I enjoy using WM6 on my HTC Touch but my problem has always been the physical size of the screen. Even with a VGA screen like the Glofiish phones the 2.8inch screen still falls short. Especially for on screen keyboards. And web browsing.
Having seen the recent releases of devices such as the Iphone, Nokia 810, Samsung F490, LG Viewiety. While we may have our own opinions about these devices, im sure that if WM was running on devices with decent 3-4 inch screens such as what is being offered, WM6 would be a better experience.
Then that got me thinking and i accept i'm opening myself to attack here, but what prevents us taking a samsung F490 or a LG Viewiety or a good mobile that has good screen & processor and flashing it with a WM6 rom?
I know there's alot more to it, but in my inexperienced view, a mobile phone is just hardware & software.
Has anyone heard of OS swapping with mobile devices? How would one have to go about it? What factors would have to be considered?
If there are any links on the subject i'd be quite interested.
Thanks
a rom require specielt drivers for all the hardware present in a phone without them the rom will never boot at all
a rom require a spc addressable space for it's bootloader and the rom itself
if the hardware chipselect model the mem in any other way the rom will never boot
for these reason it require time and access to devices and tools not widely avalible to make a rom for a device
and current version of wm only support ARM cpu all other supported cpu's was drop'd with pocketpc2000
Thanks for the feedback. That gave me a little more understanding.
I hear the iphone uses a 700Mhz ARM Chip and i did think it would be funny if it did run WM6 like you can run vista on a intel mac.
One can but dream.lol!
For now Roll on Sony Ericsson!
and one more reason is that unlike the operating systems running on our pcs installs itself according to the hardware config (e.g max screen resolution) but windows mobile devices are made in a way to be compatible with operating system.
just like wm6 has no chance on a magician.
I didn't realize that, but it makes sense. Maybe in WM7 they will address this providing a more flexible environment? I can see how it can restrict phone manufactures who want to offer more.
wm7 is going to be dual touch sensitive like iphone where we can touch the screen at two places for some functions. this is one of the reason present devices running on wm6 will hardly support wm7.
Check out this UI for the meizu phone..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eq_qk4Rxn-0
It is running on windows mobile.
Will it be possible to port the code to HD?
http://www.meizume.com/m8-firmware/7812-m8-firmware-0-9-0-0-a.html
Probably possible - but difficult. The M8 uses only the Windows CE6 core, not Windows Mobile itself (which is still based on the crappy CE5 core). What Meizu did is take the good CE6 core and build a nice interface onto it.
This is exactly what Microsoft, HTC and all the other manufacturers should have done long time ago. Get rid of WM6 and its crappy CE5 core and build a new system on top of CE6.
Windows Mobile has both a crappy core and a crappy interface. I can't understand why Microsoft still has not built a new interface onto CE6, which was already released two-three years ago. That would've been easy but they just didn't care about Windows Mobile for another two years and let HTC and others do the work of replacing the WM interface - which is hard because there's always the crappy WM interface underneath.
The Meizu system is a bit like what Windows Mobile 7 will be - better core, nice interface. But Windows Mobile 7 is coming two years too late.
Anyway...
I suggest you do a Meizu M8 skin for iContact/PocketMusic/Resco Explorer/ThumbCal/Wisbar Advance Desktop and others in the meantime. Then replace the default Windows Mobile applications with these programs and voilà...
And make a finger-friendly alternative to Outlook...
And get rid of TouchFlo scrolling and implement the Windows Mobile 6.5 scrolling/zooming engine.
katolo said:
Check out this UI for the meizu phone..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eq_qk4Rxn-0
It is running on windows mobile.
Will it be possible to port the code to HD?
http://www.meizume.com/m8-firmware/7812-m8-firmware-0-9-0-0-a.html
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Probably possible - but difficult. The M8 uses only the Windows CE6 core, not Windows Mobile itself (which is still based on the crappy CE5 core). What Meizu did is take the good CE6 core and build a nice interface onto it.
This is exactly what Microsoft, HTC and all the other manufacturers should have done long time ago. Get rid of WM6 and its crappy CE5 core and build a new system on top of CE6.
