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Hi,
I remember from owning an IPhone having to synchronise my ewallet (a password manager) files over the air from the desktop whilst the app was running on the phone. (I'll admit it was a minor annoyance).
Having moved to android and using a combination of dropbox and keepass, I don't really think about anymore - I just open dropbox and click the file and keepass opens up.
But, what about WP7? I realise that apps are only permitted to use their own storage. If I were to build a say, a keepass app for WP7, would I be back to building some desktop client software that allow syncing over the air whilst the app was running (like IPhone/ewallet), or hooking into any number of online sync services like Dropbox, Box.net, Pogoplug, etc, just to get the file some place the app can reach it.
I'm having trouble thinking of any other option given the lack of any common storage.
Thanks
If you did develop Keepass for WP7, you'd have your first customer here!
I'm actually tempted to try and port it myself, and I've come to the same conclusion as you regarding storage. The local KDB file would need to held in private storage and synchronised to an off-device copy, be that a desktop app or something like drop box.
A keepass app is one of the things I was considering. Not so sure about it now.
I'll have a look round for an elegant solution.
Well, isn't Skydrive the same as Dropbox? As I understood WP7 uses Skydrive to store your files 'in the cloud'; so why not put your Keepass file there?
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Well, isn't Skydrive the same as Dropbox? As I understood WP7 uses Skydrive to store your files 'in the cloud'; so why not put your Keepass file there?
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I'd not considered skydrive/mesh. I'll 'ave a look.
Thanks for the heads-up.
I'm thinking of writing a desktop synching app myself. That way any WP7 app could connect to it to import files from a PC.
I've thought about using skydrive myself, but it doesn't seem to offer a way to download the file directly.
Im at work and theres a pdf file and a doc which i want on my wp7 device. i cant download Zune here ( dont think it would work anyway) so how can i get these docs onto my phone? ive little time to think today. Help. This is important as ill i travel often and will need to do this more often.
I tried sending them to my email and picking it up from my phone but have been unsucessful so far. maybe ill try accessing the skydrive. i had some strange message about needing silverlight though Help!
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Im at work and theres a pdf file and a doc which i want on my wp7 device. i cant download Zune here ( dont think it would work anyway) so how can i get these docs onto my phone? ive little time to think today. Help. This is important as ill i travel often and will need to do this more often.
I tried sending them to my email and picking it up from my phone but have been unsucessful so far. maybe ill try accessing the skydrive. i had some strange message about needing silverlight though Help!
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Importing Office documents is unfortunately a problem with WP7....
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Sign up for Drop Box. No there is not an official DROPBOX for WP7 yet. WP7Box and CloudFiles looks promising but still not complete.
The mobile version of dropbox is really easy to use. m.dropbox.com
It's is finger friendly and is fast. Sync your files there and you are good to go. That is what I do for WP7. I also sync with Sharepoint and OneNote but I like to experiment.
With 25GIGs for free to store info why would you want to not use it. Information is only as good as your last backup. At least with cloud solutions you are backed up.
I keep all my powerpoint presentations, word docs, acrobat files etc. No need to have them in multiple locations.
Well we have another similar thread open, so I'll close this!
The desktop counterpart integrates with explorer and allows you to right click on any file ex docs and pictures and send it to your windows phone! I am not sure how secure the cloud storage is at the moment but this is some nice innovation for a free app.
Read more here: http://wpcentral.com/send-wp7-hits-back-desktop-app
You can compose texts, emails and notes on the desktop and send it to the phone as well. The application utilizes windows 7 jumplists and works almost instantaneously.
I'm impressed.
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Well, well, well...I guess if Microsoft wasn't going to step in and make SkyDrive play nice on WP7 (access through browser doesn't count if you cannot sync), then someone had to. I like where Send To WP7 is going. It is quite impressive indeed.
It's just a shame that Microsoft, who probably has more data centres than 98% of all corporations in the world, and is in the best position to promote cloud services ( like Windows Live ) is still lagging behind.
