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I love XDA, I love the people here and I truly beleive there is no other place like it on the net.
I'm moving over to Android and I have already seen a few threads popping up around the subject on here.
My question is will the XDA admin be looking at extending support to other Android phones than the G1 including those made by other OEMs like Samsung and will the site carry on supporting those in the same way Winmo has been.
I dont believe Android is going any where and I would like to see the site expand to embrace it and continue been the number on place to use your phone properly as well as trying out new stuff.
PS Admin - feel free to change the title if you want.
Terran
The general rule on this site is that devices can only have a forum if manufactured by HTC.
Requests for Non-HTC Windows Mobile device forums have not been accepted by the admins, so I think it is safe to assume that Non-HTC Android device forums will also, not be created.
Thanks
Dave
Sort General Forum by OS?
Can I pose a suggestion here? I know that the site is for HTC devices and the devices now come in different OS flavours. Should there be a separation on the subforuns (fora?) by OS now? There are more threads for the Android (and it is gonna be big soon!) coming up and it is getting even more confusing to sift through the posts even more so on the General area and it would be easier for everybody to identify what they want and how to help. No offence here but some other sites already sort things by OS and it looks much neater the way they do.
Cheers! All the best.
DaveShaw said:
The general rule on this site is that devices can only have a forum if manufactured by HTC.
Requests for Non-HTC Windows Mobile device forums have not been accepted by the admins, so I think it is safe to assume that Non-HTC Android device forums will also, not be created.
Thanks
Dave
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i can understand why they would do such a thing. however. This site is THE best on the web for everything HTC but also for everything WINMO. there is a lot on here with the omnia and Xperia becausreit's the same OS. I think XDA-devs should allow other phones on here as long as the developers here are working on them then lets have the forums.
wovens said:
Can I pose a suggestion here? I know that the site is for HTC devices and the devices now come in different OS flavours. Should there be a separation on the subforuns (fora?) by OS now? There are more threads for the Android (and it is gonna be big soon!) coming up and it is getting even more confusing to sift through the posts even more so on the General area and it would be easier for everybody to identify what they want and how to help. No offence here but some other sites already sort things by OS and it looks much neater the way they do.
Cheers! All the best.
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no need for that imo....the forum is very precise and easy to use and there isn't much confusion...so no need for that....
and in a few years (hopefully) we will overcome WM and you will have WM manufactured devices running android and linux with great reliability
...i mean when did MS care for reliability
keridel said:
i can understand why they would do such a thing. however. This site is THE best on the web for everything HTC but also for everything WINMO. there is a lot on here with the omnia and Xperia becausreit's the same OS. I think XDA-devs should allow other phones on here as long as the developers here are working on them then lets have the forums.
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the thing in being strictly htc forum is that we do not want bunch of nokias and other devices around here...
the forum would be destroyed and not usable if there were all those manufacturers.....mobile telephones are one huge field and one forum can't deal with it
xperia is a htc...otherwise it wouldn't be in the forum...the omnia is not and there is no official forum for it.....but as you could probably see bunch of guys gather in the general forum...and that really sucks because they were asked not to and they still do (they do not respect the forum or pay any attention to it imo)....and mods can't deal with it because of their time and resources
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the thing in being strictly htc forum is that we do not want bunch of nokias and other devices around here...
the forum would be destroyed and not usable if there were all those manufacturers.....mobile telephones are one huge field and one forum can't deal with it
xperia is a htc...otherwise it wouldn't be in the forum...the omnia is not and there is no official forum for it.....but as you could probably see bunch of guys gather in the general forum...and that really sucks because they were asked not to and they still do (they do not respect the forum or pay any attention to it imo)....and mods can't deal with it because of their time and resources
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i apologise i didnt realise xperia was htc as well. no i too dont want nokia users here lol. i suppose the compromise is keep the forum htc phones but allow in depth use of the resources for the OS's. android has a place here as it is used by h... you know what i'm writing this and thinking to myself actually I DONT want loads of other phones here. I like the fact that XDA-devs are the best there is and you do that by being a specialist not a generalist.
so to summarise. keep things as they are.
what a waste or forum space this post was. I am ashamed.
i did have an android section on the winmo site but ive took it down until there is an actual need for it to be there
at the minute there ist a lot of non htc android device but they are coming so until that time there is no point in me havineg an android section thats gonna stay empty until there is interst
but when the devices come and you need a forum then hit me a line ill start putting android forum support again
Hey Everyone,
As mentioned in my earlier post (please read if you have not yet already), we are considering adding non-HTC forums to the site, and are curious to hear which ones should be first. We're considering devices such as the Motorola Droid/CLIQ, plus the Samsung Omnia II and/or Acer neoTouch. What are your thoughts? We're listening!