Windows Mobile has both a crappy core and a crappy interface. I can't understand why Microsoft still has not built a new interface onto CE6, which was already released two-three years ago. That would've been easy but they just didn't care about Windows Mobile for another two years and let HTC and others do the work of replacing the WM interface - which is hard because there's always the crappy WM interface underneath.
The Meizu system is a bit like what Windows Mobile 7 will be - better core, nice interface. But Windows Mobile 7 is coming two years too late.
Anyway...
I suggest you do a Meizu M8 skin for iContact/PocketMusic/Resco Explorer/ThumbCal/Wisbar Advance Desktop and others in the meantime. Then replace the default Windows Mobile applications with these programs and voilà...
And make a finger-friendly alternative to Outlook...
And get rid of TouchFlo scrolling and implement the Windows Mobile 6.5 scrolling/zooming engine.
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This maybe possible but you would need to shift everything around to make it Windows CE 6.0 compatible. I was looking into doing a project like this after building a ROM or two for my phone. Anyone up for a group project?
The project have been started?
i guess the music quality will be really good in this phone
MEIZU are well known about their good sound quality (i own the M6 MP4)
this going to be a really nice phone i think
At a net price around 325 euros during instant sale on the bay if the seller is in a good mood, and delivery ex Hamburg, it might be tempting to buy one... Just a pity there is no 3G, guess I wait for the M9
http://bit.ly/2nCJ3X
no G3??!
thats bad...too bad!
is this meizu m8 port to HTC blackstone possible?
I was digging over internet , may is a ported win xp image for ours Diamonds, but ... nothing. Maybe I was not so good to search ... and someone know?
Tnk s.
Your kindness MadQueen.
I think there is no xp port for diamond(because the specs of the device itself)
CMIIW
see if you can get a virtual machine for the mobile processor architecture. then emulate an x86 processor and load XP in that.
i'll tell you though it wont be a full xp. and it will be slower than a slow thing.
There are currently no versions of Windows XP which run on the ARM processor, and as recently as 6 weeks ago Microsoft wouldn't comment on any plans to ever do one (see this article http://www.thestandard.com/news/2009/03/13/3-reasons-microsoft-shouldnt-port-windows-arm-processor).
Even if they did, RAM requirements and the amount of disk writes the OS naturally does would make the Diamond REALLY work to offer even a mediocre performance standard.
On the subject of emulation....seriously???? I promise you, you're talking about taking a pretty advanced instruction set (x86) and running it on the arm processor (comparatively a child). It's easy to emulate current ARM processing on your current x86 processor, but it doesn't go the other way. I think I have read that some people have done this on some more powerful test hardware before, but the start-up time alone on your phone will be measured in hours, not minutes. If you seriously think this is worth trying, it's theoretically possible today by loading an ARM-compiled version of linux onto the phone (I seem to remember reading a thread about this a while back) and running something like virtualbox to emulate windows. In 6 months, after the install onto the memory card is complete (remember, phone memory alone will certainly be too small), let me know if it starts.
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I was digging over internet , may is a ported win xp image for ours Diamonds, but ... nothing. Maybe I was not so good to search ... and someone know?
Tnk s.
Your kindness MadQueen.
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forget wm and buy the viliv s5
i have heard that win98 is working fine on diamond,i would love to check that but i dont know how!
benko286 said:
i have heard that win98 is working fine on diamond,i would love to check that but i dont know how!
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LOL. This was 1st of aprils joke)))
Well it is April but not the 1st.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=362344
Dear All,
Can we expect that in future we will have the ROM of win7 for Excalibure?
Thanks
Little something to read regards HD2
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=5351524&postcount=1
As you will see windows mobile 7 hasn't even been developed...
And considering the new phones will only be supported since processors and amount of RAM has changed substantially since the Excalibur, we will probably never see it running on our old beloved devices...
stylez said:
Little something to read regards HD2
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=5351524&postcount=1
As you will see windows mobile 7 hasn't even been developed...
And considering the new phones will only be supported since processors and amount of RAM has changed substantially since the Excalibur, we will probably never see it running on our old beloved devices...