I'm the author of Send to WP7, if you have any other suggestions for ways you can send stuff to your phone, do let me know. I'm open to pretty much anything that's technically possibly without costing me an arm and a leg in infrastructure.
The main complaint in the current implementation is that it uploads to a public hosting site. Live Mesh and SkyDrive don't have suitable APIs for doing this, as I would very much like to tie everything into Windows Live. In order to be useful, the files need to be accessible via an HTTP URL, without requiring a cookie or authentication (HTTP auth may be acceptable, but it needs to be opened in the browser to have access to docs and PDFs.
Also do note that this is a preview quality build, I just figured some people may already want to start using it.
If only you could make a "Send From WP7" app...
The ability to send to other Windows Phones would be nice.
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If only you could make a "Send From WP7" app...
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No APIs to let me do this, unfortunately.
karelj said:
The ability to send to other Windows Phones would be nice.
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I'm not so sure this is practical, you may as well just email a link, right? if you're talking about from the browser, using the bookmarklet for alternate phones is supported in all desktop browsers.
davux, i'm not sure if it's possible as you don't have socket support, but a possible way to get skydrive access to work is to pass windows phone through fiddler and work out what it does when it syncs a onenote note to skydrive. i'm pretty sure this would be socket base meaning you'd be stuck, but if it isn't, you may just have the information required to directly upload to skydrive, with proper credentials and all.
it's just an idea, but this is what i'd try as a developer (yes i am one, but no where near experienced enough at this stage).
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davux, i'm not sure if it's possible as you don't have socket support, but a possible way to get skydrive access to work is to pass windows phone through fiddler and work out what it does when it syncs a onenote note to skydrive. i'm pretty sure this would be socket base meaning you'd be stuck, but if it isn't, you may just have the information required to directly upload to skydrive, with proper credentials and all.
it's just an idea, but this is what i'd try as a developer (yes i am one, but no where near experienced enough at this stage).
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I can actually access SkyDrive via WebDAV already, which is an HTTP protocol. I suspect OneNote sync does something similar, but I haven't checked it out. The primary issue with this approach is that it won't be all that useful. Images and text would transfer well like this, but if you wanted to send a PDF, or Office doc, there would be no way to open it. The only way to open these types of docs is through the browser. I figured a really important use-case is documents, so I decided to take another approach.
BTW - the current build of the desktop app now supports uploading to localhostr.com, serving up files via a local HTTP server, and using your Dropbox account.
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I can actually access SkyDrive via WebDAV already, which is an HTTP protocol. I suspect OneNote sync does something similar, but I haven't checked it out. The primary issue with this approach is that it won't be all that useful. Images and text would transfer well like this, but if you wanted to send a PDF, or Office doc, there would be no way to open it. The only way to open these types of docs is through the browser. I figured a really important use-case is documents, so I decided to take another approach.
BTW - the current build of the desktop app now supports uploading to localhostr.com, serving up files via a local HTTP server, and using your Dropbox account.
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Thank you for directly conversing with us Dave. I agree getting documents to the phone is the ideal usage of this application. Keep up the good work!
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The desktop counterpart integrates with explorer and allows you to right click on any file ex docs and pictures and send it to your windows phone! I am not sure how secure the cloud storage is at the moment but this is some nice innovation for a free app.
Read more here: http://wpcentral.com/send-wp7-hits-back-desktop-app
You can compose texts, emails and notes on the desktop and send it to the phone as well. The application utilizes windows 7 jumplists and works almost instantaneously.
I'm impressed.
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just set it up. The push notifications are instant!!!
davux said:
I'm the author of Send to WP7, if you have any other suggestions for ways you can send stuff to your phone, do let me know. I'm open to pretty much anything that's technically possibly without costing me an arm and a leg in infrastructure.
The main complaint in the current implementation is that it uploads to a public hosting site. Live Mesh and SkyDrive don't have suitable APIs for doing this, as I would very much like to tie everything into Windows Live. In order to be useful, the files need to be accessible via an HTTP URL, without requiring a cookie or authentication (HTTP auth may be acceptable, but it needs to be opened in the browser to have access to docs and PDFs.