P.S. The below excerpt is taken from my first post, and should help answer some questions.
svetius; said:
Finally-- and hopefully this doesn't cause a mass uproar-- we are considering the idea of selectively adding non-HTC device forums (focused on Windows Mobile and Android devices). Every day we get requests from users for this, and there's really no good reason why we cannot oblige them. Already the discussion is happening in the general forums. That said, we will only add new forums if: 1. We are confident added traffic won't cause site speed to suffer; 2. We can recruit quality moderators; and 3. The content and discussion is of high quality. The only way to know these things for sure is to try it out. So, within the next 14 days we are going to add two or three non-HTC forums. The delay is to ensure the site continues to operate at a reasonable speed and so we can figure out where to put the new forums (the forum homepage is already absurdly long and cluttered). We are open to suggestions as to deserving devices for our first non-HTC forums, so give us your ideas in this thread.
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MOD EDIT - The following devices are due to be added Thursday morning (CET time):
Acer neoTouch F1 S200
Acer Liquid A1 S100
Samsung Omnia II
Toshiba TG01
There may be a slight delay in adding these so no more request for the above devices
HP iPAQ HX4700
HP iPAQ HX4700, even though it is a HTC made device, would love to have a forum for it, willing to moderate as i have plenty of spare time
Much Thanks
Badwolve1
PS, YES!!! Second Post on both threads
Long overdue!
At last !
This is a very nice forum, resourceful , frequented by the "developers" yet user/noob friendly.
People like me were / are dismayed when requests-questions for non HTC devices are placed in the hacking forum where you just cannot keep track of the threads.
More and more WM/android based devices are launched now and we should have a separate forum for them.
Maybe we can first demand a few requests for a particular device before starting a dedicated forum so that it would not fizzle out in the long run and the whole site becomes cluttered unneccessarily.
From my experience, the most requested one is: Omnia
I think the droid should make the first entry, its really popular. But thats just my opinion.
hell,whose idea was this...??
you are breaking our firs tenant which says "made by a firm called HTC"
we stood for the idea for a long time and prevented such forums to be crated and now comes some "user experience admin" who works for the "unhappy samsung motorola crowd" selling some controversial ideas
come on people,don't be ridiculous...
GREAT,just great....you could also say hello to iPhone and crappy nokias....which we fought for a long time.......great job traitor
Yes, OMNIA II and why not iPhone?
An i780 forum won't be bad too. This is the best site for i780 even if it's not (yet) officialy supported. There are several roms for it on xda and there's also an android porting for this device.
Maybe a brand forum will be great too. For example a samsung or acer or anythig else forum with some subforums like rom developemente, q&a and general discussions.
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Yes, OMNIA II and why not iPhone?
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Omnia 2 is winmo, this forum is for WINMO + ANDROID ONLY!!! iPhone can go somewhere else for the people who like it
I still want one for my HTC MADE IPAQ, its in the WIKI under HTC Roadster
but hey this is..or at least was htc forum and not winmo and android forum...so...if we are expanding towards samsung,motorola and some others,why don't we go for apple too
think about it
i mean i'm not supporting any of that but....higher force wants to try it out,so if we are opening our gates for non htcs....apple is also nonhtc...so what's the difference
Toshiba TG01
Acer S200
Omnia 1 and 2
If Xda is considering to open new foruns, lets open for new top mobiles that are/were best sellers
Thanks for the feedback thus far, it's helpful. We're indeed going to stick with just Windows Mobile and Android.
But on the other side allowing non htc mobile will mean let in any mobile. So admins, how will you then manage all this?What about server load and all the technical things it will bring along?And also will there be enough staff to monitor the behaviour of each and everyone? This is no simple question. Right now I see xda dev as a small group providing quality support and devs, what will it be then? Many bloggers refer to xda dev website, it is a turning point on the htc platform. Wont allowing other brands in kill this image?
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But on the other side allowing non htc mobile will mean let in any mobile. So admins, how will you then manage all this?What about server load and all the technical things it will bring along?And also will there be enough staff to monitor the behaviour of each and everyone? This is no simple question. Right now I see xda dev as a small group providing quality support and devs, what will it be then? Many bloggers refer to xda dev website, it is a turning point on the htc platform. Wont allowing other brands in kill this image?
