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At least one post in 90% of threads here have a question in them, so why aren't they all moved to the Q And A threads? Forums are discussions of opinions and questions for each other to talk about.
If one thread is going to be moved that (imo) is not a question, then why aren't all the others? tbh, it annoys me, and i think the moderation here is a little too heavy handed.
Agreed... and to add another question why do some devices have a Q&A sub-section and some not? Seems inconsistent. Anyway the forums are hard to navigate anyway (too many sub-sections, outdated stickies, too many "READ THIS BEFORE YOU POST"-threads etc..). I guess at least the Q&A part could be merged with 'General' of every forum. Also Accessoires & Wallpapers/Themes get an extra sub-section? I'd lump everything together and make just two per device (General/Dev).
Oh and don't take this as "This is how you run a forum " - just my humble opinion
Ok. When a device general forum gets over 10,000 posts, or 1000 threads, it gets a Q&A section.
General vs dev only would result in even more junk in both to be fair...
I reckon at present there is a good balance as almost everything is consistent across the site. Go to HTC G1. It has, by and large, the same layout as all other sections.regarding outdated stickies, contact the mod for the relevant section by pm and point it out.
Regarding questions being moved, we can only move what we know about or see... So drop the mod for the section a PM with the threads.
MarkusPO said:
At least one post in 90% of threads here have a question in them, so why aren't they all moved to the Q And A threads? Forums are discussions of opinions and questions for each other to talk about.
If one thread is going to be moved that (imo) is not a question, then why aren't all the others? tbh, it annoys me, and i think the moderation here is a little too heavy handed.
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Heavy handed? Howso??? Feel free to PM if you want.
Typically, the original post in a thread defines the rest of the thread. If it is a question, then evidently the correct place is Q&A. I don't really see any way to argue with that to be fair.
Regarding a question that emerges later on in a thread, perhaps a move is not needed. For example, are you suggesting a ROM thread should be moved because someone asked a question?
As before, the reason some things get moved and others don't is because we are not aware of them. The report post feature, and pm to the section mod, are both essential in letting us know what is going on.
Finally, XDA is a development site first and foremost, so keeping questions clear of development areas is a pretty high priority. People spamming the dev areas with pointless and basic questions annoy everyone, and just bury the content we are all here to see (ROMs and tweaks)
pulser_g2 said:
Heavy handed? Howso??? Feel free to PM if you want.
Typically, the original post in a thread defines the rest of the thread. If it is a question, then evidently the correct place is Q&A. I don't really see any way to argue with that to be fair.
Regarding a question that emerges later on in a thread, perhaps a move is not needed. For example, are you suggesting a ROM thread should be moved because someone asked a question?
As before, the reason some things get moved and others don't is because we are not aware of them. The report post feature, and pm to the section mod, are both essential in letting us know what is going on.
Finally, XDA is a development site first and foremost, so keeping questions clear of development areas is a pretty high priority. People spamming the dev areas with pointless and basic questions annoy everyone, and just bury the content we are all here to see (ROMs and tweaks)
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Thanks for the response. My time here has been fairly short I know, but I'm not new to forums of course, and this is my experience thus far:
a thread that wasn't a question, but was about speculation for a nexus tablet was merged into the 'what phone / tablet should i buy next' thread. wtf.
other threads have been merged into semi-related, but not completely related threads. wtf.
i see sticky threads for newbies about development in - for example - the nexus s general on how to root / mod etc. wtf.
i know it's a fine balance between heavy-handedness to try to enforce an overall tidy forum vs user intuition and the chaoticness that is the weird and wacky thoughts of people.
imho this processing of my threads annoys me, and i'm sure it does other people too. if it drives people away, then that's bad for advertisement revenue. as long as threads are in the sort-of-right forum, then so-what. i for one tend to browse all the forums for a particular phone. so i'm going to reply if something catches my attention.
though, i do like the concept of having an accessories forum, dev forum, and general forum. i don't think a q+a forum is needed, ie. if i were to ask "does the otterbox commuter have this feature as a thread starter" where should it go? naturally the accessories forum, but it's a question... if i were after information about accessories, i'd head to the accessories forum as i may have the same question.
forums thrive on questions and answers. moving some questions to a q+a forum, and appearing to turn a blind eye to others just doesn't make sense. yes, so you miss some, but visitors don't know what you miss, and what you leave.
i'm thinking maybe test out a slightly looser mod regime for a while and allow related questions in the forums.
MarkusPO said:
Thanks for the response. My time here has been fairly short I know, but I'm not new to forums of course, and this is my experience thus far:
a thread that wasn't a question, but was about speculation for a nexus tablet was merged into the 'what phone / tablet should i buy next' thread. wtf.
I will look into this. Sounds strange.
other threads have been merged into semi-related, but not completely related threads. wtf.
i see sticky threads for newbies about development in - for example - the nexus s general on how to root / mod etc. wtf.
