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My Idea for a Change to the Start Screen

I've been thinking about the start screen and how many of us thing there is a lot of wasted space on it because of the long black area on the side that is supposed to indicate that there is something there (the apps).
Honestly I think this start screen looks out of place compared to the rest of the phone. But I've though of a way to make it look like it's part of the rest. Why not instead of having the arrow on the side and all that wasted space but one of those pan bars at the top (like in messages that say Unread->all->flagged->Etc) and have it say Tiles->Apps. I think that would bring just a bit of the Metro UI into it and no long black area of wasted space.
Just an idea what do you guys think?

Totally agree!

That space is saved for a version 2 feature that is going to blow all of our minds
Leave it alone for now.

Yes, the mighty phone wallpaper in v2

If they do the wallpaper thing the should just add alpha filter to the boxes to make then semi-tranparent.

[Concept] Windows Phone 7 Chrome HD

Featured On:
http://pocketnow.com/windows-phone/another-sleek-windows-phone-7-prototype
http://www.1800pocketpc.com/2010/08/12/windows-phone-7-by-paperclips-fan-made-concept.html
http://www.techit.in/windows-phone-7-chrome-edition-concept/
Windows Phone 7 is shaping up to be my future platform for development but that doesn't mean I think it's perfect. Many people believe that METRO UI is too flat and while I disagree, it would be nice to have some more variety out there. With this concept, I shaped a more Chrome version of METRO UI featuring gradients, shadows, etc. This is a concept only as I have not contacted, nor heard from any manufacturers. If I decide to contact anyone, most likely ASUS, LG, or Toshiba, I will let everyone know. Name for this concept is Chrome HD for its HD resolution, camera, and HDMI output. Black version update coming later today.
Chrome HD by PAP3RCLIPS, on Flickr
Black Version (30 Second alteration.)
Black WP7 by PAP3RCLIPS, on Flickr
FAQ:
Q: What is the frame made out of?
A: Most of the phone would be made out of brushed metal.
Q: What is that blue shining light?
A: That is a notification light.
Q: What is that metal strap on the back of the phone?
A: A Kickstand
Q: What is the black hole on the back of the device?
A: Another microphone for noise cancellation.
Q: What are the holes on the bottom of the device?
A: HDMI and mini USB.
Q: What is the button near the bottom on the right side of the device?
A: That is a camera button.
Q: What was your inspiration for this concept?
A: A combination of the new Asus Windows Phone, the Nexus One, Zune HD, and the iPhone 4. Camera is based on some found in the Nokia N series.
Q: Are those physical and capacitive buttons?
A: No, the glyphs are there for indications of what each button above it does. Styling was based off of Zune HD and Xperia X10's buttons.
Q: What's with the unnecessarily high resolution?
A: It's pretty much just to match the iPhone Retina display. I was under the impression that you could go beyond the minimum hardware requirements with anything.
Q: Where is the power button?
A: On the left side above the volume buttons.

Thanks for this!
It looks really nice

Done quite well.
I like that your changes are more subtle than the other design we have seen here.

Somptuous!
Finally someone who understand WP7 philosophy!
Excellent work paperclips, your device is really somptuous.

This looks like an iPhone-esque clone with WP7 on it to me... meh.