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i talked to svetius via pm and this was almost the same thing i said to him
and for the
svetius said:
Thanks for the feedback thus far, it's helpful. We're indeed going to stick with just Windows Mobile and Android.
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what about "brew" platform which comes with new htc smart
maybe the "xda-developers.com" should be changed to "apple-haters.com" because as i see everything except apple is welcome
just to make it clear....i'm absolutely not voting for apple (although i love macs),i'm just giving you something to think about...pointing finger towards the paradox so everybody could see it
yash08 said:
But on the other side allowing non htc mobile will mean let in any mobile. So admins, how will you then manage all this?What about server load and all the technical things it will bring along?And also will there be enough staff to monitor the behaviour of each and everyone? This is no simple question. Right now I see xda dev as a small group providing quality support and devs, what will it be then? Many bloggers refer to xda dev website, it is a turning point on the htc platform. Wont allowing other brands in kill this image?
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As mentioned in my first post earlier today...
We will only add new forums if: 1. We are confident added traffic won't cause site speed to suffer; 2. We can recruit quality moderators; and 3. The content and discussion is of high quality. The only way to know these things for sure is to try it out. So, within the next 14 days we are going to add two or three non-HTC forums. The delay is to ensure the site continues to operate at a reasonable speed and so we can figure out where to put the new forums (the forum homepage is already absurdly long and cluttered). We are open to suggestions as to deserving devices for our first non-HTC forums, so give us your ideas in this thread.
I hope this helps.
I say expand to the iPhone field....wouldn't hurt to add it to the forums....we can say we hate it and that it suxs...whatever. XDA harbors people that want to push their phone's limits. I've been a follower of XDA for a while now, even when I had my iPhone, because the amount of talent in these forums are awesome. I say open the flood gates and bring in iPhone OS to the table. Droid and the new Dell Android would be great as well. My 2 cents
I kind of want to see a forum for the HTC Smart, running that Brew OS and a forum for the Android SE Xperia X10 and WM X2.
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but hey this is..or at least was htc forum and not winmo and android forum
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Official or not, this site has ALWAYS been a winmo forum. Given that HTC's devices mostly ran winmo, that's pretty much unavoidable - unless you think that all discussion/development of software that runs on non-HTC winmo devices should be banned, anyway. And the same goes for Android, now that it comprises ~half of HTC's product lineup - unless you think that half of HTC's current phones should be banned from an 'HTC forum'.
YES to new forums
I've been following XDA-Devs for quite some time now (over a year and a half, to be exact) ever since I gleefully bought my AT&T Tilt, and then was frustrated with it within a week. Prior to that, I have owned & happily modded several PPC's. I lurked on these forums for over a year before joining and asking anything. Almost every question I had was answered by patiently searching. So Junior Member, yes. Noob...not quite.
That being said, I am very heavily leaning towards replacing my battle-scarred Tilt with a Samsung Omnia II instead of a TP2 variant. Lots of pros, very few cons, at least for the things I use my device for the most. One of the BIGGEST cons, however, would be that I would lose the guidance, support, knowledge and hard-earned wisdom of the people that post here by straying from HTC.
And so I hesitate.
I've likely read posts into the multiple thousands here, and despite the device or app, or even OS under discussion, one theme runs through it all:
We love messing with our phones.
Better, stronger, faster, smarter, louder, brighter, more fun ..... ad infinitum.
So, for the sake of that common goal, I say add new forums. Break them down by manufacturer. Even iPhones. All those people that bought one, only to discover the limitations of their expensive "cool" new phone? Let's help those poor saps too, ok?
YES to new forums!!
As all we that know that Nokia source code now 100% open.
can u make a firmware developer forum for nokia where the developers can made changes in nokia firmwares like windows mobiles?
Is it possible that
I can make the forum, I will buy the domain, hosting everything, just suggest me a good domain name and I will take care of the rest
which one u want like xda forum or other?
i think its good and there is not any domain name like this
http://forum.xda-developers.com/nokia
Oh if you want a sub-domain under xda-developers, then there's nothing to buy, the admins will have to look into this.
And although Symbian is opensource now, Nokia firmware development is unlikely to happen, because the Z drive on Nokia devices, which is the ROM, is locked. And I don't think anyone has succeded in unlocking it permanently so far.
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Oh if you want a sub-domain under xda-developers, then there's nothing to buy, the admins will have to look into this.
And although Symbian is opensource now, Nokia firmware development is unlikely to happen, because the Z drive on Nokia devices, which is the ROM, is locked. And I don't think anyone has succeded in unlocking it permanently so far.
