Looks like FCC Chairman Julius Genachowski's request for a formal hearing on AT&T's proposed acquisition of T-Mobile may have had a bit of an effect. AT&T has announced that it and Deutsche Telekom have formally withdrawn their application related to the deal's approval that was submitted back in April. Interestingly, AT&T went on to say that because of the FCC's request for a hearing, it's added a $4 billion charge into its Q4 2011 financials to reflect the amount it would owe should the deal fail to be approved. That $4 billion breaks down into $3 billion in cash and $1 billion worth of spectrum.
All of this doesn't necessarily mean that AT&T and Deutsche Telekom are just giving up on the deal, though, as AT&T specifically says that the two companies are continuing pursuit of the sale of DT's assets. AT&T explains that it's withdrawn the FCC application in order to step back and reconsider all of its options with the government agency and will refile the application "as soon as practical." The carrier added that it plans to focus on winning the antitrust case that the U.S. Department of Justice has filed against it, either through the court case that's already pending or through alternate means.
Today's news is some of the biggest that we've seen come out of the AT&T-Mobile deal since it was announced back in March. Obviously the proposed acquisition is still very much on the table, but AT&T and Deutsche Telekom's moves give off the vibe that they're not quite as confident about the merger's approval as they may have once been. It'll be interesting to see how opponents of the acquisition react to today's news (I bet Sprint is having a happy Thanksgiving) and how the deal progresses going forward. As usual, we'll keep you up to date as the story continues to play out, so stay tuned!
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Good news, guys?
If it were over, it would be in the consumer's best interest. But they are withdrawing only their application to the FCC because the FCC has steadfastly resisted the merger (kudos to them). Now, ATT and the FCC get to fight it out in court. Hopefully the DOJ is not swayed by ATT's empty compromises. This deal would create a significant monopoly and stifle innovation while removing options the consumer has today. Remember that Deutsche Telekom is a non-US company and unlike ATT, everything it does, including its radio frequencies, is global.
Yah it's over
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Yah it's over
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Sure hope you are right -
but according to a communication analyst quoted in the New York times there is a low chance that At&T might still be able to pull it off
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/25/t...-mobile-takes-a-step-back.html?pagewanted=all
i actually welcome the idea
if ATT + Tmo merger went through, that will mean the end of the AWS phones
Tmo is the only mass network that attracts phone manufactures to make AWS 1700/2100 phones
the first thing ATT wanted to do is to take down the AWS network to use it for LTE
so hell no, i don't support that
If T-Mobile goes down all those 1700 phones will be gone. Then those of us in Canada who use Mobilicity/Wind will be stuck with crappy phones.
yup
Also, Rogers in Canada is following its Big brother ATT foot steps as well, is trying to kick out Wind, and snatch the 1700/2100 for LTE
once Wind is out of the market, Mobilicity will become easy pray to the, as Mobi doesn't have the funds to hold against fight vs RoBelus team
Wind can take the fight simply because it has multinational backing like Tmobile
So I'm a bit confused...in the quote in the op it mentions att has set aside the money for Tmobile, but does that mean they are paying out?
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i actually welcome the idea
if ATT + Tmo merger went through, that will mean the end of the AWS phones
Tmo is the only mass network that attracts phone manufactures to make AWS 1700/2100 phones
the first thing ATT wanted to do is to take down the AWS network to use it for LTE
so hell no, i don't support that
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That's a good reason for Canadians to oppose the merger, but your neighbors to the south have other good reason to oppose the merger -
higher prices for rate plans
crappier customer service
tendency to cripple their phones unnecessarily
There is some speculation that t-mobile might disappear even if this merger fails (the parent company, T-Mobile International AG, may sell t-mobile for parts) and if that happens I am moving to Sprint.
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So I'm a bit confused...in the quote in the op it mentions att has set aside the money for Tmobile, but does that mean they are paying out?
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ATT still needs to pay aprox 1 Bil even if the merger does not come through as they hoped.
that was on the original proposal, it was all over the news
so either way Tmo comes out on top either way
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That's a good reason for Canadians to oppose the merger, but your neighbors to the south have other good reason to oppose the merger -
higher prices for rate plans
crappier customer service
tendency to cripple their phones unnecessarily
There is some speculation that t-mobile might disappear even if this merger fails (the parent company, T-Mobile International AG, may sell t-mobile for parts) and if that happens I am moving to Sprint.
