Is there a way to download apk files from the market directly on to your pc? I dont have wi-fi at home and i dont have an unlimited data package on my XPlay so the data charges to download things from the market is quite expensive. It would certainly make life easier if I could just transfer the apk's via usb
No, nothing official at least
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Is there a way to download apk files from the market directly on to your pc? I dont have wi-fi at home and i dont have an unlimited data package on my XPlay so the data charges to download things from the market is quite expensive. It would certainly make life easier if I could just transfer the apk's via usb
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Not officially no, but illegally yes. i wouldn't go into details here as it can you banned though.
but at the moment no you can't google assumes we all have wi-fi and if apps were offline available it might lead to piracy on paid apps
Why don't you go to a mates house and downloads apps or school/college/uni or a library, or a wi-fi enabled internet cafe
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Not officially no, but illegally yes. i wouldn't go into details here as it can you banned though.
but at the moment no you can't google assumes we all have wi-fi and if apps were offline available it might lead to piracy on paid apps
Why don't you go to a mates house and downloads apps or school/college/uni or a library, or a wi-fi enabled internet cafe
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I think thats what im gonna have to do. Either that or buy a wireless router :/ I might do a bit of research on some of these "frowned upon" methods of doing it first though
If you don't want a proper wifi network why don't you just get a USB wifi dongle for your PC and share the internet connection to your phone. If you're PC already has wifi built in as most do you don't need to buy anything.
Hi,
you can download a few free apps over here - apkmarket.de
just copy the file on sdcard & install it with a filemanager on your device ;-)
cheers,
Tut Tut Tut that's illegal and it can get you banned from xda
I think
Why is this illegal? I can't find any paid apps on this site..
Dont think it is if there just free downloadable applications
correct me if i'm wrong
Lybserv said:
Why is this illegal? I can't find any paid apps on this site..
Dont think it is if there just free downloadable applications
correct me if i'm wrong
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Well if there all free it shouldn't be a problem thought it was something like apkt**.com
Lybserv said:
Why is this illegal? I can't find any paid apps on this site..
Dont think it is if there just free downloadable applications
correct me if i'm wrong
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Best place for free apps is getjar.com. They have a section called "gold apps" too. With there gold apps, they have done deals with the app devs to provide you selected paid apps for free.
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Well if there all free it shouldn't be a problem thought it was something like apkt**.com
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there is a method to get .apk from the android market (http://market.android.com). But just a disclaimer, this doesn't apply to every app on the market.
Just click the app author's name and it will show you the list of other apps the author has on the market. On that page, there is a link saying "visit website for <author>", follow that link. If the author has his website tied directly to sites.google.com, at the bottom of that page there are options to download the .apk of his apps directly to your PC. Of course this mostly happens to apps which are free to begin with.
But just in case, you can also try going to the author's official website and check if they offer their apps as direct .apk download. HTH
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Hi guys, i seriously need help..
I am from Sudan,and here we can not access all google services including Market!
everytime i try to access market from my phone it just closes, and from my laptop it says "you're accessing from a forbidden country"
Is there a way to access the market cause its really important!
I already tried Orbot and Transparent Proxy apps but with no luck..
any help is greatly appreciated
matius44 said:
Hi guys, i seriously need help..
I am from Sudan,and here we can not access all google services including Market!
everytime i try to access market from my phone it just closes, and from my laptop it says "you're accessing from a forbidden country"
Is there a way to access the market cause its really important!
I already tried Orbot and Transparent Proxy apps but with no luck..
any help is greatly appreciated
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GOOGLE MARKET ITS RESTRICTED FOR SUDAN????? why??CAN YOU EXPLAIN-ME IT MATE?
well you allways can download the apk´s from internet... if you know what do you need
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GOOGLE MARKET ITS RESTRICTED FOR SUDAN????? why??CAN YOU EXPLAIN-ME IT MATE?
well you allways can download the apk´s from internet... if you know what do you need
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loool, tell me about it! its completely redicolous! but every google product is restricted, even Chrome for God's sake! I had to install it from the forums!
back on topic, i have the market apk and its already bundled with LeeDrOiD ROM 3.0.2 that am running right now, but whenever i open the market open, it just says loading and then close!