Also do note that this is a preview quality build, I just figured some people may already want to start using it.
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Interesting stuff indeed. I for one, appreciate the work you are doing.
Wait a minute, you can use the Desktop app and upload to phone using your own local network? That is significantly easier to trust than a free cloud service.
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Wait a minute, you can use the Desktop app and upload to phone using your own local network? That is significantly easier to trust than a free cloud service.
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Yes. Unfortunately I can't make it an SSL connection, I'm not willing to pay for a cert. I will see if a test-signed certificate will work, but that is not actually as secure.
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Yes. Unfortunately I can't make it an SSL connection, I'm not willing to pay for a cert. I will see if a test-signed certificate will work, but that is not actually as secure.
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I've been trying out the desktop app with the local Wi-Fi method, and this seems to me the best way to get stuff to the phone. It's very quick too.
The dropbox integration isworking, and quite well. I'm wondering is there a way in future to upload to a private dropbox share?
Even though it's only an early preview, the dekstop app is great. I like the integration with Windows 7; I have it pinned to my taskbar. Might be useful to have a "Start with Windows" option in there. I'm sure you're aware of some of the bugs like the lack of proper icons in the jumplist Tasks and the filenaming issue that causes PDFs to be unreadable from WP7. To be expected with a preview.
From a UI point of view, I think the "Set Transfer Destination" option should not be in the jumplist and should be in the main config window instead. It's not a menu item you would need ever access to again after you've set your dropbox settings.
The WP7 app itself is also coming along great. I'm wondering if you will split the file list into categories, eg Notes, Links, Images, Files etc. Or failing that, have just "New" and "All" categories? Perhaps, for things like notes, you can Archive them into an Archive category... just an idea. Oh, and when a file is sent via the desktop app at the moment, for example a photo, instead of displaying just as "File", perhaps it could display as "File - {name}"?
Great stuff, getting great use out of this app so far, and its usefulness will explode when copy and paste arrives to WP7 devices. Thanks!
A big thanks to Dave for this excellent tool, it is also nice to see a thread wherevpeoplevare pushing the boundaries of what can be done with wp7 rather than just slanting it off.
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The dropbox integration isworking, and quite well. I'm wondering is there a way in future to upload to a private dropbox share?
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Not likely, as I've been saying, the phone needs to be able to access a share via the web browser. As far as I know, Dropbox private folders won't do this. That's why I've included an option to mutate the name a bit, so someone can't just guess filenames in your public folder.
The WP7 app itself is also coming along great. I'm wondering if you will split the file list into categories, eg Notes, Links, Images, Files etc. Or failing that, have just "New" and "All" categories? Perhaps, for things like notes, you can Archive them into an Archive category... just an idea. Oh, and when a file is sent via the desktop app at the moment, for example a photo, instead of displaying just as "File", perhaps it could display as "File - {name}"?
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Note that the phone app has absolutely no support for the desktop app at this time, I will bring support for it in an update. Views are likely, I haven't decided what to do yet. I wouldn't expect that update for a couple of weeks though.
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A big thanks to Dave for this excellent tool, it is also nice to see a thread wherevpeoplevare pushing the boundaries of what can be done with wp7 rather than just slanting it off.
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Thanks.
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Dave, thanks for this app. It works well so far & I'm sure I'll get a lot of use out of this. One problem though I'm not getting notifications & when I open the app on the phone I get a push notification error. 'Failed to open channel'. Great work mate. Keep it up. Will send a donation when I get a chance.
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I'm the author of Send to WP7, if you have any other suggestions for ways you can send stuff to your phone, do let me know. I'm open to pretty much anything that's technically possibly without costing me an arm and a leg in infrastructure.
