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Battery drain issue?

Hey guys,
so I recently purchased an International HTC One X and hsve loved it so far, but I think the battery is draining too fast.
On standby, it drained from 93% to 89-92% in 8 hrs which I suppose is good, but while using, it drops pretty quick. I wanna know how many hours or how much percentage does your battery decrease by while on standby or during use?
By the statistics I have provided, do u think there's anything wrong with my battery?
PS: I used the built in battery app, go to settings>power
Thanks, Id really appreciate it if u could help out since I'm worried if my newly expensively bought phone has something wrong with it or not, ill hit the thanks button
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Battery drain
I'm currently on Leedroid' ROM and the behaviour is similar to what I had with the stock rom and looks like the folowing:
Data or WiFi on, autobrightness on, autosync off
Hangs a litle on 100% then dops abruptly from 98-97% to 80% in about 4-5 hrs with a screen time under 30'
from 70% to 30% however, the battery drain "magically" improves giving 6-8 hrs of standby including 2 hrs of screen time of which the most is used to browse the net via 3G.
At the moment my stats are: 13h 50' on baterry, 2h 15' screen time, 21% left
I got a steep drop from 31% to 21%, just as I was checking the stats for this message, but bare in mind this is the first run with Leedroid (flashed last evening) so I expect things to improve.
After 10-12 days on the stock rom I remember getting some 3-3.5 hrs of screen time within 16 - 18 hrs total before reaching 10%.
So i suggest, give the battery a little time to settle, then adjust your usage habits according to what you get (like turning autobrightness off, data off etc).
I for one am waiting for some stable kernel improvments regarding the tegra power mangement (sounds cool, have no idea what I'm talking about and I expect to get some 20-30% more screen time within the same time period (18-20hrs).

I've been running a few battery tests. Last night I wanted to totally burn out the battery so I used it down to about 5% and started a youtube movie streaming over wifi at full brightness. An hour later...... it finally died.
The companion core on this thing can really confuse you are testing standby time or music and video playback.
I want a mod for the phone where I can toggle it to use 1, 2, or 4 cores. To the OS, it looks like core0 is also the companion core.

Thanks
oftiklaus said:
I'm currently on Leedroid' ROM and the behaviour is similar to what I had with the stock rom and looks like the folowing:
Data or WiFi on, autobrightness on, autosync off
Hangs a litle on 100% then dops abruptly from 98-97% to 80% in about 4-5 hrs with a screen time under 30'
from 70% to 30% however, the battery drain "magically" improves giving 6-8 hrs of standby including 2 hrs of screen time of which the most is used to browse the net via 3G.
At the moment my stats are: 13h 50' on baterry, 2h 15' screen time, 21% left
I got a steep drop from 31% to 21%, just as I was checking the stats for this message, but bare in mind this is the first run with Leedroid (flashed last evening) so I expect things to improve.
After 10-12 days on the stock rom I remember getting some 3-3.5 hrs of screen time within 16 - 18 hrs total before reaching 10%.
So i suggest, give the battery a little time to settle, then adjust your usage habits according to what you get (like turning autobrightness off, data off etc).
I for one am waiting for some stable kernel improvments regarding the tegra power mangement (sounds cool, have no idea what I'm talking about and I expect to get some 20-30% more screen time within the same time period (18-20hrs).
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Thanks for the reply
so do you think there really is something wrong with my battery?
i read on a popular android website that they played a video on mx player in loops and it lasted for 6 hrs and 6 mins, which makes like 17 percent for every hour of viewing. I downloaded mx player, gonna watch a movie, and hope the battery drain is on par
The less battery doesnt bother me much, what does is that im worried that there MAY be something wrong with my battery, gonna try out for a day or 2, gonna see if my results can match urs, thanks
just hope theres nothing wrong with my battery
PS: i have everything stock, i unlocked bootloader, flash CWM5.8.x.x but returned to stock later.

