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[Q] AT&T Non-smart phone plan...hmm?

I recently acquired an HTC Vision from overseas. Since the change AT&T's website is giving me the option to add an unlimited data plan for non-smartphones for $10 (I don't currently have any data plan because my prior smartphone was grandfathered into an excemption). I know that the reason they are offering the cheap plan is because they don't sell the phone so they can't detect the model I'm using from the IMEI - but...
* does anyone have experience doing this?
* Do they ever catch you and force you to change?
* Is there an unwritten cap to the unlimited non-smartphone data plan that I should be mindful of not exceeding or an amount that you think would raise flags?
* Is there anything I can do to make myself more under the radar - I was thinking maybe changing my device on the AT&T website to a non-smartphone made by another manufacturer so my old smart phone is no longer listed?

Well first off, make sure that the Desire Z you have has the proper frequencies for AT&T.
As far as running the unlimited featurephone data plan, I'm not sure. They might be able to not tell what type of phone you're using, but they will be able to tell that it isn't one of their list of featurephones the plans work for. I think this is the biggest hurdle, they will more than likely find out that you're using a phone that isn't an AT&T featurephone and kick you off of it.
As far as data usage goes, I'm assuming it will throw up a flag when your first month you use 4gb-5gb of data on your "featurephone" that isn't even supposed to have a full browser lol.
If this was that easy to do, don't you think there would be more people getting a free featurephone with a $10 unlimited data plan and buying their phones unsubsidized? lol. Dunno just never heard of anyone doing this before.

I don't get 3G but the phone works fine on the EDGE network. Since it isn't a phone from the US I'm thinking that it might be able to escape detection a lot easier than say, a phone from T-Mobile.

jessicax said:
I don't get 3G but the phone works fine on the EDGE network. Since it isn't a phone from the US I'm thinking that it might be able to escape detection a lot easier than say, a phone from T-Mobile.
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If it doesn't work on 3G then it has the same bands as a T-mobile G2 (or similar, either way it doesn't work on 850/1900 3G that AT&T uses) and you'd end up with the same result. If you're not even gonna use 3G, then why are you paying for a data plan at all?
The real question is, is there a specific reason why you're using AT&T? If you're just going to be using the phone on EDGE with AT&T, you might as well just pay for a data plan on T-mobile and get 3G/4G... maybe just my personal opinion but I have no idea why someone would choose to pay for a smartphone and use it on the EDGE network. I wanna gouge my eyes out when I'm on EDGE lol.

martonikaj said:
If it doesn't work on 3G then it has the same bands as a T-mobile G2 (or similar, either way it doesn't work on 850/1900 3G that AT&T uses) and you'd end up with the same result. If you're not even gonna use 3G, then why are you paying for a data plan at all?
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Right now I'm not paying for a data plan. However, if I did pay for one, I'd only be using it to do things like check my e-mail, use voice dial, or play ad-supported games - nothing that would be crippled by the slower data transfer. Basically stuff that is worth $10/month to me but not $30.

jessicax said:
Right now I'm not paying for a data plan. However, if I did pay for one, I'd only be using it to do things like check my e-mail, use voice dial, or play ad-supported games - nothing that would be crippled by the slower data transfer. Basically stuff that is worth $10/month to me but not $30.
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I see... But what I'm saying is why would you pay for an AT&T plan, are you somehow obligated to stay there? If you're bringing your own phone to T-mobile, their no contract plans are as low as $59.99/mo. Maybe AT&T has good service in your area, I'm not sure. But if you have no reason to stay on AT&T and service is comparable on T-mobile, I doubt you'll be paying more for 3G service on T-mo than you would for only 2G on AT&T.
T-mobile no contract (youre bringing your own phone) = $59.99 for 500min, unlim texts, and "unlimited" data.
AT&T phone plans = $39.99 450minutes, + $20 unlim texts + $10 for "featurephone data" = $69.99 and that doesn't get you 3G.
Not trying to convert, just trying to make sense of your situation.

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I see... But what I'm saying is why would you pay for an AT&T plan, are you somehow obligated to stay there?
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I am obligated to stay with AT&T for various reasons. :-\

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I am obligated to stay with AT&T for various reasons. :-\
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Well that would explain a lot. As far as your original plan goes, I'm not sure how it works. They have to identify between their featurephones and smartphones somehow, and that means they may easily be able to identify that you're using a smartphone. Not sure.