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we here up north have pretty much the same issues, so we would like to keep as many competitors as possible
before Windmobile and Mobilicity the prices were ridiculous over here
they are still ridiculous on Rogers (ATT), Bell, and other big guys
also the Rogers/Bell customer service it has been the worse for like 20 years straight...
if Wind and Mobi gets shuts-down in the near future, then i think i'll stop using cell phone all together, it's simply not worth it at the insane prices over here
Canada has the worse rate world wide, it's been documented in many research on the news from UK and USA
The merger is not dead but its on life support. Tmobile is looking to get out of the USA market and is willing to wait for AT&T work it through the courts or a Republican wins the presidency. DOJ and FCC are run by poltical appointees.
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Not to mention ATT has no interest in UMA.
This does not mean they are not moving forward. I believe they are going to try and get DOJ approval, then if they do, resubmit. I actually work for T-Mobile, and if it's either merge, or have DT look at other options for use, I kinda hope the merger goes through lol
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I would love to see this merger fail. If T-Mo got all the money from that breakup fee, it's just a matter of wanting to stay in the US because that would give them enough to keep going for awhile. I can already imagine having to upgrade to an AT&T phone with way higher prices and slower 3G speeds...LTE is probably comparable to T-Mo's HSPA+ 42 (Verizon's LTE is virtually identical), then there's data caps..so it would just be all around bad...
Tmo gets 4 Bil for breakup fee, that's super rich
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204449804577068562250634398.html
AT&T has acknowledged that the deal is more likely to fail than succeed and set aside $4 billion to cover the breakup fee it would owe T-Mobile USA owner Deutsche Telekom AG.
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I am glad this failed cuz now it puts tmo in the perfect position to be bought out by Google. The idea is being called the first fully integrated information company/network. Scary on one level because it lends itself ripe for corruption and sensoring but on the other hand it is Google, who has never given me reason to worry. Were it Facebook or yahoo looking to purchase tmo I would be very wary.
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Tmo gets 4 Bil for breakup fee, that's super rich
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204449804577068562250634398.html
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They also suppose to get some spectrum from at&t and a roaming agreement. At&t is going through everything necessary to get the spectrum t-mobile has. Even in talks about selling off 40% of tmobile customers with leap mobile who ever they are.
I think its just a ploy to wait till after the election and then resubmit the application if a republican president gets elected (very likely). Conservatives tend to support mergers such as this as they believe in the free market determining everything, even if its not in the interest of the pubic. Allowing the merger would result in the last affordable post paid carrier being dismantled. We'll all be at the mercy of AT&T and Verizon. Sprint will probably merge too if this goes thorough, I mean why not if you allow this.
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I am glad this failed cuz now it puts tmo in the perfect position to be bought out by Google. The idea is being called the first fully integrated information company/network. Scary on one level because it lends itself ripe for corruption and sensoring but on the other hand it is Google, who has never given me reason to worry. Were it Facebook or yahoo looking to purchase tmo I would be very wary.
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I would love to see google buy tmo. we would probably stay seeing a lot more AOSP phones.
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Ok guys i did a little research and At&t buying T-Mobile is actually a good thing heirs my reasons why.
1.Larger variety of android phones or any ohone for that matter.
2.Yes we get to keep unlimited data plan because they have to take some of T-Mobiles customs to keep customers happy.
3.Almost every one you call will be mobile to mobile so less minutes you have to worry about.
4.Largest 4g network More Towers so better signal.
well those are my reason so hopefully it keeps you guys from going to Verizon or sprint -_-
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Ok guys i did a little research and At&t buying T-Mobile is actually a good thing heirs my reasons why.
1.Larger variety of android phones or any ohone for that matter.
2.Yes we get to keep unlimited data plan because they have to take some of T-Mobiles customs to keep customers happy.
3.Almost every one you call will be mobile to mobile so less minutes you have to worry about.
4.Largest 4g network More Towers so better signal.
well those are my reason so hopefully it keeps you guys from going to Verizon or sprint -_-
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Thats fine and dandy. But what happens when ATT decides to make changes. Add hidden fees, completely eliminate the unlimited data? Sure they will keep some of the features that Tmobile has, but nothing stays the same.
if they do keep the unlimited data, it will be a hell of a lot higher of a price per month then what we pay now.
This merger is bad news and is very very bad.
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Thats fine and dandy. But what happens when ATT decides to make changes. Add hidden fees, completely eliminate the unlimited data? Sure they will keep some of the features that Tmobile has, but nothing stays the same.
if they do keep the unlimited data, it will be a hell of a lot higher of a price per month then what we pay now.
This merger is bad news and is very very bad.
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They better honor our current bill or I will cancel my contract because the reason I went to t-mobile is to leave at&t
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My No contract Even More+ plan will be gone, and I'll have to pay almost double what I do now just to keep my service. They're going to honor current contracts but when they end its GG.
AT&T is going to ruin what made T-Mobile good.