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I hear you!, even though the Dash is still an awesome device, it will be more like a touch pro 2 , or a different new device that will have the 7.0, shoot M$ just released 6.5 not even 4 or 5 months ago, I'm sure it will be a while and, we'll have a beta version of the 7 way before it will be released.
stylez said:
Little something to read regards HD2
As you will see windows mobile 7 hasn't even been developed...
And considering the new phones will only be supported since processors and amount of RAM has changed substantially since the Excalibur, we will probably never see it running on our old beloved devices...
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never say never. we've seen how programmers and cooks have taken windows xp and customized it into usable os's for low end pc's. tiny xp being just one example of this.
so i have full confidence that our cooks here can create a recipe that will be usable on our excaliburs. good luck guys.
I hate to be a downer, but with under 100 MB of ram (68 MB I believe, most of which is used already by the OS and other functions, leaving the user with around 20 MB) and a very small ROM size (newer OS = more space taken) AND a processor clocking in at no more than 250 Mhz OVERCLOCKED, it doesn't seem possible for a Windows 7 ROM to run on our beloved phones.
Notice how with every new OS, the space requirements go up and up (this applies to all devices) whereas XP used somewhere around 6GB I believe and 7 now uses up to 17GB ... If Win7 Mobile proves to be a GREAT (and I mean phenomenal) OS, then there is the chance, but I wouldn't get hopes up too high [especially since our Excaliburs are becoming yesterday's model and chefs are scarce in these parts].
you do relise the newq os takes less space then old xp right? the old xp is so bloated now with updates that if they can slim it down they can slim down win 7 not to mention there is a starter version of 7 made for netbooks, however even the full version runs well on my small netbook, and it has only 1 gig total ram. infact im typing this on my win7 home premium netbook right now.
after a bit of googling i realized you're probably right. the specs required for the new windows mobile 7 OS as reported, will be too much for the excalibur to handle. i still think there are people that could size it down but it would be a job for sure. you'd still need to have those core windows system files.... but as with other OS' they always include bloatware that can be removed to improve functionality. guess we'll have to wait and see...
on the plus side, there is a work in progress attempting to port the new android OS over to the excalibur. it is based on a linux kernal. from what i've read it's bootable but they still have some work to do on it. more on that can be read about here...
forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=435934
this will probably be my future OS for this phone when they get it to a workable beta stage. hopefully soon
update: work continued here... vvv.sourceforge.net/apps/trac/wing-linux/wiki
sorry to hijack btw
Cyclonezephyrxz7 said:
I hate to be a downer, but with under 100 MB of ram (68 MB I believe, most of which is used already by the OS and other functions, leaving the user with around 20 MB) and a very small ROM size (newer OS = more space taken) AND a processor clocking in at no more than 250 Mhz OVERCLOCKED, it doesn't seem possible for a Windows 7 ROM to run on our beloved phones.
Notice how with every new OS, the space requirements go up and up (this applies to all devices) whereas XP used somewhere around 6GB I believe and 7 now uses up to 17GB ... If Win7 Mobile proves to be a GREAT (and I mean phenomenal) OS, then there is the chance, but I wouldn't get hopes up too high [especially since our Excaliburs are becoming yesterday's model and chefs are scarce in these parts].
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stylez said:
Little something to read regards HD2
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=5351524&postcount=1
As you will see windows mobile 7 hasn't even been developed...
And considering the new phones will only be supported since processors and amount of RAM has changed substantially since the Excalibur, we will probably never see it running on our old beloved devices...
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youngdaddytc said:
after a bit of googling i realized you're probably right. the specs required for the new windows mobile 7 OS as reported, will be too much for the excalibur to handle. i still think there are people that could size it down but it would be a job for sure. you'd still need to have those core windows system files.... but as with other OS' they always include bloatware that can be removed to improve functionality. guess we'll have to wait and see...
on the plus side, there is a work in progress attempting to port the new android OS over to the excalibur. it is based on a linux kernal. from what i've read it's bootable but they still have some work to do on it. more on that can be read about here...
forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=435934
this will probably be my future OS for this phone when they get it to a workable beta stage. hopefully soon
update: work continued here... vvvv,//sourceforge.net/apps/trac/wing-linux/wiki
sorry to hijack btw
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How do u think about this video? this device is like HTC Elf which has only 64MB of RAM and 200 MHz of CPU.
