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The future of charging through USB

Before to long we might be able to plug our devices into our computer and they will charge!
http://www.thinq.co.uk/2011/8/10/new-usb-specification-promises-100w-power/

Thanks for the relay, great find! With these newer devices it really makes sense and heck, why to I need seperate power bricks for my USB hub, speakers, and mouse charging base. Getting to a single USB cable would be ideal down the line. I had just ready recently how Apple has adopted the Thunderbolt cable for something similar (though not as powerful watt wise). It's a good trend. I can't wait to get a desk that doesn't have a rats nest zip-tied under it

My gt10 already charges off my laptop. Am I missing something?

slack04 said:
My gt10 already charges off my laptop. Am I missing something?
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Yes, this new spec is 100 watts. Enough to power printers and just about any other USB device.

slack04 said:
My gt10 already charges off my laptop. Am I missing something?
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..not at 2 amps like the wall charger (unless you have something special).

slack04 said:
My gt10 already charges off my laptop. Am I missing something?
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Ever notice how it takes about twice the amount of time to charge?

Its actually about the same if you use one of the following charging/data cables linked below. I have both of them. I use one for my car and one at work. I was actually very impressed by the quality and function of these cables for what I paid. I plug in my tab at work to charge via laptop usb when the battery is below 15% and it charges it to 100% in about 6 hours. If you are looking for an extra cable, I highly recommend the first one.
http://goo.gl/VJDYK
http://goo.gl/c2Q5H

media_11 said:
Its actually about the same if you use one of the following charging/data cables linked below. I have both of them. I use one for my car and one at work. I was actually very impressed by the quality and function of these cables for what I paid. I plug in my tab at work to charge via laptop usb when the battery is below 15% and it charges it to 100% in about 6 hours. If you are looking for an extra cable, I highly recommend the first one.
http://goo.gl/VJDYK
http://goo.gl/c2Q5H
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I just ordered two of the first link. I hope it works as you claim it does. Thanks for the tip!
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That sounds cool, but will computer have that much power to offer?
Or could it overload it's power source?

emanuel12 said:
That sounds cool, but will computer have that much power to offer?
Or could it overload it's power source?
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With everything going greener I'd expect all but some high end systems have plenty to spare from the 300-500 watt PS. Heck, smart PS with the right USB implementations could allow charging with the PC off for these gadgets and even cutting the power to charge off when it senses the devices are charged. It's all spes and who follows them though. Pretty cool even if it works for just a few features.

emanuel12 said:
That sounds cool, but will computer have that much power to offer?
Or could it overload it's power source?
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I doubt you would be able to use this in Laptops. My laptops power supply is 90W, they would have to double the size of the power brick and that would be annoying. But, for desktops, this could be nice with like a 600W PSU.

tghockey07 said:
I doubt you would be able to use this in Laptops. My laptops power supply is 90W, they would have to double the size of the power brick and that would be annoying. But, for desktops, this could be nice with like a 600W PSU.
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Maybe in the future you will be able to charge your laptop through your desktops USB port and get rid of the brick

ericlmccormick said:
Maybe in the future you will be able to charge your laptop through your desktops USB port and get rid of the brick
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Would it help to plug your laptop into your laptop USB port...infinite loop....

I have a USB 3.0 host card in my desktop machine. It has a connector for a hard drive power cable in order to have enough charge power.
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Charging via USB on computer

My device charges very slowly if the display is off. If the display is on it does not charge at all.
I've installed the Samsung drivers from the website. Is anyone else able to charge their device via USB? I need to know if I should exchange mine.
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I was able to charge my sgs2 yesterday at work through the usb port. It might be the phone, or maybe the usb port you are trying to use doesn't have enough juice to charge the phone? have you tried another usb port on the computer?

usb will always charge really slow compared to an wall outlet

Yes I have tried multiple ports, computers, and cables. Oh well, I guess I'll live with it.
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dimitrie said:
usb will always charge really slow compared to an wall outlet
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what he said
if you want fast charging, do it from a wall outlet