I wouldn't have as much issue with AT&T if they weren't so ridiculous and expensive. They have data caps and their network is SO SLOW with all the iPhone users. Its absolutely ridiculous. I don't wanna be gimped from an awesome carrier just because AT&T can't build their own towers out.
It sucks, for sure.. att customers are the only ones to benefit since they stole our 4G. The plus side is that we won't see any changes for atleast a year..
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The buyout is not a good thing at all. Less competition is never good. T-Mobile was Google's go-to network. The innovate Android phones always went to T-Mobile first.
One of the worst things about this whole deal is that T-Mobile phones will have to be replaced eventually. AT&T will be restructuring the whole network to use it's own 3G/4G frequencies, which T-Mobile phones aren't capable of using. So you'd be stuck on edge. It's supposed to take several years before the switch over is complete, so hopefully by then my G2 will be long outdated, since I just bought it a couple months ago at full price because I'm on a no-contract plan.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110321/ap_on_hi_te/us_at_t_t_mobile_usa_phones
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Ok guys i did a little research and At&t buying T-Mobile is actually a good thing heirs my reasons why.
1.Larger variety of android phones or any ohone for that matter.
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How you figure? A phone is a phone, and nobody has EVER (except CDMA) forced you to buy your phone from your carrier.
2.Yes we get to keep unlimited data plan because they have to take some of T-Mobiles customs to keep customers happy.
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Ah, NO. The reason is that since tmobile will no longer exist, they won't lose any customers by raising prices since there is no longer any competition to run to. No, CDMA carriers are not competition.
3.Almost every one you call will be mobile to mobile so less minutes you have to worry about.
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How does that affect anything? You're still using your phone, there's no competition, so they can charge you whatever they want.
4.Largest 4g network More Towers so better signal.
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That depends on what they intend to do with things. Maybe they'll transfer all of tmobile's customers over to att towers and use tmobile towers to implement LTE. If that happens, you aren't going to have any better coverage.
If history has taught us a lesson... Look at the case of Cingular being bought up by AT&T. Cingular was all about a huge variety of phones, great plans, and awesome reps (in store and on the support line) that made them great. When AT&T had swallowed them up, the integration took about 1-2 years where they were called "Cingular by AT&T" while keeping some of their nuances and then post integration they became AT&T with all the bad that AT&T brings.
To the original poster saying that there could be more Android devices from this deal... There is also no guarantee to that, because if he has forgotten... AT&T was the LAST provider to adopt Android phones and only did so because their iPhone honeymoon exclusive was over. Even then, if they do offer more Android devices... They could lock them down forcing users to side-load apps as see with Android phones like the Xperia X10 or Samsung Captivate. Also, they could end up capping future 4G devices as seen with the HTC Inspire.
As another poster in this thread said... LESS competition is BAD for the consumer and MORE competition is BETTER for the consumer.
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Ok guys i did a little research and At&t buying T-Mobile is actually a good thing heirs my reasons why.
1.Larger variety of android phones or any ohone for that matter.
2.Yes we get to keep unlimited data plan because they have to take some of T-Mobiles customs to keep customers happy.
3.Almost every one you call will be mobile to mobile so less minutes you have to worry about.
4.Largest 4g network More Towers so better signal.
well those are my reason so hopefully it keeps you guys from going to Verizon or sprint -_-
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it's truly saddening to me that the majority of people here are more concerned with cell towers and glorified walkie talkies than the underlying economic and (yes, I'm going there) societal impact of an acquisition of this magnitude.
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The buyout is not a good thing at all. Less competition is never good. T-Mobile was Google's go-to network. The innovate Android phones always went to T-Mobile first.
One of the worst things about this whole deal is that T-Mobile phones will have to be replaced eventually. AT&T will be restructuring the whole network to use it's own 3G/4G frequencies, which T-Mobile phones aren't capable of using. So you'd be stuck on edge. It's supposed to take several years before the switch over is complete, so hopefully by then my G2 will be long outdated, since I just bought it a couple months ago at full price because I'm on a no-contract plan.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110321/ap_on_hi_te/us_at_t_t_mobile_usa_phones
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I went into my local T-Mobile store and asked several questions about our phones working on At&t network and was told that At&t and T-Mobile are in the works of offering a universal sim card that will allow our phones (At&t/T-Mobile) to work on each others network. We'll see!
I'm a current AT&T customer and I can't say I disagree with much of the discussion here.
It's impossible to say how things will change a few years down the road, but one thing is definitely true:
Less Competition is NEVER good for the consumer. In the end we (ATT and T-Mobile customers) WILL pay more for service.
Let's see if the feds do their job and shoot down this acquisition...
1.Immediaely, yes. Long run, no.