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Now z drive of nokia phone like 5800XM which is very good phone is now unlocked by some developers, please visi this forum to see that :-
if this is happen then please make a sub forum Nokia in XDA for developers to cook its own firmwares of Nokia.
http://www.ipmart-forum.com/showthread.php?t=448745
ssheikhpk said:
Now z drive of nokia phone like 5800XM which is very good phone is now unlocked by some developers, please visi this forum to see that :-
if this is happen then please make a sub forum Nokia in XDA for developers to cook its own firmwares of Nokia.
http://www.ipmart-forum.com/showthread.php?t=448745
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Oh thats cool then, the last Symbian I used was N95 8GB, it was hard to do then. Well the admins already said XDA-Developers will only be dedicated to HTC devices, so a Nokia sub-forum is unlikely to happen. But if you can get some developers who are interested in this, then I can make a separate website for it, something like nokia-developers.com or symbian-developers.com
HTC only?
If you scroll down the forum homescreen you'll see other WinMo/Android devices outside of HTC. Maybe the question was asked in the wrong way to the admins. I don't think we're looking to really mod Nokia devices. However, as Nokia begins to release more devices with "Intel" chip-sets the development community may see some shift towards working on Nokia hardware/firmware.
What we currently want is to do is explore and develop the new and open source Symbian ^1 ^2 ^3 ^4 and ^5 into ROM's that load onto our beloved HTC devices.
Compatibility and open-ness are driving the new information economy. Symbian has some pretty darn cool stuff like N-Gage gaming, support to play "Digital Copy" movies, etc...
Imagine being able to just transfer your digital copy movie over to your HD2 or TouchPro 2 because your PC thinks your device is a 5800. Right now you'd have to convert the digital copy through some illegal method.
Apple locks down their devices to prevent us from doing this kind of work. We're a community of open, intelligent and capable minds/people. This community should not be so "Apple" like and prevent open development.
I'm also suggesting, just as there was on the Rhodium page for Android, a bounty issued for Symbian ROM development.
A Nokia forum wouldn't make sense. Nokia only owns a majority of the Symbian platform. What we really want is a Symbian forum on XDA. We want this so that we have a single source of information on an important topic where we know that we truly have experts working on the issues and solutions. XDA could experience major growth by doing this and attracting Symbian developers. Symbian is closely related to WinMo as it is so this wouldn't be a daunting task for developers. C++
To be honest, I don´t think this will happen.
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If you scroll down the forum homescreen you'll see other WinMo/Android devices outside of HTC. Maybe the question was asked in the wrong way to the admins. I don't think we're looking to really mod Nokia devices. However, as Nokia begins to release more devices with "Intel" chip-sets the development community may see some shift towards working on Nokia hardware/firmware.
What we currently want is to do is explore and develop the new and open source Symbian ^1 ^2 ^3 ^4 and ^5 into ROM's that load onto our beloved HTC devices.
Compatibility and open-ness are driving the new information economy. Symbian has some pretty darn cool stuff like N-Gage gaming, support to play "Digital Copy" movies, etc...
Imagine being able to just transfer your digital copy movie over to your HD2 or TouchPro 2 because your PC thinks your device is a 5800. Right now you'd have to convert the digital copy through some illegal method.
Apple locks down their devices to prevent us from doing this kind of work. We're a community of open, intelligent and capable minds/people. This community should not be so "Apple" like and prevent open development.
I'm also suggesting, just as there was on the Rhodium page for Android, a bounty issued for Symbian ROM development.
A Nokia forum wouldn't make sense. Nokia only owns a majority of the Symbian platform. What we really want is a Symbian forum on XDA. We want this so that we have a single source of information on an important topic where we know that we truly have experts working on the issues and solutions. XDA could experience major growth by doing this and attracting Symbian developers. Symbian is closely related to WinMo as it is so this wouldn't be a daunting task for developers. C++
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Well I own the domain symbian-developers.com, I can setup a forum there if you people are interested.
totalperception said:
If you scroll down the forum homescreen you'll see other WinMo/Android devices outside of HTC. Maybe the question was asked in the wrong way to the admins. I don't think we're looking to really mod Nokia devices. However, as Nokia begins to release more devices with "Intel" chip-sets the development community may see some shift towards working on Nokia hardware/firmware.
What we currently want is to do is explore and develop the new and open source Symbian ^1 ^2 ^3 ^4 and ^5 into ROM's that load onto our beloved HTC devices.