Those threads are pertaining to development, as without a way to root/hack the device, nobody can really develop for it. That's basically the way it's been for ages, so that's unlikely to change.
i know it's a fine balance between heavy-handedness to try to enforce an overall tidy forum vs user intuition and the chaoticness that is the weird and wacky thoughts of people.
You are right, it's hard on occasion to strike a balance, but to be honest, you have no idea what kinds of trolls we get here Most of the time we can sweep away the awful stuff before people see it...
imho this processing of my threads annoys me, and i'm sure it does other people too. if it drives people away, then that's bad for advertisement revenue. as long as threads are in the sort-of-right forum, then so-what. i for one tend to browse all the forums for a particular phone. so i'm going to reply if something catches my attention.
Fair point, but we have about 600,000 threads I can assure you we won't be cutting the number of forums per device, as that would make things unmanageable. Regarding the "right sort of forum", will address next. The trouble is that when I want to find some hack or tweak, I go to development. I don't expect to hunt through 200 pages of "I NEED HALLLLLLLLLLLP PLEEEEEEEEEEEZ NAOOOOOOOOOOOOOO KTHX" just to find a buried "[Mod] Trackball Wake source edit" or whatever...
though, i do like the concept of having an accessories forum, dev forum, and general forum. i don't think a q+a forum is needed, ie. if i were to ask "does the otterbox commuter have this feature as a thread starter" where should it go?
That would go in accessories. To be honest the Q&A is actually for beginner device questions moreso than that. I do see your point here, but I think you are misunderstanding the idea for the Device Q&A forum. If you want to ask "how do I flash a ROM on SPL v0.1", then Q&A is the place to go If you are more asking about a theme, then themes & apps is the place to ask it (provided it's about one of the existing themes and you can post in the existing thread). Regarding development forum, the idea there is that ONLY roms and other hacks go there, or discussions about achieving them. Essentially, anything not development related should be in general ("I like this device, do you?", "Is your screen darker at the bottom than top"? etc...), and the questions about ROMs etc in Q&A...
naturally the accessories forum, but it's a question... if i were after information about accessories, i'd head to the accessories forum as i may have the same question.
It would belong to the accessories forum. As above, Q&A is for device/ROM questions.
forums thrive on questions and answers. moving some questions to a q+a forum, and appearing to turn a blind eye to others just doesn't make sense. yes, so you miss some, but visitors don't know what you miss, and what you leave.
Interesting... You got any such examples? It would not be normal to move a question thread from a forum other than development, in my experience, so if there's an example, I'd love to see it. If you mean moving questions from development, that's not something we're likely to change, as it drives away the developers and hackers who make the ROMs you use
There shouldn't be any "blind eye turning", though if something is borderline or in doubt, it wouldn't usually be moved.
i'm thinking maybe test out a slightly looser mod regime for a while and allow related questions in the forums.
Other than the development forums (they're not going to change- we're having to add restrictions in there as well like postcount to stop spam and junk), that should be the way it is... Please PM me any examples you see, as I'd be keen to follow them up.
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Answers inline.
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I'll get straight to the point....
Despite stickys and forum announcements most of us are still finding ourselves becoming terribly, terribly vexed at the amount of [Q]'s cluttering the dev section...
Therefore, from now on, if you do not follow the rules outlined below, you will be infracted. Break them again and you may find yourself unable to post anything at all on any forum!!
[Q]Surely thats a bit harsh aint it??
[A]Not really....
We've tried to be nice about it but that clearly doesnt work.
If you cannot read and abide by the simple rules in this sticky then I dont know how you're going to manage to hack your device without running into trouble.
The Dev section is NOT for asking questions.....
The Dev section is NOT for general topics..........
All threads posted MUST be prefixed with a description of the thread, [ROM] / [Kernel] etc etc.....*
*(Not planning on being particuarly strict on this. You guys (the devs), know how to title a thread.... just a pointer for new devs.)
Basically, unless your thread is to actually release something or discuss something of a very technical and n00b unfriendly nature, it doesnt belong here!
Pretty simple really.....
If you see something that shouldnt be here then PM me....
I will try to check in as reguarly as I can but I have a few sections to keep an eye on and believe it or not, a life outside XDA
Yes thats right, there is life outside XDA
I'm interested in the overclocking and undervolting capabilities of custom kernels found in the development forums, but I have no idea which to grab. I don't quite understand all of the acronyms and other terminology. I get that they OC the CPU and/or GPU, and help with battery by undervolting, but a lot of the other "features" I don't quite grasp.
CIFS...
NFS...
TUN...
BFS...
SLQB Memory Allocator...
Smartassv2, minmax, and lazy governors...
INIT.D...
Help a newb out? Running stock 4.0.2 on an unlocked/rooted LTE GN.