2.Why do they have to make them happy? What alternative will we have? Verizon will be the only other somewhat decent option, and their incredibly overpriced and don't use GSM so we'd have to buy a new phone.
3. True, our 'family' will be growing, causing us to possibly use less minutes.... I don't use the amount given in the smallest family plan though.
4. Actual 4g network rather than fake 4g network is good, more towers are good, etc.... good point.
Things not concidered:
1. monopoly on GSM (monopolies are generally not good)
2. prices will eventually go up. you'll be grandfathered but things change, especially if you have no real competition.
3. at&t diferentiates tethering (this is where you will probably lose your grandfathered unlimited data).
4. economy hinderance: loss of jobs, no longer an 'affordable' choice for cell service, less providers means less money for phone anufactorers (minimal impact there for people).
5. Good bye, customer service....
I don't see how they are going to raise the prices of unlimited plan if you already have one...hence everyone that had an unlimited data plan with att before they changed pricing was grandfathered with no price change. I'm not happy about att buying tmo but the one thing I'm sure of is if you already have the plan they won't change it. When you want to change your cell plan is when you will lose it
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Our contracts with this whole thing
I could be wrong, and I only skim the contracts, but haven't t-mobile customers signed contracts to be on T-mobile? If ATT absorbs their customer base and T-mobile no longer exists, do our contracts still remain?
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I could be wrong, and I only skim the contracts, but haven't t-mobile customers signed contracts to be on T-mobile? If ATT absorbs their customer base and T-mobile no longer exists, do our contracts still remain?
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the T-Mobile website merger Q&A states that they will keep everyone's contracted price. But I'm sure as soon as your contract ends, you're gonna be forced.
And I'm sure that once they required you to switch to an AT&T phone from a T-mobile phone because of the frequency switch, they'll make you end your contract and sign a new AT&T one anyways, so there goes that.
Years ago I worked for Verizon. On most days I would come across people that had been merged into Verizon from some other company. I remember one case where a customer had an unlimited voice plan for something like $30 a month. Now this was back before any one had an unlimited voice plan. When I looked into it the customer had been merged in about 2 or more years before and never been on a contract. Now from what I remember a company can not change your plan unless you consent. About the only way they can get you is if you do something like sign a new contract. Now they will try to trick you into changing from the grandfathered plan. So they can not kill or change our unlimited data plans.
I was with Cingular when they were bought out. I kept my Cingular contract right up until they came out with the Iphone and i was out of contract the whole time.
Now it will be interesting to see what becomes of Tmobile's prepay contract service.
AT&T buying out T-Mobile is BAD. Remember, it hasn't happened yet, and there's no way the DOJ will approve it anyway.
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http://newsroom.sprint.com/article_display.cfm?article_id=2420
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-500395_162-57532184/softbank-reaches-$20b-deal-to-buy-sprint-nextel/
http://www.sfgate.com/business/bloo...Bets-on-Sprint-as-Softbank-Shares-3948748.php
CBS (emphasis mine):
Softbank Corp. has reached a deal to buy 70 percent of U.S. mobile carrier Sprint Nextel Corp. for $20.1 billion in the largest-ever foreign acquisition by a Japanese company.
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Sprint Announcement:
After closing, Sprint’s headquarters will continue to be in Overland Park, Kansas. New Sprint will have a 10-member board of directors, including at least three members of Sprint’s board of directors. Mr. Hesse will continue as CEO of New Sprint and as a board member.
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This will have an impact on how Sprint is run as soon as the deal closes and quite possibly before then as Hesse will start taking steps towards the close. For those of us on Sprint, this is a big deal and why I posted it for discussion before.
how is this a bombshell? just curious? it will help sprint expand there lte footprint
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They need to do something. Period. Obviously, when your revenue goes in to trying to secure a NASCAR contract instead of putting it into the network, something is wrong. Maybe this will be the start of something good. Just my 2¢.
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how is this a bombshell? just curious? it will help sprint expand there lte footprint
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The third largest carrier being bought (66% and a controlling stake from what I have read) by a foreign investor, much less Japan's 3rd largest carrier is a bombshell. Think when Vodafone got a significant stake in Verizon.
And yes, this is actually good news for Sprint. Don't know what that means from my MVNO - KDDI is a competitor of Softbank in Japan.
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They need to do something. Period. Obviously, when your revenue goes in to trying to secure a NASCAR contract instead of putting it into the network, something is wrong. Maybe this will be the start of something good. Just my 2¢.
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Possibly the best thing that could happen is a shakeup of the board and Hesse either put on warning or replaced as CEO. Sprint can be profitable again but it will take many years to do so. Softbank has always had a tough fight in Japan and yet they're still around.