paperclips said:
Kind of got inspired with the Sense 3 render to do my own. This is actually my first try at a phone render since I'm mostly just a designer for web and advertisements but I think it came out pretty decent. This is not only a hardware concept, but a WP7 OS redesign. Check out the "would be" specs under the original concept.
Windows Phone by PAP3RCLIPS, on Flickr
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Black WP7 by PAP3RCLIPS, on Flickr
FAQ:
Q: What is the frame made out of?
A: Most of the phone would be made out of brushed metal.
Q: What is that blue shining light?
A: That is a notification light.
Q: What is that metal strap on the back of the phone?
A: A Kickstand
Q: What is the black hole on the back of the device?
A: Another microphone for noise cancellation.
Q: What are the holes on the bottom of the device?
A: HDMI and mini USB.
Q: What is the button near the bottom on the right side of the device?
A: That is a camera button.
Q: What was your inspiration for this concept?
A: A combination of the new Asus Windows Phone, the Nexus One, Zune HD, and the iPhone 4. Camera is based on some found in the Nokia N series.
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Okay I know its a concept and such, however I would like to critique your work if i may not too many points but just a few observations I saw whilst looking at the design.
1) You used capacitive buttons (not a problem most, lots of phones have them however you will also find most people prefer real buttons as opposed to the capacitive type. (though you did leave a bezel /dead point where it would be harder to accidently touch the capacitive buttons)
2) The screen on the device is edge to edge, though this looks fantastic you will find it is very hard to a) implement this in real life; screens needs a small 'perimeter', b) as the phone is small and sleek most peoples 'man hands' would dwarf the phone (not a problem) but becomes a problem when your holding the phone and also activating elements on the capacitive touch screen with your abductor pollicis bravis muscle, hence why on most phone you will see normally a 1mm perimeter around the phone screen.
3) for the same reason the camera button needs to be a few mm higher too, if you grip it tightly you will also be activating the camera, remember this is a WP7, where the camera can be activated even in standby.
4) I dont understand the reason why you have taken the speaker so high up on the bezel, in your design your have the screen, then your have a small space where the LED is and then you have the bezel, other than a space constraint why would you take the speaker so high up? it should be in line with the LED.
5) the volume buttons also i believe are a bit small, think how small your phone is and then compare this to your buttons; they are minuscule and need to be larger. Last thing you want to be doing whilst on a call is looking for buttons for volume control
Anyways there are a few more gripes but otherwise its a fantastic design and cant imagine the effort it must have took to produce it, well done!

irdawood said:
cant imagine the effort it must have took to produce it, well done!
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Which brings me to the question that bugs me: why do people do these things?

Thanks for your advice, I'll try to answer theses qualms for the most part and implement them while I'm at home.
1. Yah, I thought about that. I'm still thinking of what kind of buttons would look nice enough to not ruin the design.
2. This was purely for aesthetics as you noticed. I'll add a strip of metal to the side when I'm home later.
3. Will work on this.
4. Speaker alignment is something I got off my Droid incredible. I might change up the margins a bit later.
5. True, this will be an easy fix when I get home.
I'll include a few more minor updates on the concept later today. Thanks for the advice.
irdawood said:
Okay I know its a concept and such, however I would like to critique your work if i may not too many points but just a few observations I saw whilst looking at the design.
1) You used capacitive buttons (not a problem most, lots of phones have them however you will also find most people prefer real buttons as opposed to the capacitive type. (though you did leave a bezel /dead point where it would be harder to accidently touch the capacitive buttons)
2) The screen on the device is edge to edge, though this looks fantastic you will find it is very hard to a) implement this in real life; screens needs a small 'perimeter', b) as the phone is small and sleek most peoples 'man hands' would dwarf the phone (not a problem) but becomes a problem when your holding the phone and also activating elements on the capacitive touch screen with your abductor pollicis bravis muscle, hence why on most phone you will see normally a 1mm perimeter around the phone screen.
3) for the same reason the camera button needs to be a few mm higher too, if you grip it tightly you will also be activating the camera, remember this is a WP7, where the camera can be activated even in standby.
4) I dont understand the reason why you have taken the speaker so high up on the bezel, in your design your have the screen, then your have a small space where the LED is and then you have the bezel, other than a space constraint why would you take the speaker so high up? it should be in line with the LED.
5) the volume buttons also i believe are a bit small, think how small your phone is and then compare this to your buttons; they are minuscule and need to be larger. Last thing you want to be doing whilst on a call is looking for buttons for volume control
Anyways there are a few more gripes but otherwise its a fantastic design and cant imagine the effort it must have took to produce it, well done!
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Really? I thought of all my inspirations, that was the one it looked the least like.
Iridox said:
This looks like an iPhone-esque clone with WP7 on it to me... meh.
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I do it for the same reason I do most of my art. Which is to get my ideas down on paper/computer. I always wanted to design hardware and thought I might as well give it a shot while I'm off.
vangrieg said:
Which brings me to the question that bugs me: why do people do these things?
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Updated with physical buttons, smaller top, bigger volume buttons, repositioned camera button, new flash image, and increased the width.