jasontx said:
My device charges very slowly if the display is off. If the display is on it does not charge at all.
I've installed the Samsung drivers from the website. Is anyone else able to charge their device via USB? I need to know if I should exchange mine.
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USB supplies max 500mA. Is probably half what the wall charger is giving you. Nexus S is only 750. My guess gsII is 1000 (1A). iPad charger is 2A.
Edit: no a higher power one than the stock charger won't charge the phone faster in a noticeable way. Charging circuits in remotely modern phones limit current to that safe max. If they don't you're probably risking damaging your phone.
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I understand that the USB on the computer is weaker. I was surprised to see that when the phone was connected to the computer, screen on, and streaming music that my battery was actually reducing slowly. I would expect the opposite and this behavior seems abnormal.
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that's exactly the reason why in car i use the 2A charger (2000 mAh), and in house i use 1000 mAh wall charger
if i leave it at the computer USB charging, i've to keep it iddle for it to charge after like... 4+ hours
that's usually what i do at the work place, so i keep the battery topped up, for when i need to jump back in the road
as long as you have WiFi on, or 3G/4G on, or if the CPU is in high activity, you'll never see the charge ever reaching the battery.
i always keep a spare wall charger at the office as well for times when i need a quick charge

Thanks for the input everyone! I'm glad it's not defective cause I love this phone!
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My issue is a little different but decided against another thread. My phone will not charge with any other cable. Has to be pluged in to oem cable. I left it all night on my old phones charger and woke up with it almost dead. Plugged into oem it just charges super slow. Should i take it back?
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Does the other micro USB cable work with other devices? If not, might be a defective cable.
On a side note, who prefers to charge via 500mah vs 1A? I have been charging my phone since day one using my printer, as well as my old Iphone. My battery performance is great! +24 hours on a single charge with moderate browsing 50/50 wifi and 4g. I typically enable the "power save" feature with minimal brightness and 15 sec screen timeout.

I worked on other devices
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[Q] Charging problem
I have an issue that has popped up today. When charging through PC, the phone (not battery) is getting pretty hot and losing charge. I'm not sure what could be causing it. I stopped all extra processes and turned off the screen. This is not occurring when the phone is off.

[Q] Car charger recommendations

Hello. I'm trying to pick a car charger that would work with the galaxy nexus. from what I've read so far the samsung CAD300UBEB/STD model seems to do the trick but a few review says that the battery discharges faster than the charger can charge it back under heavy usage. can anybody confirm or deny this?
and also, I would like to know if that same charger would work for a galaxy S2. I'm looking for a charger than can be used with both models because I have both phones. the listing of models in amazon website doesn't list the nexus or the S2. so I want to make sure before buying it. thanks!

I'm also interested. I was just looking at this discussion on Reddit taht goes a little more in depth
http://www.reddit.com/r/Android/comments/nwerk/why_is_my_galaxy_nexus_losing_power_while_plugged/

KidCuda said:
I'm also interested. I was just looking at this discussion on Reddit taht goes a little more in depth
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The motorola charger listed there seems work well for the nexus and also for the S2 according to amazon reviews.

I went with one of these and a USB cable, and it seems to work just fine. Also gives me a spare USB port for additional charging.

mb_3000 said:
The motorola charger listed there seems work well for the nexus and also for the S2 according to amazon reviews.
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I have the Motorola one already (the one with the blue LED) when I had my Droid 3, now it can't keep up with the Nexus' power drain. Just using it moderately on 3G only in the car today had it drain 3% over 40 minutes.

TheKaz said:
I went with one of these and a USB cable, and it seems to work just fine. Also gives me a spare USB port for additional charging.
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not according to this guy
I have a galaxy nexus cell phone which requires probably around 1.5 Amps when using GPS. The phone does not come with the car charger. It only comes with a 2A wall charger. My temporary solution has been to use a car power inverter that has house-type outlets on it (which I already had) so that I can use the wall charger in the car. This has been working fine, but for obvious reasons, is not my desired long-term solution.
Enter this piece of crap. Now, the phone and only requires a little over 1 A with GPS. With the real two amp wall charger, I am able to both run GPS and charge the battery pretty darn fast. But, with this charger, not only can I not use GPS without draining the battery, but even when not using anything special, the battery charging times are horrendous.
Stay far, far away.
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not according to this guy
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Wow... granted, I am not using a GPS, but I never really checked the charge times. I don't rely on it for a fast full-charge.. usually just plug it in on the trip home and charge as much as it can until I plug it in at home.
Thanks for the heads up.. I am gonna have to keep an eye on it now.