oftiklaus said:
I'm currently on Leedroid' ROM and the behaviour is similar to what I had with the stock rom and looks like the folowing:
Data or WiFi on, autobrightness on, autosync off
Hangs a litle on 100% then dops abruptly from 98-97% to 80% in about 4-5 hrs with a screen time under 30'
from 70% to 30% however, the battery drain "magically" improves giving 6-8 hrs of standby including 2 hrs of screen time of which the most is used to browse the net via 3G.
At the moment my stats are: 13h 50' on baterry, 2h 15' screen time, 21% left
I got a steep drop from 31% to 21%, just as I was checking the stats for this message, but bare in mind this is the first run with Leedroid (flashed last evening) so I expect things to improve.
After 10-12 days on the stock rom I remember getting some 3-3.5 hrs of screen time within 16 - 18 hrs total before reaching 10%.
So i suggest, give the battery a little time to settle, then adjust your usage habits according to what you get (like turning autobrightness off, data off etc).
I for one am waiting for some stable kernel improvments regarding the tegra power mangement (sounds cool, have no idea what I'm talking about and I expect to get some 20-30% more screen time within the same time period (18-20hrs).
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So the browsing drained about 70% of the battery right? Suppose those 11 hours of sleep took even 10%, and u have 21% left, so u spent about 70% on the browsing right? Thanks

when you charge to 100% it drops down to 95% then charges back up to stop over charging, who ever it doesn't show you the % it just says 100% thats why you can lose ~5% in a few seconds when first taking it off charge.
yesterday i got 14 hours 9% left and had just a little over 4 hours screen time on leedroid 5.1.
playing games is a massive drain

treebill said:
when you charge to 100% it drops down to 95% then charges back up to stop over charging, who ever it doesn't show you the % it just says 100% thats why you can lose ~5% in a few seconds when first taking it off charge.
yesterday i got 14 hours 9% left and had just a little over 4 hours screen time on leedroid 5.1.
playing games is a massive drain
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Thanks, that's what I hope to achieve. I did a factory reset, will fully charge and see how it fares tomorrow. Btw, I don't play games on battery precisely because of the massive consumption.
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oftiklaus said:
Thanks, that's what I hope to achieve. I did a factory reset, will fully charge and see how it fares tomorrow. Btw, I don't play games on battery precisely because of the massive consumption.
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That day I didn't play games just the internet sms well most of it was using Xda app lol
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Got over 3 days uptime on low brightness and abit over 1 hr screen usage.Had constantly WiFi on. As long I start using the screen non stop or especially play games the battery is draining really fast.
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Battery Fix
I had a pretty serious battery issue during my first couple days with the phone, where the battery drain was extremely fast and inconsistent, sometimes dropping 5% at a time and giving me maybe 8 hours of life total.
The issue was that the battery tracking in the phone was messed up. When you go to Settings>Power, the default setting for "Fast Boot" is on. This seems to mess up the way that battery drain is tracked. I fixed the issue by turning Fast Boot off, charging up the phone to 99% (it wouldn't reach 100, that's how bad it was messed up), then restarting it. Now, it works perfectly and easily gets me through the day with moderate/heavy usage; I watched a 30 min video streaming from youtube of wifi and lost only 7%.
The downside is now the phone takes 5 seconds longer to start up .

treebill said:
when you charge to 100% it drops down to 95% then charges back up to stop over charging, who ever it doesn't show you the % it just says 100% thats why you can lose ~5% in a few seconds when first taking it off charge.
yesterday i got 14 hours 9% left and had just a little over 4 hours screen time on leedroid 5.1.
playing games is a massive drain
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Thanks mate for the info
I'm convinced there's nothing wrong with my battery

DJ Set said:
Got over 3 days uptime on low brightness and abit over 1 hr screen usage.Had constantly WiFi on. As long I start using the screen non stop or especially play games the battery is draining really fast.
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Thanks bro!