Even with the web market,when i try to add my device it says "forbidden country"!!!
and btw, also in Syria
Hmmmm idk if i can post this link in here... correct me if i am wrong
i think this is a good alternative for the original android market app
the appplanet application
applanet.net
matius44 said:
loool, tell me about it! its completely redicolous! but every google product is restricted, even Chrome for God's sake! I had to install it from the forums!
back on topic, i have the market apk and its already bundled with LeeDrOiD ROM 3.0.2 that am running right now, but whenever i open the market open, it just says loading and then close!
Even with the web market,when i try to add my device it says "forbidden country"!!!
and btw, also in Syria
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WFT?¿?¿?¿?seems a ****ing kidding LOL
well bro´ you can download from this link without problems the all the apk´s that you desire:::
https://market.android.com/
it solves your problem relatively....
It's warez and am sure its illegal to use that..and i also think it's not safe to do so..
I just need an app or a way so i can change my location or something like this so google's servers will let me use the market!
But thanks for you're help
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well bro´ you can download from this link without problems the all the apk´s that you desire
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I tried the website but unfortunately it redirects me to the market app to download the app and the problem remains still :-(
matius44 said:
It's warez and am sure its illegal to use that..and i also think it's not safe to do so..
I just need an app or a way so i can change my location or something like this so google's servers will let me use the market!
But thanks for you're help
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change your location?
it will include to change the server as/400 direction all somethings more...
in a few words you are talking abut hack the google market
i think that it its a little bit hard for to me...... LOL its a joke!
if i find any response i send to you a personal message an then i post here the solution...i´m going to read something about
but it seems that you are unable to use android market.
the last question is: you can use google browser¿?
cheeers mate
Ear you to speak of cyrket? Its an alternative market out of the laws of google maybe it functions correctly....
in cyrket there are a lot of app (there are several chinnesse app but there are english, spanishhh,, from the a lot of developers if you browse well
http://www.cyrket.com/search?market=android&category=6953
but i believe that it redirects back to android market too....
matius44 said:
Hi guys, i seriously need help..
I am from Sudan,and here we can not access all google services including Market!
everytime i try to access market from my phone it just closes, and from my laptop it says "you're accessing from a forbidden country"
Is there a way to access the market cause its really important!
I already tried Orbot and Transparent Proxy apps but with no luck..
any help is greatly appreciated
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Try an app called market access. Google it or search xda. It will let you pick the country's market you want.
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Try an app called market access. Google it or search xda. It will let you pick the country's market you want.
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Thanks but i tried that app and Marketenabler as well but neither of them worked
SERGI.3210 said:
if i find any response i send to you a personal message an then i post here the solution...i´m going to read something about
but it seems that you are unable to use android market.
the last question is: you can use google browser¿?
cheeers mate
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Thank you alot for you're help mate..
And yea i can use google search and google browser "Chrome", What i meant is that i can not get google's products directly from them, i have to find them elsewhere..and thats the problem with the market, there is no other market!
Any help guys ?
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Any help guys ?
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u tried with the link for the cyrket market that i put in the page 1 of the thread?
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u tried with the link for the cyrket market that i put in the page 1 of the thread?
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am sorry i took long to reply but i was out all day,actually i tried you're link "thanks for it btw" but the problem with it is not all apps are there and when they are thery're not the latest version
matius44 said:
am sorry i took long to reply but i was out all day,actually i tried you're link "thanks for it btw" but the problem with it is not all apps are there and when they are thery're not the latest version
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I'll pray for you
if you know the application name, just add .apk to the application name and try to download it from 4shared.com. you will find most of the Apps, but to be true, that will not be as great as access to Market. Here in Dubai,we have access to only FREE apps in the market, but where as i travel to India, i can purchase apps from Market. so try moving to another country
Good Luck.