TheKaz said:
Wow... granted, I am not using a GPS, but I never really checked the charge times. I don't rely on it for a fast full-charge.. usually just plug it in on the trip home and charge as much as it can until I plug it in at home.
Thanks for the heads up.. I am gonna have to keep an eye on it now.
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I've researched this pretty thoroughly, and the key question is whether or not your GN shows "AC" when you check the Battery status, or if it shows "USB."
With most car chargers, it is seen as "USB" as if it's plugged into a computer, and will draw minimal current, generally not enough to keep up. I had 2 different chargers in my cars, none of which showed as "AC". I bought and then returned the Griffin PowerJolt Dual USB Micro Charger - it also showed as only "USB."
Finally, in one of the other Android forums I've been monitoring on this issue, somebody came across this one:
HTC T-Mobile myTouch 3G Car Charger
$3.12, free shipping. Mine came yesterday, plugged it in, and finally my GN showed charging as "AC".
Hope this helps!

When your smartphone shows your charger as ''USB'' this means that the USB data lines in the charger are not short-circuited. Then smartphone reduces its charging current to avoind any problems with USB laptop power sources
I made some experiments to check this point : see http://78michel.unblog.fr/?p=184.
I also opened a car charger and short-circuited the data lines on USB the plug . That way I have solved my previuos charging problem in my car during long trip.

DLCPhoto said:
I've researched this pretty thoroughly, and the key question is whether or not your GN shows "AC" when you check the Battery status, or if it shows "USB."
With most car chargers, it is seen as "USB" as if it's plugged into a computer, and will draw minimal current, generally not enough to keep up. I had 2 different chargers in my cars, none of which showed as "AC". I bought and then returned the Griffin PowerJolt Dual USB Micro Charger - it also showed as only "USB."
Finally, in one of the other Android forums I've been monitoring on this issue, somebody came across this one:
HTC T-Mobile myTouch 3G Car Charger
$3.12, free shipping. Mine came yesterday, plugged it in, and finally my GN showed charging as "AC".
Hope this helps!
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It helped indeed, thanks for the link!

this is what i bought: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000S5Q9CA/ref=oh_o03_s00_i00_details
i've used it now 4 times, twice on a trip from south florida to orlando.
It charges the phone just as fast, if not faster than my home charger. On the way back, my phone was at 35%, within 2 hours it was back up to 100%. No GPS and a couple phone calls.
on the way up, GPS on and it never dropped below 97%.
so i can tell you without any doubt what-so-ever that this charger works perfectly with the galaxy nexus and will charge it with Navigation and phone calls running.

TheKaz said:
I went with one of these and a USB cable, and it seems to work just fine. Also gives me a spare USB port for additional charging.
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I bought a charger very similar to this one and it works great in my car. I make sure any charger I get is rated 5V DC at 1000mAh at least.

I have 2 USB 2.5A dongle chargers, one by Belkin and the other by Kingston. Both register as charging via "USB mode" and do not provide sufficient power while the phone is in use(loses charge usually). I also have that Motorola Rapid charger but the way the cable is designed it tugs on the USB port and comes loose often. I ended up just using the normal USB cable that comes with the phone and a 140W power inverter. Granted, it's not the most compact of devices, but it works well. I got it from Walmart for $20. Here's a link to it:
http://www.walmart.com/ip/Schumacher-XI14-Power-Inverter/15140199?findingMethod=rr
(and yes, using a power inverter will have the phone registering as "charging AC" and give a full proper charge.)

I'm using a Scoshe (sp?) dual USB port charger I picked up from Staples. It has a 1amp port and a 2.1amp port and I just use the micro usb cable the GNex came with

neok44 said:
this is what i bought: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000S5Q9CA/ref=oh_o03_s00_i00_details
i've used it now 4 times, twice on a trip from south florida to orlando.
It charges the phone just as fast, if not faster than my home charger. On the way back, my phone was at 35%, within 2 hours it was back up to 100%. No GPS and a couple phone calls.
on the way up, GPS on and it never dropped below 97%.
so i can tell you without any doubt what-so-ever that this charger works perfectly with the galaxy nexus and will charge it with Navigation and phone calls running.
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Thanks! that's what I wanted to hear. I'm getting this one. it works for both Nexus and GSII

trueislander said:
I'm using a Scoshe (sp?) dual USB port charger I picked up from Staples. It has a 1amp port and a 2.1amp port and I just use the micro usb cable the GNex came with
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Does it charge as USB or AC with the scosche? I'm looking for a dual USB car charger that will work properly with the GN.

jhuynh said:
Does it charge as USB or AC with the scosche? I'm looking for a dual USB car charger that will work properly with the GN.
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There was another thread, I think in the General that discussed all of this, what people came up with was the best combination if you want a dual port usb charger is to make sure you have a "charging only" USB cable. This cable will not make your phone think it is connected to a computer. You can tweek a data/charging cable to work but some people messed that up so it is probably worth just spending the $4 on a cable that works.
Here is my combination that works great. With this set up I can have on my navigation going with the screen on the whole time and stream Pandora over Bluetooth into my car and the battery still charges really quickly.
Dual USB Port with a 1 amp port and a 2.1 amp port (2.1 amp port is for tablets or power hungry devices - like the phone while navigating). http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0056VNVV8/ref=oh_o01_s00_i01_details
Charging Only USB cable:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B003VYBCAY/ref=oh_o00_s00_i00_details
This combo has me as "Charging AC" whenever I am in the car and I still have a port open to charge another one of the 27 or so different electronic devices that seem to clutter my life!