A0A said:
I had a pretty serious battery issue during my first couple days with the phone, where the battery drain was extremely fast and inconsistent, sometimes dropping 5% at a time and giving me maybe 8 hours of life total.
The issue was that the battery tracking in the phone was messed up. When you go to Settings>Power, the default setting for "Fast Boot" is on. This seems to mess up the way that battery drain is tracked. I fixed the issue by turning Fast Boot off, charging up the phone to 99% (it wouldn't reach 100, that's how bad it was messed up), then restarting it. Now, it works perfectly and easily gets me through the day with moderate/heavy usage; I watched a 30 min video streaming from youtube of wifi and lost only 7%.
The downside is now the phone takes 5 seconds longer to start up .
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This is what I was looking for thanks mate!!!!!!

Why not join the Battery Stats thread that has like 20-30 pages of discussion already.. I fail to see how a new thread every day helps people to find what they want to find..
Rocking the Lee on my HTC One X

A0A said:
I had a pretty serious battery issue during my first couple days with the phone, where the battery drain was extremely fast and inconsistent, sometimes dropping 5% at a time and giving me maybe 8 hours of life total.
The issue was that the battery tracking in the phone was messed up. When you go to Settings>Power, the default setting for "Fast Boot" is on. This seems to mess up the way that battery drain is tracked. I fixed the issue by turning Fast Boot off, charging up the phone to 99% (it wouldn't reach 100, that's how bad it was messed up), then restarting it. Now, it works perfectly and easily gets me through the day with moderate/heavy usage; I watched a 30 min video streaming from youtube of wifi and lost only 7%.
The downside is now the phone takes 5 seconds longer to start up .
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I did that, and streamed on youtube for 30 mins, lost like 9 percentage, is it good? or is there something with my battery?

All of your battery issue will be sorted out people..don't forget that One X is still running on GB kernel n so is transformer prime..Nvidia n HTC are working on the ICS kernel..n once they are out with it our HOX is gonna blow away everything in the Market in both performance n battery life :beer:
Sent from my Stunning White HTC One X

Techimplant said:
All of your battery issue will be sorted out people..don't forget that One X is still running on GB kernel n so is transformer prime..Nvidia n HTC are working on the ICS kernel..n once they are out with it our HOX is gonna blow away everything in the Market in both performance n battery life :beer:
Sent from my Stunning White HTC One X
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Thanks man! but i was worried if my battery is less compared to other ppl with the same phone, but that doesnt seem to be the case D

theDroidfanatic said:
I did that, and streamed on youtube for 30 mins, lost like 9 percentage, is it good? or is there something with my battery?
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That's perfectly fine. Battery drain will never be perfectly consistent (perhaps your video had better graphics/resolution than mine did). Looks like your battery's OK now.

A0A said:
That's perfectly fine. Battery drain will never be perfectly consistent (perhaps your video had better graphics/resolution than mine did). Looks like your battery's OK now.
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Thanks mate Really appreciate the help am on LeeDroid One Xtreme now with BrickedKernel v0.3. which Rom are u on?
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A0A said:
That's perfectly fine. Battery drain will never be perfectly consistent (perhaps your video had better graphics/resolution than mine did). Looks like your battery's OK now.
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Btw did you watch the video with speakers, headphones, or no sound?
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Horrible Battery! I just dont understand!

The first month this phone was great on battery... Its horrible now 3 months later! I shut off all the samsung stuff that suck up the battery. I have the screen power down to the lowest setting. Sometimes when i charge the phone is says its fully charged and when i unplug it its about 98%. Does this once and awhile. I've been playing a games for about 1.5 hours. The batter is about 40%. Is this normal?

10 minutes later i just checked the phone and now its down to 30%... wtf is going on with this battery?

ViciousLSD said:
The first month this phone was great on battery... Its horrible now 3 months later! I shut off all the samsung stuff that suck up the battery. I have the screen power down to the lowest setting. Sometimes when i charge the phone is says its fully charged and when i unplug it its about 98%. Does this once and awhile. I've been playing a games for about 1.5 hours. The batter is about 40%. Is this normal?
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1.) You should get Better Battery Stats from the Play Store so you can see what could be causing this battery drain.
2.) When you unplug your device and it shows 98% it's a good thing. It means that your fuel gauge is working correctly. We have a safety feature that helps the battery to never get over charged. It helps the battery last a lot longer. The way these batteries work is if it's constantly overcharged over an certain amount of time it would deplete the battery life.