Looks sexy, I would buy it
I didn't see the first one but I'm sure it looked almost as nice.

nicc51591 said:
Looks sexy, I would buy it
I didn't see the first one but I'm sure it looked almost as nice.
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Here's a link if you want to see it: http://pap3rclips.deviantart.com/#/d2w11za

paperclips said:
Title changed. This is named Chrome because Metro UI is supposed to be "chromeless", whereas this isn't.
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I don't see a major difference in this area. As far as I understand, "chromeless" is when you don't try to present controls as entities separate from the rest of the content. An ultimate example of this would be a hyperlink on a web page, where a control element is only slightly different from the surrounding text (different color, underlining), as opposed to a button, which may be drawn to imitate a real physical button, which would be chrome.
WP7 isn't all chromeless, by the way, and it would really be useful, I think, if somebody tried to create some controls such as buttons, which would fit the design paradigm of WP7 in not trying to be pseudo-real, but be better than just a 3px border around text with variable width...
Overall, I don't see how your design contradicts Metro principles at all. They don't use gradients, true, but these don't create chrome and quite fit into the "authentically digital" doctrine.

vangrieg said:
I don't see a major difference in this area. As far as I understand, "chromeless" is when you don't try to present controls as entities separate from the rest of the content. An ultimate example of this would be a hyperlink on a web page, where a control element is only slightly different from the surrounding text (different color, underlining), as opposed to a button, which may be drawn to imitate a real physical button, which would be chrome.
WP7 isn't all chromeless, by the way, and it would really be useful, I think, if somebody tried to create some controls such as buttons, which would fit the design paradigm of WP7 in not trying to be pseudo-real, but be better than just a 3px border around text with variable width...
Overall, I don't see how your design contradicts Metro principles at all. They don't use gradients, true, but these don't create chrome and quite fit into the "authentically digital" doctrine.
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Chrome such as in the use of drop shadows on the tiles. I can't illustrate more because I'm pretty lazy right now. Basically, the main thing I would change is have artificial textures and shadows throughout the interface. Not a drastic change, but doesn't really fit the all digital philosophy. If you see it as not contradicting metro than that's a plus.

This looks really nice, this Chrome Metro.
Changes completely the feel from these flat, bad colours squares
to something more classy and nice.
Interesting if something like that will be available.

Best concept ive seen for wp7, im really digging the white tiles...Great job

Definitely the best concept posted here so far that I've seen, very clean!

OS-wise I saw nothing original in the previous version 'cause for me it was just the default black/blue Metro-look with some gradiant but now I must say I'm really impressed with the new improved design.
The phone itself looks very solid and modern and it fits your B&W Metro UI extremely well. Of course there are some things that could be improved but hey - it's just a concept and since you're more of an advertisement designer you really made a great job. Microsoft and HTC should really see this. It's not as over-the-top as my Sense 3 and a bit of gradiant here and there really makes Metro look a lot better. If you could only add your own wallpaper I would even consider buying this device (and believe me that's a huge complement).
You should send it to HTC. Shubert's still in development so HTC may be interested in your concept.

Very nice, I like the tile work. The black text on light tile is even more readable than their white text on colored. I like the subtle use of shadowing on the tile as well. It really stands out while maintaining the simple yet elegant look.
The phone design itself looks nice...but one thing that I could see coming up is that the size of the capacitive buttons look rather small. I'm generally not a fan of capacitive buttons anyway, but that's a personal issue and not a functional one.

It looks pretty cool.
Having dark text on the light tiles looks awesome, though unfortunately that's impossible: Dark background -> light text on the tiles.

You made pocketnow
http://pocketnow.com/windows-phone/another-sleek-windows-phone-7-prototype

The best endorsement wp7 has ever gotten

This might not only be the best endorsement, but also the best marketing wp7 has gotten so far. Listen closely at the beginning of Noah's review.
http://www.youtube.com/user/jon4lakers?blend=1&ob=4#p/u/2/uMGkfuAu9VM

The comments are looking good too. Looks like next year will be the year of WP.

A guy I work with has the Titan and WP7 is better on a bigger screened phone such as the Titan, I just dont like the Display, colors seemed washed out to me but tiles are huge and seem to fit the OS

I noticed the "All Mail" tile on his phone. how do I get that?

pillsburydoughman said:
I noticed the "All Mail" tile on his phone. how do I get that?
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By linking inboxes. Open up one of your email accounts and then open the bottom menu. There should be an option "link inboxes" or so. Once you've linked inboxes, there's an additional settings that lets you name it.

awesome. thanks!

hey look, technobuffalo has suddenly decided low res screens are a good thing !
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DYmv...5ttX8Wo5sXR0SPkPAlaacYH2jnjNRu4&feature=inbox
interesting developments there.

catch 22 in my reviews
sometimes I like big displays but what detracted me from the titan was the pixilation. It wasn't extremely annoying but (versus the focus s) it was actually a negative for me. Primarily because of what I do on my phone. I read a lot from ebscohost, pubmed, nimh, adobe, and so on. Gaming is fantastic I have to admit for the screen size, but overall I would recommend the titan versus the focus s because the titan screen. Even if it is a double edged sword.