Some details on the changes I made on my car chargers
Text is in french but photographs speak by themselves http://78michel.unblog.fr/?p=212

jhuynh said:
Does it charge as USB or AC with the scosche? I'm looking for a dual USB car charger that will work properly with the GN.
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Just like bmolly said, it works as AC is you use a "charge only" cable

bmolloy said:
There was another thread, I think in the General that discussed all of this, what people came up with was the best combination if you want a dual port usb charger is to make sure you have a "charging only" USB cable. This cable will not make your phone think it is connected to a computer. You can tweek a data/charging cable to work but some people messed that up so it is probably worth just spending the $4 on a cable that works.
Here is my combination that works great. With this set up I can have on my navigation going with the screen on the whole time and stream Pandora over Bluetooth into my car and the battery still charges really quickly.
Dual USB Port with a 1 amp port and a 2.1 amp port (2.1 amp port is for tablets or power hungry devices - like the phone while navigating). http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0056VNVV8/ref=oh_o01_s00_i01_details
Charging Only USB cable:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B003VYBCAY/ref=oh_o00_s00_i00_details
This combo has me as "Charging AC" whenever I am in the car and I still have a port open to charge another one of the 27 or so different electronic devices that seem to clutter my life!
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Thanks for this. It's been driving me mad how car chargers and cables are so inconsistent. Pun intended.
Seriously, why can they come up with a standard and call it a day?
I have a had a few GPS/Pandora runs. Even while it says AC charging and my charger is rated for 1A, it drains the battery by 300-400ma.

USB Fast Charge mod

Hello I was wondering if there is a mod to have usb fast charge when plugged into the comp. I just came from a Inc and there was a mod flashable through cwm. it was very nice. it charged the phone just as fast as an outlet, if not faster. is there a mod?
thanks

Interesting... I'd be interested in this as well.
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+1 this would be great!

Agreed, awesomeness would ensue.
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the developer behind it for the htc Inc was chad0989
. he made the incredikernels and the incredicontrol app. tried to use incredicontrol app just for fast charging but didnt work since the kernel doesnt support HAVS or SVS. Im on Francos btw

Imoseyon said once any speed charges were done by taking code out that slows it. Nexus doesn't have it in kernel now according to him so not likely.
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cricketsmoke said:
Imoseyon said once any speed charges were done by taking code out that slows it. Nexus doesn't have it in kernel now according to him so not likely.
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Would there be a way to selectively trigger AC mode as opposed to USB mode?

just asked this in the IRC chan and few devs said doing this could mess up your computer system. point of the hack would be to trick the cheap car chargers into giving u the full charge, not the computer.

droidkevlar said:
just asked this in the IRC chan and few devs said doing this could mess up your computer system. point of the hack would be to trick the cheap car chargers into giving u the full charge, not the computer.
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hmm well i know chad did it and no one that has ever used it had a problem. my computer is fine and so was my phone. il send him a pm and see if he responds

sent him a pm

is it possible to take apart his incredicontrol apk and see how it works that way? its in the market

droidkevlar said:
just asked this in the IRC chan and few devs said doing this could mess up your computer system. point of the hack would be to trick the cheap car chargers into giving u the full charge, not the computer.
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Not many motherboards have USB ports capable of supplying current in excess of the spec 500mA.
Research modding your (car?) Charger to be detected as AC charger instead of USB.
Sent from my Nexus Prime.

What about a mod that allows the 3 pogo pins to receive more than 500mA(recognized as USB)? That seems ridiculously low and is far more relevant/needed. If you want to charge through the pogo pins you are just SOL.

Moved to General.

morfic said:
Not many motherboards have USB ports capable of supplying current in excess of the spec 500mA.
Research modding your (car?) Charger to be detected as AC charger instead of USB.
Sent from my Nexus Prime.
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I haven't seen a device that can't do 1A over USB in like a decade.
Hell, even non-PCs have no problems with it. I've done it off a Wii before just for fun.
A lot of newer motherboards can even do 2A over USB (to charge iPads). Most ASUS boards in the past 2-3 years have this as an advertised feature (asus ai charger).