The main complaint in the current implementation is that it uploads to a public hosting site. Live Mesh and SkyDrive don't have suitable APIs for doing this, as I would very much like to tie everything into Windows Live. In order to be useful, the files need to be accessible via an HTTP URL, without requiring a cookie or authentication (HTTP auth may be acceptable, but it needs to be opened in the browser to have access to docs and PDFs.
Also do note that this is a preview quality build, I just figured some people may already want to start using it.
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I can not download it in Germany
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Dave, thanks for this app. It works well so far & I'm sure I'll get a lot of use out of this. One problem though I'm not getting notifications & when I open the app on the phone I get a push notification error. 'Failed to open channel'. Great work mate. Keep it up. Will send a donation when I get a chance.
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I actually have this same problem on my device. I opened the same-named notification channel on a dev build, then I uninstalled that build while it had the channel open - now neither the marketplace build nor new dev builds will open the channel.
I don't know how you got into this situation, but my point is that I don't really know what I can do to help--I'm under the assumption that all I can do to fix my device is to do a master reset (so I'm waiting for the NoDo update). I'm hoping that this bug is fixed in the next update, but I don't know if it's even officially reported.
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I can not download it in Germany
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I've selected all possible countries, which I think includes Germany. I don't think there is anything else I can do for you--maybe I could post a link to the XAP and you could sideload it? My only issue with this is that I'll then have to maintain a secondary distribution channel, and will need to build some kind of updater.
you should be able to post a zune link and it should allow him to access it that way. no need to sideload.
The Zune:// link has always been on my product page.
http://www.daveamenta.com/products/chrome-to-wp7/
I have been trying to find out if windows 7 mobile is able to support my excel spreadsheet. Some retailers say yes no problem, others say my formulas are to complex, no one has been able to try it for me. How can I find out if my spreadsheet can be read, edited and it calculates properly before I buy?
Does the handset make any differance or is the win 7 the same on all? I haven't purchased a handset as of yet as I am still trying to find out what apps I can use on them. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. I very much want excel and word support, pdf reader is a must - creator would be a real plus. Gps would be real nice too.
Thus far I am leaning towards the htc surround, it seems to be one of the better options in my limited market.
before you buy the device,I have to let you know that,unless you are using microsoft sharepoint,if not the office application is kind of useless.
me as a student,I can't even transfer my lecture note to the device and revise it anywhere.
so,think twice before you buy a device
onenote is the only thing that you can sync to skydrive. so you can edit them on the web as well.
excel and word on the hand has to be emailed back and forth if you don't have sharepoint.
MS did demo a skydrive client at CES, which will be part of mango update, released in fall 2011, so that will be the resolve, but till then email is the only way to do it.
Thanks for the tips, I can see more research is in order.
You don't have to email word and excel documents in order to make them usable on a WP7 device. You can also choose to sync these items with either dropbox - which has several clients for WP7 - or software solutions like homepipe. Both work fine, either way.
But it's truely just a workaround until MS will provide full skydrive support. Which should have been part of WP7 from day one in the first place.
Transfering isn't a big deal, I would like to put the spreadsheet template on the handset, add in the data as needed and have excel do the calculations. Perhaps a quarterly backup to the computer would be fine. Will the handset excel sync with the desktop app, filling in the fields or would that have to be done manually?
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Transfering isn't a big deal, I would like to put the spreadsheet template on the handset, add in the data as needed and have excel do the calculations. Perhaps a quarterly backup to the computer would be fine. Will the handset excel sync with the desktop app, filling in the fields or would that have to be done manually?
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I never really tried that, because I hardly use excel. But the way I described works with word, so why should it be any different with excel? Just save the file created on your desktop PC to your dropbox folder (or any other folder you can sync with your handset), then download and open it from the client app on your device.
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Transfering isn't a big deal, I would like to put the spreadsheet template on the handset, add in the data as needed and have excel do the calculations. Perhaps a quarterly backup to the computer would be fine. Will the handset excel sync with the desktop app, filling in the fields or would that have to be done manually?
