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Hi,
I am looked several hours for a response to my question, but have not found any answers. I have recently bought a Samsung Galaxy S3 and I am looking for a higher capacity battery, but one that is the same size as the original. I am not looking for the extended batteries that have new backs that come with the sale. The battery should be able to slide right into the phone and attach the original cover. I am perfectly alright with spending a decent amount of money for the improved battery.
Thanks.
Unless someone can prove me wrong, I think all of those listings with higher mah are bs. You're best with just buying a few OEM Samsung batteries. You can also buy the external charger(+phone dock) from Samsung, or a 3rd party one from ebay (charging on ebay one is extremely slow)
i am testing the hyperion battery 4000mah right now, final verdict will be on saturday. doing the charging as per instruction.
Yeah bigger battery but fits under the same back is a myth. Mugen claims to have a 2300 but I am not sure if it is for real.
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jev3gs said:
Yeah bigger battery but fits under the same back is a myth. Mugen claims to have a 2300 but I am not sure if it is for real.
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they have quality battery in the past. i own 2-3 of their battery and you get what you pay for.
yea the only way would be able to is if they make some modified Chemical for their Cells.
Or (more likely) they just dont follow the same expansion tolerances that OEM manufactures do so they can cram fatter Cells with slightly higher capacity into the same opening in the phone back.
I wouldn't just dimiss the Mugen battery, they're the only one so far that has 3.8v spec on their batt, which from little research is different chem from 3.7v.
And if the phone is regulating the charge, then charging these 3rd party 3.7v batteries with our built in charger will kill these batteries in a hurry.
without NFC and less regulated (less safer) packaging i can see extra 200mAh possible. but not worth $45 IMO>
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And if the phone is regulating the charge, then charging these 3rd party 3.7v batteries with our built in charger will kill these batteries in a hurry.
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Are there any differences between how the phone charge and how these 3rd party devices charge? Won't they all stop when the batteries reach 4.2v? The HTC rezound comes with either a 3.7v or 3.8v battery and I've not seen any indication that swapping batteries is a problem.
I have 2 batteries, 1 stock 1650mAh and 1 MOMAX 1800mAh.
Do I need to calibrate the 2 batteries separately in order to get the best result? Or calibrate once with one of them will get the job done?
You shouldn't "calibrate" batteries at all. Jut let the Gnex function as it's intended to.
063 is right. You don't need to do that. That doesn't have any meaning but using your battery one more cycle. Battery calibration is for outdated generation batteries, not for lithium polymer batteries.
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Hey guys! So i posted smth abt Bloated Battery and u guys told me to change it. Surfing the net when i came across this online shop that sells 2480mAh Battery for the Galaxy W (and others) and i wonder whether its real cos' i dont think such small slim battery can that much mAh rite? But also, its made in Japan NOT China so i expect to see "quality" here
check the one in my signature, it's exactly the same
i cannot compare it with stock one because stock one behaves badly after some overheats and experiments
everything is chinese but mine imho is quite nice, got 340 antutu battery score with it
the screenshot in sig is also made using it
dimaka1256 said:
check the one in my signature, it's exactly the same
i cannot compare it with stock one because stock one behaves badly after some overheats and experiments
everything is chinese but mine imho is quite nice, got 340 antutu battery score with it
the screenshot in sig is also made using it
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So it means, the mAh on the "Gold" one is exactly the same (1500) but behaves somewhat more better than stock?
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don't have any equipment to exactly measure the mAh, possibly it's about stock one
feels nice to replace damaged stock one but seems not to be a variant for super upgrade
haven't you seen anyone post antutu battery score here to compare?
or any method to measure the stats?
PS overall i'm satisfied, it's worth it's 7$
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Hey guys! So i posted smth abt Bloated Battery and u guys told me to change it. Surfing the net when i came across this online shop that sells 2480mAh Battery for the Galaxy W (and others) and i wonder whether its real cos' i dont think such small slim battery can that much mAh rite? But also, its made in Japan NOT China so i expect to see "quality" here
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This is the ultracheap golden one I was talking about in the other threat where you asked about freezing your bloated battery.. Having here 2. Each for 5 Euro.