From my understanding when i was about to try this smartphones have there own data set....and regular unlimited browsing is something else. But i can be wrong. Get back to me about this, very interested to see if this works.
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This does work.
I am using an unbranded/unlocked Desire Z on ATT with the $10/month basic data plan. Years ago, I purchased a 'dumb phone' from them and have had this data plan on my account since then.
I have used this data plan with a Touch Pro, Blackberry Bold and Nokia E71, all without any problems. All of them were ATT branded and they could see the device I was using. Only thing that didn't work was the Blackberry branded data apps.
With a phone that is not from ATT they cannot tell what device you are using. I've had the DZ since November and haven't heard anything from there. My data usage each month has ranged from 400-700 MB. Not sure what the cap is, but I don't tether or anything and use wifi when I'm at home as well.
This of course is not in line with their 'smartphone policy' so don't walk into a store and expect them to do this for you. You'll have to do it online... Not sure how closely they watch new additions on the basic plans but I would give it a shot and see if they let you keep going... My guess is that unless you're sucking up data at 2-3GB a month, it won't be a problem...
Let me know how it goes for you!

I have an Australian HTC Desire as my personal line, and I pay the $10 data. AT&T employee line plans suck pretty bad...

martonikaj said:
If it doesn't work on 3G then it has the same bands as a T-mobile G2 (or similar, either way it doesn't work on 850/1900 3G that AT&T uses) and you'd end up with the same result. If you're not even gonna use 3G, then why are you paying for a data plan at all?
The real question is, is there a specific reason why you're using AT&T? If you're just going to be using the phone on EDGE with AT&T, you might as well just pay for a data plan on T-mobile and get 3G/4G... maybe just my personal opinion but I have no idea why someone would choose to pay for a smartphone and use it on the EDGE network. I wanna gouge my eyes out when I'm on EDGE lol.
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Iirc you need data for mms
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You are good to go.
I used a G2 on AT&T for a few months before switching to T-Mobile. I do not remember how much data I used but I know that AT&T had no clue what I was doing/using. I was on the $15 unlimited messaging data plan though, not sure about the $10 one. As long as the phone is not branded or specifically made for AT&T bands (like the AT&T N1) they have no clue what you have, that is the main reason I only use GSM networks.
Protip: You can suspend your line if you are on a family plan and switch to T-mobile which is what I am currently doing until my wife's iPhone contract runs out. They will still charge you $10/month though. $25 for 2GB is WAY overpriced.

For those of you who were interested in hearing if this worked: I've been on the data plan for about two weeks and have used about 200mb thus far. So far, so good. The EDGE network speeds can be a little slow but it is better than nothing.
I'm curious if I'll be detected now that AT&T has acquired T-Mobile, since the G2 is in T-Mobile's lineup, which is based on the HTC Vision just like the Desire Z that I am using.

my question is...
Why cant you use 3g if you have a DZ from overseas? the G2 is the phone with the weird 3g bands. the overseas phone should work like a charm on att.
jessicax said:
For those of you who were interested in hearing if this worked: I've been on the data plan for about two weeks and have used about 200mb thus far. So far, so good. The EDGE network speeds can be a little slow but it is better than nothing.
I'm curious if I'll be detected now that AT&T has acquired T-Mobile, since the G2 is in T-Mobile's lineup, which is based on the HTC Vision just like the Desire Z that I am using.
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babyfacedkayos said:
Why cant you use 3g if you have a DZ from overseas? the G2 is the phone with the weird 3g bands. the overseas phone should work like a charm on att.
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Unfortunately it does not have the 3G bands that ATT uses.

[email protected] 30/month for data I'm at 15 or 20 for unlimited data and texts with tmobile
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Lots of people do this. I have a Nokia E71 currently on this plan (and a Desire Z on the way). My only concern is with AT&T's new crackdown on tethering.

Can someone tell me if ATT can make the difference between the type of data transfer someone uses (like web browsing vs Market android download or google syncing)?

Yes they can catch you. Yes they can tell the differance between mms and web browsing....yes they can see every site and bit of information, every call made, every text sent, every minute of every day..... the questions is do they care? The simple answer is no. I have used my own phones on att for 8+ years. I not even sure if its agaisnt any policy they have anyway? Anyway if they ever did "catch" you the worst they would do is say stop that, pay more, or cancel your account. Then maybe you will be free to join tmo lol.
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[Q] Should I Go with AT&T GoPhone/Net10/Or Straight Talk??

Hey Guys,
I'm planning on buying the HTC One X International Version and I can't decide on which service provider to go with. I want to find the best provider with the best speeds and a decent "unlimited" data program. Any suggestions??