Anyways, i hope Windows Mobile 7 can be similar to Windows 7 that can run faster event 1GB of RAM if we compare with Vista.
i think as a company, microsofts target market is the user with a newer smartphone/ppc. i wouldnt be surprised if they had some deal with the cell phone makers that requires you to have to buy a new cell phone to be able to use the newer OS. however, i still hold out hope that the hackers will break down the Mobile OS itself and get it running like a pro.
vid still looks nice though. the date on the upload was 2008 so im sure there has been much work on it since then. beta testing anyone?
youngdaddytc said:
i think as a company, microsofts target market is the user with a newer smartphone/ppc. i wouldnt be surprised if they had some deal with the cell phone makers that requires you to have to buy a new cell phone to be able to use the newer OS. however, i still hold out hope that the hackers will break down the Mobile OS itself and get it running like a pro.
vid still looks nice though. the date on the upload was 2008 so im sure there has been much work on it since then. beta testing anyone?
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I agree that M$ will require the user to buy new phone with new OS but here, xda site, is ROM testing place before the final product is out on the market.
dolphinxda said:
How do u think about this video? this device is like HTC Elf which has only 64MB of RAM and 200 MHz of CPU.
Anyways, i hope Windows Mobile 7 can be similar to Windows 7 that can run faster event 1GB of RAM if we compare with Vista.
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I think that a 201MHz CPU /64MB RAM device is more than capable of running WAD Since they can run M2D fine
Info:
Device: HTC Touch (elf)
Skin name: Windows Mobile 7 i3
(i3 = 3 interface)
Skin version: QVGA
Used: WAD2 and WA3
Created by: Bornotty[me] (from scratch of Port'n V2)
Release date: Soon!
its got the 3 different interfaces for your device at one skin, now you can switch by your mood and never get bored with it.
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sorry for the bad video quality ^_^
Based on Port'n V2 by enCOre special thanx to somjait for converting it into qvga
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Haha Stylez, I was just about to comment on that video.
Regarding the user who mentioned that Win7 is smaller than XP, I would like you to double-check that, or maybe check it for the first time, becuase I am more than 99% sure that due to the immense amount of Hardware Acceleration and other optimizational code in the Win7 core, the size of it is larger than XP. You can see this also by the fact that Win7 asks if you want to make a partition for the OS alone (which turns out to be 16-17GB) while XP (which I have installed on my own HDD) takes up no more than 18GB on my 75GB HDD and that is with all my usual apps installed (3Ds Max, Visual Studio (Full), Adobe suite ALTERNATIVES, Firewall/AV, plus all the other random freeware I tend to install for the heck of it) [I estimated around 6-7 because of the apps installed]...Also realize that the hacked XP (coined MiniXP) fits on a CD, so OBVIOUSLY there was enough to take out that it could shrink down immensely and still keep its functions... So i am pretty sure than XP doesn't take too much space...
SEMI-EDIT:: I left this window open and forgot to post, so i googled the size of an XP installation...refer to http://www.computing.net/answers/windows-xp/size-of-xp-install/154115.html where people claim to install XP with only 1.5GB of HDD....i think that settles that...
Cyclonezephyrxz7 said:
Haha Stylez, I was just about to comment on that video.
Regarding the user who mentioned that Win7 is smaller than XP, I would like you to double-check that, or maybe check it for the first time, becuase I am more than 99% sure that due to the immense amount of Hardware Acceleration and other optimizational code in the Win7 core, the size of it is larger than XP. You can see this also by the fact that Win7 asks if you want to make a partition for the OS alone (which turns out to be 16-17GB) while XP (which I have installed on my own HDD) takes up no more than 18GB on my 75GB HDD and that is with all my usual apps installed (3Ds Max, Visual Studio (Full), Adobe suite ALTERNATIVES, Firewall/AV, plus all the other random freeware I tend to install for the heck of it) [I estimated around 6-7 because of the apps installed]...Also realize that the hacked XP (coined MiniXP) fits on a CD, so OBVIOUSLY there was enough to take out that it could shrink down immensely and still keep its functions... So i am pretty sure than XP doesn't take too much space...