So well. This batteries never ever do have this capacity. Somwhere around stock capacity or a bit less. They do not last that long like a Samsungs battery, so you will have to reacharge it a bit more often than a new Samsung battery. It´s even a bit thinner than a regular 1500mA battery.
However there is one advantage in using it. It´s a LI-Polymer battery. Not a Li-Ion battery. So it doesn´t use an fluid but a polymer and therefore the risks to get it bloated are much less than with a LI-Ion battery. I ran them also really hot and they didn´t get bloated so far.
When this battery would have about the same thickness like the Stock Samsung battery it really would offer more capacity but thus it´s thinner it has just about the same or a bit less and the 2480mAh are just fake.
So well you can use it as an replacement. Just don´t expect it to last longer than a stock battery.
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This is the ultracheap golden one I was talking about in the other threat where you asked about freezing your bloated battery.. Having here 2. Each for 5 Euro.
So well. This batteries never ever do have this capacity. Somwhere around stock capacity or a bit less. They do not last that long like a Samsungs battery, so you will have to reacharge it a bit more often than a new Samsung battery. It´s even a bit thinner than a regular 1500mA battery.
However there is one advantage in using it. It´s a LI-Polymer battery. Not a Li-Ion battery. So it doesn´t use an fluid but a polymer and therefore the risks to get it bloated are much less than with a LI-Ion battery. I ran them also really hot and they didn´t get bloated so far.
When this battery would have about the same thickness like the Stock Samsung battery it really would offer more capacity but thus it´s thinner it has just about the same or a bit less and the 2480mAh are just fake.
So well you can use it as an replacement. Just don´t expect it to last longer than a stock battery.
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Wait, Li-Polymer? I went researching and they said tht its the most dangerous battery in the world. They say tht its more likely to explode if u overcharge. I don't exactly know whether it true or not but u shld try search on YT abt it...
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TiTAN-O-One said:
Wait, Li-Polymer? I went researching and they said tht its the most dangerous battery in the world. They say tht its more likely to explode if u overcharge. I don't exactly know whether it true or not but u shld try search on YT abt it...
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That´s nonsense. The polymer is a static foil which can´t boil and create gases like the fluid in LI-Ion batteries. Well you can make everything explode. Even a banana by sending a flash with thousands Ampere through it.
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That´s nonsense. The polymer is a static foil which can´t boil and create gases like the fluid in LI-Ion batteries. Well you can make everything explode. Even a banana by sending a flash with thousands Ampere through it.
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Hhahaa so in other words, Li-Po is less likely to get damages?
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TiTAN-O-One said:
Hhahaa so in other words, Li-Po is less likely to get damages?
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Exactly. It´s an improved Li-Ion. Way easier to manufacture, less risky and even can offer higher capacity density.
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Exactly. It´s an improved Li-Ion. Way easier to manufacture, less risky and even can offer higher capacity density.
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why did cellphone manufacturers insist of using more expensive li-ion?
as u say it is better n safer, but li-polymer battery has lesser energy output than li-ion battery.
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That´s nonsense. The polymer is a static foil which can´t boil and create gases like the fluid in LI-Ion batteries. Well you can make everything explode. Even a banana by sending a flash with thousands Ampere through it.
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LOOOOLLLLZ! i like that exploding banana thing!
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why did cellphone manufacturers insist of using more expensive li-ion?
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Many cellphone manucafturers already switched to Li-Polymer battries but those who don´t are still having legit contracts with LI-Ion battery manufacturers which they are forced to fullfill. This has nothing to with reality but with making bussiness and telling the customers what they want them to belife.
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as u say it is better n safer, but li-polymer battery has lesser energy output than li-ion battery.
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Sorry but there you are wrong.