No one?
Going through the same thing. I will tell if I know what and how.
BFS is brain **** scheduler, but it doesn't boot on ICS so you shouldn't worry about that one yet.. smartass is a governor that caps the CPU at a lower clock speed when the screen is off, and the lazy governor is a tweaked on demand governor. The rest .. your guess is as good as mine I would recommend Franco kernels though
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CIFS - Allows you to view your Windows network via LAN
NFS - Allows you to access your device via LAN
TUN - Networking module, for SSH/VPN
SLQB Memory Allocator - Wanna know this myself
Smartassv2, minmax, and lazy governors - Answered below
INIT.D - A folder that you can program the kernel to run scripts out of during boot.
Please correct me if I'm wrong.
Google is your friend. If you google those terms, the first hit will explain to you what each and one of them are.
Stop being lazy, you could look it up yourself and learn more about it before someone actually posts it.
zephiK said:
Google is your friend. If you google those terms, the first hit will explain to you what each and one of them are.
Stop being lazy, you could look it up yourself and learn more about it before someone actually posts it.
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I actually searched "kernel vocabulary" in XDA and google before making this post and came up with nothing. Thanks for the awesome attitude and jumping to conclusions, though!
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I actually searched "kernel vocabulary" in XDA and google before making this post and came up with nothing. Thanks for the awesome attitude and jumping to conclusions, though!
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He's not talking about searching for "kernel vocabulary".. Of course you're going to find anything of value searching for that. Search for the terms themselves ! A little common sense goes a long way... And please stop reporting posts you simply don't agree with. Thanks
It's not about disagreement. He called me lazy because he incorrectly assumed I hadn't searched. Yes, "he called me a name on the internet waah", sure, but posts like that aren't necessary. Upon googling the acronyms in my OP I'm brought to many pages about kernels in general without specific applications to android. If I'm making a thread like this, clearly I need things in more layman terms than what I'm finding. Instead of being snide, which there was no reason for, he could have provided the link and been proactive. Or just ignored the thread altogether. That's why I reported.
zephiK said:
Google is your friend. If you google those terms, the first hit will explain to you what each and one of them are.
Stop being lazy, you could look it up yourself and learn more about it before someone actually posts it.
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NRGZ28 said:
He's not talking about searching for "kernel vocabulary".. Of course you're going to find anything of value searching for that. Search for the terms themselves ! A little common sense goes a long way... And please stop reporting posts you simply don't agree with. Thanks
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To prove both of you wrong, I still don't know what the memory allocator is despite searching XDA and Google each.
I'm rather upset, as well, that a senior mod would react that way to a user in a public post. There's no reason to be snide as you were. I was about ready to report the post as well - it may have been correct, but it was phrased very rudely.
I was under the impression all questions could be posted in this section.. it shouldn't matter if they're easy to find an answer to, I've seen way stupider things posted in this section and none of those received any snide remarks.. if you don't want to answer the question, don't.
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It's at the very top of this forum... Being chastised by a mod for reporting a post that was in clear violation of the rules, who then continues the same reported behavior himself, is indeed unsettling.
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I was under the impression all questions could be posted in this section.. it shouldn't matter if they're easy to find an answer to, I've seen way stupider things posted in this section and none of those received any snide remarks.. if you don't want to answer the question, don't.
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Here here. Would people feel better if I posted another thread complaining about the battery life?
Hi,
a simple question. when i tried to change a vote for a rom in on of the threads i found that the forum rules does not allow it.
i was wondering what is the reason for this limitation?
developers usually use the same thread for any version of their rom which can change for the best or worse.
since you cant change the vote it really create a false score for that thread.
and its not just a rom threads... even thread which filled with nothing and suddenly a new post with relevant information appears still re-rating the thread is not allowed.
so i was wondering if there is any way to change it? or any reason for it? or any way to create a better scoring for the threads?
^^ thanks~!
This limitation is in place to prevent people from abusing it and making false counts in polls in order to better advantage themselves.
Any Senior Moderator can edit a poll. if you need a poll edited, feel free to PM a Senior moderator and ask for help
but we are not talking about double rating.
we are talking about changing the previous rate
how come that would cause a misscount?
is there anyone to ask about that matter?
i really cant understand this scoring system. either i see old threads with buggy roms (for this current time) with 5 stars
or good threads with rocky start with 1 star.
this is mostly for roms but its also relevant for other threads.
what do you think
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Ladies and Gents,
As you may have noticed, we have been granted a Q&A section.
Therefore, all your questions should be posted there.
I will not be answering any more questions if they are not posted in the correct section, and I highly recommend everyone else to do the same.
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"You can overclock as much as you want, your phone will always seem too slow."
Nice thread
Btw many other phones don't have q&a but we do. And it seems to be useless. People why u no understand that general section is not for questions!
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