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so try moving to another country
Good Luck.
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LOOL, as sad as it sounds that made me laugh
but thanks for ur help mate
No Android Market in Sudan
Same problem my friend from Sudan. iam also from Sudan and iam the only one here who understand you very well...I used Applanet since i came from outside sudan..then it stop working...finally i use to search manually for applications in the web.....
but....
laugh a lot when you see all these commercials about android in Sudan....I am using Samsung Galaxy S...worth 500 Euros..but no market.. what a waste...
Root your phone(no need for custom hboot, recovery, rom, or whatever, just root it) and then use market enabler([us] T-mobile setting has all the apps that are on the market I think)...
Does anybody know the name of any file name for the game that is downloaded to the sd card?
Why? Well, when cleaning up my sd card, I copied all game data I had to my pc (including filepaths and everything, to know exactly where to put it back).
For some reason I can't find it on my pc. I just need something to search for. If not I'll just download the files again. I don't want any illegal files or links or anything, just any searchable file name to see of it is still there.
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Do you mean the file folder found in /sdcard/Android/data?
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Do you mean the file folder found in /sdcard/Android/data?
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Possibly. I know that's where most data is stored. Some games are in a game folder. I don't know where I copied it to my pc though. I've found most of what I copied and, for some reason, they're in completely different places. I can't find where I put the Crash files though.
They're either gone (or I didn't copy them before formatting my sd card) or in a folder I can't find. I just need a specific file name to search my pc for. I can't get the download via 3g trick to work again, so can't download til I connect to WiFi (which I'm never connected long enough to do so).
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Or were the files for this already on the sd card? Can't remember.
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/sdcard/Android/data/
then the Crash Bandicoot data is:
com.sony.playstation.NCUA94900_1
That's for me at least.
Thanks. I think I remember now, I formatted without backing it up. I might download it again; I might not. I'm not a big gamer, just wanted to give it a try.
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Do you mean the file folder found in /sdcard/Android/data?
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yes, i want these files urgently.
give me the apk file and the zpak file also.
zohaib anwar said:
yes, i want these files urgently.
give me the apk file and the zpak file also.
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NO. Warez is illegal here. READ THE TERMS & AGREEMENT.
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NO. Warez is illegal here. READ THE TERMS & AGREEMENT.
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Excuse me, but quoting Wikipedia:
"Warez refers primarily to copyrighted works distributed without fees or royalties, and may be traded, in general violation of copyright law. The term generally refers to unauthorized releases by organized groups, as opposed to file sharing between friends or large groups of people with similar interest using a darknet."
It can't be warez because he already paid for the game when he bough his phone, so he didn't avoid paying fees or royalties.
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Excuse me, but quoting Wikipedia:
"Warez refers primarily to copyrighted works distributed without fees or royalties, and may be traded, in general violation of copyright law. The term generally refers to unauthorized releases by organized groups, as opposed to file sharing between friends or large groups of people with similar interest using a darknet."
It can't be warez because he already paid for the game when he bough his phone, so he didn't avoid paying fees or royalties.
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Thats just funny XDA doesn't think that way why dont you post Crash files then and see what happens.
chery2k said:
Thats just funny XDA doesn't think that way why dont you post Crash files then and see what happens.
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Buddy use your logic. If you bought and Xperia PLAY and I bought a Xperia PLAY, then we both pay for Crash Bandicoot game and for any other file installed in the phone. You are legally entitled to make ANY backup for the software you bought with your hardware, in fact you are legally entitled to protect your hardware any way you considered fitting. If for any reasong you didn't do a backup what happens?, you lost any right over your property?. That's stupid, it's like saying you bought a house and because you didn't buy an insurance you are no longer owner of your house when you broke a door.