Definitely Straight Talk. Not unlimited data as advertised, more in the area of 2.5gb per month. People have claimed they've gone through a lot of data a month, but I would keep it reasonable when you're a new customer.
Only true unlimited mvno I can think of is
Boost Mobile, but not an option since they're cdma. Straight Talk has the best coverage and speeds.
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UnlockedNand said:
Definitely Straight Talk. Not unlimited data as advertised, more in the area of 2.5gb per month. People have claimed they've gone through a lot of data a month, but I would keep it reasonable when you're a new customer.
Only true unlimited mvno I can think of is
Boost Mobile, but not an option since they're cdma. Straight Talk has the best coverage and speeds.
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I see that you are using Straight Talk how well does your service do with the phone? Good speeds?? Does straight talk connect with AT&Ts Faux(4)G network HSPA?? Sorry for all the questions just want to find the best deal, had verizon but got fed up with the 103/month bill.

felicitygrad2010 said:
I see that you are using Straight Talk how well does your service do with the phone? Good speeds?? Does straight talk connect with AT&Ts Faux(4)G network HSPA?? Sorry for all the questions just want to find the best deal, had verizon but got fed up with the 103/month bill.
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Coverage is good, I live outside of major cities. Haven't done a speedtest, but load webpages, email, and other miscellaneous content fast. 3g, no 4g. I'm on WiFi 85% of the time, so this unlimited plan is great. Also to note, Straight Talk has me under AT&T since the coverage was better than T-Mobile in my area.
The T-Mobile prepaid $30 unlimited plan (5gb 4g data - throttled, 100 minutes, unlimited text) really got me interested until I later learned their bands still aren't upgraded for 850/1900 mhz. If you're fine with fast edge speed and mediocre coverage, than that might be of interest to you.
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I just use my Verizon WiFi hotspot for data when not at home or work WiFi. Tmo for voice... Let's me use any intl gsm phone without worrying about bands.
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Coverage is good, I live outside of major cities. Haven't done a speedtest, but load webpages, email, and other miscellaneous content fast. 3g, no 4g. I'm on WiFi 85% of the time, so this unlimited plan is great. Also to note, Straight Talk has me under AT&T since the coverage was better than T-Mobile in my area.
The T-Mobile prepaid $30 unlimited plan (5gb 4g data - throttled, 100 minutes, unlimited text) really got me interested until I later learned their bands still aren't upgraded for 850/1900 mhz. If you're fine with fast edge speed and mediocre coverage, than that might be of interest to you.
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Yeah T-Mobile coverage in my area sucks too. I live in a major city so speeds should be relatively good for me, I had ATT as a Go-Phone before and service coverage was awesome around here didn't ever drop a call but didn't have a data plan so can't speak on the speeds. Yeah, when I heard about T-mobile updating to the 890/1900 mhz band it made me think about going to them but I don't think I'd be able to deal with their edge network speeds.

*Bump* Sorry just bumping so its not 3 pages into the forum.

have you checked on the recent at&t prepaid plan? it looks as though you still have to buy a data package on $50 unlimited with a smartphone. i'm on at&t prepaid: i picked the $2/day usage only option and bought a data package, but i've heard the data package portion will not be renewable. i have a mobile hotspot i could fall back on, so it may not be much of an issue for me. but it's something to think about.
i have a suspicion straight talk may be your best bet if you're a heavy user of talk/text as well as data. just check and make sure it runs off the att network where you live.

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have you checked on the recent at&t prepaid plan? it looks as though you still have to buy a data package on $50 unlimited with a smartphone. i'm on at&t prepaid: i picked the $2/day usage only option and bought a data package, but i've heard the data package portion will not be renewable. i have a mobile hotspot i could fall back on, so it may not be much of an issue for me. but it's something to think about.
i have a suspicion straight talk may be your best bet if you're a heavy user of talk/text as well as data. just check and make sure it runs off the att network where you live.
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Yeah, I'm really confused with the new data plans, cause they have the new unlimited for $50 and it doesnt say anything against smart phones using it and now android are not allowed on the pay for what you use plans. As for straight talk here runs both AT&T and Tmobile they give they choice to us.

it does say smartphone users must purchase a data package. there a few people on the boards who say they have been able to fly under the radar and not have to do that with an unlimited plan. i only switched to att prepaid recently, so i wouldn't know for sure, but you should check around the boards to see what user experience is. in any case, my first fallback is my mobile hotspot, then i may eventually move to straight talk if att doesn't let me continue as is. i'm such a minimal user that i don't even want to pay $45/month if i don't have to.