All in all I don't see this as a bad deal.
as long as i can still have my SERO acct i'll stay with them. if i lose it, then i'll have to drop them. i locked - so far - on unlimited data on verizon. sprint's coverage has been getting progressively worse around my area which is mostly rural.
With Google's investment in lg for there next nexus device and the specs on the lg optimus g coming to sprint I don't think I will be able to resist. So for me it's lg or bust
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cas8180 said:
With Google's investment in lg for there next nexus device and the specs on the lg optimus g coming to sprint I don't think I will be able to resist. So for me it's lg or bust
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I refuse to believe LG is making a nexus device, especially considering all these leaked images have "with Google" printed on the back and not just "Google"
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I refuse to believe LG is making a nexus device, especially considering all these leaked images have "with Google" printed on the back and not just "Google"
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OK you can live in denial ; )
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was I right when I read it only will come with 8 and 16gb internal storage, no SD?! If that's true(and not just an early spec rumor that changes with the wind) that's a total deal breaker for me.
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Since when was this the talk about the next nexus thread?
Back to the subject at hand... I think at this point Sprint could use all the help they can get. Network Vision is taking too long to be rolled out.
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as long as i can still have my SERO acct i'll stay with them. if i lose it, then i'll have to drop them. i locked - so far - on unlimited data on verizon. sprint's coverage has been getting progressively worse around my area which is mostly rural.
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my thoughts exactly
not sure how I feel about my telecommunications being owned by a foreign entity though
Amd4life said:
my thoughts exactly
not sure how I feel about my telecommunications being owned by a foreign entity though
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You'd be surprised how much foreign investment is done to our telecom companies... but I think this is the biggest stake that I can recall. We'll see how it goes, I'm willing to wait for now and see what happens.
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You'd be surprised how much foreign investment is done to our telecom companies... but I think this is the biggest stake that I can recall. We'll see how it goes, I'm willing to wait for now and see what happens.
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The current telecom industry is stagnated. ATT and VZ are satisfied with the status quo because all they're doing is raking in the money for its American and Foreign investors. They do not care about anything as long as the money keeps flowing and they will do the bare minimum to maintain or increase the money flow.
There's a huge thread on s4gru already discussing this but I'll repeat what I said there, here.
http://s4gru.com/index.php?/topic/2296-japans-softbank-in-talks-for-128-bln-sprint-stake/
The investment by an aggressive and well led asian corporation such as SoftBank can only be seen as a good thing. There is a huge difference in mentality between us "Americans" and westerners vs those in Asia.
Whereas most American / Western investors demand and want their investments to be maximized in the least amount of time, Asian corporations tend to look at what they can sacrifice now for the benefit of tomorrow.
SoftBank is a telecom corporation that went from 700K subscribers to over 2.7 million in a year by aggressively undercutting the other telecoms. They see how stagnated America telecoms are and they see it as a perfect opportunity to shake things up.They're investing in sprint via buying 75% (?) of Sprints stock because they see the future of american telecoms and see that out of them, Sprint is the one that has an actual plan for success. A plan that is painful for many of us temporarily but will ensure that Sprints network will be one of the better ones - if not the best for the future.
They agree with what Dan hesse has been doing and want to be part of it. They're looking at the future and not the present as most of us are and THAT is why Asian corporations have been able to undercut and outdo American and western corporations. They look 2 steps ahead of us. Whereas we look at the next quarters, the next year. They look at the next year, 5 years, 10 years.
This can only be a good thing for us.
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The current telecom industry is stagnated. ATT and VZ are satisfied with the status quo because all they're doing is raking in the money for its American and Foreign investors. They do not care about anything as long as the money keeps flowing and they will do the bare minimum to maintain or increase the money flow.
There's a huge thread on s4gru already discussing this but I'll repeat what I said there, here.
http://s4gru.com/index.php?/topic/2296-japans-softbank-in-talks-for-128-bln-sprint-stake/
The investment by an aggressive and well led asian corporation such as SoftBank can only be seen as a good thing. There is a huge difference in mentality between us "Americans" and westerners vs those in Asia.
Whereas most American / Western investors demand and want their investments to be maximized in the least amount of time, Asian corporations tend to look at what they can sacrifice now for the benefit of tomorrow.
SoftBank is a telecom corporation that went from 700K subscribers to over 2.7 million in a year by aggressively undercutting the other telecoms. They see how stagnated America telecoms are and they see it as a perfect opportunity to shake things up.They're investing in sprint via buying 75% (?) of Sprints stock because they see the future of american telecoms and see that out of them, Sprint is the one that has an actual plan for success. A plan that is painful for many of us temporarily but will ensure that Sprints network will be one of the better ones - if not the best for the future.