The difference between them lies in the material used as the separator. Rather than an inert substance with holes covered in electrolyte, the separator is made of a micro-porous polymer covered in an electrolytic gel that also serves as a catalyst that reduces the energy barrier in the chemical reaction between cathode and anode. Therefore, Li-Polymer batteries allow for a slight increase in energy density.
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Sources:
http://www.allaboutsymbian.com/features/item/15775_How_do_Lithium_batteries_work.php
http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/lithium_based_batteries
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lithium_polymer_battery
google search li-polymer vs li-ion battery, comes up with many links. such as;
http://www.androidauthority.com/lithium-ion-vs-lithium-polymer-whats-the-difference-27608/
http://www.buchmann.ca/article6-page1.asp
Risks and limitations on li-polymer battery:
1) Overcharging a Li-poly battery can cause an explosion or fire.
2) During discharge on load, the load has to be removed as soon as the voltage drops below approximately 3.0 V per cell (used in a series combination), or else the battery will subsequently no longer accept a full charge and may experience problems holding voltage under load. Li-poly batteries can be protected by circuitry that prevents over-charge and deep-discharge.
3) Compared to the lithium-ion battery, Li-poly is less advantageous in terms of life cycle degradation rate.
4) Lithium polymer-specific chargers are required in order to avoid fire and explosion.
5) Explosions can also occur if the battery is short-circuited, as tremendous current passes through the cell in an instant. Radio-control enthusiasts take special precautions to ensure their battery leads are properly connected and insulated. Furthermore fires can occur if the cell or pack is punctured.
6) While charging the lithium polymer batteries, the individual cells in the pack should be charged evenly. For this purpose, the cells are to be charged with special chargers. This entails special care while charging the batteries in addition to incurring expenses on procuring the chargers specific to lithium polymer batteries.
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google search li-polymer vs li-ion battery, comes up with many links. such as;
http://www.androidauthority.com/lithium-ion-vs-lithium-polymer-whats-the-difference-27608/
http://www.buchmann.ca/article6-page1.asp
Risks and limitations on li-polymer battery:
1) Overcharging a Li-poly battery can cause an explosion or fire.
2) During discharge on load, the load has to be removed as soon as the voltage drops below approximately 3.0 V per cell (used in a series combination), or else the battery will subsequently no longer accept a full charge and may experience problems holding voltage under load. Li-poly batteries can be protected by circuitry that prevents over-charge and deep-discharge.
3) Compared to the lithium-ion battery, Li-poly is less advantageous in terms of life cycle degradation rate.
4) Lithium polymer-specific chargers are required in order to avoid fire and explosion.
5) Explosions can also occur if the battery is short-circuited, as tremendous current passes through the cell in an instant. Radio-control enthusiasts take special precautions to ensure their battery leads are properly connected and insulated. Furthermore fires can occur if the cell or pack is punctured.
6) While charging the lithium polymer batteries, the individual cells in the pack should be charged evenly. For this purpose, the cells are to be charged with special chargers. This entails special care while charging the batteries in addition to incurring expenses on procuring the chargers specific to lithium polymer batteries.
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Thankyou for the information i did know that.
did u know the batteries use by apple iphone, ipad, itablet and ipod?
they all use li-polymer battery and non-removable, need apple authorized centers to replace battery.
saintsoh said:
google search li-polymer vs li-ion battery, comes up with many links. such as;
http://www.androidauthority.com/lithium-ion-vs-lithium-polymer-whats-the-difference-27608/
http://www.buchmann.ca/article6-page1.asp
Risks and limitations on li-polymer battery:
1) Overcharging a Li-poly battery can cause an explosion or fire.
2) During discharge on load, the load has to be removed as soon as the voltage drops below approximately 3.0 V per cell (used in a series combination), or else the battery will subsequently no longer accept a full charge and may experience problems holding voltage under load. Li-poly batteries can be protected by circuitry that prevents over-charge and deep-discharge.