Nav Bar Color Changing Apps & Long Term Burn-In Prevention

We're approaching 2 months since the first Pixel 2 XL's started getting into our hands. We all know there were initial reports of premature screen burn-in from the nav bar on this phone. So immediate prevention tactics started to pop-up, including enabling immersive mode, disabling the nav bar with a build.prop edit, or using custom apps like Navbar Apps and Custom Navigation and Simple Control to simply eliminate all instances of the black nav bar from showing up and replacing it with other color variations such as green, red, white, yellow, blue etc..
I've personally gone the route of disabling the nav bar entirely with a build.prop edit and using Pie Control for my navigation needs. I'm now over a month of usage with the phone on this setup and have absolutely no burn-in. But I must admit that I would prefer the static nav bar because some apps simply won't fill the entire screen, leaving a black bar where the nav bar would normally be and occasionally I'll get stuck in an app because Pie Control won't activate the nav bar pop-out.
However, I will only go back to the static nav bar if I can be 100% sure I can avoid burn-in through the use of a custom nav bar coloring app, listed above. So, with that in mind, I'm looking for the input of others who have used something like Navbar apps to change their nav bar color to be anything but black. How long have you been using a setup like this and do you have any burn-in?

I've been using navbar apps since having gotten this phone. It's been about two months now-ish. I can barely, and by barely I mean BARELY, see the remnants of the navbar line at the bottom. I can't see any of the buttons in it though, I can just barely see the line. Ultimately however, like many have said before, you pretty much have to jump through hoops to see it. It never shows up when I'm viewing photos or watching videos or anything like that. So, even if it's BARELY there when viewing a solid gray wallpaper, it doesn't really bother me much. Also, this could just be image retention. I haven't watch a solid-color, full-screen wallpaper for 10 to 15 minutes to see if it eventually faded away.
Sent from my Pixel 2 XL using XDA Labs

sn0warmy said:
....I will only go back to the static nav bar if I can be 100% sure I can avoid burn-in ....
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Cannot be guaranteed ever, using an amoled screen.

uicnren said:
Cannot be guaranteed ever, using an amoled screen.
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Truth.
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sharkie405 said:
I've been using navbar apps since having gotten this phone. It's been about two months now-ish. I've attached a screenshot with a solid grey wallpapers set as the background. I can barely, and by barely I mean BARELY, see the remnants of the navbar line at the bottom. I can't see any of the buttons in it though, I can just barely see the line. Ultimately however, like many have said before, you pretty much have to jump through hoops to see it. It never shows up when I'm viewing photos or watching videos or anything like that. So, even if it's BARELY there when viewing a wallpaper like this, it doesn't really bother me much. Also, this could just be image retention. I didn't watch the wallpaper for 10 to 15 minutes to see if it eventually faded away.
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You expect us to see burn-in/image retention on a screenshot?

I believe Google is doing more than enough for this overblown issue. They've already update the nav bar to dim, and are slowly changing Google apps to white and gray reversing the colors. Personally I'm happy everyone lost their $#!+ over this as we are finally getting another color for the nav bar than the black we've been looking at for years.

mkouk said:
You expect us to see burn-in/image retention on a screenshot?
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Oh, I didn't realize that you couldn't. Oh well. I'm certainly not going through all the hassle of taking a photo with some other device and all that.
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uicnren said:
Cannot be guaranteed ever, using an amoled screen.
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Agreed, but if you can take actions to prevent it for as long as possible, why not do that?
AndrasLOHF said:
I believe Google is doing more than enough for this overblown issue. They've already update the nav bar to dim, and are slowly changing Google apps to white and gray reversing the colors. Personally I'm happy everyone lost their $#!+ over this as we are finally getting another color for the nav bar than the black we've been looking at for years.
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I'll agree that the blue shift is definitely an overblown issue but this premature burn-in is not. My 6 month old S8 doesn't have any sign of it and neither does my 2 month old V30. At this point it's no secret that the 2 XL screen is subpar and for the price point that is a serious issue and is not overblown. Don't get me wrong, it's great that the Google apps are being updated. But honestly, what percentage of the apps you use for long periods on daily basis are Google created apps? In my case it's a small percentage. It will be a while (if ever) that all Play Store apps eliminate the black nav bar with white buttons. I'm not waiting around for that.
I don't mean to create a big argument over the burn-in issue. There are already plenty of threads about it. The moral of the story is that sharkie's post alone is enough for me to stick with disabling the nav-bar by editing the build.prop and using pop-out pie controls. I'm over a month with the phone and absolutely no burn-in with this method so I'll continue to stick with it. Minimal or not, if I can avoid it for as long as possible, I will.