They agree with what Dan hesse has been doing and want to be part of it. They're looking at the future and not the present as most of us are and THAT is why Asian corporations have been able to undercut and outdo American and western corporations. They look 2 steps ahead of us. Whereas we look at the next quarters, the next year. They look at the next year, 5 years, 10 years.
This can only be a good thing for us.
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Thanks for the S4GRU link. Will head over there sometime to read up - I often use that as my go-to source for NV.
Not an in depth article but mirrors the sentiment that it's good news. 19%, while modest to some, is a good sign.
http://money.cnn.com/2012/10/11/technology/mobile/sprint-softbank/index.html
I don't see this as much of a bombshell or big deal. It's how corporations run.
Off/on topic. Lil lady works for sprint and there is zero talk about this at her work. You'd think with 500 plus people, contractors included, they would be asking questions around the "water cooler".
But nothing.
I've been in "purchases". From Southwestern Bell to SBC to Att. Just nothing is odd to me.
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I doubt the worker ants have any clue what's going on.
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I doubt the worker ants have any clue what's going on.
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You'd think if it was making headlines in the tech field, people would be talking.
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This can only mean great things. Better coverage, handsets and plans.
Your Thoughts?
http://news.cnet.com/8301-13578_3-57573867-38/feds-approve-t-mobile-merger-with-metropcs/
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This can only mean great things. Better coverage, handsets and plans.
Your Thoughts?
http://news.cnet.com/8301-13578_3-57573867-38/feds-approve-t-mobile-merger-with-metropcs/
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Time will tell but less competition in the wireless industry has had the opposite effect in the industry in the past so I'm skeptical.
I'm curious to see how many people get laid off as well. :/
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Time will tell but less competition in the wireless industry has had the opposite effect in the industry in the past so I'm skeptical.
I'm curious to see how many people get laid off as well. :/
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They already did layoffs preemptively... That way they couldn't be forced as part of the deal to keep the same workforce as premerger.
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Anything merging with tmobile sounds like trouble. Not too long ago the parent company wanted to leave the business and sell to At&t leaving their customers wondering what was next.
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1SiK1500 said:
This can only mean great things. Better coverage, handsets and plans.
Your Thoughts?
http://news.cnet.com/8301-13578_3-57573867-38/feds-approve-t-mobile-merger-with-metropcs/
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I have been with VoiceStream, now TMobile since 1998. At least every couple years I seriously look to see if another company would better service my needs. So far Tmobile has won my business, although I have not always been a happy camper.
This Galaxy S3 is my 4th smartphone and the first one where those around me are not hearing my tirade "I hate this f*&%$* phone".
Very pleased with the S3. Using Liquid Smooth 2.1 RC2. Sometmes with stock kernel, sometimes with KT747 or LeanKernel.
GeneLM said:
I have been with VoiceStream, now TMobile since 1998. At least every couple years I seriously look to see if another company would better service my needs. So far Tmobile has won my business, although I have not always been a happy camper.
This Galaxy S3 is my 4th smartphone and the first one where those around me are not hearing my tirade "I hate this f*&%$* phone".
Very pleased with the S3. Using Liquid Smooth 2.1 RC2. Sometmes with stock kernel, sometimes with KT747 or LeanKernel.
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As soon as my ATT contract expired with an iPhone 4, I moved to T-Mobile with a Samsung Galaxy S3. For the family plan pricing, the better "unlimited dataplan", etc. I've been very pleased.
At this point in time, I do not miss ATT nor the iPhone 4.
EtherealRemnant said:
Time will tell but less competition in the wireless industry has had the opposite effect in the industry in the past so I'm skeptical.
I'm curious to see how many people get laid off as well. :/
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My understanding is that MetroPCS is a "regional" carrier and not part of the top 4 "nation wide" carriers. FCC didn't see this as a limitation of competition as all the major choices remain. In the Washington state area, I've watched regional carriers disappear, or leave the cellular service and stick to land line/internet services only.
No matter the reason, it's unfortunate when anyone is laid off, but that is a factor of change as well. Look at the bureau of labor statistics report in 2012 that shows that the average person born (1957-1964) held 11.3 jobs. http://www.bls.gov/news.release/pdf/nlsoy.pdf
The reality of graduating from High School and then going into a trade and expecting a single job for the rest of your life, even with labor union help, is just bordering on fantasy. I expect this will increase with the new generation of workers starting into the workforce in 1990 up.
MetroPCS is a regional carrier like Cricket but they have a considerable amount of spectrum licenses which really is the problem. With such finite amounts of spectrum available (or even suitable) for wireless usage, the carriers with the spectrum are the carriers that dominate.