ViciousLSD said:
10 minutes later i just checked the phone and now its down to 30%... wtf is going on with this battery?
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you have something in the background going on. could be a rouge app. check Better Battery Stats.

A coworker of mine has a Galaxy III on ATT same as I do. She complained about her battery to me. We both opened our Elvision Battery Widget and saw that screen times and time on battery were within 30 minutes of each other (1hr 50m mine vs 2hr 15m hers). She had 73% and I had 95%; her widget said 38XXmv, mine said 4100 (I have more stuff on than her). I had her restart her phone just for the hell of it, then I flipped through her settings and TURNED OFF battery saver. The problem went away. I've never used the battery saver and my battery stays golden all day. That said there's no telling if the restart did more for the phone than turning off the battery saver. I told her to turn on battery saver for 2 hours this weekend and see what it does. Will keep everyone posted.

task650 said:
you have something in the background going on. could be a rouge app. check Better Battery Stats.
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I just downloaded this app but have no idea how to use this thing...lol

ViciousLSD said:
The first month this phone was great on battery... Its horrible now 3 months later! I shut off all the samsung stuff that suck up the battery. I have the screen power down to the lowest setting. Sometimes when i charge the phone is says its fully charged and when i unplug it its about 98%. Does this once and awhile. I've been playing a games for about 1.5 hours. The batter is about 40%. Is this normal?
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Are you on stock?
Stock ICS on my S3

I'm rooted on stock ICS...

Google Now is a huge battery drain from my experience.

I'm rooted stock. No battery issues in fact gs3 has some of the best battery life I've seen second only to my hoxl.
Download autostart fromvthe market.
Find out what's running at os startup.
Disable. Things like googleplay, Googlemaps etc. Don't need to start up.
In fact the only thing required is integral Os components. At start up, I have alimost everything Google disabled.
None of your maps need time start when boot. None of them. Keep in mind I'm talkin aps like ....anything AT&T... w/e you dl'd from market.
Also go through and disable bloatware.
This will help. check your battery. It should be flat or slightly concaved. If it's bulging even slightly get a new one.
Report back and let us know.
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Galaxy Note II GT-N7100 battery problem

Hi guys, I just got my galaxy note II for like 2 weeks ago. And i've noticed a problem about my phone.
My galaxy note II will drain the battery for like more than 20% ( 20%-25% ) while its in idle. Which means after i fully charged my phone, i unplugged the charger and i used it for awhile more like it was left 92% before i slept. Then the next day when i woke up i noticed that my phone's battery drained about 20++%, it became 79% (i slept for 8-9 hours). I didnt leave it with wifi on. I just left it with 3G & power saving on!!!! This is a serious problem, i mean how is it possible to drain for 20% just for around 9 hours of sleep.
And one more question, how long does your galaxy note II battery last after a full charge with you playing checking the phone for message once for almost every 20 mins?
Normally i woke up around 9am for work and by the time i reach home at night around 12am. It still has around 30% of battery. But today, this strange thing happened. I unplugged my phone around 9.30 am. Starting of the day was okay, it was normal. But right after it was reduced to 60%, the battery started to drain faster. By 8.30am it was already left 25%.
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GUYS HELP PLEASE!!! AS IM NEW HERE. REALLY REALLY NEED A SUGGESTION ABOUT WHAT TO DO TO MY PHONE.
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Boeugeneboo said:
Hi guys, I just got my galaxy note II for like 2 weeks ago. And i've noticed a problem about my phone.
My galaxy note II will drain the battery for like more than 20% ( 20%-25% ) while its in idle. Which means after i fully charged my phone, i unplugged the charger and i used it for awhile more like it was left 92% before i slept. Then the next day when i woke up i noticed that my phone's battery drained about 20++%, it became 79% (i slept for 8-9 hours). I didnt leave it with wifi on. I just left it with 3G & power saving on!!!! This is a serious problem, i mean how is it possible to drain for 20% just for around 9 hours of sleep.
And one more question, how long does your galaxy note II battery last after a full charge with you playing checking the phone for message once for almost every 20 mins?
Normally i woke up around 9am for work and by the time i reach home at night around 12am. It still has around 30% of battery. But today, this strange thing happened. I unplugged my phone around 9.30 am. Starting of the day was okay, it was normal. But right after it was reduced to 60%, the battery started to drain faster. By 8.30am it was already left 25%.
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GUYS HELP PLEASE!!! AS IM NEW HERE. REALLY REALLY NEED A SUGGESTION ABOUT WHAT TO DO TO MY PHONE.
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Yes the battery does drain even as you sleep. Keeping 3G on actually drains more than Wifi. So if you really want to preserve your battery overnight, turn off your mobile data totally. It is somewhat an annoyance that you can't choose between 2G/3G like you do with iPhone. If you still want that connectivity, leave wifi on instead of mobile data.Give it a try for one night and see how it goes.
Are you using any power saving apps?