If your lost your backup why I can't give you mine if we bought the same product?. The only way to call this piracy is if the file hash from your file is different than mine.
Considering that here are FTF files, and those files can be extracted into sin files, and sin files can be unpacked, aaaaaand unpackaged files can be used in any way... basically that's piracy because a Motorola user can download a FTF file, extract system.sin, unpack it's contents and add any apk to his phone without paying for it.
XDA is just covering their asses... in a not so good way.
Now, you can say whatever you want, but this is NOT exactly piracy/warez. In fact, if you search for it, you will find Crash Bandicoot apk several times.
if you link warez I will report. also this forum is public meaning people who didn't pay for it such as other phone users can download it aswell making it warez
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if you link warez I will report. also this forum is public meaning people who didn't pay for it such as other phone users can download it aswell making it warez
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just want to be sure . how about posting a warez file via private message in xda ?
fma965 said:
if you link warez I will report. also this forum is public meaning people who didn't pay for it such as other phone users can download it aswell making it warez
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Buddy you are a fool, did you read what I say about FTF files?
Go ahead, report this post, and by the way report all posts where FTF files are post, and all posts where people ALREADY post their crash bandicoot apk...
I will not post anything, no because of your silly threat but because all apks related to PlayStation Suite need to be paired with SD card data, so he will not do anything with my apk without my sd data.
I'm pretty certain that the OP was able to solve his/her problem....what happened here is that a new user necroed a thread (this seems to be happening ALOT recently) asking for files that are in ftfs already.....
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I bought Tivizen WIFI for Samsung device hoping that I'll have no problem using it with my SIII, as I've seen the video on youtube with exact hardware combination working. However it appears that I cannot download the app (normal Tivizen app doesn't recognize the device - I need "Tivizen wifi for Samsung phone" ) from my country. How is store establishing the country (phone location, gmail account, phone operator, ip address). Would it help if someone installs it elsewhere and extracts apk. Is it difficult? What can I do on my side- reinstall?. Seems foolish to abandon the device for software related restrictions.Please help.
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I bought Tivizen WIFI for Samsung device hoping that I'll have no problem using it with my SIII, as I've seen the video on youtube with exact hardware combination working. However it appears that I cannot download the app (normal Tivizen app doesn't recognize the device - I need "Tivizen wifi for Samsung phone" ) from my country. How is store establishing the country (phone location, gmail account, phone operator, ip address). Would it help if someone installs it elsewhere and extracts apk. Is it difficult? What can I do on my side- reinstall?. Seems foolish to abandon the device for software related restrictions.Please help.
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This may be of some use to you. Since it's a free app, I'm assuming its OK to post this. If not, please feel free to delete it mods.
http://www.firstload.com/?uniq=9275...=Tivizen+WiFi+for+SamsungPhone/SamsungTablet#
SOURCE: http://www.boerse.bz/boerse/softwar...-tivizen-wifi-samsungphone-samsungtablet.html
Can you download from there?. It asks me for credit card. I might give up on dollar if I knew the link is active. Seems fishy.I have tried other RS links in the thread which are dead,
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Can you download from there?. It asks me for credit card. I might give up on dollar if I knew the link is active. Seems fishy.I have tried other RS links in the thread which are dead,
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Oh sorry, the site was in German lol. I just found the link and posted.
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Is app available in your country? Can apk be extracted once downloaded?. i can emulate country via vyprvpn and register new google account from there but I am wondering is it some phone setting that is tripping the store.
Won't let me install it to my phone. Does not show up on the market at all (on phone) and when found on the online market, it says I have no compatible devices.
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Won't let me install it to my phone. Does not show up on the market at all (on phone) and when found on the online market, it says I have no compatible devices.
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Thanks dude for you effort.
Anyone from germany?