That's why its really no surprise that Verizon has such a stranglehold on LTE right now. With their purchase of the entire 700MHz upper C block, they can roll out their towers much faster than anyone else because they don't have to worry about their service extending into areas they don't hold a license in, something the other carriers have to be wary of when they are doing network planning and one of the biggest oversights in FCC history in my opinion. Everyone else has to have cookie cutter networks while Verizon can deploy a contiguous network anywhere in the US that they feel like it.
I wonder what would happen to MetroPCS users. My mom have Metro and she's been thinking about getting a s3. Heal I wanted to buy it for her. But after this I wonder if I should wait or just get her to sign up for another carrier.
http://www.androidcentral.com/sprint-securing-50-billion-funding-2-banks-t-mobile-purchase
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So they spend $50 billion to buy T-Mobile, then what money are they gonna have to do anything after that? Capitalism at its finest
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Softbank has DEEP pockets. They're just using the AMERICAN name of Sprint for the transaction. Softbank wants them to expand their US market and become the #2 carrier in the WORLD.
I hope this doesn't happen. T Mobile could lose some of its cool services, should the new company decide to phase them out.
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An article I read not too long ago says the talks are only for buying baseband frequencies off of t-mobile. Basically, I think sprint thinks it will be cheaper to buy already implemented 4g instead of doing it themselves. That is one of the reasons I left sprint. Promised me 4g 3 years ago, and still nothing around here.
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50 billion is a whole lot of money!!!
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Good Point here from the article -- Even if it were to secure the huge funding to buy T-Mobile, we have to think such consolidation in the wireless industry would be viewed as detrimental to consumer choice by the FCC and SEC alike. --
Hopefully if it happens they offer some incentives to keep current customers who originally left from Sprint to go to Tmobile in the first place, like myself. If not, its just going to be the same thing as has been going on for years, lots of people havent been to happy with Sprint for awhile now, i mean they arent horrible but TMOBILE for me has been 10x better and ive still got a year left on my contract, so idk. Thanks for the update OP
I used to be with Tmobile years ago before I switched to Sprint. It was one of the worst decisions I have ever made. I live in Orlando Florida and their 3G network here is absolutey horrible. Some places it works fine, others it takes 10 minutes to load a simple text only news article. The 4GLTE network is growing but it's spotty and definitely does not penetrate buildings well at all. I've had so many calls with their tech support and have heard countless lies and excuses. I pretty much have just been giving Sprint free money for the past couple years. They don't care. So I took advantage of the ETF program Tmobile has and went back. Now my phone actually works!! I have even convinced 6 other people to do the same and they are all happy with the savings and improved network. It seems that Sprint knows it may be passed up my Tmobile soon and instead of improving their service, they will just buy up their competition. I'm pretty sure it won't go through, at least I pray it won't.
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Sprint can "secure" all the funding in the world, but there's almost no chance in hell this anti-competitive merger will be allowed to happen.
I hope this does not happen. In Florida..Sprint ....well....sucks!
And look what happened to Nextel when Sprint bought them.....:thumbdown:
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Sprint can "secure" all the funding in the world, but there's almost no chance in hell this anti-competitive merger will be allowed to happen.
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That's what folks said about the American<>US Airways merger. There are now three network airlines in the U.S. Three wireless providers (VZW, AT&T, T-Mobile<>Sprint) of similar scale will do more for competition in the long run than two massive carriers and two without the resources to continue to invest to remain competitive. Capital investment is a percentage of GOP and neither Sprint or T-Mobile is generating enough profit because of their scale to every compete over the long haul with VZW and AT&T.
As much as I despise Sprint, this makes more sense than the possibly ATT monopoly that could have happened.
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I used to be with Tmobile years ago before I switched to Sprint. It was one of the worst decisions I have ever made. I live in Orlando Florida and their 3G network here is absolutey horrible. Some places it works fine, others it takes 10 minutes to load a simple text only news article. The 4GLTE network is growing but it's spotty and definitely does not penetrate buildings well at all. I've had so many calls with their tech support and have heard countless lies and excuses. I pretty much have just been giving Sprint free money for the past couple years. They don't care. So I took advantage of the ETF program Tmobile has and went back. Now my phone actually works!! I have even convinced 6 other people to do the same and they are all happy with the savings and improved network. It seems that Sprint knows it may be passed up my Tmobile soon and instead of improving their service, they will just buy up their competition. I'm pretty sure it won't go through, at least I pray it won't.
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I live Orlando to and you're absolutely right Sprint service suck. I took the Tmobile offer and jumped and I was completely surprised with the speed I was getting and how far behind Sprint really is.