x3ternalx said:
Yes the battery does drain even as you sleep. Keeping 3G on actually drains more than Wifi. So if you really want to preserve your battery overnight, turn off your mobile data totally. It is somewhat an annoyance that you can't choose between 2G/3G like you do with iPhone. If you still want that connectivity, leave wifi on instead of mobile data.Give it a try for one night and see how it goes.
Are you using any power saving apps?
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I just tried again last night and it drains from 100% to 81% from 8 hours of sleep? Is it really normal?
I am using this app callee "cpu spy". Over 8 hours of state time. Only 5 and a half hour my phone is actually in deep sleep. 200mhz for almost nearly 2 hours. And the rest go to 1000mhz and 1400mhz. Do you understand what it means? I dont. Can you please explain?
And im not using any battery saving app. Any suggestions?

Boeugeneboo said:
I just tried again last night and it drains from 100% to 81% from 8 hours of sleep? Is it really normal?
I am using this app callee "cpu spy". Over 8 hours of state time. Only 5 and a half hour my phone is actually in deep sleep. 200mhz for almost nearly 2 hours. And the rest go to 1000mhz and 1400mhz. Do you understand what it means? I dont. Can you please explain?
And im not using any battery saving app. Any suggestions?
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Post some screenshots of your battery usage.

Strange, for me the battery is quite long lasting. What application is draining your battery?
Attached my screen shoot.
Sorry for the chinese menu.

Follow the link in my sig towards How to flash a custom rom (no i am not asking u to flash one). U will find one tab for useful links. That thread can help you debug your issue as well as suggest probable solutions.
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xartic12 said:
post some screenshots of your battery usage.
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Boeugeneboo said:
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Under where it says screen usage 48%, click on that to further expand on that. Then post that screenshot.

x3ternalx said:
Yes the battery does drain even as you sleep. Keeping 3G on actually drains more than Wifi. So if you really want to preserve your battery overnight, turn off your mobile data totally. It is somewhat an annoyance that you can't choose between 2G/3G like you do with iPhone. If you still want that connectivity, leave wifi on instead of mobile data.Give it a try for one night and see how it goes.
Are you using any power saving apps?
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You can change between 2g and 3g.
More settings > mobile network. GSM is 2g and wcdma is 3g.
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Op have you installed viber by any chance? This app drained my battery quickly even when I am not using it.

Serious battery drain, don't know why?

For I guess about the past couple weeks my GS3 has been getting horrible battery life. I fully charge it, then unplug it and it's down to like 95% within like 10 minutes without any usage. I have the screen saver on so the screen is only at like 30% or so, but when I go to Settings then Battery it says that the screen is eating up 86% of my battery and I have no idea why! Any help would really be appreciated!!

Paulx777 said:
For I guess about the past couple weeks my GS3 has been getting horrible battery life. I fully charge it, then unplug it and it's down to like 95% within like 10 minutes without any usage. I have the screen saver on so the screen is only at like 30% or so, but when I go to Settings then Battery it says that the screen is eating up 86% of my battery and I have no idea why! Any help would really be appreciated!!
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BetterBatteryStats log please.