Funny I can use PC Application available from their site http://samsung.tivizen.com/ without any restrictions and yet they forbid the use of phone app. I am not trying to use on non compatible device or something illegal - http://samsung.tivizen.com/Kompatible-Geraete.
Anyone from germany with firefox and apk downloader (does not work for me) could you please get this. Would be very thankful.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/...lLnRpdml6ZW4uRHZiVFNhbXN1bmdWY1Bob25lV2lmaSJd
Is there a more appropriate place to make apk requests? Thanks.
It's not going to work unless you bought the phone from that promotional event.
psykhotic said:
It's not going to work unless you bought the phone from that promotional event.
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6. Wo kann ich die IMEI Nummer und Serien Nummer der Samsunggeräte finden, um Tivizen zum Aktionspreis zu erwerben?
Unter der Batterie von Samsung Galaxy Produkten
Does it have to do with this question from the FAQ. To me it looks more like you needed to provide them with you phone's imei to be able to buy the device
Once they've delivered the Tivizen it has no importance (number cannot be used again).
It would mean that no one would be able to download the app unless they come from the verified phone regardless from Germany or not, or every such downloaded APK is related to the phone and checks for specific tivizen SSID?
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It's not going to work unless you bought the phone from that promotional event.
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It works!!! A guy at android-hilfe was so nice to post the apk. Thanks for contribution anyway.
I installed Real Racing 2 on Nexus7. It required me to download addition 400MB data. It's really slow if I accept to download by game. I already downloaded data from Internet, how can I make the game detect this and dont ask me for downloading?
P/S: Sorry mods if I post in wrong topic. I cant find the answer for this in XDA.
You'll have to download the data to play the game. Shadowgun is the same way, as are several other games.
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andr0i said:
I installed Real Racing 2 on Nexus7. It required me to download addition 400MB data. It's really slow if I accept to download by game. I already downloaded data from Internet, how can I make the game detect this and dont ask me for downloading?
P/S: Sorry mods if I post in wrong topic. I cant find the answer for this in XDA.
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Can you not side load the data into where it looks for the files?
If youve downloaded it already i dont see why that wouldnt work...
I would imagine you would have to be rooted and have a good idea of where things like that are done though
mount folder
andr0i said:
I installed Real Racing 2 on Nexus7. It required me to download addition 400MB data. It's really slow if I accept to download by game. I already downloaded data from Internet, how can I make the game detect this and dont ask me for downloading?
P/S: Sorry mods if I post in wrong topic. I cant find the answer for this in XDA.
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If you have a pc you can try to setup an FTP server there and back it up. I find some games located in /sdcard/Android/data. You can use a es or fx file explrer to copy the files. Theres also a tool called storage analyzer that shows where most data is. Ultimately you can seamlessly mount a linux drive using sshfsAndroid cifs etc and store backups etc there.(becareful not to mount everything because the media manager will try to find everything). Unlimited storage.
Downloading data is the best defense game companies have against pirated, side loaded software.
Just let the game download it's data, and be thankful that you are doing your part to keep pirates at bay.
Sounds like the OP pirated the apk and data off the Internet. He installed the apk but doesn't know where to copy the data to. If that's what it is, his post is against XDA rules.
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rmm200 said:
Downloading data is the best defense game companies have against pirated, side loaded software.
Just let the game download it's data, and be thankful that you are doing your part to keep pirates at bay.
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And also people with ****ty mobile data caps.
Friends iam new here so i saw many gameplay vid. From youtube for grand i fownd my games doesnt work on my samsung galaxy grand previousely i downloaded batman tdkr v1.1.4 and try to install apk nothing happens my grand says application is not installed please help i want games for my samsung galaxy gran running on 4.2.2 antutu benchmark results are about 11469
and also my grand is rooted
Did you pirate your game?
If so, then nobody here will help you. No discussion of pirated software is permitted in XDA.