SEMI-EDIT:: I left this window open and forgot to post, so i googled the size of an XP installation...refer to http://www.computing.net/answers/windows-xp/size-of-xp-install/154115.html where people claim to install XP with only 1.5GB of HDD....i think that settles that...
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lol spot on all you need to do is notice XP Pro comes on CD & Windows 7 on DVD.. There is a reason for that
Also my XP Pro SP3 Slipstream comes in @ 1.3GB after i remove the page file "solidstate disk" so 3.3GB before
Windows 7 comes in from 5.5GB+
I don't think that it will ever get to run on the dash, just because all of the animation, interfaces, plugin's, and all the ram that's gonna be needed for newer OS's.
I'm only speaking my opinion, but aren't almost all new Win Mo devices coming out with touch screens. I think if there was any older device that would get a version of WM 7 will be the Htc Tilt/Kaiser that has 112mb storage and 101mb ram, or the Htc Fuze/Raphael that has even more, around 294mb storage and 187mb ram.
I think that it would be awesome if someone would have that much skills to make it happen but, like TouchFLO on dash never happened, Android has been on the works since october 2008 and still hasn't happened.
But anyways who knows!
I just found this vid about WinMo7 .http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hAVg2z-SCw4&feature=related
found a very recent report on it, read up! http://wmpoweruser.com/?p=12237
Also read this thread, I think Fuze has more of a chance on getting this. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=618567
roloracer said:
found a very recent report on it, read up! http://wmpoweruser.com/?p=12237
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All speculation we have very well informed user that is stating it's based on Ce Os 7
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=620477
Think the Kaiser will be left behind due to the lack of storage space and also think accelerometer gyrator going to come into play alot more with WM7 from what been reading.
But like i say all speculation, one thing i can say is the Excalibur won't as it's just too slow too small "not regards size" and it's turned out that HTC now are really a PPC adventure even though they have SP's still in the market place....
Oh i love speculation but is till have an extra kidney if need to place bets
Oh 1 more time speculation
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Oh 1 more time speculation
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Yep, speculation!
Hey Stylez! check out the youtube video I posted, and take a look at the phone the chick has running WM7 on the 1 minute and 14 second mark..
roloracer said:
Yep, speculation!
Hey Stylez! check out the youtube video I posted, and take a look at the phone the chick has running WM7 on the 1 minute and 14 second mark..
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Eazy roloracer,
Yeah it's an advert future concept cloud network. But i can see the likely hood of porting since it's still very well specked and people are stating the snapdragon doesn't add an amazing amount of difference in feel from the Qualcomm MSM750xx, but we will all have to wait and see.
Good ol speculation
keepin the fingers crossed
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keepin the fingers crossed
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Keep more than your fingers crossed "it's not going to happen if you look @ all the videos floating around it's highly gui intensive" unless they bring out a version for SP that can work on very old equipment to which considering all SP's are now about 500MHz and have far more storage & RAM it's highly unlikely...
Anyone been experimenting with porting WM7 core onto a BA?
Stevemann said:
Anyone been experimenting with porting WM7 core onto a BA?
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no one tries to port WM7 on blue angel because of hardware incompatibilities !!
minimum requirement of WM7 : ARMv7 processor, the display must support HVGA, as well as memory and etc
Mate, porting WM7 to the BA is like slamming Vista into a 386. It possible, but then again its also possible to jump off a cliff with an umbrella like in Disney movies. You might survive, but they chances are very, very, very slim.
So Froyo it is then...
if Froyo it allows work on HTC BlueAngel and is still in early stages of development by d-two ~ http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=938512
WP7... naaah. it wont work. you need a snap dragon proceser, capacative screen, lots of ram. it never going to happen also WP7 is not as good as wp6.5 in my opinion
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... also WP7 is not as good as wp6.5 in my opinion
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I have to agree with you there
I'm sure everyone will agree. Well of course except everyone running Windows Phone 7