sn0warmy said:
Agreed, but if you can take actions to prevent it for as long as possible, why not do that?
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Because, I buy a device to work for me, not the other way around.
If I need to take precautions, then the device would be returned, regardless of price.
If you are willing to compromise how you use the device, then thats fine, more power to you, I personally won't.
Just out of curiosity, after the first couple of weeks the phone was out, how many posts/blogs/articles about burn-in have you seen since then?

uicnren said:
Because, I buy a device to work for me, not the other way around.
If I need to take precautions, then the device would be returned, regardless of price.
If you are willing to compromise how you use the device, then thats fine, more power to you, I personally won't.
Just out of curiosity, after the first couple of weeks the phone was out, how many posts/blogs/articles about burn-in have you seen since then?
Today 10:20 AM
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Fair points. Little to no posts/blogs/articles after the first couple of weeks. Part of that could be due to the topic already being covered enough and any additional coverage would just be kicking a dead horse. But it could also just be that people stopped caring.
Admittedly, I'd prefer to not have to utilize a work-around, which I mentioned in my first post. But if I can prevent it with a slight compromise (which also gives me some more screen real estate) then I'll continue to do so.

sn0warmy said:
...Part of that could be due to the topic already being covered enough and any additional coverage would just be kicking a dead horse. But it could also just be that people stopped caring...
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Or maybe its just not an issue anymore?
Personally with ALL of the talk about it, I only saw about 7 or 8 (unfortunately they seemed to be popular bloggers/vloggers) actual individual people who actually had burn-in, and a few here on XDA who may also have said they had it. The rest were just parroting, or simply adding fuel to the fire (or blogging about it to garner clicks).
Anecdotal evidence to say the least, but to me, thats an insanely small number that actually had the issue.
Personally I saw many more posts that people did NOT have it, than I did that DID/DO have it.
I think it is funny however, while talking about this, just haw many people who said it was bad because it was a $1000 phone, but they could look past it, if it was $500, which to me is insane, bad is bad!

uicnren said:
Or maybe its just not an issue anymore?
Personally with ALL of the talk about it, I only saw about 7 or 8 (unfortunately they seemed to be popular bloggers/vloggers) actual individual people who actually had burn-in, and a few here on XDA who may also have said they had it. The rest were just parroting, or simply adding fuel to the fire (or blogging about it to garner clicks).
Anecdotal evidence to say the least, but to me, thats an insanely small number that actually had the issue.
Personally I saw many more posts that people did NOT have it, than I did that DID/DO have it.
I think it is funny however, while talking about this, just haw many people who said it was bad because it was a $1000 phone, but they could look past it, if it was $500, which to me is insane, bad is bad!
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In addition, I think it's only fair to point out that I've given exactly 0% of my time in trying to avoid burn-in with the status bar area which has plenty of instances of black background and white icons. However, in looking closely for screen burn-in on the screen, I've found absolutely no burn-in in the status bar area either, indicating that what you are saying could be completely true in that it really is not an issue. Now I'm starting to wonder if some people really did just get unlucky with bad screens.
Maybe at some point I'll stop caring and just switch back to stock nav bar and see what happens, but for now I'll stick with Pie Controls.

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In addition, I think it's only fair to point out that I've given exactly 0% of my time in trying to avoid burn-in with the status bar area which has plenty of instances of black background and white icons. However, in looking closely for screen burn-in on the screen, I've found absolutely no burn-in in the status bar area either, indicating that what you are saying could be completely true in that it really is not an issue. Now I'm starting to wonder if some people really did just get unlucky with bad screens.
Maybe at some point I'll stop caring and just switch back to stock nav bar and see what happens, but for now I'll stick with Pie Controls.
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Im not saying its not an issue at all, clearly there are some people who did have it. In my small view of the over-all, it appears to me that it was mostly people who got early review units, and an even smaller number of the general public.
Maybe they got units that were used for burn-in testing? I have no clue if thats the case, but there were people who actually got phones with no OS installed at all, so its not entirely out of the realm of possibility.
I haven't seen anything new to indicate to me that its an on-going issue, thats more my point Im trying to make. After the initial reports, its gone silent.
Anyway, enjoy your device!