3) Compared to the lithium-ion battery, Li-poly is less advantageous in terms of life cycle degradation rate.
4) Lithium polymer-specific chargers are required in order to avoid fire and explosion.
5) Explosions can also occur if the battery is short-circuited, as tremendous current passes through the cell in an instant. Radio-control enthusiasts take special precautions to ensure their battery leads are properly connected and insulated. Furthermore fires can occur if the cell or pack is punctured.
6) While charging the lithium polymer batteries, the individual cells in the pack should be charged evenly. For this purpose, the cells are to be charged with special chargers. This entails special care while charging the batteries in addition to incurring expenses on procuring the chargers specific to lithium polymer batteries.
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The same thing i wondered. Search at YT and they said Li-Po is dangerous
Video Link : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-DcpANRFrI4&feature=youtube_gdata_player
TiTAN-O-One said:
Hey guys! So i posted smth abt Bloated Battery and u guys told me to change it. Surfing the net when i came across this online shop that sells 2480mAh Battery for the Galaxy W (and others) and i wonder whether its real cos' i dont think such small slim battery can that much mAh rite? But also, its made in Japan NOT China so i expect to see "quality" here
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lets return back to the main topic.
it is too cheap compare to oem battery, so dont expect goods specs be accordance to wat it advertised.
it cant be li-polymer battery, too expensive to manufacture.
2480mAh?? do a search buyers claim it to be below 1200mAh.
google search the 2900mAh battery, thickness is double, this is many claim to be the true deal.
china have many rejection parts from corporation companies, their sub-contractors to sub-sub contractors to sub-sub-sub small companies.
many will recycle to gain back some of their loss $$$ on rejections instead of dispose/destroy those parts.
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lets return back to the main topic.
it is too cheap compare to oem battery, so dont expect goods specs be accordance to wat it advertised.
it cant be li-polymer battery, too expensive to manufacture.
2480mAh?? do a search buyers claim it to be below 1200mAh.
google search the 2900mAh battery, thickness is double, this is many claim to be the true deal.
china have many rejection parts from corporation companies, their sub-contractors to sub-sub contractors to sub-sub-sub small companies.
many will recycle to gain back some of their loss $$$ on rejections instead of dispose/destroy those parts.
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Its okay really, we can somewhat "compare" with the OEM battery (but since mines bloated ) and "gold" one in an Antutu Benchmark test... Who knows?
Typing using a Mini 2 -.-"
TiTAN-O-One said:
Its okay really, we can somewhat "compare" with the OEM battery (but since mines bloated ) and "gold" one in an Antutu Benchmark test... Who knows?
Typing using a Mini 2 -.-"
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very easy
someone with stock battery performs the test and compares to my screenshot
anyone can?
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saintsoh said:
lets return back to the main topic.
it is too cheap compare to oem battery, so dont expect goods specs be accordance to wat it advertised.
it cant be li-polymer battery, too expensive to manufacture.
2480mAh?? do a search buyers claim it to be below 1200mAh.
google search the 2900mAh battery, thickness is double, this is many claim to be the true deal.
china have many rejection parts from corporation companies, their sub-contractors to sub-sub contractors to sub-sub-sub small companies.
many will recycle to gain back some of their loss $$$ on rejections instead of dispose/destroy those parts.
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Oh wehhh. All the disadvanteges you are listing up in your previous post are also related to LI-Ion and every other battery.
Like I already said. Overcharging a banana with a flash will make it also explode. A flash hitting your head will also overcharge you. It can make your eyes explode and will boil your blood imediatelly. Why do you think they are bounding the eyes for people who are getting killed on electrical chairs? Because their eyes are exploding when the current is streaming through their body.
The same to short circuit a battery. Even a silly carbon battery will explode under this circumstates. That´s also why most batteries used for phones are having a short circuit protection. Even the old NiCd batteries which were used in the stone old cellphones.
About droping below 3V. This is legit for both. LI-Polymer and LI-Ion. Not only to LI-Polymer.