Compatibility and open-ness are driving the new information economy. Symbian has some pretty darn cool stuff like N-Gage gaming, support to play "Digital Copy" movies, etc...
Imagine being able to just transfer your digital copy movie over to your HD2 or TouchPro 2 because your PC thinks your device is a 5800. Right now you'd have to convert the digital copy through some illegal method.
Apple locks down their devices to prevent us from doing this kind of work. We're a community of open, intelligent and capable minds/people. This community should not be so "Apple" like and prevent open development.
I'm also suggesting, just as there was on the Rhodium page for Android, a bounty issued for Symbian ROM development.
A Nokia forum wouldn't make sense. Nokia only owns a majority of the Symbian platform. What we really want is a Symbian forum on XDA. We want this so that we have a single source of information on an important topic where we know that we truly have experts working on the issues and solutions. XDA could experience major growth by doing this and attracting Symbian developers. Symbian is closely related to WinMo as it is so this wouldn't be a daunting task for developers. C++
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But i dont think any one would really want a Rhodium page for Symbian,though. I think it would be best if there was a seperate website for Nokia/Symbian developments.
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To be honest, I don´t think this will happen.
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Me too I don't think this will happen, maybe follow The Pro suggestion of openning another domain for this...he is willing to do it...
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Me too I don't think this will happen, maybe follow The Pro suggestion of openning another domain for this...he is willing to do it...
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I'm ready whenever you guys are
I agree new domain would be better. I liked Symbian-developers.com
coz there is many symbians accept nokia.
and by the way NGAGE days is over.. they shut down nGage for good.
now there is only OVI like Market in android
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I agree new domain would be better. I liked Symbian-developers.com
coz there is many symbians accept nokia.
and by the way NGAGE days is over.. they shut down nGage for good.
now there is only OVI like Market in android
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Well I can begin as soon as I get some symbian developers to agree on start posting on the new site.
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Well I can begin as soon as I get some symbian developers to agree on start posting on the new site.
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Good Luck
Please post on the site what phones should be added and what forums should be there
http://symbian-developers.com/
Such a shame there obviously isn't much interest in the newest Nokia phones.
I really think with the N8 and C7 Nokia took a big step forward and I'd love to see them get the recognition they deserve for it.
Unfortunately they might be a year or two too late.
I think, if there was a Symbian Forum on XDA-Developers, it might be way more successful than an external site. So I very much +1 the TO request.
BTW: Does anyone know if apps for the N8 and C7 are interchangable?
Greetings.
PS: Can a software branding be totally removed from the C7 / N8?
I'm not trying to be a WP7 hater when I say this, but shouldn't WP7 be paired with iPhone on the new xda site? I only say this due to their similarities.
This version of xda should probably focus on more open OSs like Android, WinMo~6.5 and webOS.
BTW, could you please remove twitter from the comments area? You might as well just write Echo, echo, echo...... all the way down the page.
The only reason the iPhone section is separate from XDA is that it is a non-hTC and does not run the same OS that other hTC devices do. Hence the Droid has a subforum although it's not by hTC, because many discussions relating to Android on the forum are still relevant to the device. Since the iPhone is the only iOS phone that does not apply.
No, it needs to stay here..
It is windows, if you are going to remove one of them, why are you leaving the others? Makes no sense...
I think WP7 (or better said: the WP7 Devices) should stay right here, where they are. That's just my opinion, but I think that if someone cracked WP7, so that we can have other OS's on it, it'll be pretty "open" too. I hope you understand, what I mean...'Cos WM6.5 itself isn't an open OS, too, is it?
This site started with WM and should stick with WM, No matter what version
Although it would increase the amount of devving over at iPD, It's very little at the moment, although that should change when we release our w.i.p
When the Windows phone version gets released, Does anyone know if it's possible to try a Windows Rom out on are android versions of the HTC One M8 ?
Pff can people please stop making these threads and use the existing windows topic threads !!! It's getting a bit boring now......
See this
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2858241
Anything is possible. I've read the HW specs are the same. The problem may lie in the fact that Windows is not open source and each device it's on needs a license agreement. Not that that will stop anyone but if you get caught you might spend some vacation time at the Grey Bar Motel.
This is why I decided to stay with Android and the open source community. I want to control my device, after all I paid $600 for it I should be able to do what I want. Windows, although pretty closed, is no where near the control Apple has over it's users. I wouldn't touch an Apple product with a 79 1/2 foot long pole.
Thread Closed - This is Android Development subforums. Windows development should be discussed in the Windows development subforum. See Mr. Hofs link above.