With regard to viewing navbar apps as a workaround, I didn't install it as a workaround or preventive measure, I installed it because I like having a dynamic navbar. And every device I've had before this I would always modify the framework-res.apk to have the dynamic navbar more naturally, but we're not yet able to mod framework-res.apk on the pixel 2 XL, so I had to settle for a third party app. Dynamic navbar has always looks cooler, but it is especially looks cool on the pixel 2XL because it allows the bottom curve of the screen to be seen, whereas having a black navbar makes the screen look like it's not curved at the bottom. Just my two cents.
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General Initial impressions

Got my Sunny Yellow one delivered this morning so been playing with it most of the day. Initial impressions are very good, some are listed below. Feel free to list your own.
The fingerprint scanner was a little off but after an update came in i deleted my fingerprints and re-did them and its been fine ever since. Couple of times it hasnt worked but i think thats because the screen is so smooth/slippery that my thumb slipped on the screen as it was trying to read it.
I dont have a 5g plan or even 5g signal where i am to test but so far 4g speeds are exactly the same as my pixel 2xl and oppo reno 2 ive come from.
I dont really like having the "internet" tile, id prefer having them seperate the wifi and mobile data tab. Just seems strange to add a further click to enable/disable wifi when i want to instead of just hitting the tab.
On the home screen if you make a folder then the apps slightly overhang the edge of the circle which just looks odd to me, i wish they were all within the folder.
I wish there was an option of disabling the big clock on the lock screen. I have a picture of my partner on my lock screen and when picking up the phone id rather see her than her face covered by a huge clock
The phone got very hot when setting up and transferring apps/data from my old phone but has been fine since.
I love the screen and how smooth everything flows. I dont see any issue with brightness personally. Ill see how battery life performs over the coming days

Hollow screen sound is a bit strange
Nova launcher crashes which is a shame because I don't like the search bar forced at the bottom of the screen on the pixel launcher.
Camera is brilliant
Power button is in the wrong place and should be swapped with the volume buttons is.
Lack of screen protectors available to get delivered is frustrating but not Google's issue.
It's fast, smooth and had a great camera. The rest I am still get used to. Prefer it to my S21 ultra, maybe not loving it as much as my Mi 10 Pro.

The camera hump on the back really exposes the glass to potential damage. If I were designing the thing, I'd make the entire back stick out higher than the camera glass, and fill in the space with more battery.
The rounded edge screen is pretty terrible. There are optical distortions along the sides. The radius of the edge should be reduced to around 1 mm.
A little more width on the screen would be nice. This is 71.5mm. Nexus 6 was 74, which was a lot nicer. 80 would be a dream.
A little bit of border around the screen would also be nice so you have somewhere to actually hold the thing. Function should be paramount, not form, and especially not goofy/ugly form like these have. A bit of border above the screen would make space to get the camera out of the screen instead of the ugly hole. I also hate the rounded corners on the screen. Software rounded corners are ok, because you can disable them, there is no reason to force it with paint on the inside surface of the glass.

96carboard said:
The camera hump on the back really exposes the glass to potential damage. If I were designing the thing, I'd make the entire back stick out higher than the camera glass, and fill in the space with more battery.
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feel the same way with filling up the space with more battery... but then you have ppl complaining about how fat the phone is

Love it so far, so fast and fluid. As mentioned above it gets real hot, and was still discharging while using old pixel charger.
Camera is amazing the details captured are stunning.
Phone is very slippery to hold and would be easy to drop with the top weight of the camera hump. Tried to buy a case for grip and protection, and was told that they can until tomorrow because that was the day the phone was supposed to be delivered, but because of our crap postal service they sent a day early so that people would or should get them by that date
Real time translation works very well, even with the new update still seems a little buggy
Screen for me is fine for brightness I have high brightness mode widget and it is much brighter than the 4xl
I could buy pixel charger which I might take back because it doesn't seem to charge an faster.
My wireless car charger for the pixel 4xl charges this phone at about the same speed as the old wall charger, need to see if it throttles for heat though..

