given the results I got, the Galaxy Nexus to me seemed like it did not have proper noise cancellation at all.
It looks like the Galaxy Nexus does not have the Audience chip that's found in the Nexus One, which does the noise cancellation processing:
www.audience.com/products/overview.php
It's strange, because the Audience chip is in many of Samsung's Galaxy S and SII devices. Perhaps the Galaxy Nexus is using some inferior noise cancellation technology. I don't know. But, sadly, in my tests it didn't compare to the Nexus One.
[Edit: This review at PhoneArena claims they experienced the noise cancellation working on an HSPA+ version: www.phonearena.com/reviews/Samsung-Galaxy-Nexus-Review_id2915/page/4. I suppose it's possible that Verizon left the feature out? Or perhaps the store I was in was not loud enough to trigger the noise cancellation, since they describe the noise cancellation as "kicking in" in noisy environments. My impression on the Nexus One is that it is always operating and does not "kick in" at certain points. In any case, the experience on the Verizon Galaxy Nexus is still that I heard the background chatter of other people cutting in and out, as the microphone seemed to switch on and off depending on whether I was talking, which created an annoying effect, not experienced on the Nexus One.]
i got same problem too,try to call to GS2 and defy in the same area, G nexus noise cancellation very poor. hope they will release some kind of patch to fix it
On my Droid X the noise cancellation mic works great, *especially* for concerts, but you have to change the setting on the camera to "Concert." I see no setting in the GN's video camera options so if it does have noise cancellation it's probably not that great.
I wonder if there is an aftermarket camera that will utilize it a bit better.
Whoa, that's soo cool. How did I just discover this?
I have an HTC Sensation and the call quality is pretty poor. Hard to hear other person and I have it set to full volume. What's the quality like on the One X and if you owned a sensation before how does the call quality compare?
Can anyone answer this? Big part of whether i get the phone or not. Someone must have made a call. Thanks.
I've owned both and i'd say the One X is a big improvement for sure
I've had same problem with my x,but I also have a experia arc both are with Vodafone and they both have no signal bars or 1 or 2 at best.this isn't a phone problem as I thought it was its the network.my one x is unlocked and I've put a orange sim in and it now has 3 to 4 bars all the time,and I'm 2miles out of Manchester so plenty of masts about...
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I've owned both and i'd say the One X is a big improvement for sure
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Exactly the same experience for me.
I received my replacement one s due to call quality issues and the new one is even worse. everyone says i sound like im in a tin can as my voice is SUPER muffled. they can hear when i start and stop talking but the words just arent sharp enough to hear anything. wtf is going on with this phone?
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I received my replacement one s due to call quality issues and the new one is even worse. everyone says i sound like im in a tin can as my voice is SUPER muffled. they can hear when i start and stop talking but the words just arent sharp enough to hear anything. wtf is going on with this phone?
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Yeap, same thing here...
Arent other people facing this issue?
Even a lot of online reviews mentioned this. But i never thought the mic quality is going to be this troublesome.
I tried calling myself on an Atrix/Galaxy S/Galaxy note
I myself find the microphone quality quite cheap. It picks up the slightest of nicks and bumps but its definitely too muddy for the other persons comfort!!
The call volumes were very low on my G2 and Sensation in the past. They fixed that but messed up the microphone quality!
Seriously disappointing. Not buying a HTC device ever again!
Who is planning to get a Moto Hint? I am curious how the experience of having bot ha Moto 360 and the Moto Hint will be. I wonder if the two devices will compete for your words or if they will have a synergy making having both worthwhile. I do a lot of talking on the phone so a nice bluetooth headset really interests me.
the only thing i'm worried about with the hint is that it will really look like you're talking to yourself
Oh dang I actually haven't heard about these but I think they look like they'll be a pretty good product for those who use such devices. I would splurge but I don't think I would actually use it very often...
I was curious and found the Moto Hint last night at Best Buy. It fit great in the ear and was really comfortable. I could hear callers clearly. Issue is that callers could not hear me well. I was told that every few words were clear then there would be a gap of silence while I continued to speak. I tried with the Note 3 and iPhone 5 and both had the same results. I then covered the sensor making the Hint believe it was in my ear and spoke directly into the mic about an inch from my mouth. Callers heard everything I said clearly. It appears that the BT mic is too far from the mouth to pick up speech properly. I had high hopes for the Hint and am disapointed that it didn't operate as advertised. Will give it the benifit of the doubt and swap it out for another one before giving up.