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Well, I just looked into my zune & LG Quantum transfer options, and I could not find any options regarding transferring any type of files that are not music, video or podcasts. EDIT: NM, miss understood your question. I don't believe the spreadsheets will sync. But using dropbox, this wouldn't be an issue, as you would always be opening the dropbox copy of the spreadsheet.
RE: seeing whether or not your excel spreadsheet will run properly, I am not sure how private/personal your spreadsheet is, but you could email it to a user here to test it and report back to you if it works.
Would the dropbox copy be the same as the computer copy? Would someone be willing to try the template for me to see if it will run and calculate properly? That is a great idea! The template is about 1.5 mb. If anyone is willing to try this for me please PM me, thanks.
i use Excel a lot on my windows phone by using a budget spreadsheet I whipped up on my computer. I know there are multitudes of budgets apps but why do that when you can auto calculate averages, sums, and present them graphically with a simple spread sheet?
Now at the moment, the only way to get Office docs (Word or Excel) on the phone is via emailing your self or as others suggested dropbox or file server. The downside is changes made on the phone isn't synced back to the source. You have to email the changes to yourself.
Microsoft has demoed Skydrive integration coming in the Fall update. Changes made then will be automatically synced like One note is now.
As for formulas, my formulas and graphs work and show up on the phone just fine! However I am not sure if more complicated ones work as I was unable to edit an excel timesheet from my job on my phone (says unable to open this file created from earlier office version). I am willing to test this template for you.
Feel free to PM it to me.
Also one way to get office documents on the phone iis utilizing skydrive instead of dropbox
1, I mapped my skydrive "My Documents" folder as a network drive on my Windows 7 PC
2. I save all my office documents there. I can edit them, delete them, rename them just as any other folder.
3. One the phone you can access skydrive via the browser and download your files without needing drop box or 3rd party solutions. The downside is being unable to upload them back!
4. Do maintenance, email your changed document and replace it on the desktop yourself.
Hope this helps.
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1, I mapped my skydrive "My Documents" folder as a network drive on my Windows 7 PC
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how did you do this? i would like to know as i've always wanted to do this as well. Windows Live Mesh doesn't seem to do it the way i want.
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how did you do this? i would like to know as i've always wanted to do this as well. Windows Live Mesh doesn't seem to do it the way i want.
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If you have Office2010 follow this easy guide
http://downloadsquad.switched.com/2010/04/25/use-office-2010-to-map-a-local-drive-letter-to-your-free-25gb-live-skydrive/
awesome! i'll give this a try when i get home.
Hello everyone,
I already know the answer to this but do you think there is a way to hack the google books apk to force it to read ePub files? I am currently using adilko as my ereader and its okay but I just love the page turning animation and smoothness of google books. Adilkos animations don't come close to google books.
Anyone know if this can be done?
Does anyone know of any other readers that have a great page turning animation?
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I've looked into it and I'm pretty sure there's no way of importing an epub into the Books app. I'm no expert so I don't know how much XDA hacking sweetness would have to go into making it happen if it's even possible in the first place.
I agree though. The animations and stability of Google Books is sweet. Importing and using books from the cloud would be awesome.
the Nook app is the best ive found. not as smooth as google books is, but the the customization, look, and sideloading make it the one i use the most.
I agree with ianflo. Nook seems to be (one of) the best for sideloaded epub viewing.
Personally I have been using Aldiko for my book reading needs. Works quite well if I do say so myself.
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Been using Mantano reader myself, page turning, while not as good as google books, as pretty close to it. Side loading is easy, just browse to whereever you stored the epubs on your device and import.
Its an almost perfect reader, just needs a TOC button.
Two things. First, I need to make sure my favorite epub reader is mentioned, fbreader.
Second, does google books support side-loading any format? If so, calibre may be able to transform epubs to that format. It's a Windows tool for managing ebook libraries.
Calibre is a multiplatform program, runs quite well on Linux btw. http://calibre-ebook.com/download
As for sideloading on google books, nope, the files are stored somewhere, where haven't a clue, in what format, ditto.