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feel the same way with filling up the space with more battery... but then you have ppl complaining about how fat the phone is
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I agree, but it also would be heavy

This is concerning "Nova launcher crashes which is a shame because I don't like the search bar forced at the bottom of the screen on the pixel launcher." Hopefully there will be an update to Nova soon.
All the negative feedback on the rounded edges are making me consider the Pixel 6 versus the Pro. I think the base RAM on the 6 is fine. Giving up the Zoom is tougher to consider.

danw_oz said:
I agree, but it also would be heavy
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There as a day when heavy meant PREMIUM and light meant junk.
My laptop (lenovo), not even old, actually had some weights added into it to make it feel more substantial.
And so what if its a little heavier as long as it isn't burdensome. You can easily carry around several pounds without it being burdensome.

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This is concerning "Nova launcher crashes which is a shame because I don't like the search bar forced at the bottom of the screen on the pixel launcher." Hopefully there will be an update to Nova soon.
All the negative feedback on the rounded edges are making me consider the Pixel 6 versus the Pro. I think the base RAM on the 6 is fine. Giving up the Zoom is tougher to consider.
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If you were referring to the rounded CORNERS, there will be kind-of software solutions for the rounded corners. Right now you can run "wm size 1440x2890" to reduce the display area (persistently). This brings the display area past the camera hole and past the rounded corners. Now normally, there would be a system property available to adjust the corners, however this one has multi-radius corners which are set in a config for systemui, therefore will actually require a rebuild from source to fix, but once that is unset, it should have square corners.
However the side effect of course, will be a slightly smaller display area. Still wider than the non-Pro, but less than it is now. Not that you need all that height for any practical purpose.
And for that matter, you could use the same "wm size" command to reduce the display width to work around the rounded edges. "wm size 1300x3120" pulls the display area all the way into the flat part and eliminates the optical distortions. You could probably establish a better balance that lets it in just a little bit and probably gives the same width as the non-Pro.

ozzjim1 said:
Hollow screen sound is a bit strange
Nova launcher crashes which is a shame because I don't like the search bar forced at the bottom of the screen on the pixel launcher.
Camera is brilliant
Power button is in the wrong place and should be swapped with the volume buttons is.
Lack of screen protectors available to get delivered is frustrating but not Google's issue.
It's fast, smooth and had a great camera. The rest I am still get used to. Prefer it to my S21 ultra, maybe not loving it as much as my Mi 10 Pro.
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Nova Launcher was crashing for me but it seemed to be a clock widget I had previously and it wasn't displaying it.
I deleted the widget and rebooted the phone and it has been perfect since and all day today.
My screen now looks like my 3XL only longer, faster, smoother

I can't find a was to Turn off Always on Display. Ist ist me, or isn't there an option?

Thanks for the tip on Nova, might rebuild my screen from scratch with it too ID the issue. The pixel launcher without some custom apps and grid sizes is a bit of a jarring experience. Search at the bottom is all wrong too.

magooo said:
I can't find a was to Turn off Always on Display. Ist ist me, or isn't there an option?
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settings, display, lock screen, turn off "always show time and info"

danw_oz said:
Screen for me is fine for brightness I have high brightness mode widget and it is much brighter than the 4xl
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Whoa! There's such a thing? Please, the name of it.

Not sure what is up with my unit but it as buggy as hell
Not impressed so far if I am honest

Keith W said:
Not sure what is up with my unit but it as buggy as hell
Not impressed so far if I am honest
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Have you gotten the small 70 MB Android update yet? Mine was buggy with Nova Launcher Prime, in particular, but after the update, all good.
I like the fingerprint reader better than the ultrasonic in my Note 10+. It's working much better and faster for me so far. Here's hoping that stays true.

Keith W said:
Not sure what is up with my unit but it as buggy as hell
Not impressed so far if I am honest
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id suggest resetting then. Working fine for most people

Keith W said:
Not sure what is up with my unit but it as buggy as hell
Not impressed so far if I am honest
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Could you describe what you mean by "buggy as hell"?

wekebu said:
Whoa! There's such a thing? Please, the name of it.
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Search play for high brightness mode or HBM software by @flar2 an amazing kernal and software developer

According to Goggle I have a defective unit and they are going to swap it out