I dont know such things like pirated because iam new in android phone well i will give you the link that where i download games here
gamedea.blogspot.in check this link and tell me what is pirated mean
thanx in advance
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I dont know such things like pirated because iam new in android phone well i will give you the link that where i download games here check this link and tell me what is pirated mean
thanx in advance
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Pirating software means downloading and installing software from unofficial sources in order to avoid paying.
You have to purchase it from Play Store, it's only $6.99.
Oh man so i need to buy games and thats mean i cannot download games from anywhere
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Oh man so i need to buy games and thats mean i cannot download games from anywhere
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Support the game developers. XDA-Developers is a community of such people (developers) so discussing anything about cheating their hardwork contradicts with this forums...
This is internet, you can pirate anything you want and nobody even the people here in XDA can stop you. But don't discuss it here, because this is a community where some people actually make a living off the money they get from selling their software.
So shall i download games or not if you know the websites of some then please give me the link i dont want to download games from play store because in such case if i need to uninstall it then i need to install it again which cause wastage of internet data
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So shall i download games or not if you know the websites of some then please give me the link i dont want to download games from play store because in such case if i need to uninstall it then i need to install it again which cause wastage of internet data
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Its a kind of pirating.
No offense. No rude...
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I wondering if there was any website to download games
rockparassingh said:
I wondering if there was any website to download games
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AFAIK, legitimately, only Play Store.
Oh maan this is so so so and so bad any way thanx
naufalhadyan said:
AFAIK, legitimately, only Play Store.
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One question too, is Asphalt 8 apk is legal. Its free on play store but isnt compatible. Im just asking for sure
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black87 said:
One question too, is Asphalt 8 apk is legal. Its free on play store but isnt compatible. Im just asking for sure
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That is a bit of a grey area...
It is actually against the law to distribute copyrighted materials other than official means, free or not. This is the basis why Google sent cease and desist letter to Cyanogenmod Team a few years ago, because back then CM team distributed Google apps preincluded in the ROM zip. This is against the law according to Google, who sees the legit distribution of Google apps only via Play Store/Android Market. But then they allowed the devs to distribute Gapps as seperate zip.
I think the rules here in XDA only covers pirating in the means of avoiding payment (because it hurts the developers to do so) but it is allowed to bypass region and device restrictions, if there is no payment obligation.
This is why, here in XDA we see Google Keyboard apks and GEL apks, because they are region and device restricted, but there is no payment obligation to use said apps.
Now back to Asphalt 8... yes it is free to download and free to play, but it still has in-app purchases... so I think it is still not allowed to share it here because it will remove the potential income source for Gameloft. In app purchases will not work on pirated apps, I presume?
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That is a bit of a grey area...
It is actually against the law to distribute copyrighted materials other than official means, free or not. This is the basis why Google sent cease and desist letter to Cyanogenmod Team a few years ago, because back then CM team distributed Google apps preincluded in the ROM zip. This is against the law according to Google, who sees the legit distribution of Google apps only via Play Store/Android Market. But then they allowed the devs to distribute Gapps as seperate zip.
I think the rules here in XDA only covers pirating in the means of avoiding payment (because it hurts the developers to do so) but it is allowed to bypass region and device restrictions, if there is no payment obligation.
This is why, here in XDA we see Google Keyboard apks and GEL apks, because they are region and device restricted, but there is no payment obligation to use said apps.
Now back to Asphalt 8... yes it is free to download and free to play, but it still has in-app purchases... so I think it is still not allowed to share it here because it will remove the potential income source for Gameloft. In app purchases will not work on pirated apps, I presume?
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By the way will u tell me which custom rom is best for play games on my samsung galaxy grand 4.2.2
rockparassingh said:
By the way will u tell me which custom rom is best for play games on my samsung galaxy grand 4.2.2
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Any Kitkat ROM will do, but Kitkat X/Turbokat already have performance tweaks builtin, you might want to check them out
for best gaming performance...gennxt , pyramid, turbokat and kitkatx are excellent! smooth and also very good battery life!