Make sure the two microphones are aligned and pointed toward your mouth and not your eyes. You may have to consciously rotate the back of the unit upwards slightly when you put it in the ear so microphones line up such that they point to your mouth. Found this in user guide and it works great with this slight adjustment in ear.
where do you live? i cant seem to find the moto hint on bestbuys website. Looking at motorola website doesn't seem like they are on sale yet T^T i wanna try this headset out pretty bad lol
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I was curious and found the Moto Hint last night at Best Buy. It fit great in the ear and was really comfortable. I could hear callers clearly. Issue is that callers could not hear me well. I was told that every few words were clear then there would be a gap of silence while I continued to speak. I tried with the Note 3 and iPhone 5 and both had the same results. I then covered the sensor making the Hint believe it was in my ear and spoke directly into the mic about an inch from my mouth. Callers heard everything I said clearly. It appears that the BT mic is too far from the mouth to pick up speech properly. I had high hopes for the Hint and am disapointed that it didn't operate as advertised. Will give it the benifit of the doubt and swap it out for another one before giving up.
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I also don't see it on the Best Buy website or Amazon. I found it at the Best Buy in Alexandria, VA. I decided to try another unit since the first was so bad. The Best Buy at the Pentagon City location had five in stock. This one is much better. Tried it last night and the person on the other end of the call could hear and understand everyword I said. Not so good this morning so I will follow gadgetg's instructions. I really like the look and feel of the Hint. Will try it for a few more days before I make the decision to keep it or not. My Plantronics Voyager Edge works great, but definitely not as attractive and discreet as the Hint.
Lucky! Keep us updated!
I Def like the way it looks! I would use it at work most considering i mostly use only one eat with my current setup
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I also don't see it on the Best Buy website or Amazon. I found it at the Best Buy in Alexandria, VA. I decided to try another unit since the first was so bad. The Best Buy at the Pentagon City location had five in stock. This one is much better. Tried it last night and the person on the other end of the call could hear and understand everyword I said. Not so good this morning so I will follow gadgetg's instructions. I really like the look and feel of the Hint. Will try it for a few more days before I make the decision to keep it or not. My Plantronics Voyager Edge works great, but definitely not as attractive and discreet as the Hint.
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I live in the DC area. I'll have to check those places out. Hopefully they have some left in stock.
I just left a bestbuy in Jax FL and they didn't have them in the system yet
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I wonder if the hint is using sensors to detect jaw vibrations like this headset
http://www.amazon.com/Jawbone-II-Bluetooth-NoiseAssassin-Packaging/dp/B001AQYUWC
Got the Hint yesterday at my local best buy in Miami and I really want to like it but I'm still on the fence. Calls are nice and loud with no issues with being heard. My issue is with streaming audio and how quiet it is compared to the call volume. I have the call volume at the lowest setting it's so loud but the streaming has to be over 3/4's just to be able to hear it. It also sounds a but tinny but I imagine the tiny speaker is doing its best. I turned off the Moto voice always listening feature since I'm using it with a iphone 6+ and I imagine that will also help a bit with battery life. If anyone has any suggested settings to improve streaming volume or battery life please chime in. I got the best buy 2 year insurance for $20 so I can always trade this one in if they ever come out with a different hardware version later on.
My wife really wants the Gear S when it launches and thought the hint would be the perfect accessory for it. Just worried she will lose it!
Is hint can used for other phone has not motovoice? Any limition will be?
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Is hint can used for other phone has not motovoice? Any limition will be?
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Yes you can. I'm using it with an iPhone 6 plus and it works great. The only limitation is you can't use moto voice. I have to press the mdf to call Siri.
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Yes you can. I'm using it with an iPhone 6 plus and it works great. The only limitation is you can't use moto voice. I have to press the mdf to call Siri.
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Thanks for info. I read some review say the stream sound like music is low and difficult to hear, how about yours? And any problem when talk, need to adjust you head or just feel free to talk in air?
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Thanks for info. I read some review say the stream sound like music is low and difficult to hear, how about yours? And any problem when talk, need to adjust you head or just feel free to talk in air?
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Call volume is very loud but audio streaming and music volume is much lower for some reason.
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Call volume is very loud but audio streaming and music volume is much lower for some reason.
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I see. Maybe need report back to moto.