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it does say smartphone users must purchase a data package. there a few people on the boards who say they have been able to fly under the radar and not have to do that with an unlimited plan. i only switched to att prepaid recently, so i wouldn't know for sure, but you should check around the boards to see what user experience is. in any case, my first fallback is my mobile hotspot, then i may eventually move to straight talk if att doesn't let me continue as is. i'm such a minimal user that i don't even want to pay $45/month if i don't have to.
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Yeah, thats what I'll most like do is use WiFi most of the time, since straight talk is capped at around 2.5gb I a huge data user but I barely use talk, and text i have upwards of 5,000 a month xD

i wouldn't count on ATT GoPhone. they will probably start checking what phones are used and telling you to update your sim and plan. if you can afford it, 499/year at Straight Talk is the best plan i've seen. i'm waiting for college loans and switching.
Straight Talk may be capped/throttled after 2.5 GB like ATT does, but you are getting everything cheaper. i pay 70 AFTER a 7% discount for 450 mins, 2 GB, and no text/mms. i'm taking 42-45/month to Straight Talk when i get out of contract.

brent8577 said:
i wouldn't count on ATT GoPhone. they will probably start checking what phones are used and telling you to update your sim and plan. if you can afford it, 499/year at Straight Talk is the best plan i've seen. i'm waiting for college loans and switching.
Straight Talk may be capped/throttled after 2.5 GB like ATT does, but you are getting everything cheaper. i pay 70 AFTER a 7% discount for 450 mins, 2 GB, and no text/mms. i'm taking 42-45/month to Straight Talk when i get out of contract.
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Yeah, thats most likely what I'll end up doing in the long after trying the service out first to see how it runs. Now if only the wireless companies could figure out that they are just hurting themselves by not offering unlimited data to customers xD

Go with ATT pay as you go, or goto a corporate not retail and have them activate a non contract line with 15 non smartphone data, which is the same BTW, and whatever messaging plan, one comes with unlimited any mobile and all this without showing your phone or call 18003310500 and they'll ship out a sim card. The imei is not a registered one with AT&T.
Guaranteed not bsing.
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mayad79 said:
Go with ATT pay as you go, or goto a corporate not retail and have them activate a non contract line with 15 non smartphone data, which is the same BTW, and whatever messaging plan, one comes with unlimited any mobile and all this without showing your phone or call 18003310500 and they'll ship out a sim card. The imei is not a registered one with AT&T.
Guaranteed not bsing.
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So $15 unlimited data? What are the speeds like? And they have unlimited messaging? What about minutes?

I was able to fly under the radar for my AT&T go prepaid for unlimited data for about 4 months and then one day data was shut off. I was able to put my sim in my V3xx and data works. I guess I can go to straight talk or tmobile now lol

carangelover said:
I was able to fly under the radar for my AT&T go prepaid for unlimited data for about 4 months and then one day data was shut off. I was able to put my sim in my V3xx and data works. I guess I can go to straight talk or tmobile now lol
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What kind of phone were you using? Was it an AT&T branded smartphone?

Liking where this thread is going. Subbed.
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[Q] Wireless Hotspot?

Here is the scenario:
There are around 10 of us in my office who have beefed up data plans because we stream all day ER DAY. Instead of us paying $30 each every month, we (actually me) came up with an idea to buy a hotspot for the office, and then split the cost 10 ways. after doing a lot of reasearch as far as prices and data caps and speeds I have come up with the following ideas:
1. Sprint phone with bad ESN flashed to Metro PCS ($60, no 4g LTE)
2. Add an existing T-Mobile line ($60, 10GB soft cap)
3. ???
Assume the device we will be using is a rooted, unlocked Samsung S3. Does anyone have any better ideas? We live in OC California, its 70 degrees outside if that helps.

farberstyle said:
Here is the scenario:
There are around 10 of us in my office who have beefed up data plans because we stream all day ER DAY. Instead of us paying $30 each every month, we (actually me) came up with an idea to buy a hotspot for the office, and then split the cost 10 ways. after doing a lot of reasearch as far as prices and data caps and speeds I have come up with the following ideas:
1. Sprint phone with bad ESN flashed to Metro PCS ($60, no 4g LTE)
2. Add an existing T-Mobile line ($60, 10GB soft cap)
3. ???
Assume the device we will be using is a rooted, unlocked Samsung S3. Does anyone have any better ideas? We live in OC California, its 70 degrees outside if that helps.
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get unlimited data on your smartphone and download the trevee tethering app and get free tethering with unlimited data...