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T-Mobile really can't catch a break can they? They are finally doing well and Sprint is so threatened. I just don't understand why the weaker struggling carrier is wanting to buy T-Mobile. If any of the T-Mobile executives support this or go through with this, I wish T-Mobile to go under. If T-Mobile stays far away from Sprint, then they will continue to be successful.
If a deal does go through, we can only hope its fails so T-Mobile again gets a nice break up fee.
If it happens it happens. We can only hope they take the good things from each company and mesh them into one.
I do find it odd however that sprint has announced wifi calling as of late. I also left sprint for t mobile. I am impressed big time in the difference, and absolutely love the Wi-Fi calling feature.
However, if the 2 merge, you need to remember that frequencies will be doubled in coverage, not cut back.
Positives and negatives, but myself, I am just hoping T-Mobile gets the bands they want from Verizon, and get bigger and better.
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Sprint To Replace CEO, Drop Bid For T-Mobile.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/08/06/us-sprint-corp-tmobile-idUSKBN0G52JV20140806
http://techcrunch.com/2014/08/05/sp...d-for-t-mobile-amid-tough-regulatory-climate/
What are your thoughts? Personally, I liked the thought of them merging and John Legere being in charge of the newly merged operation.
It would have given T-Mobile access to more spectrum in cities where it could use it. They say 3 companies would have made for LESS competition, but
I think a larger company lead by John would have given ATT and Verizon a real competition.
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A new rumor is that Iliad (french cell phone carrier) is in talks with other companies to make a joint bid/consortium to buy T-mobile after their intial offer was rejected.
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/exclusive-iliad-talks-investors-improve-185833581.html
EDIT: Completely misread article. Nevermind.
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Sprint To Replace CEO, Drop Bid For T-Mobile.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/08/06/us-sprint-corp-tmobile-idUSKBN0G52JV20140806
http://techcrunch.com/2014/08/05/sp...d-for-t-mobile-amid-tough-regulatory-climate/
What are your thoughts? Personally, I liked the thought of them merging and John Legere being in charge of the newly merged operation.
It would have given T-Mobile access to more spectrum in cities where it could use it. They say 3 companies would have made for LESS competition, but
I think a larger company lead by John would have given ATT and Verizon a real competition.
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I think John and TMO's recent performance is making the prospect of 'needing' a merger less and less convincing. Mergers are a tool to cover a company's failings, by acquiring talent or services (or in our case tools/spectrum) and are rarely in a consumer's best interest. Value and pro-consumer policies foster brand loyalty faster than voracious growth of conglomerates lining investor pockets. You'll find me at the leader of value and service, which has been TMobile for some years now, imho..and I believe it all started with Andy Rubin's Danger, Inc partnering with TMobile for Android's predecessor-Sidekick. Imagine if that partnership had gone to Sprint or ATT..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danger_(company)
Thank God. I was fully prepared to jump ship if the merger went through. My previous experiences with Sprint are worse than all the crap you hear about with Comcast (which I also dropped 2 years ago). I wasn't about to put myself in a position to possibly deal with it again.
I'm gonna go ahead and speculate that Sprint had some ridiculous demands that T-Mobile just wasn't willing to bend over and take. Good on John Legere and T-Mobile for sticking to their guns and not giving in. Since I know I am not alone, I can say that the fail of the merger has allowed you to retain a lot of current happy customers.
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Thank God. I was fully prepared to jump ship if the merger went through. My previous experiences with Sprint are worse than all the crap you hear about with Comcast (which I also dropped 2 years ago). I wasn't about to put myself in a position to possibly deal with it again.
I'm gonna go ahead and speculate that Sprint had some ridiculous demands that T-Mobile just wasn't willing to bend over and take. Good on John Legere and T-Mobile for sticking to their guns and not giving in. Since I know I am not alone, I can say that the fail of the merger has allowed you to retain a lot of current happy customers.
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The conspiracy theorist in me think Iliads's announcement was a strong signal that highlighted the possibility (or certainty) that a merger decreasing the total number of players was not going to fly. Softbank came to their senses before losing a ton of money, unlike AT&T. The fling was sweet, but the romance incomplete..Iliad was the other woman.
T-Mobile has been gaining massive subscribers over the last 18 months and seeing record profits every quarter. They will soon be rolling out 700 Mhz spectrum little by little. As long as they keep gaining subscribers, and the network can handle it, means future upgrades. A merger wouldn't really be needed at this point in time. Things are good for our Uncarrier.
I kinda think the Uncarrier stuff was done to entice buyers by showing a gain in subscribers.
Hopefully with Dan Hesse out Sprint customers will finally get "the Network of your dreams" lol