I posted this on the Motorola Forums, but those of you with a Hint or thinking of getting one may find it useful
A US friend recently bought me a 2nd gen Moto Hint on his visit to the UK and I've got to say that the microphone
performance is really erratic. I did loads of testing and searching on the internet in case the problems were:
a) Related to the Nexus 5 I was using
b) Related to a faulty unit
c) Related to me not using the correct "gel" or positioning it in my ear correctly.
After a LOT of digging and reading the few reviews out there, I found that in quite a high proportion of the reviews I did eventually find, people mentioned about how others heard them; that people speaking into the Hint came across as quite faint and distant - exactly the problems I was getting.
A bit more digging and testing later, and I managed to eliminate both a) & b) from the equation... using a really crude test
involving a Bluetooth recorder app, I uncovered the following (Hope this helps!):
Option1.
Believe it or not, I can get consistent clear audio recorded - and subsequently call quality where others can hear me
very clearly if I... Take the Hint out of my ear and BLOW HARD into the front mic before quickly putting it back on!! I know it sounds crazy, but every time I do this, the Hint's mic works flawlessly for me (I should add, there is no debris or or anything else blocking the hole to actually be cleared and my ears are clean )
And this trick works whatever the orientation of the Hint in your ear is.. it can be positioned so the mic is level with your eyes, pointing a bit further down towards your mouth, whatever... this to me, completely dispells any previous info about rotational position in your ear being critical to mic's pick up (no consumer device suitable for everyday use should be that sensitive to position IMHO)
FYI, an audio engineer friend of mine thinks the sudden burst of white noise caused by blowing into the mic, might re-set the noise cancelling audio sampling start up processes but without pulling the thing apart and reverse engineering its code, they're at a complete loss to comprehensively explain why this should work..
FYI 2, The same audio engineer friend thinks the noise cancelling algorithms are broken in some way which is the root cause of the mic pick up being so poor out of the box, and could be fixed with a software update. They've got an older Moto Elite Sliver with Mics positioned no closer to the mouth than the Hint and the mic audio quality in comparison is damned good without having to resort to tricks..
Option 2. A bit more fiddly but also do-able, is to hold your hand up around your ear "Secret Service Agent/FBI Agent" style. Don't actually touch the hint, just have a couple of fingers brushing against the top of your ear with your palm and wrist towards your mouth to help channel the audio from your mouth into the Hint's mic. YMMV and in someways, having to do this to get enough audio to the mic kinda defeats the purpose of having such a small Bluetooth earpiece - may as well hold your phone up to your ear instead!
Anyway, I hope my findings help someone who's had problems, might've left it in a drawer etc.
Greetings, sorry if this is redundant thread but I feel maybe this would get buried under the RL reviews. I have seen this behavior on 4 Pixel 2 XL's so far, one being mine, one being my friends and the two other's being from Verizon and Best Buy displays. Rather than explain here is a small video, excuse the mediocre quality https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O7FoxEZjgi0&feature=youtu.be . Not sure if it's a case of small poor quality speakers and the volume is set too loud and will be lowered in a future software update? I'm wondering if speakers are just trash in general and it's either put up with it or return it? Or the slight possibility of a bad batch of devices? Or just some freak luck to see 4 units exhibiting the same exact symptoms. Video and music playback do have the same issue at louder volumes, just not to that extent with using the speakerphone with voice calls. Has anyone else noticed this on their new devices? Thanks for your input.
Based on what i tried at verizon and comparing to my iphone 7+ its not good. Not that loud and lack of bass
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My speakers sort of have a hum/buzz at higher volumes... Do yall's?
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My speakers sort of have a hum/buzz at higher volumes... Do yall's?
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Yes, that's exactly what was going on to all four of the devices that I have listened to. My device, my friends device and two demo devices from Best Buy and the Verizon store. It seems to be most noticeable when making calls on speakerphone as was indicated in the video I posted. Music/videos it's still there but not as bad cause possibly the max volume isn't as loud vs a voice call. I'm guessing the speakers are too small and Google set the max volume way too high for what the speakers are capable of. Or could be something else I'm not aware of . Either way for $1k it's pretty sad.
Edit: Decided to get a replacement from Google. Hopefully the next unit isn't as bad.
Supposedly the corners of the screen are adhered to the rest of the phone using some kind of foam backers (look up the ifixit breakdown on this device). Because it's not a 'glue" and closer to a foam, this is apparently what is causing the perceived "buzzy" sound when the volume is too loud.
I will say I was watching videos on youtube last night while my phone was sitting on my dining room table, and it sounded crisp and clear even at 75% loudness. I did not notice any buzzing vibrations going through the display or the phone from the speakers.