So I tried nook' its OK its not all that great. I downloaded one of their free books how do you side load epub files for the nook?
Mantanos free version does not include the page turn effect and the pay is like 6 bucks. A bit pricey if you ask me. I currently use aldiko and fbreader. They are both great but the page turn animation is lacking big time.
There has to be a way to side load these files through Google books no? Even if you convert the file using caliber?
Edit: figured out how to sideload to the nook app.
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bustinstugots24 said:
Hello everyone,
I already know the answer to this but do you think there is a way to hack the google books apk to force it to read ePub files? I am currently using adilko as my ereader and its okay but I just love the page turning animation and smoothness of google books. Adilkos animations don't come close to google books.
Anyone know if this can be done?
Does anyone know of any other readers that have a great page turning animation?
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Try GO Books https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.jb.gobook&feature=nav_result
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Personally I have been using Aldiko for my book reading needs. Works quite well if I do say so myself.
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Same. Aldiko has worked wonderfully for me.
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Try GO Books https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.jb.gobook&feature=nav_result
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I just tried it
I won't lie its not perfect. Its a little glitchy and not the smoothest but this app definitely has potential. Not bad at all
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I just recently switched from aldiko to moon+ reader. I don't use the page turn animation so I'm not sure how smooth it is, but the app as a whole is just fantastic. So much control over every part of the app it's just great.
It also has a nice sync feature using dropbox. I can put my N7 down and when I go out and open the same book on my phone it syncs the page to where I last left off.
I bought the pro version after about 10 minutes of use on the free one.
I have been preaching for a way to load epubs into google books for a long time now. All the other book reader apps have some kind of compromise or niggle that annoys me. I don't understand why google doesn't just open it up to sideloading.
hmmmm
satur9ine said:
I have been preaching for a way to load epubs into google books for a long time now. All the other book reader apps have some kind of compromise or niggle that annoys me. I don't understand why google doesn't just open it up to sideloading.
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Got my Nexus7 last week and while researching Kindle and Nook book rental options...I found out Google / Google Books is making an effort... See below
“In 2004, The New York Public Library was one of several libraries taking part in this ground-breaking digital venture with Google; others included the libraries at Michigan, Stanford, Harvard, and Oxford Universities. Since 2004, other libraries and institutions have signed partnership agreements including Princeton University, Cornell University, the University of California system, and the Committee for Institutional Cooperation (CIC). They even have a nice list of Google's Library Partners, from around the world too.
Been using Moon+ Reader for a couple months now, tons of features, page turn is like pulling the corner of a page and flipping it as opposed to Googles dragging the middle of the page, page turn works nice, though not quite as pretty as googles, although it is more dynamic in that it is not the same every time you turn a page. If you hold as you slide finger and move finger down as pulling you will see page react accordingly, or just tap side and flip animation. You can import and sort books according to directories which is awesome, I have a different directory for every author and sort works very well. Like the above reader said I used it for a few minutes and purchased the Pro immediately, it just works well.
Also like the person above mentioned the cloud sync is amazing. I have an S3, Galaxy Nexus, and N7, use each of them at different times, and whatever I'm reading is left off in the same spot on the next device I use.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.flyersoft.moonreader&feature=related_apps
Another app worth mentioning for ePub & PDF books is the Kobo app: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.kobobooks.android&hl=en
I have tried nearly every reader out there and the best by far for me was cool reader. The front end is not as nice as some others but the ability to configure is great.
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omar411269 said:
I'm a bit of a noob here but how do you sideload books from Nook on Googe Books
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You can't but you should be able to read them if you download the Nook app for Android.
Gotta mention Mantano Premium reader here. The Page turn animation is pretty much the same as the iOS animation, and just as smooth. Feels as smooth as it can possibly be. I've tried dozens of book reader apps and all have been disappointing except for Mantano. It's a little pricey but I consider it a core must have for a tablet so it's definitely worth it. Packed full of other features too.