LI-Polymer batteries are charged the same way like LI-Ion batteries. The source telling it needs an special charger is a guy who is just sharing his opinion without referring to fundamental sources.
The other source is from 2001 and rather outdated when it comes to density but even there the guy says it´s less dangerous to catch fire.
To sum this up it seems like you just are collecting contrary claims like the guy in your first source without being objective just to make this type of battery to appear worse compared to the older LI-Ion batteries. But not telling the full truth to make it appear like LI-Polymer can explode when overcharged but LI-Ion can not. And this is for me bending the truth.
And to be exact. Not Li-Ion battieries began in 1912 but simple non rechargable Lithium batteries like the one used in watches. Rechargable LI-Ion batteries began in the 70´s and Li-Polymer is the further developement of LI-Ion batteries where newer manufacturing processes and developement make it even safer and having a higher density.
So last but not least. It IS a LI-Polymer battery. It has no hard case like Li-Ion batteries require to have to hold the fluid in it. You can bend this battery forth and back like all li-Polymer batteries. On the back side it even says it´s a Li-Polymer battery, but the missing hard case and the bending test are enough evidence for being one.
AND it has been said already many times it´s never ever 2400mAh but somwhere around stock capacity. The is just fake to get better sales.
However for this money there is nothing wrong in buying it as an replacement.
ok guys you can laugh as much as you want but i did it lol . i used to have the nexus that google used to sell which was a great phone i had 2 backup batteries for the phone . i was looking at my note two and note 3 and was looking at the difference in battery in each one and found a way to run the nexus battery on the note 2 and the note 3 lol it looks ghetto but works and i never have to run to charger. look at the pics
you can see the size difference in the battery size is major but the battery for the nexus does last pretty damn good for some reason. on the nexus battery on the side where the metal connections are i shaved off the tabs on that side look at pics lol
R.I.P batteries or Note 3. :| Lol.
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R.I.P batteries or Note 3. :| Lol.
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Well the battery from the nexus was just sitting in my desk not being used being that ibsold the nexus . So I was like wait will this work in my note 2 and 3 it did. Very little mods needed yo be done other then shaving a peace of wood or plastic to hold the battery in place and shaving the tabs on one side off so it would sit flush against the pins .
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What capacity is the spare battery
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Its a 1750mAh
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Its a 1750mAh
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Half the capacity and an older battery lasting longer ..........
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Its def lasting atleast half the day and I was suprised when it did .
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I commend you for the idea here but I think we would like to see a screenshot of the battery usage stats.
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Half the capacity and an older battery lasting longer ..........
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Sure do you recommend a program to mesure how the battery performs.
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Ghetto fabulous.
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I modified mine to run off of 3 AAA duracell batteries. Back cover bulges out though... maybe ill try this instead
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It might run okay for now, but in the end you'll blow up the battery and make the phone unstable. The GN3 battery is 3.8V while the GNex battery is 3.7V. Yes, that 0.1V makes a difference - the phone will charge the GNex battery with a too high voltage which can cause it to overheat and swell. The phone running off 3.7V will be underpowered and might or might not randomly crash.
This thread scares me....
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It might run okay for now, but in the end you'll blow up the battery and make the phone unstable. The GN3 battery is 3.8V while the GNex battery is 3.7V. Yes, that 0.1V makes a difference - the phone will charge the GNex battery with a too high voltage which can cause it to overheat and swell. The phone running off 3.7V will be underpowered and might or might not randomly crash.
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It's not that big of a deal. Lithium batteries have an upper limit of 4.2 Volts which is why if you use a general purpose charger such as those used for charging RC packs you can charge Li-Ion and Li-Po batteries both on the same setting. Either way it charges them up to 4.2V and then cuts off. Once a load is applied, the battery drops to its nominal voltage - 3.7 or 3.8V and remains at that level for most of its life before rapidly dropping off when it gets low. When this happens cut-off circuitry kicks in around 3.2V or so to prevent the battery from discharging too much which will permanently damage it. Since the battery can't be safely charged above 4.2 or let drop below 3.2 or so, all the charging and discharging is managed by a chip designed for that purpose. Also, it means that you can't overcharge your battery by leaving your phone plugged in 24/7 as the charging chip will stop charging when it reaches that upper limit.