eurohomie said:
get unlimited data on your smartphone and download the trevee tethering app and get free tethering with unlimited data...
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I have T-Mobile's 10GB top-tier data plan and I am already 7.7GB and I am only halfway through the month. I am looking for an uncapped data plan only, no voice or mms.
It really sucks when you are the person who knows the most about phones in your life, there is no one to ask for help =(

farberstyle said:
I have T-Mobile's 10GB top-tier data plan and I am already 7.7GB and I am only halfway through the month. I am looking for an uncapped data plan only, no voice or mms.
It really sucks when you are the person who knows the most about phones in your life, there is no one to ask for help =(
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ummm T-mobile has an uncapped data plan... it's called unlimited everything and costs 89.99/mo with contract and i think $70 without...

Why don't u by a tmobile hotspot in stead of getting a phone and tethering??
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horr1blek1tten said:
Why don't u by a tmobile hotspot in stead of getting a phone and tethering??
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Hotspot is not unlimited and that's what the OP wants.
OP, in my humble opinion; add a tmobile line for the said GS3 and get the unlimited data plan. There are many ROMs for that phone that support tethering, even thought the plan does not.

LTE/StraightTalk

Good speeds on HTC one using straight talk
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Not bad considering the price. I assume Verizon throttles the data speeds for Straight Talk? I would switch but work pays my bill and I have an unlimited data plan.

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Not bad considering the price. I assume Verizon throttles the data speeds for Straight Talk? I would switch but work pays my bill and I have an unlimited data plan.
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Same here, though I'm rather disgruntled when it comes to the inability to upgrade. My wife and I had 2 additional basic phones on our account for the purpose of upgrading, but Verizon once again changed their policy, requiring lines that are upgraded to maintain a $30/month data plan for the duration of the contract.
But we do use an average of 90gb of data a month, so there's no way we're switching.

What carrier should i use???

Hello everyone,
I currently have a samsung galaxy s5 rooted specially for the hotspot.
I am thinking of changing my unlimited sprint data plan for any carrier on that would work like sprints unlimited hotspot using a new ONEPLUS3, with no data slowdowns . Any suggestions! Thanks

darko454 said:
Hello everyone,
I currently have a samsung galaxy s5 rooted specially for the hotspot.
I am thinking of changing my unlimited sprint data plan for any carrier on that would work like sprints unlimited hotspot using a new ONEPLUS3, with no data slowdowns . Any suggestions! Thanks
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T mobile is great to me.

Thanks! Is you data plan prepaid? Does your download speed slows down after any over limit?

darko454 said:
Thanks! Is you data plan prepaid? Does your download speed slows down after any over limit?
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I'm a long time customer of T-Mobile. I have a 30 dollar unlimited package. Unlimited everything, though I think after 10 or so GBs, it goes to 3g. I think that's how it works. But I've never noticed any slow downs. Probably because I never really reach 10gb. But they still offer unlimited plans I believe. And op3 works great with the carrier. Simple SIM swap and you're ready!
My mother has a 3 or 4gb plan. I think she pays like $15 a month. She's not a big user of her phone, and she has an iPhone 6. She's been a customer as long as me.
So my plan would be extremely cheap if I didn't still owe for my old lg g4 and my htc10. Once those are paid off, my plan will be very inexpensive
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Oh, and it's a 2 year contract like pretty much anyone else. You pay monthly.
And Wi-Fi hotspot limit is 6gb I believe on all unlimited plans. I think after 6 it just slows speed. Not positive though on that.

Is there any way to trick the mobile hotspot?
I mean using the modified hotspot so it wont know the difference between the hotspot or the mobile data?
Like Sprints unlimted Data PLan, it doesn't know the diffence.

Most carriers can tell since the user agent of your browser on a PC communicates that it's a PC even if traffic is being routed through your phone

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MetroPCS is the bomb. Works off of T-Mobile and you still get volte. And it's cheaper.
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Long time user of Verizon with unlimited grandfathered plan. I left it for OP3. Why? Seems to me since I buy my phones and only like the unlock able types Verizon will never get off the CDMA network and globally GSM seems to be the standard. So I left VZW for Sprint.
I am in the US and the performance and coverage has been just as good. I do have a TMobile as a second sim for home phone which is off most time....but I find that TMobile is weaker in county and has most spoty area for coverage. VZW was excellent for my US travels but so for since just switched ATT is holding fine.