Paulx777 said:
For I guess about the past couple weeks my GS3 has been getting horrible battery life. I fully charge it, then unplug it and it's down to like 95% within like 10 minutes without any usage. I have the screen saver on so the screen is only at like 30% or so, but when I go to Settings then Battery it says that the screen is eating up 86% of my battery and I have no idea why! Any help would really be appreciated!!
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I had a similar issue with the charger that came with my GS3, started using a kernel with fast charge for around a month then it just wouldn't charge at all, phone would light up and say it was charging but battery kept draining. I tried another USB cable and now it works like normal, fast charge and normal drain. I've done a bit of research on it and if the pins don't get a good contact then the voltage drops and I guess a low voltage charge doesn't last long at all.

Aerowinder said:
BetterBatteryStats log please.
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Will get it ASAP.

Is the battery life normal or is this a serious problem?

I've a brand new Xiaomi Mi 10T Lite, but since a few days I notice that it seems that the battery is draining fast.
So I've done a test: I've charged my phone to 100% and used it until it turned off due to too low battery and it lasted 23 hours and 3 minutes.
But I doubt if this is normal and I'm kinda worried about it.
I've bluetooth off, and wifi is always on except when I go outside and then I use mobile data.
I use my phone for surfing, using social media, chatting, gaming, making nice pics and more.
So is the battery life normal or is this a serious problem?

is 23hr bad ? I feel like my one is always above 80% as it charges that fast I don't seem to notice the battery being low

deanlee121 said:
is 23hr bad ? I feel like my one is always above 80% as it charges that fast I don't seem to notice the battery being low
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I dunno

I haven't mentioned the standby time and the active time in the topic, and I cannot find that data anymore so that means I have to do the test again

I would advise to install AccuBattery app, fully charge the phone and look at screen off and screen on power consumption at the end of the day.
These numbers are "normal":
Screen off - no activity (over night or phone just laying down for a few hours): 0.2-0.3%/h
Screen off - the usual daily activity (moving around with the phone in the pocket, Whatsapp for web active, Google location tracking active etc.): up to 1.3%/h
Screen on - about 7-9%/h

I'll do another test on Friday as I said.
I'll charge the phone to 100% and use it until the phone turns itself off due to low battery and look at the active time then.
I'll post the results here if the test is done.

What were the results?

jinz24 said:
What were the results?
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I'll tell it you once I've the results.

Today I've redone the test.
I charged my phone to 100% and I then I used it until it was 5%.
I got an active time of 5 hours and 27 minutes and the standby time is 18 hours and 1 minute

Googole said:
Today I've redone the test.
I charged my phone to 100% and I then I used it until it was 5%.
I got an active time of 5 hours and 27 minutes and the standby time is 18 hours and 1 minute
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My phone is pretty new and I am using it more frequently these days. This leads to similar battery times like you describe them.
I did not do the exact same discharging like you did, but imo battery drains mainly during screen-on time. Over night it is quite stable and only slowly discharging.
Maybe power consumption is dominated by the LED screen? This might be the reason why Xiaomi has such an aggressive screen dimming implemented...
I think what _mysiak_ is describing above, is pretty accurate and explains what you are observing.

Googole said:
Today I've redone the test.
I charged my phone to 100% and I then I used it until it was 5%.
I got an active time of 5 hours and 27 minutes and the standby time is 18 hours and 1 minute
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Unless your trying to calibrate the battery that's really stressful to the battery to use it like that.
Puts a lot of wear on it... fast.

blackhawk said:
Unless your trying to calibrate the battery that's really stressful to the battery to use it like that.
Puts a lot of wear on it... fast.
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I know that, and I used to do that all the time but when I received my new phone I changed my habits.
I'm now trying to keep my battery level between 90% and 40% or 30%.

Googole said:
I know that, and I used to do that all the time but when I received my new phone I changed my habits.
I'm now trying to keep my battery level between 90% and 40% or 30%.
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I go with a maximum 80% cutoff.
My current target range is 45-72%