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It's not that big of a deal. Lithium batteries have an upper limit of 4.2 Volts which is why if you use a general purpose charger such as those used for charging RC packs you can charge Li-Ion and Li-Po batteries both on the same setting. Either way it charges them up to 4.2V and then cuts off.
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Lithium ion batteries with a nominal 3.7 voltage should be charged to 4.20 V or so.
Lithium ion batteries with a nominal 3.8 voltage are typically charged to 4.30 or 4.35 V. It's a new type of lithium ion battery with different chemistry, and hence the different voltages. If you take a battery meant to be charged to 4.20 V and repeatedly charge it to 4.35 V, its cycle life will be significantly reduced. 0.1 V difference will reduce the cycle life by something on the order of 50%. Here is a reference: http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/how_to_prolong_lithium_based_batteries
Apple, Samsung, and Motorola seem to be using this new type of battery, and the phones are charging them to 4.30 or 4.35 V. I'm not sure how widespread the technology is or if it has trickled into aftermarket battery offerings.
I commend you for your work and glad your getting more battery life with this mod but I'm sure most of us are fine with the life of the phone stock gives us without any modifications or just wait til zero lemon releases their behemoth 10k mah battery with zero shock case to protect the phone.
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awesome. this means i will probably be able to stick 4pin samsung batteries in my note2. must be sure the 3 pins on the note2 correctly connect pos and neg with the plates on the 4-pin batteries. in a few years the note2 replacement batteries on ebay will have shorter lifespan due to storage in the warehouse. instead i may purchase a battery for a then current model (such as galaxy s6 battery) and stick that that in my note2.
Lithium ion batteries with a nominal 3.7 voltage should be charged to 4.20 V or so.
Lithium ion batteries with a nominal 3.8 voltage are typically charged to 4.30 or 4.35 V. It's a new type of lithium ion battery with different chemistry, and hence the different voltages. If you take a battery meant to be charged to 4.20 V and repeatedly charge it to 4.35 V, its cycle life will be significantly reduced. 0.1 V difference will reduce the cycle life by something on the order of 50%. Here is a reference: http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/how_to_prolong_lithium_based_batteries
Apple, Samsung, and Motorola seem to be using this new type of battery, and the phones are charging them to 4.30 or 4.35 V. I'm not sure how widespread the technology is or if it has trickled into aftermarket battery offerings.
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But with this new 'smart battery' and 'smart charger' system it seems very likely that the battery's capabilities are read by the charger so that the charger will not cause damage. It might be that the charger will adjust the charging protocol if it can support the battery's needs, or perhaps refuse to charge an unsupported battery. I think if he measures the charging voltage he might find that it is different for the two batteries.
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Thanks to this, I will have more battery life. Cheers! Just kidding!
Thanks
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Hello all,
Just a quick question, I ordered a new battery the other day (2450 mAh) and it only charges to 80% before saying it is full. I'm sure that even though I'm on stock kernel I should be able to run a larger battery, so I'm assuming the battery is faulty.
Could anybody give me clarification on the biggest battery size you can run on stock kernel?
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Do a battery calibration, google it.
I lot of the 'unbranded' batteries with optimistic power capacities have no regulations around what they state the 'real' usable mAh life of the battery is.
I'd be very surprised if the battery gives you longer usage than your original 1700mAh battery.
I'm guessing it'll probably be considerably less.
There is no limit to battery capacity within the limits of what you can physically fit into the recess provided for the BA900 battery.
Mugen Power can only get a 1900mAh battery in that size... so that's something to consider when you think about a 2450mAh battery.