Very interested in this actually. Not so much for USB/AC charging on a computer, but for MHL AC charging.
With the current MHL adapters (even when plugged into an AC outlet), the Gnex reports USB charging. To make maters worse, the screen does not shut off on the Gnex. After an hour or two your battery will die. 500ma is just not enough.
The MHL spec says that 500ma is the charging spec. However, I tweeted with Tim Wong:
http://twitter.com/WongTim
He is the president of the MHL association and he said 500MA is the minimum, not the maximum. My quess is that the Gnex won't try to draw more than 500MA since the data pins can't be shorted on the MHL connector.
I think the MHL adapter will provide for more current, just like most laptops and desktops.
With this mod, it would be nice to tell the Gnex to AC charge. Tim suggest that the phone should not draw more than safely required so long as the voltage doesn't drop on the MHL adapter/MHL tv.
I think the Gnex, by design looks for the shorted data pins and doesn't try to push the envelope as far as monitoring the voltage drop on a USB detected power source.

I recall reading about some smoking/dead phones from fast charging mods. Thanks but no thanks.

sruel3216 said:
Hello I was wondering if there is a mod to have usb fast charge when plugged into the comp. I just came from a Inc and there was a mod flashable through cwm. it was very nice. it charged the phone just as fast as an outlet, if not faster. is there a mod?
thanks
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I came at this problem from a different angle and accidentally found a solution for you. I have an iPad and it wouldnt charge from my PC so did some research and came up with this:
http://event.asus.com/mb/2010/ai_charger/
Its a free driver from asus that increases the max amp on USB bus. Supports most mobos and works awesome on my PC and dell laptop, I can now charge the iPad on there.
It also has the benefit of fast charging of my Nexus. Double win.
EDIT: Ignore the ****ty site design, it looks terrible but does as it says

TheBishopOfSoho said:
I came at this problem from a different angle and accidentally found a solution for you. I have an iPad and it wouldnt charge from my PC so did some research and came up with this:
http://event.asus.com/mb/2010/ai_charger/
Its a free driver from asus that increases the max amp on USB bus. Supports most mobos and works awesome on my PC and dell laptop, I can now charge the iPad on there.
It also has the benefit of fast charging of my Nexus. Double win.
EDIT: Ignore the ****ty site design, it looks terrible but does as it says
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Just installed and will give it a go. Wish me luck people.
Edit: Didn't work for me. Same charging speed with and without it.

Here is a pm back from chad:
I'll look into it and see if I can come up with something for the gnex also. I do not plan to release a kernel, but possibly I could provide a patch.
Can you get me a kmsg (/proc/kmsg) while you plug your phone into an AC source, and then a USB source?
adb shell "cat /proc/kmsg"
Also a log of the power draw while connected to USB and to AC
Thanks

M9 slow charge or no charge in the car

I've got a 3.1A car charger but when I plug in the M9 I get the show charge warning. With the GPS and Bluetooth it isn't strong enough to charge the phone. Is this the phone or do I need a different charger.

I'm having the same problem. My charger in my car is actually sucking the charge out of my phone. I'm going to buy one from HTC direct. I just got the Quick Charge 2.0 and that seems to be working. Works better with the screen off. But you're not the only one going through this.

I get the same issue with mine, I tend to find the car charger doesn't actually charge the phone, but just maintains the current level of charge. Going to purchase the one offered through the HTC site

kruuth said:
I've got a 3.1A car charger but when I plug in the M9 I get the show charge warning. With the GPS and Bluetooth it isn't strong enough to charge the phone. Is this the phone or do I need a different charger.
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Try switching USB cables.

stevedebi said:
Try switching USB cables.
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Which cables?

PunishedSnake said:
Which cables?
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The USB cable that plugs into the charger and then into your phone. I've seen reports where changing out the cable made a difference.

stevedebi said:
The USB cable that plugs into the charger and then into your phone. I've seen reports where changing out the cable made a difference.
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I know that I meant which cables since the are lots

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I know that I meant which cables since the are lots
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Ideally, one that works well when plugged in at home. That way you know the cable is good.

Usually your phone will stop charging if the phone gets too hot. Do you live in a hot area? It could be because of that.

zoome9 said:
Usually your phone will stop charging if the phone gets too hot. Do you live in a hot area? It could be because of that.
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Central CA but its not even hot