Im curious if you hear more noise when pluged in for charging. This was issue when we had nexus 6 with stereo speaker.
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Yes, that's exactly what was going on to all four of the devices that I have listened to. My device, my friends device and two demo devices from Best Buy and the Verizon store. It seems to be most noticeable when making calls on speakerphone as was indicated in the video I posted. Music/videos it's still there but not as bad cause possibly the max volume isn't as loud vs a voice call. I'm guessing the speakers are too small and Google set the max volume way too high for what the speakers are capable of. Or could be something else I'm not aware of . Either way for $1k it's pretty sad.
Edit: Decided to get a replacement from Google. Hopefully the next unit isn't as bad.
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I noticed this on 3 different Pixel 2 XLs as well. Does your replacement have it?
Mine does this as well. I'm pretty sure every one of them does. I called Google support last night and of course the tech was either playing dumb or hadn't heard of this but I really can't see how they don't know this is an issue.
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I've noticed about 50% and higher and with high pitched tones on the bottom speaker of my pixel 2 xl gets like a weird vibration or rattle sound. Like something is loose or the speaker is rattling the screen.
I've been listening to mine with music full blast and no issues. Don't alter the sound with the equaliser and it's great. Bottom speaker is louder than the top, but no issues like these on mine.
I just got my 2nd RMA. All of the phones, including the original one, have exhibited the buzzing/vibration from the bottom firing speaker that you all speak of. There is a large thread that confirms this from pretty much everyone. It's very obvious at volume levels of about 80% or higher on my current device. I'm also starting to wonder if the earpiece is crappy too. I just made several rounds of calls and during each call, I could pick up a buzz during low pitched feedback from the other end.
Here is the other thread that covers this exactly. https://forum.xda-developers.com/pixel-2-xl/help/speaker-rattle-distortion-t3699373
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I've been listening to mine with music full blast and no issues. Don't alter the sound with the equaliser and it's great. Bottom speaker is louder than the top, but no issues like these on mine.
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It's not noticeable when playing music, especially if it's something that's fast paced. Instead, watch a YT video with dialogue, i.e. Linus Tech Tips, at full volume. You'll hear it then.
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I noticed this on 3 different Pixel 2 XLs as well. Does your replacement have it?
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Yup, I'm still on my original XL 2 cause there was dirt/dead pixels on my 2nd device. After hearing people don't have the issue on the speakers (which I find hard to believe). I would like to see someone without the issue supposedly doing a speakerphone call above 40% volume to show there's no distortion. So I have my third one coming and I'm pretty sure I'll end up keeping my original. I have zero confidence that I'll get a better or equal screen (w/o dead pixels or black debris particles under the glass). Makes you really think that LG has piss poor QC since the glass is generally fused in OLED displays so you would imagine they would be producing in a sterile environment.
Got one in the mail today and it sounds way better on speakerphone calls. Still has a little of the distortion at 100% volume but it's very minuscule compared to before. Manufacture date of 11/21/17.
So I have sensitive hearing and catch this sort of stuff but wondering if it's normal or some odd defect, despite everything seems to work.
If I open the camera app I hear faint white noise and it seems to come from the ear piece if I put it up to my ear. Almost like if you're on a call but no one is talking and you hear the silent ambient noise.
My only guess is either they seem to share some common power and the speaker is powered with the camera or something is funky on mine.
I did get on a call and open the camera app (it does it at that point still too) just to make sure both worked at same time.
It's not super loud/obvious but in a dead silent room is where I caught it and now know it exist ha.
anyway just wanted to see if anyone else could test that.
Put phone to ear like on a call, not you hear nothing.
Open camera app and put to ear and see if any difference.
Mine has the same hissing sound. But I had to put my ear close to the speaker to be able to hear it. I really don't care since I don't take pictures with my phone near my ear
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Yea I think I can live with it just wanted to make sure I wasn't some unique snowflake with this odd issue that later would turn worse because it was a defect.
I guess it's possible to still be one but not being the only one with it eases concerns hah.
Thanks for checking!
Yeah, I hear it too. Must be the OIS ? Probably the small electromagnets in there causing some inteference with the earpiece.
I have that problem too. when i open camera app or switching mode(auto to pro), it make noise and I notice that its camera aperture change then make the noise.
anyone know that problem? it is hardware or software issue.
It´s not a fault - it´s by "design" (why I don´t know thou). It has been like this for many generations of Samsung phones now (atleast S6, S7, S8 & S9).